Hi everybody!
I'm David, from Italy (if everybody don't know me..)
I have a question, especially for italian friends.
In these days The walt disney company Italia is reprenting the first 6 copies of 'Topolino d'oro' that contain the first histories by Gottfredson.
I have a short question Does everybody knows if these reprints are an anastatic copies of the originals, or some corrections was made with respect to the originals?
Kind regards,
David.
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David.Lazzari
Reprint of 'Il Topolino d'oro'
Message 241 -
2003-09-12 at 13:34:17
Timo Ronkainen
Reprint of 'Il Topolino d'oro'
Message 242 -
2003-09-12 at 13:48:50
>I have a short question Does everybody knows if these reprints are an
>anastatic copies of the originals, or some corrections was made with
>respect to the originals?
They were photographed from old Italian reprints. They are somewhat
different from USA originals, panels cut, speech balloons altered, etc.
Timo
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>anastatic copies of the originals, or some corrections was made with
>respect to the originals?
They were photographed from old Italian reprints. They are somewhat
different from USA originals, panels cut, speech balloons altered, etc.
Timo
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Timo Ronkainen
Reprint of 'Il Topolino d'oro'
Message 243 -
2003-09-12 at 13:51:56
>I have a short question Does everybody knows if these reprints are an
>anastatic copies of the originals, or some corrections was made with
>respect to the originals?
Baah... Now I understood what you ment. Silly me. You mean if they are
corrected from first printing to be more close to the original USA strips?
That I don't know... sorry.
Timo
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>anastatic copies of the originals, or some corrections was made with
>respect to the originals?
Baah... Now I understood what you ment. Silly me. You mean if they are
corrected from first printing to be more close to the original USA strips?
That I don't know... sorry.
Timo
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David Gerstein
Edgerton, Albert, Basttista & Duckworth?
Message 244 -
2003-09-12 at 14:31:30
Hi Rich,
> I know for the INDUCKS Scrooge's butler has been listed as "Battista" and
> called
> an "Italian" creation, but I would like to dispute this claim.
Battista as he has evolved over the years (basically a harried live-in
domestic at the money bin who also functions as a business aide) is really
an Italian concept.
True: he may have been INSPIRED by random butlers in Barks stories, and
as you've noticed, Battista himself has an inconsistent "look" in his
earlier appearances. But that doesn't mean he was deliberately intended as
the SAME CHARACTER as those earlier butlers.
Anyway, he has long since become a consistent character with no
resemblance to the others? and this happened in Italy. For all intents and
purposes, I'd call him an Italian DEVELOPMENT, if not absolutely an Italian
creation.
> In Barks' very first appearance of Uncle Scrooge (W OS 178-02 "Christmas On
> Bear
> Mountain") a dognose butler appears. Scrooge calls him Edgerton.
[...]
> Evenso, it is my belief that Battista is actually just an evolution of
> Edgerton,
Edgerton never appears again, after this single story, until his later
use by Don Rosa (in the 1990s!). Do keep that in mind.
I think any similarity in appearance between Battista and Edgerton is
purely coincidental. I might be convinced otherwise if Edgerton were
translated with the name Battista in the early Italian editions of "Bear
Mountain", but I don't have those editions to check. (Italians? Want to help
me here?)
> I recall discussing this previously with someone and was advised that
> appearances
> of Scrooge's butler in the USA he was called "Albert" though I am not aware of
> any
> such occurrances.
I may be that someone. What you're remembering is that Egmont calls
Battista Albert in English. When we've used him in our own stories, we've
called him Albert; he's also appeared as Albert at various times in Egmont's
British and Indian pocketbooks.
So Albert is Battista's English name, but it has no bearing on the
American comics, where no stories with Battista have ever been used to my
knowledge.
> Now, in the case of Duckworth from DUCKTALES, there is very little about
> Duckworth
> that would make me believe that, other than the name change, the producers of
> DUCKTALES did not intend Duckworth to, in fact BE Barks' Edgerton. In fact, I
> would dare say, as with Mrs. Featherby (Scrooge's secretary in DUCKTALES) who
> is
> obviously intended to be Miss Quackfaster/Typefast, Duckworth is indeed
> Edgerton.
I might agree with you here if anyone had used Edgerton after 1947. But
no; Edgerton simply appears in that one story and was totally forgotten
afterward. Other butlers did appear as one-offs and a few of them did look
sort of like Duckworth, too: it's just as likely that Duckworth is inspired
by those butlers as by the original Edgerton.
If by ANY earlier character, that is. Ten years ago, I spoke to
DuckTales staffers? some of whom were fond of the Barks stories, but others
of whom seemed indifferent and didn't mind changing the plots radically for
TV. Why should we presume that this same crew conscientiously went out of
their way to do well by characters as minor as Edgerton?
They seized on Miss Quackfaster because she was all over the European
Disney comics at the time and very hard to miss. The same can't be said of
Edgerton, with his one appearance in 1947.
> Thus, it is my conclusion that Edgerton is Barks' ORIGINAL name for Scrooge's
> butler and Duckworth is the cartoon name for the SAME character. Perhaps his
> full
> name is Edgerton Duckworth (which does have a very upper-class sound for a
> name).
Until I see some real evidence, I just can't believe that
Battista/Albert = Duckworth = Edgerton.
> What do you all think? Am I WAY off base on this assumption...
I'm afraid IMHO you are "WAY off base". Had Edgerton been a recurring
character in the old days you might well be right, but as he was a one-off,
I think your reports of his importance are greatly exaggerated.
Best, David
> I know for the INDUCKS Scrooge's butler has been listed as "Battista" and
> called
> an "Italian" creation, but I would like to dispute this claim.
Battista as he has evolved over the years (basically a harried live-in
domestic at the money bin who also functions as a business aide) is really
an Italian concept.
True: he may have been INSPIRED by random butlers in Barks stories, and
as you've noticed, Battista himself has an inconsistent "look" in his
earlier appearances. But that doesn't mean he was deliberately intended as
the SAME CHARACTER as those earlier butlers.
Anyway, he has long since become a consistent character with no
resemblance to the others? and this happened in Italy. For all intents and
purposes, I'd call him an Italian DEVELOPMENT, if not absolutely an Italian
creation.
> In Barks' very first appearance of Uncle Scrooge (W OS 178-02 "Christmas On
> Bear
> Mountain") a dognose butler appears. Scrooge calls him Edgerton.
[...]
> Evenso, it is my belief that Battista is actually just an evolution of
> Edgerton,
Edgerton never appears again, after this single story, until his later
use by Don Rosa (in the 1990s!). Do keep that in mind.
I think any similarity in appearance between Battista and Edgerton is
purely coincidental. I might be convinced otherwise if Edgerton were
translated with the name Battista in the early Italian editions of "Bear
Mountain", but I don't have those editions to check. (Italians? Want to help
me here?)
> I recall discussing this previously with someone and was advised that
> appearances
> of Scrooge's butler in the USA he was called "Albert" though I am not aware of
> any
> such occurrances.
I may be that someone. What you're remembering is that Egmont calls
Battista Albert in English. When we've used him in our own stories, we've
called him Albert; he's also appeared as Albert at various times in Egmont's
British and Indian pocketbooks.
So Albert is Battista's English name, but it has no bearing on the
American comics, where no stories with Battista have ever been used to my
knowledge.
> Now, in the case of Duckworth from DUCKTALES, there is very little about
> Duckworth
> that would make me believe that, other than the name change, the producers of
> DUCKTALES did not intend Duckworth to, in fact BE Barks' Edgerton. In fact, I
> would dare say, as with Mrs. Featherby (Scrooge's secretary in DUCKTALES) who
> is
> obviously intended to be Miss Quackfaster/Typefast, Duckworth is indeed
> Edgerton.
I might agree with you here if anyone had used Edgerton after 1947. But
no; Edgerton simply appears in that one story and was totally forgotten
afterward. Other butlers did appear as one-offs and a few of them did look
sort of like Duckworth, too: it's just as likely that Duckworth is inspired
by those butlers as by the original Edgerton.
If by ANY earlier character, that is. Ten years ago, I spoke to
DuckTales staffers? some of whom were fond of the Barks stories, but others
of whom seemed indifferent and didn't mind changing the plots radically for
TV. Why should we presume that this same crew conscientiously went out of
their way to do well by characters as minor as Edgerton?
They seized on Miss Quackfaster because she was all over the European
Disney comics at the time and very hard to miss. The same can't be said of
Edgerton, with his one appearance in 1947.
> Thus, it is my conclusion that Edgerton is Barks' ORIGINAL name for Scrooge's
> butler and Duckworth is the cartoon name for the SAME character. Perhaps his
> full
> name is Edgerton Duckworth (which does have a very upper-class sound for a
> name).
Until I see some real evidence, I just can't believe that
Battista/Albert = Duckworth = Edgerton.
> What do you all think? Am I WAY off base on this assumption...
I'm afraid IMHO you are "WAY off base". Had Edgerton been a recurring
character in the old days you might well be right, but as he was a one-off,
I think your reports of his importance are greatly exaggerated.
Best, David
Daniel J. Neyer
Barks quotes
Message 245 -
2003-09-12 at 16:06:41
">Hey! Somethin's makin' SENSE!"
>Which Barks story?
>Hint #1: "Scram! Do you think you WORK here?"
>Hint #2: "It looks VALUABLE! If it were only yours -"
>Hint #3: "A little AIRING won't hurt this antique charm!"
These lines are all from Barks' BIG-TOP BEDLAM.
>Which Barks story?
>Hint #1: "Scram! Do you think you WORK here?"
>Hint #2: "It looks VALUABLE! If it were only yours -"
>Hint #3: "A little AIRING won't hurt this antique charm!"
These lines are all from Barks' BIG-TOP BEDLAM.
Luca Boschi
Edgerton, Albert, Battista & Duckworth?
Message 246 -
2003-09-12 at 16:12:54
Hi, David and Rich,
Dave says:
> Edgerton never appears again, after this single story, until his later
> use by Don Rosa (in the 1990s!). Do keep that in mind.
> I think any similarity in appearance between Battista and Edgerton is
> purely coincidental. I might be convinced otherwise if Edgerton were
> translated with the name Battista in the early Italian editions of "Bear
> Mountain", but I don't have those editions to check. (Italians? Want to help
> me here?)
Yeah. His Italian name is FIRMINO, and not Battista (a "traditional" name
for an Italian butler; for example, in this way was even called the actor
Giulio Marchetti, starring a "pirate butler" in the very famous,
kids-oriented TV musical show "Giovanna la nonna del Corsaro Nero"
("Johanna, Black Buccaneer's Grandma"). Marchetti's Battista was on TV from
1962 on, created by the Italian satirical writer Vittorio Metz, a sort of
Wodehouse writing for the cinema, who might had Jeeves in his mind.
Scrooge's taxy driver, in the same story, is called Giacomo.
But you know that from the 50es, ALL Scrooge's butlers (also the bull-dog
faced one drawn by Perego or Pier Lorenzo De Vita) were called "Battista".
>
> I might agree with you here if anyone had used Edgerton after 1947. But
> no; Edgerton simply appears in that one story and was totally forgotten
> afterward. Other butlers did appear as one-offs and a few of them did look
> sort of like Duckworth, too: it's just as likely that Duckworth is inspired
> by those butlers as by the original Edgerton.
Yeah. And in recent italian translations, their "new" name is Battista as
well.
Best, Luca
Dave says:
> Edgerton never appears again, after this single story, until his later
> use by Don Rosa (in the 1990s!). Do keep that in mind.
> I think any similarity in appearance between Battista and Edgerton is
> purely coincidental. I might be convinced otherwise if Edgerton were
> translated with the name Battista in the early Italian editions of "Bear
> Mountain", but I don't have those editions to check. (Italians? Want to help
> me here?)
Yeah. His Italian name is FIRMINO, and not Battista (a "traditional" name
for an Italian butler; for example, in this way was even called the actor
Giulio Marchetti, starring a "pirate butler" in the very famous,
kids-oriented TV musical show "Giovanna la nonna del Corsaro Nero"
("Johanna, Black Buccaneer's Grandma"). Marchetti's Battista was on TV from
1962 on, created by the Italian satirical writer Vittorio Metz, a sort of
Wodehouse writing for the cinema, who might had Jeeves in his mind.
Scrooge's taxy driver, in the same story, is called Giacomo.
But you know that from the 50es, ALL Scrooge's butlers (also the bull-dog
faced one drawn by Perego or Pier Lorenzo De Vita) were called "Battista".
>
> I might agree with you here if anyone had used Edgerton after 1947. But
> no; Edgerton simply appears in that one story and was totally forgotten
> afterward. Other butlers did appear as one-offs and a few of them did look
> sort of like Duckworth, too: it's just as likely that Duckworth is inspired
> by those butlers as by the original Edgerton.
Yeah. And in recent italian translations, their "new" name is Battista as
well.
Best, Luca
Daniel J. Neyer
Dime and Dime Again
Message 247 -
2003-09-12 at 16:21:39
I just picked up Uncle Scrooge 321, and I must say this Blum story was an
improvement over World Wide Witch, in that it had an actual plot that
didn't depend on modern technology and fads (credit for this should go to
Barks, rather than Blum, I guess). Blum still threw in a few too many
90's references for my taste ("exhibitionists", "cd-rom", "cultural
history", and characters named Ramon and Angel), but the story overall
was enjoyable. I was also interested by Blum's use of Blackheart
"Grandpa" Beagle. Barks, not Rosa, actually created Grandpa, and used him
twice--in THE FANTASTIC RIVER RACE and THE MONEY WELL. Would DIME AND
DIME AGAIN have been Barks' third use of his character, or did Blum add
him in? It would be interesting to find out.
improvement over World Wide Witch, in that it had an actual plot that
didn't depend on modern technology and fads (credit for this should go to
Barks, rather than Blum, I guess). Blum still threw in a few too many
90's references for my taste ("exhibitionists", "cd-rom", "cultural
history", and characters named Ramon and Angel), but the story overall
was enjoyable. I was also interested by Blum's use of Blackheart
"Grandpa" Beagle. Barks, not Rosa, actually created Grandpa, and used him
twice--in THE FANTASTIC RIVER RACE and THE MONEY WELL. Would DIME AND
DIME AGAIN have been Barks' third use of his character, or did Blum add
him in? It would be interesting to find out.
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Grandpa Beagle vs. Blackheart Beagle
Message 248 -
2003-09-12 at 17:20:46
DANIEL NEYER, 12-09-2003
> [Dime and Dime Again, D/D 2001-004] I was also interested by Blum's
> use of Blackheart "Grandpa" Beagle. Barks, not Rosa, actually created
> Grandpa, and used him twice--in THE FANTASTIC RIVER RACE and THE MONEY
> WELL.
Barks used Grandpa Beagle (186-802) only ONCE, in "The Money Well" (US 21).
The river race story (USGD 1) contains Blackheart Beagle.
Melting these two characters into one character, is a Rosa creation.
--- Dani?l
> [Dime and Dime Again, D/D 2001-004] I was also interested by Blum's
> use of Blackheart "Grandpa" Beagle. Barks, not Rosa, actually created
> Grandpa, and used him twice--in THE FANTASTIC RIVER RACE and THE MONEY
> WELL.
Barks used Grandpa Beagle (186-802) only ONCE, in "The Money Well" (US 21).
The river race story (USGD 1) contains Blackheart Beagle.
Melting these two characters into one character, is a Rosa creation.
--- Dani?l
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Note from Donald Ault, about Carl Barks, Frank Stajano, Leonardo
Message 249 -
2003-09-12 at 17:45:26
Here's a note from Donald Ault, followed by a reply from me.
First, here's a list of links to some contributions to this thread
about Stajano's and Gori's book "Il Grande Floyd Gottfredson", for
people who want to refresh their memory:
Daniel van Eijmeren - 28 August 2003
http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-August/024573.html
Francesco Spreafico - 28 August 2003
http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-August/024575.html
Daniel van Eijmeren - 28 August 2003
http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-August/024582.html
Donald Ault - 28 August 2003
http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-August/024610.html
Daniel van Eijmeren - 30 August 2003
http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-August/024672.html
- - - - - - -
From: "Donald D. Ault"
To: "Daniel van Eijmeren"
Subject: Re: Mickey Dailies and Carl Barks, Frank Stajano, Leonardo Gori
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 22:33:38 -0400
Daniel--
I'm not subscribed to the Disney list under this email address, so I'll send
this note to you personally first, to see if it answers the questions. When
I have access to my university account, I'll send it to the list if you
think appropriate. Incidentally, the file of the interview that Frank posted
on the web for me to access for the book did not have a date on it, as far
as I can remember. I DO have that original file somewhere, but it will take
some time to find it.
I've pasted a section from Frank's page below, where, if I understand it, he
indicates that he visited with Michael Naiman in San Diego around March of
1998, at which time he and Michael were involved in sending some birthday
cards to Carl as the Barks Studio trial was in full swing. He (and Leonardo)
then sent questions to Gerry Tank [I presume in August 1998], who
interviewed Carl for them; and then Frank came back to the USA later that
year to give a presentation and visited Carl then, which is when he
(apparently) did the second interview I didn't have access to.
The part that seems to refer to the interview in the Conversations book is:
"Gerry and I then got in touch via email. Leonardo Gori and I were writing
another book on Disney comics, this time focused on Mickey Mouse author
Floyd Gottfredson. I sent Gerry a list of questions we had prepared and he
interviewed Carl for us. That, too, was a brilliant experience, despite the
indirection."
Here is (what seems to me to be) the whole relevant passage (including the
one above) from Frank's page:
"It was at Michael's home in San Diego in 1998 that I first heard about
Gerry Tank. Michael had been arranging for Barks fans from all over the
world to send in little notes for Carl's 97th birthday. He collected all the
cards and ancillaries (someone had even sent a bottle of liquor) in a big
parcel that he forwarded to Gerry in Grants Pass, who would take Carl out to
dinner for his birthday and deliver the surprise box to him. Gerry had been
the doctor of Carl's wife Gar?; he lived not far from the Duck Man and
visited him regularly. On the day I arrived at Michael's, him and Gerry had
an animated telephone conversation about some incredible problems, worthy of
Donald Duck's worst day, that had sent this important parcel missing (I am
over-simplifying). To anyone whose birthday card was in that bundle: you
have no idea of what Michael and Gerry went through to ensure that it would
be delivered against all odds! But all went well in the end, and Carl was
very pleased to feel the warmth and affection of so many fans he almost
didn't know he had.
"Gerry and I then got in touch via email. Leonardo Gori and I were writing
another book on Disney comics, this time focused on Mickey Mouse author
Floyd Gottfredson. I sent Gerry a list of questions we had prepared and he
interviewed Carl for us. That, too, was a brilliant experience, despite the
indirection.
"But the best was yet to come. Later that year I had to visit the States
again to speak at a conference; so, with Gerry's invaluable logistic help, I
took a detour to Oregon for the weekend to visit my hero. The plane that was
meant to take me from New Jersey to Oregon had a malfunction in midflight,
so we were flown back to Newark and I had to get on a plane to California
the next day, and then on a connecting flight to Oregon. I felt of course
damn lucky not to have crashed (!) but I was also furious that this unique
chance to spend some time with Carl Barks was being cut short. After
repeated airport delays, and too many phone calls to my patient contact, I
finally landed in Medford, Oregon where Gerry had come to pick me up. He
drove me to Grants Pass, I checked into a local motel and we finally arrived
at Carl's home in mid-afternoon."
But Frank would know better than I.
Donald Ault
Professor of English
University of Florida
ault at ufl.edu
http://www.nwe.ufl.edu/~donault/
- - - - - - - - - -
Van: Daniel van Eijmeren
Aan: Donald D. Ault
Onderwerp: Re: Mickey Dailies and Carl Barks, Frank Stajano, Leonardo Gori
Datum: zondag 31 augustus 2003 19:50
Hi Donald,
Yes, your email is clear to me. Maybe the dates 6 August and 5 September 1998,
are the dates of Barks's replies? It fits within your note, I think.
Best wishes,
--- Dani?l
First, here's a list of links to some contributions to this thread
about Stajano's and Gori's book "Il Grande Floyd Gottfredson", for
people who want to refresh their memory:
Daniel van Eijmeren - 28 August 2003
http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-August/024573.html
Francesco Spreafico - 28 August 2003
http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-August/024575.html
Daniel van Eijmeren - 28 August 2003
http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-August/024582.html
Donald Ault - 28 August 2003
http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-August/024610.html
Daniel van Eijmeren - 30 August 2003
http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-August/024672.html
- - - - - - -
From: "Donald D. Ault"
To: "Daniel van Eijmeren"
Subject: Re: Mickey Dailies and Carl Barks, Frank Stajano, Leonardo Gori
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 22:33:38 -0400
Daniel--
I'm not subscribed to the Disney list under this email address, so I'll send
this note to you personally first, to see if it answers the questions. When
I have access to my university account, I'll send it to the list if you
think appropriate. Incidentally, the file of the interview that Frank posted
on the web for me to access for the book did not have a date on it, as far
as I can remember. I DO have that original file somewhere, but it will take
some time to find it.
I've pasted a section from Frank's page below, where, if I understand it, he
indicates that he visited with Michael Naiman in San Diego around March of
1998, at which time he and Michael were involved in sending some birthday
cards to Carl as the Barks Studio trial was in full swing. He (and Leonardo)
then sent questions to Gerry Tank [I presume in August 1998], who
interviewed Carl for them; and then Frank came back to the USA later that
year to give a presentation and visited Carl then, which is when he
(apparently) did the second interview I didn't have access to.
The part that seems to refer to the interview in the Conversations book is:
"Gerry and I then got in touch via email. Leonardo Gori and I were writing
another book on Disney comics, this time focused on Mickey Mouse author
Floyd Gottfredson. I sent Gerry a list of questions we had prepared and he
interviewed Carl for us. That, too, was a brilliant experience, despite the
indirection."
Here is (what seems to me to be) the whole relevant passage (including the
one above) from Frank's page:
"It was at Michael's home in San Diego in 1998 that I first heard about
Gerry Tank. Michael had been arranging for Barks fans from all over the
world to send in little notes for Carl's 97th birthday. He collected all the
cards and ancillaries (someone had even sent a bottle of liquor) in a big
parcel that he forwarded to Gerry in Grants Pass, who would take Carl out to
dinner for his birthday and deliver the surprise box to him. Gerry had been
the doctor of Carl's wife Gar?; he lived not far from the Duck Man and
visited him regularly. On the day I arrived at Michael's, him and Gerry had
an animated telephone conversation about some incredible problems, worthy of
Donald Duck's worst day, that had sent this important parcel missing (I am
over-simplifying). To anyone whose birthday card was in that bundle: you
have no idea of what Michael and Gerry went through to ensure that it would
be delivered against all odds! But all went well in the end, and Carl was
very pleased to feel the warmth and affection of so many fans he almost
didn't know he had.
"Gerry and I then got in touch via email. Leonardo Gori and I were writing
another book on Disney comics, this time focused on Mickey Mouse author
Floyd Gottfredson. I sent Gerry a list of questions we had prepared and he
interviewed Carl for us. That, too, was a brilliant experience, despite the
indirection.
"But the best was yet to come. Later that year I had to visit the States
again to speak at a conference; so, with Gerry's invaluable logistic help, I
took a detour to Oregon for the weekend to visit my hero. The plane that was
meant to take me from New Jersey to Oregon had a malfunction in midflight,
so we were flown back to Newark and I had to get on a plane to California
the next day, and then on a connecting flight to Oregon. I felt of course
damn lucky not to have crashed (!) but I was also furious that this unique
chance to spend some time with Carl Barks was being cut short. After
repeated airport delays, and too many phone calls to my patient contact, I
finally landed in Medford, Oregon where Gerry had come to pick me up. He
drove me to Grants Pass, I checked into a local motel and we finally arrived
at Carl's home in mid-afternoon."
But Frank would know better than I.
Donald Ault
Professor of English
University of Florida
ault at ufl.edu
http://www.nwe.ufl.edu/~donault/
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Van: Daniel van Eijmeren
Aan: Donald D. Ault
Onderwerp: Re: Mickey Dailies and Carl Barks, Frank Stajano, Leonardo Gori
Datum: zondag 31 augustus 2003 19:50
Hi Donald,
Yes, your email is clear to me. Maybe the dates 6 August and 5 September 1998,
are the dates of Barks's replies? It fits within your note, I think.
Best wishes,
--- Dani?l
JTorci3511
Duckworth
Message 250 -
2003-09-12 at 17:56:33
"My Pal" David Gerstein writes:
"it's just as likely that Duckworth is inspired by those butlers as by the
original Edgerton."
I'd tend to agree. Duckworth most likely assumed the regular role of
Scrooge's butler to give the depiction of "mansion life" in the DUCKTALES series a
more consistent look. Note, too, the interior shots of the mansion were
remarkably consistent from episode to episode. As opposed to something like THE
FLINTSTONES, where the interior of Fred and Wilma's house looked and was furnished
differently IN EVERY EPISODE.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned it yet, but Duckworth did appear in
William Van Horn's "Snore Losers", from Disney Comics' DONALD DUCK ADVENTURES # 5
(OCTOBER, 1990). I'd imagine this was his only appearance outside of actual
DUCKTALES comics.
Joe Torcivia.
"it's just as likely that Duckworth is inspired by those butlers as by the
original Edgerton."
I'd tend to agree. Duckworth most likely assumed the regular role of
Scrooge's butler to give the depiction of "mansion life" in the DUCKTALES series a
more consistent look. Note, too, the interior shots of the mansion were
remarkably consistent from episode to episode. As opposed to something like THE
FLINTSTONES, where the interior of Fred and Wilma's house looked and was furnished
differently IN EVERY EPISODE.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned it yet, but Duckworth did appear in
William Van Horn's "Snore Losers", from Disney Comics' DONALD DUCK ADVENTURES # 5
(OCTOBER, 1990). I'd imagine this was his only appearance outside of actual
DUCKTALES comics.
Joe Torcivia.
H.W.Fluks
Flipism
Message 251 -
2003-09-12 at 18:12:17
When reading Barks's "Flipism" story (WDC 149), I noticed that Barks consistently spells "flipism" with one p, while "flippist" is spelled with 2 ps. I wonder what reason he could have for that?
Flipism and flippist are imaginary words. But are there existing English words where the -ism word is spelled differently from the -ist word?
--Harry.
Flipism and flippist are imaginary words. But are there existing English words where the -ism word is spelled differently from the -ist word?
--Harry.
Daniel Van Eijmeren
The Three Caballeros / The Black Cauldron (OT)
Message 252 -
2003-09-12 at 18:40:57
CORD WILJES to me, 11-09-2003:
>> I think there's an obvious difference between Disney's first three
>> movies ("Snow White", "Pinocchio", and "Fantasia"), and the later
>> movies. The first three movies look like artistic masterpieces, while
>> the later movies mostly look like "safe" family amusement. (IMO)
> This is exactly how I feel about the Disney movies but could not name
> it until I read your message.
I think I got this from a Disney documentary about "Fantasia". Walt Disney
got frustrated by the lack of success of his artistic "Fantasia", and so
he decided to just give the people what they want. The sweeter family stuff.
If that's true, then the audience itself is to blame for getting Disneyized
stuff. How awfully we are punished, then.
There seem to be two exceptions:
- The Three Caballeros (1940s)
- The Black Cauldron (1980s, after Walt's death)
Both these movies are very experimental and path-breaking. But as far as
I know, the audience didn't like it. "The Three Caballeros" was too
psychedelic and surrealistic. And "The Black Cauldron" was too scary for
the little kids. Sometimes an artist just can't win.
I'm really pushing the borders of being off-topic, but is it true that
"The Three Caballeros" exists in two edits, each with a different length?
I think I've read something about that, here on DCML. If the information
is true, how can these edits be recognized?
--- Dani?l
>> I think there's an obvious difference between Disney's first three
>> movies ("Snow White", "Pinocchio", and "Fantasia"), and the later
>> movies. The first three movies look like artistic masterpieces, while
>> the later movies mostly look like "safe" family amusement. (IMO)
> This is exactly how I feel about the Disney movies but could not name
> it until I read your message.
I think I got this from a Disney documentary about "Fantasia". Walt Disney
got frustrated by the lack of success of his artistic "Fantasia", and so
he decided to just give the people what they want. The sweeter family stuff.
If that's true, then the audience itself is to blame for getting Disneyized
stuff. How awfully we are punished, then.
There seem to be two exceptions:
- The Three Caballeros (1940s)
- The Black Cauldron (1980s, after Walt's death)
Both these movies are very experimental and path-breaking. But as far as
I know, the audience didn't like it. "The Three Caballeros" was too
psychedelic and surrealistic. And "The Black Cauldron" was too scary for
the little kids. Sometimes an artist just can't win.
I'm really pushing the borders of being off-topic, but is it true that
"The Three Caballeros" exists in two edits, each with a different length?
I think I've read something about that, here on DCML. If the information
is true, how can these edits be recognized?
--- Dani?l
Fabio Blanco
Picsou!!
Message 253 -
2003-09-12 at 18:57:05
I am here on my home, in Buenos Aires. I have on my hands the Picsou issue from September...
Isn't life wonderful?
FABIO
bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar
Isn't life wonderful?
FABIO
bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar
Daniel J. Neyer
Grandpa vs. Blackheart
Message 254 -
2003-09-12 at 19:40:53
>Barks used Grandpa Beagle (186-802) only ONCE, in "The Money >Well" (US
21).
>The river race story (USGD 1) contains Blackheart Beagle.
>Melting these two characters into one character, is a Rosa creation.
Daniel van Eijmeren is right; nothing in FANTASTIC RIVER RACE ever says
that Blackheart Beagle is the grandfather of the "current" B Boys.
However, since Ratchet Gearloose is in the story and is identified as the
grandfather of Gyro, I've always felt it was a logical assumption (and I
guess Rosa did too) that Blackheart was the Beagle Boys' grandfather,
since Blackheart and Ratchet seem of the same "generation" so to speak.
But I guess there's no way to verify it--unless someone checks out the
archives of Beagle Boys Inc. In any case, does anyone know if Grandpa was
featured in Barks' original story line for the Dime story?
21).
>The river race story (USGD 1) contains Blackheart Beagle.
>Melting these two characters into one character, is a Rosa creation.
Daniel van Eijmeren is right; nothing in FANTASTIC RIVER RACE ever says
that Blackheart Beagle is the grandfather of the "current" B Boys.
However, since Ratchet Gearloose is in the story and is identified as the
grandfather of Gyro, I've always felt it was a logical assumption (and I
guess Rosa did too) that Blackheart was the Beagle Boys' grandfather,
since Blackheart and Ratchet seem of the same "generation" so to speak.
But I guess there's no way to verify it--unless someone checks out the
archives of Beagle Boys Inc. In any case, does anyone know if Grandpa was
featured in Barks' original story line for the Dime story?
H.W.Fluks
Barat's Bean Works
Message 255 -
2003-09-12 at 19:41:41
In the Van Horn story in Gemstone's UNCLE SCROOGE #320, there's a van driving by with the text "Barat's Bean Works".
Is this a coincidence, or is there a connection between William Van Horn and (letter writer, indexer, and DCML member) Chris Barat?
--Harry.
(Specialised in fish - "Vishandel Fluks" - and soap - "Better Ducks scrub with Fluks")
Is this a coincidence, or is there a connection between William Van Horn and (letter writer, indexer, and DCML member) Chris Barat?
--Harry.
(Specialised in fish - "Vishandel Fluks" - and soap - "Better Ducks scrub with Fluks")