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>Sorry, but that's not manga for me. Looks like the Italian style I don't
>like to much... maybe we must tracks some japanese funny animals to check.
>But again, sorry, don't looks like manga...

No they don't. I agree. There's very little manga in these.
But they were presented as manga for Japanese audience. I wonder how they
were selling in Japan...

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At 02:03 PM 9/8/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>In a message dated 9/8/2003 7:37:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>lschulte at sfstoledo.org writes:
>Sigvald was asked not to let political comments on the DCML, and in general
>I would agree. The statement in question that many Left-wing intellectuals
>"went soft" on Mao is correct
>And many right - wing folks in the USA and Europe were soft on Hitler and
>Mussolini despite their not too good records too. Barks wrote stories
>dealing with WW2 too....
>
> Therefore I fail to see your point at all...

The point is that Barks was occasionally letting his anti-Communism be
expressed in his stories (with things like Brutopia), in the same way that
his divorce might have obliquely crept through into a few stories.

That the right-wing was soft on Hitler and other Fascists is also correct,
but irrelevant here, since the original comment was about left-wing
"softness" on Communism.

>From: "timo ronkainen" <timoro at hotmail.com>
>To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Subject: RE: Lost samples
>Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 15:14:47 +0300

>>Sorry, but that's not manga for me. Looks like the Italian style I
>>don't
>>like to much... maybe we must tracks some japanese funny animals to
>>check.
>>But again, sorry, don't looks like manga...
>
>No they don't. I agree. There's very little manga in these.
>But they were presented as manga for Japanese audience. I wonder how
>they were selling in Japan...

??? "Manga" (??) is the Japanese word for "comics," so of course they
were presented as "manga" to the Japanese audience.

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>??? "Manga" (????) is the Japanese word for "comics," so of course they
>were presented as "manga" to the Japanese audience.

OK. To be more precise, they were presented to Japanese audience as
Japanese-style-comics, as drawn like original Japanese comics. Which they
are not IMO. (If I recall right, Japanese have their own term for comics
from Europe and America, "komiksu"?)

Timo

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> OK. To be more precise, they were presented to Japanese audience as
> Japanese-style-comics, as drawn like original Japanese comics. Which they
> are not IMO. (If I recall right, Japanese have their own term for comics
> from Europe and America, "komiksu"?)
>
> Timo

Yes, but they don't pronunce that "u"... so is /komiks/ hehhee :-)
By the way... just imagine Stan Sakai drawing disney comics...

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>"Disney" Studio's PC crowd. In my copy, it looks very like Wahn Beeg
>Rhatt's "takeover" was originally called a "revolution" and the

My 1976 reprint issue says "revolution". Is it different in newer reprints?

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GERD SYLLWASSCHI to DANIEL NEYER, 08-09-2003:

>> I've always wondered if my copy of The Treasure of Marco Polo (which
>> I believe was quoted a few messages back) has been bowdlerized by the
>> "Disney" Studio's PC crowd.

> I do not know which copy you have, but the story has been blacklisted
> by Disney. To get permission to include it in the CBL, Another Rainbow/
> Gladstone had to change parts of the dialog (as well as some of the art)
> in the 1980's.

Below you can read a comparison I've made years ago.
Please report any errors/omissions.

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TREASURE OF MARCO POLO - ORIGINAL DIALOGUE

Comparison of US 64 with CBL-publication 05C-569, by Dani?l van Eijmeren:

Lots of dialogue is censored. Any reference to dictator, rebel, civil war or
revolution is changed to general, soldier, or war. Panel 2 of page 16 and
panel 7 of page 21 are changed. In both, the garrotte Soy Bheen is about to
strangle a rebel with, is removed.

3.7
Soy: "I'm Soy Bheen, a poor peasant boy! Whan Beeg Rhat is the rebel brigand
who is trying to be dictator of Unsteadystan!"

4.1
Soy: "I crawled in to hide from the rebels!"

4.2
Soy: "No, the rebels had stolen it before the shooting began!"

4.7
Scrooge: "I paid the Unsteadystan premier a million dollars in advance for the
jade beast! That's enough loss for one deal!"

6.6
Soy: "Somebody's always shooting at somebody in Unsteadystan, Mr. McDuck!"

7.1
Soy: "Keep low and follow me! There's a battle going on between two rival rebel
bands."

9.3
rebel: "Whan Beeg Rhat, si! Duckburg, no!"

9.4
Soy: "Rebel Debbil, you're fighting in siesta time! It's five minutes after
one!"

9.5
rebel: "Shows you can't trust these watches from the workers' paradise!"

10.4
Soy: "Beeg Rhat will come out of his jungle hide-out for the right kind of
loot!" [In the CBL this balloon is shortened a bit. A bit of it's original
silhoutte can be seen in the black on the left.]

10.5
Soy: "No, power! Every thug in Unsteadystan wants to be ruler! None can succeed
however while a certain person is alive!"

10.6
Soy: "The young Prince Char Ming! Only he can unite the people and make them
peaceful!"

10.7
Soy: "He's away at school, and all these would-be rulers would erase him on
sight if he returns!"

11.2
Soy: "There are still garments in the closets! At least the in-and-out rulers
haven't sold them like they did the royal jade elephant!"

15.5
rebel: "Hail to Wahn Beeg Rhat, dictator of all the happy people -- happy or
not!"

20.6
Wahn: "So you sneaked back to reunite Unsteadystan, prince? Well, the joke is
on you! Ha, ha!"

23.4
rebel: "Who is he? We've had sixty rulers in sixty months!"
citizen: "All phonies! The true ruler will appear in the sacred howdah!"

23.7
Wahn: "Prince Target to me! Shoot him, Rhat brats! Don't let him spoil my
revolution!"

24.2
rebel 1: "And keep these silly revolutions going forever?"
rebel 2: "No! We suddenly think it'd be nice for Unsteadystan to have a king
again -- like in the good old days!"

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--- Dani?l