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Dr. Archontis Pantsios
SØREN:

>Hm, I'm not sure I understand how a magazine that contains only
>re-re-re-prints of Barks and Rosa stories can qualify to be "one of the
>best DC magazines in Europe". The two issues you gave to me look great,
>fine paper quality, great colours, (funny letters :-) but there is
>nothing new as far as the stories are concerned--they can all be found
>in various versions in older mags.

I have to admit that while I find the above statement "puzzling", it
nevertheless re-confirms my belief that everything in life in *RELATIVE*!

And I'm explaining myself: Søren seems to be dumbfounded and can't
understand how on earth a comic that prints mostly Barks, Rosa, and Scarpa
re-re-(whatever)-prints can qualify as one of the best Disney comic books in
the world. I guess that he didn't pay much attention to the tiny detail that
KOMIX is published in Greece and in Greek--hence, its target market is the
Greek population--not Scandinavia, not Germany, not France,.... In this
Greek population, most of these stories are seen for the *first* time, even
if some of them were published is lesser quality mags many years ago. But
how can I have the audacity to ask from KOMIX that they don't print Barks,
Rosa, or Scarpa, simply because *I* have happened to see these stories in
other publications, when 99% of the Greek readers of KOMIX are seeing them
for the first time?

KOMIX may not have something new for Søren--or for many other people, who,
for example, may get to read the original Rosa stories in Egmont's
publications, or who had the chance to read Barks in the original in
Gladstone's reprints. However, it offers many new things to its Greek
readership, and it does it in an exceptional way.

(Note: Someone could make similar observations for the Italian "ZIO
PAPERONE", which also features re-prints in its entirety--for many people ZP
ranks amongst the top 1-2 comics books in the world. First appearance of a
story is but one criterion in judging a comic's overall quality).

Cheers,

Archontis
Anders Christian Sivebaek
Don Rosa wrote

> I was *voluntarilly* contacted by
> the translators and editors in Finland (of course, from the start),
but
> later also by their worthy counterparts in Sweden (ML member Stefan
Dios!),
> Norway (ML member Nils Lid Hjort!), and Germany... and I worked with
all
> these nice folks to help them do a good job and follow all the
story's
> intentions and plans.
You weren't contacted by the danes then? Well, as a dane (and the one
who reported
to you about the quotes, I can only see one part to blame here. the
danish Serieforlaget,
which is a part of egmont, but they translate from english to danish...
they made the mistake, cause I bet Don wrote many places that it was
supposed to be special-fonted (italian style at least, or kalevalean
style to be the best...) The danes blew it there...

> But what I'm told is that the Danish editions have made no effort to
write
> the Kalevalian rune-o-meter or research the proper wordings,
I'm not sure about this, I don't know what the rune-o-meter is. but of
course it will always be translatings. I really do hope that they used
the newest authorized and unabriged
translation for it, it doesn't seem that they did. and then it might
not be their fault if the lines doesn't rhyme.

> and the
> dialogue was not even printed in a special font, as simple as
computers now
> make that.
They could have done it as smart as in the finnish book (thanks, Janne)
where they used a special starting letter in every bouble. then one
would have noticed..

It's sad if Serieforlaget ruined something here... they are also the
ones with those fact-pages...
so fellow scandinavians, could you please tell me what you versions
looked like? the norwegian, how is it? and how about you fact-pages in
general, do they put in references as to where you can find the stories
they mention in the Duckburg Times and so?
I remember the great timemashine, which had references...
Kriton Kyrimis
SØREN:

> Hm, I'm not sure I understand how a magazine that contains only
> re-re-re-prints of Barks and Rosa stories can qualify to be "one of the
> best DC magazines in Europe".

Let's put it this way: if you could read any language fluently, and
you were *forced* to read one of those re-re-re-prints, which comic
book would you chose? If you wanted to own the best edition of one
of said re-re-re-prints in a language that you cannot read, which one
would you chose? Chances are that the answer to both questions would
be KOMIX. [Note, however, that in Greece it is the Scarpa and the other
italian stories that are actually the re-re-re-prints (or just re-prints).
Most of the Barks and Rosa stuff (especially the latter) are published
for the first time.]

Although I share your sentiments about KOMIX offering little to someone
who owns a full run of Gladstone's output, I am amazed that many readers
of the list are aware of KOMIX, and even own an issue or two.

FRANCESCO:

> > It is also printed in Greek--literally!
>
> Tha last is its only flaw ;-)))

You could always sign that petition started by a bunch of (Portuguese?)
Euro MP's to start teaching Greek in all European schools, so that it
can become the official EU language. ;-)

DON:

> But what I'm told is that the Danish editions have made no effort to write
> the Kalevalian rune-o-meter or research the proper wordings, and the
> dialogue was not even printed in a special font, as simple as computers now
> make that. And if you've seen the story, this would mean that the point of
> the final panel will be lost!

If the Danes got this wrong, I shudder to think what will happen when
KOMIX gets around to printing that story, since both the language and
the story context are totally foreign to us. :-(

> (and certainly, I fully expect, later
> on also my publisher-friends in France and Greece and Italy) who *do* offer
******
Can you share any of the details?

> me the opportunity to help them in their extra efforts to make a story be
> everything it was meant to be for the readers.

I don't want to be pessimistic, but I seem to remember that KOMIX did not use
your input when they printed the Lo$. :-(

Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
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Francois Willot
Komix also publishes articles, which were sometimes taken from Gladstone
comics or articles on the Internet.

In Europe, "Zio Paperone" is one of the few Disney publications that
print artciles on Disney comics, and (off and on) "Picsou Magazine".
"I Maestri Disney" was a very good title for Disney comics fans, but it
has stopped publication.

Occasionally, one of these three titles publish special issues with many
texts and interesting illustrations. A very good Picsou issue is #269,
with interesting articles on Donald's origins, Taliaferro and others. I
have a special Komix issue which is also very good, with articles on
Massimo De Vita, Scarpa and other Italian artists.

"Zio Paperone" now publishes articles on American artists and writers--
most of them with very rare photos and drawings.

Many of the stories are not new, except new Danish stories by Rota, Van
Horn and others, or new Rosa stories, but most of the Barks stories in
"Picsou" were published in France long ago with a bad translation, and
most of the times, not in their original format. The Greek reprints in
Komix and Italian ones in Zio Paperone must be very good ones too.

Francois Willot
http://eclip2.ec-lille.fr/~willot/index.uk.html
Søren Krarup Olesen
"Dr. Archontis Pantsios" wrote:

> And I'm explaining myself: Søren seems to be dumbfounded and can't
> understand how on earth a comic that prints mostly Barks, Rosa, and Scarpa
> re-re-(whatever)-prints can qualify as one of the best Disney comic books in
> the world. I guess that he didn't pay much attention to the tiny detail that
> KOMIX is published in Greece and in Greek--hence, its target market is the
> Greek population--not Scandinavia, not Germany, not France,....

Ah well, let it be the best in Greece then, since it targets the Greek
readers so well.

> KOMIX may not have something new for Søren--or for many other people, who,
> for example, may get to read the original Rosa stories in Egmont's
> publications, or who had the chance to read Barks in the original in
> Gladstone's reprints. However, it offers many new things to its Greek
> readership, and it does it in an exceptional way.

So KOMIX is

1) For the Greek population and written in Greek.
2) Contains Barks re-re... which the rest of Europe has seen ad nauseam.

What exactly makes it so exquisite then? (except from the articles and
the glossy paper) If a comic is supposed to have an over-all interest to
the world, it should appeal to as many as possible, but your KOMIX
doesn't, and it was never intended to do so. Perhaps I am wrong, perhaps
the rest of Europe loves to read Barks' stories in Greek--in that case I
apologize.

Never mind, the two KOMIX I have are stuffed with stories I've seen
before, and this is not my idea of a "one of the best in Europe" mag.
Sorry.

Søren
Fluks, H.W.
The following was sent to me only, but I guess it is of interest to other
people as well.
--Harry.

> I think this is a "Studio production" story. Not published in the USA.
> The Australian publication is not in our database yet
> S 64023, 10 pages, art Jack Bradbury, Gyro "The Fishing Pied Piper", with
> Gyro, Donald, Gladstone, Scrooge.

It certainly does look like a "Studio production". The Australian
publication is G332 (1965) and titled as "Fishing Pied Piper" (without the
THE).
Søren Krarup Olesen
KRITON:

> Let's put it this way: if you could read any language fluently, and
> you were *forced* to read one of those re-re-re-prints, which comic
> book would you chose? If you wanted to own the best edition of one
> of said re-re-re-prints in a language that you cannot read, which one
> would you chose? Chances are that the answer to both questions would
> be KOMIX.

Now, *that* I can follow, and you may be right, especially if we assume
that nothing's lost in the translations. However

> Although I share your sentiments about KOMIX offering little to someone
> who owns a full run of Gladstone's output, I am amazed that many readers
> of the list are aware of KOMIX, and even own an issue or two.

most of Europe wouldn't need to have American issues to know about those
re-re's of Barks (and others). I am not speaking of a little group of
hard core collectors here who simply has everything. Nope. Egmont has
been reprinted those Barks stories for years in many countries and I
know they've seen a few reprints in Germany, France and Italy as well.

Søren
Georgios Balanikas
I have seen the "KALEVALA" story (thanks to my Finnish pal J.) and in my
opinion the artwork is superb. It reveals laborious and a long time
spending work , a mature classic Rosa story .
I don't think that it is a matter of dispute if this is the best Rosa's
story ever written or inferior to some of the previous. The fact is that
it's art is superb. I cannot judge the plot or the overall outcome, because
I do not understand Finnish. But,I ,for sure, can have my very positive view
about the artwork. I hope very soon to have it in it's English version or
maybe Greek (and sure it will look great in the KOMIX pages).
DON
We hope to see you sometime in the future here in Greece, I cannot promise
you to elect you as a President ,but you are welcomed with the traditional
Greek hospitality.
THANK you for this wonderful story.

Georgios Balanikas
Stefan Persson
>sorry if I appear to be a klutz, but can someone tell me exactly what KOMIX
>is? Is it a fanzine? Is it in English? And what exactly is the Rosa book
>that everyone 's talking about?
KOMIX is a Greek comic magazine. And it is in Greek.
The Norwegeian Don Rosa book is a book that contains comics made by Don Rosa
before he started to draw Disney comics. I've heard that it should be in
English.

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Stefan Persson
>Perhaps this Christmas-Album has also been printed in
>other Scandinavian countries????
It was at least published in Sweden.

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Francesco Spreafico
Soeren:

>Ah well, let it be the best in Greece then, since it targets the Greek
>readers so well.

Well, I don't understand one single woed in Greek... but I do like Komix
very much

>So KOMIX is
>1) For the Greek population and written in Greek.
>2) Contains Barks re-re... which the rest of Europe has seen ad nauseam.

>What exactly makes it so exquisite then? (except from the articles and
>the glossy paper) If a comic is supposed to have an over-all interest to
>the world, it should appeal to as many as possible, but your KOMIX
>doesn't, and it was never intended to do so. Perhaps I am wrong, perhaps
>the rest of Europe loves to read Barks' stories in Greek--in that case I
>apologize.

It seems to me you're mistaking *stories* with *publications*... I wouldn't
expect such a behaviour from you!! ;-))

If you're talking about *new* stories.. well, even the horrible nowadays
Topolino then is better than "Komix", "Zio Paperone" or the was "Maestri
Disney"... but we're not talking about stories.. we're talking about good
"magazines".. and those three are, while, for example, Topolino is generally
not, even though it has that ten useless new stories a week (some
exceptions.. Silvia Ziche on the latest two issues.. but that happens so
rarely...)

Sprea
Rodney W Bowcock Jr.
KOMIX is unquestionably one of the greatest Disney comics I've ever seen.
Every issue is put together with such care that its amazing. Any
members who haven't seen any copies of this book are enthusiastically
urged to get some. I'm currently getting current issues from a fellow
DCML member. But, does anyone know if a person in the US can subscribe
to this book and how much it would cost?

~~~Rodney.

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Stefan Persson
Don Rosa wrote:

>But now I am getting first reports from readers in Denmark who are
>confused. Now, I CANNOT READ DANISH... so I only know what I'm being told.
>But what I'm told is that the Danish editions have made no effort to write
>the Kalevalian rune-o-meter or research the proper wordings, and the
>dialogue was not even printed in a special font, as simple as computers now
>make that. And if you've seen the story, this would mean that the point of
>the final panel will be lost! If the rune-o-meter and font are not used on
>the dialogue in that final balloon, how would readers know who the old man
>really is who is speaking?
I don't have the Danish version, but in the Swedish version, the
rune-o-meter is used, and the rune-o-meter is written in a special font. The
translator has done a very well work translating the story. It seems to be
very good, but I haven't read the whole story yet (the issue containing the
last part has not been published yet), so I don't know about this particular
panel you mentioned. The last part will be published next Friday in Sweden.
Is it true that a page is missing from the book, or was it just something
you invented? The only bad thing is the colouring of the story. Why can't
Egmont do as good colouring as the French publishers?

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SRoweCanoe
In a message dated 12/2/99 6:00:52 AM Eastern Standard Time
Vic writes:

> One other thing: any SUPER DUCK fans out there? Or anyone with any
> information
> about BUGS BUNNY comics in the early fifties?
>

Can't say that I am a fan per-say of Super Duck, but I do know a little about
him. and ths same with the Bugs comics; so go ahead and ask your questions.

Steven Rowe
Frank Stajano
Does anybody know whether there exist any Japanese editions of Disney
comics? I'm not interested in whether they have a local production (I'm
pretty sure they don't), just in whether any comics with reprints of
western (US or European) stories exist, with the balloons lettered in Japanese.
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