Barks has described "Mythtic Mystery" (US 34), as "a 16-pager of Uncle
Scrooge and the ducks getting blown into Valhalla (a wandering small
planet that strays into the earth's shadow). This Valhalla is peopled
by dog-faces named Thor, Odin, and other names common to the Norse Gods.
Also Vulcan, Jupiter, Venus, and the Latin Gods names. You'll have to
read Uncle Scrooge #34 to see how I explain away such mythical anomalies
with scientifically provable hogwash. As Louie expresses it: "Another of
childhood's cherished illusions reduced to so many nuts and bolts.""
(December 30, 1960 letter to Malcom Willits.)
Well, Louie didn't express that in the story at all, after it had been
grinded to pieces. As far as I know, the small quote could be the only
left-over of the story as originally intended.
In a March 24, 1961 letter to a Malcolm Willits, Barks wrote: "In the
Valhalla story, the cuts were scattered around, but totalled the
equivalent of 16 panels. My chin hit my knees when I saw that big
half-page stupender I did of Thor and Vulcan and a nephew riding above
the busiest street corner in Duckburg in the golden chariot missing.
Thor's horses terrified, thousands (at least) of people gaping upward
in disbelief. Autos bumper-to-bumper, smoking, clanking. In short,
I gave Vulcan something to be scared about. All wasted effort."
Besides the loss of what Barks has called "the most complicated drawing
I ever did", the damage to the plot line must have angered him. Concerned
as he was to balance fantasy with science, Barks would have taken care
to explain the crucial detail of the "unmagic stone hammer." In its
truncated form, the story gives no explanation. The hammer simply appears
and solves everybody's problems.
BTW. I guess the half-page overview was cut down to a standard-sized panel.
Panel 13.5, to be exactly. The caption and the balloons look remounted.
My eyes hurt, looking at the cuts and apparent mix-ups of story points.
I have put an unfinished investigation of the story at:
http://www.seriesam.com/barks/detc_us0034-01.html
If only I could get myself together enough to finish it.
--- Dani?l
"Asleep in the DEEP!"
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Daniel Van Eijmeren
Mythtic Mystery (US 34) - short explanation
Message 31 -
2003-09-02 at 07:34:27
Shad Z.
Disney Witches revisited
Message 32 -
2003-09-02 at 09:58:07
From: Rich Bellacera <xephyr at cwnet.com>
>
> I'm taking inventory of Disney's witches and hopefully some of you can clarify a
> few points for me.
>
> 4) Witch-Queen from Snow White
> Another witch typically encountered in Forest-related stories.
> Always evil. Not much used these days.
Whenever she appears in comics, she's wearing her "old crone"
disguise from the end of the movie (at least, in all the comics
stories I've seen her in, except for actual adaptations of the
movie). Why is that?
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> I'm taking inventory of Disney's witches and hopefully some of you can clarify a
> few points for me.
>
> 4) Witch-Queen from Snow White
> Another witch typically encountered in Forest-related stories.
> Always evil. Not much used these days.
Whenever she appears in comics, she's wearing her "old crone"
disguise from the end of the movie (at least, in all the comics
stories I've seen her in, except for actual adaptations of the
movie). Why is that?
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Disney Witches revisited
Message 33 -
2003-09-02 at 10:22:32
From: Rich Bellacera <xephyr at cwnet.com>
>
> Speaking of which... (hahahahaa... I made a funny)...
> I was in the local Disney Store yesterday picking
> up my copy of the pre-paid for STITCH: THE MOVIE
>(which was wonderful), and I noticed the store was
> selling POWER RANGERS toys... Huh??? Did Disney buy Bandai?
No, but Disney did buy Bandai's American Power Ranger partner,
Saban. It was a side-effect of their buying the Fox Family
Channel. Disney quickly disolved Saban and formed
two independent companies (made up of former Saban employees)
to continue making (as contractors for Disney) the only two
Saban shows that they thought worth keeping: Power Rangers and
Digimon.
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> Speaking of which... (hahahahaa... I made a funny)...
> I was in the local Disney Store yesterday picking
> up my copy of the pre-paid for STITCH: THE MOVIE
>(which was wonderful), and I noticed the store was
> selling POWER RANGERS toys... Huh??? Did Disney buy Bandai?
No, but Disney did buy Bandai's American Power Ranger partner,
Saban. It was a side-effect of their buying the Fox Family
Channel. Disney quickly disolved Saban and formed
two independent companies (made up of former Saban employees)
to continue making (as contractors for Disney) the only two
Saban shows that they thought worth keeping: Power Rangers and
Digimon.
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Kriton Kyrimis
Land Beneath the Ground / Cord's return
Message 34 -
2003-09-02 at 10:42:32
DANIEL:
> P.S. Release Kriton! Sign the petition! Buy "Release Kriton!" shirts,
> so we buy some flowers to cheer him up in that moldy jail!
It's not that bad in here; after all, they're letting me keep the complete
Gottfredson edition that I brought from the future. By the time I've finished
reading it, I'll be out. The food is great, too; I'm beginning to develop a
taste for prunes.
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
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an open mind someone always tries to come along and put something in it."
-----
> P.S. Release Kriton! Sign the petition! Buy "Release Kriton!" shirts,
> so we buy some flowers to cheer him up in that moldy jail!
It's not that bad in here; after all, they're letting me keep the complete
Gottfredson edition that I brought from the future. By the time I've finished
reading it, I'll be out. The food is great, too; I'm beginning to develop a
taste for prunes.
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
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DCML Digest Issue 77
Message 35 -
2003-09-02 at 10:49:45
From: "Don Rosa" <donrosa at iglou.com>
>
> > From: Rich Bellacera <xephyr at cwnet.com>
> > Subject: Magica the Sorceress
> > To those who submitted info related to Magica as
> > a Sorceress, thanks. I shall have to remember
> > that for her profile, though I must say, Gary is
> > probably correct in the way most people will
> > commonly perceive Magica whether or not it is
> > technically accurate.
>
> Oh, yes, I certainly agree with that! If one is making
> a list of Disney "witches", Magica should not only be on
> the list, she should be at the HEAD of the list (naturally
> I'd think that!). But then the explanation would need
> to be included as to how she is different from someone
> like a Witch Hazel or Madam Mim or the Snow White witch.
Actually, to use your terms, the "Snow White witch" is
a Sorceress like Magica, not a Witch like Witch Hazel --
at least when you look at the movie. In the movie, she
only does one magical act -- she turns herself into
the "old crone". And to do that, she has to perform a
rather complicated sorcerous/alchemical spell to create
a potion, then drink the potion she made.
(She also posions the apple, but there is nothing that
indicates the posion is magical. And she owns a Magic
Mirror, but there's no indication that she made the
mirror or was powering it with her magic)
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> > From: Rich Bellacera <xephyr at cwnet.com>
> > Subject: Magica the Sorceress
> > To those who submitted info related to Magica as
> > a Sorceress, thanks. I shall have to remember
> > that for her profile, though I must say, Gary is
> > probably correct in the way most people will
> > commonly perceive Magica whether or not it is
> > technically accurate.
>
> Oh, yes, I certainly agree with that! If one is making
> a list of Disney "witches", Magica should not only be on
> the list, she should be at the HEAD of the list (naturally
> I'd think that!). But then the explanation would need
> to be included as to how she is different from someone
> like a Witch Hazel or Madam Mim or the Snow White witch.
Actually, to use your terms, the "Snow White witch" is
a Sorceress like Magica, not a Witch like Witch Hazel --
at least when you look at the movie. In the movie, she
only does one magical act -- she turns herself into
the "old crone". And to do that, she has to perform a
rather complicated sorcerous/alchemical spell to create
a potion, then drink the potion she made.
(She also posions the apple, but there is nothing that
indicates the posion is magical. And she owns a Magic
Mirror, but there's no indication that she made the
mirror or was powering it with her magic)
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Frank Bubacz
Trick Or Treat
Message 36 -
2003-09-02 at 10:51:42
Daniel:
>I guess this all follows the same path as in the cartoon?
In short: yup.
>Thanks for this thorough comparison!
I'm not quite sure, however, about the scene with the goat. The goat is not
in my copy of the short, although the goat's hair definitely is. Moreover,
there's also an "unnatural" looking cut right before one of the nephews
hands Hazel the hairs. So I guess the gag with the goat was edited out from
my TV sourced version of the film. Maybe somebody else can confirm that this
gag is in the film, i.e. it wasn't Barks' own idea for the comic version?
Frank
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>I guess this all follows the same path as in the cartoon?
In short: yup.
>Thanks for this thorough comparison!
I'm not quite sure, however, about the scene with the goat. The goat is not
in my copy of the short, although the goat's hair definitely is. Moreover,
there's also an "unnatural" looking cut right before one of the nephews
hands Hazel the hairs. So I guess the gag with the goat was edited out from
my TV sourced version of the film. Maybe somebody else can confirm that this
gag is in the film, i.e. it wasn't Barks' own idea for the comic version?
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H.W.Fluks
Uncle Scrooge #101
Message 37 -
2003-09-02 at 10:57:14
Jose Gonzalez-Gigato:
> The Inducks Disney Comics Database lists US#101
> ("http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/magazine.php/0/us/US") with
> the publication #90038-210. It should be #90038-209.
Noted. Thanks.
> What is the procedure to submit corrections?
For American (and Dutch) comics, an e-mail to me does the trick.
If you have comments about comics from other countries, they can go to me too (then I'll find out whose "domain" it is).
And after that, it can take a few weeks before the improvements are visible on our websites.
--Harry.
http://bolderbast.inducks.org
> The Inducks Disney Comics Database lists US#101
> ("http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/magazine.php/0/us/US") with
> the publication #90038-210. It should be #90038-209.
Noted. Thanks.
> What is the procedure to submit corrections?
For American (and Dutch) comics, an e-mail to me does the trick.
If you have comments about comics from other countries, they can go to me too (then I'll find out whose "domain" it is).
And after that, it can take a few weeks before the improvements are visible on our websites.
--Harry.
http://bolderbast.inducks.org
H.W.Fluks
Sands of Time (OT)
Message 38 -
2003-09-02 at 11:21:56
Kurt Wiltjes will write:
> In the middle of the room there stood an great pile of books in
> slipcases: Several dozen copies of 4 different slipcases with three
> books each. They had the same format as the b/w Cark Barks
> library bout
> were bound sideways. And they contained the whole uncensored body of
> Floyd Gottfredson's Mickey Mouse strips in crystal-clear print.
You are describing *my* copy of "The Floyd Gottfredson Library". I thought I had them bound from Horst Schroeder xeroxes, but now it seems I will have them had from a shop somewhere in the future.
Except that my FGL is only 9 books (in 3 slipcases). I'm still looking for the 3 other books, containing the MM Sunday strips from FG's era. Now I'm sure I have had these too, all the time, because I will have them had gotten from the same shop.
Dani?l:
> [...] Cord's recent time-travel journey.
I wonder how the word "recent" is defined when talking about time travels...
--Harry.
"The world will end tomorrow!"
"Nonsense. It's already tomorrow in New Zealand."
(Bob Foster)
> In the middle of the room there stood an great pile of books in
> slipcases: Several dozen copies of 4 different slipcases with three
> books each. They had the same format as the b/w Cark Barks
> library bout
> were bound sideways. And they contained the whole uncensored body of
> Floyd Gottfredson's Mickey Mouse strips in crystal-clear print.
You are describing *my* copy of "The Floyd Gottfredson Library". I thought I had them bound from Horst Schroeder xeroxes, but now it seems I will have them had from a shop somewhere in the future.
Except that my FGL is only 9 books (in 3 slipcases). I'm still looking for the 3 other books, containing the MM Sunday strips from FG's era. Now I'm sure I have had these too, all the time, because I will have them had gotten from the same shop.
Dani?l:
> [...] Cord's recent time-travel journey.
I wonder how the word "recent" is defined when talking about time travels...
--Harry.
"The world will end tomorrow!"
"Nonsense. It's already tomorrow in New Zealand."
(Bob Foster)
Mads Jensen
DCML Digest, Vol 7, Issue 4
Message 39 -
2003-09-02 at 12:33:10
"The sound cracked the mirror!... Brother! That's QUALITY!"
Is it the story where Donald is a sound expert ? Can't find the code for it
right now :-(
Best,
Mads
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Is it the story where Donald is a sound expert ? Can't find the code for it
right now :-(
Best,
Mads
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Lars Jensen
The fake Douglas
Message 40 -
2003-09-02 at 12:38:27
Gilles wrote:
> I finally found where Freddy Fryseand comes from!!!
> It is "Northwest Territory" (D 7146), by Ignasi Calvet Esteban
> Though, I'd like to know freddy's original name...
I'll try to find out, but it'll probably take a while.
Lars
> I finally found where Freddy Fryseand comes from!!!
> It is "Northwest Territory" (D 7146), by Ignasi Calvet Esteban
> Though, I'd like to know freddy's original name...
I'll try to find out, but it'll probably take a while.
Lars
Lars Jensen
What Spell(ing)?
Message 41 -
2003-09-02 at 12:56:34
Daniël van Eijmeren wrote:
> Michael Barrier spells "Magica de Spell",
> and others spell "Magica *De* Spell".
> How did Barks spell "de spell"?
In my 1987 trade edition of "Uncle Scrooge McDuck -- His Life & Times"
Barks at one point comments on a Magica story. I have no idea whether
the proof editor followed Barks' spelling or "corrected" it before the
book was printed, but assuming the text wasn't tampered with, Barks
spells her name "Magica De Spell".
Lars
> Michael Barrier spells "Magica de Spell",
> and others spell "Magica *De* Spell".
> How did Barks spell "de spell"?
In my 1987 trade edition of "Uncle Scrooge McDuck -- His Life & Times"
Barks at one point comments on a Magica story. I have no idea whether
the proof editor followed Barks' spelling or "corrected" it before the
book was printed, but assuming the text wasn't tampered with, Barks
spells her name "Magica De Spell".
Lars
Lars Jensen
What is so funny about Magica
Message 42 -
2003-09-02 at 15:13:08
Daniël van Eijmeren wrote:
> Is Barks's Magica an evil person? Has she ever threatened to really
> harm (or even kill) people or animals? I can't remember any such
> instance.
Is she evil? This is an impossible question to answer. How do you define
evil? Are the Beagle Boys evil? Is Big Bad Wolf? Is Scrooge McDuck?
Depends on who you're asking, probably.
Lars
> Is Barks's Magica an evil person? Has she ever threatened to really
> harm (or even kill) people or animals? I can't remember any such
> instance.
Is she evil? This is an impossible question to answer. How do you define
evil? Are the Beagle Boys evil? Is Big Bad Wolf? Is Scrooge McDuck?
Depends on who you're asking, probably.
Lars
JTorci3511
Original American Character Names (W DD 136-01,W DD 116-05)
Message 43 -
2003-09-02 at 17:16:35
Goofy313g at aol.com asks for Original American names needed (W DD 136-01,W DD
116-05)
>>I still need the original names of the following characters:>>
>>- Vic Lockman and Mike Aren's "Why All the Crabby Ducks?" (W DD 136-01,
1971): a relative of Donald, called "Tapfou" in French, and "Fjollerik And"
in
Danish. >>
The oddball engineer who designed all of Duckburg's ills was called "Dudly D.
Duck".
>>- Strobl and Lockman's "The Doony Desert Dilemma" (W DD 116-05, 1968):
A cousin of Scrooge, called Degenhart Duck in German.>>
This was cousin "Lurch Mc Duck" (...perhaps misidentified as "Lurch Duck" by
an impostor one page one). "Lurch Mc Duck" adopted the identity of "Sheik
Beak" to distance himself from his "bossy cousin" Scrooge.
Please spell my name correctly in the acknowledgments :-)
Joe Torcivia.
116-05)
>>I still need the original names of the following characters:>>
>>- Vic Lockman and Mike Aren's "Why All the Crabby Ducks?" (W DD 136-01,
1971): a relative of Donald, called "Tapfou" in French, and "Fjollerik And"
in
Danish. >>
The oddball engineer who designed all of Duckburg's ills was called "Dudly D.
Duck".
>>- Strobl and Lockman's "The Doony Desert Dilemma" (W DD 116-05, 1968):
A cousin of Scrooge, called Degenhart Duck in German.>>
This was cousin "Lurch Mc Duck" (...perhaps misidentified as "Lurch Duck" by
an impostor one page one). "Lurch Mc Duck" adopted the identity of "Sheik
Beak" to distance himself from his "bossy cousin" Scrooge.
Please spell my name correctly in the acknowledgments :-)
Joe Torcivia.
Lars Jensen
Story codes
Message 44 -
2003-09-02 at 17:33:59
Olaf Solstrand wrote:
> Recommended reading: D/D 2001-013, D/D 2002-009, D/D 2002-020
> and D/D 2003-022 :-)
I know it's a long shot, but... Do you happen to know what the title of
D/D 2003-022 is? :-)
Lars
> Recommended reading: D/D 2001-013, D/D 2002-009, D/D 2002-020
> and D/D 2003-022 :-)
I know it's a long shot, but... Do you happen to know what the title of
D/D 2003-022 is? :-)
Lars
Arie Fachrisal
DCML Digest, Vol 7, Issue 4
Message 45 -
2003-09-02 at 18:09:11
the side-talk about Casper the Dead Baby erally gives me the creee, i had
never thought about it that way to admit. That opens a whole new persepctive
as how Casper really died, it can be a crepy story but since it's Disney
Comics mailing list, i shouldnt talk about it :-)
Daniel:
> Maybe Santa has the knowlegde of duplicating himself, like Gyro Gearloose
> is working with teleportation in "Stranger Than Fiction" (WDC 249). If a
> person can be electronically transmissed along beams of cosmic rays, then
> I'd say that signal can also be multiplied, giving twice the output, or
> more. And if a signal can be electronically enchanted, it can also be
> transformed into bigger and smaller signals. So, this might explain how
> Santa is doing those "foing" and "shrink" tricks in "A Letter to Santa".
> And why not? Flickus, Flackus, Fumdeedledum! :-)
Yikkus, Yakkus, Youbettus. Though i am somehat baffled by why an old man
with white beard would laugh "ho-ho-ho" when his big round nose is freezing
into a reddish state ;-)
Keep On Quickus Quackus Quacking,
Arie Fachrisal
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never thought about it that way to admit. That opens a whole new persepctive
as how Casper really died, it can be a crepy story but since it's Disney
Comics mailing list, i shouldnt talk about it :-)
Daniel:
> Maybe Santa has the knowlegde of duplicating himself, like Gyro Gearloose
> is working with teleportation in "Stranger Than Fiction" (WDC 249). If a
> person can be electronically transmissed along beams of cosmic rays, then
> I'd say that signal can also be multiplied, giving twice the output, or
> more. And if a signal can be electronically enchanted, it can also be
> transformed into bigger and smaller signals. So, this might explain how
> Santa is doing those "foing" and "shrink" tricks in "A Letter to Santa".
> And why not? Flickus, Flackus, Fumdeedledum! :-)
Yikkus, Yakkus, Youbettus. Though i am somehat baffled by why an old man
with white beard would laugh "ho-ho-ho" when his big round nose is freezing
into a reddish state ;-)
Keep On Quickus Quackus Quacking,
Arie Fachrisal
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