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Anders Christian Sivebaek
Hi
The weekly came to my mail box today. The thrid part seems to be nicer
done than the first part, and the second part looked worst. In our
weekly that is. Don has nothing to do with them.
The third part is very nice, and there's 3 of the promissed notes at
the bottom of the page.
They tell that the music Louhi is playing on page 1 of part 3 is from
Wagners The Valcurie. They state that Don used this music-example
before... it wouldnøt surprise you that they didn't tell what story? I
thought so! It's beginning to seem so typical that they don't refer.
The man on page 5 of the part refers calls the Iku-Turso the
next-biggest frog, and there's a note about CK. That's the first time
ever I heard about one of Don's pre-disney-comic in the weekly.
Ribit!
What's happening on that page 30? Is Vainamoinen offering $crooge to go
with him to relive the days of the Gold Rush??
As they didn't use any special font in the danish translation you're
not actually able to see who the old guy in the last panel is. But if
you read what he says, it's quite obvious. He talks about collecting
the Sampo in a wayn that no modern dane would speak. And Vainamoine
speaks the same way

Reactions for previous list:
ME, KRITON:
> > the o with a small line with it, when the letter is small.
> (O with a small line in it?)
not in it, after it. You know what I mean.

> I once suggested to Don that he hellenize his name to "Donios
> Triantafyllos", like 19th century scholars used to do. (The first
name
> is just his name with a greek suffix, while the last name is a male
> greek name derived from the greek word for "rose".)
Sounds nice, but it wouldn't have been very recognisable to a foreigner

who could only read the letters...

DON
> Any ideas? Me? Well, yeah, I mean, I wasn't on drugs or something
when I
> drew it.
I hope I didn't insinuate that?

> You've made some incorrect assumptions in your efforts to figure
> out what's going on.
Yes, I see and thanks for the explanation. I didn't know it was from a
painting...

> But I see I was quite right when I suggested to the
> Germans (who needed a Kalevala cover to go with this story when they
use it
> as the special feature of their #1-2000 issue) that they not use that
book
> cover inasmuch as it was designed to only be understood by Finns and
art
> historians. (Note: for those who care, that means that the German
MICKY
> MAUS #1-2000 will have a different Kalevala cover that I drew just
for that
> issue... I guess it won't appear anywhere else.
This is going to be xpensive for the completist of Rosa-comics!
He'll have to get the book, the german issues

> Well... maybe it might be
> used when the Finns reprint the Kalevala story in their AKU ANKKA
weekly
> next year... and, another note -- at that time I will *add pages* to
the 33
> page story to flesh out the parts that I unavoidably had to truncate
to fit
> into that page-count. I estimate it will end up at just below 40
pages.)
and this finnish version too then. So are those extra-pages made as
rows of panels
like in the 19-page version of chapter 12 of Lo$? or are they full
pages?

> But back to the Kalevala book cover. No, I'm not sure what you mean
by the
> characters in the upper right being the Kalevala characters who
appear in
> the book -- that's not the idea.
Well, I couldn't think up another way to say it. cause now when I know
it, I see that I wouldn't have known who they were. except for that
Beagle Boy.

> As to "the Kantele on Gyro's stick"... that's a kantele, okay, but
it's in
> the sea beyond the "stick". (If it looks like it's on Gyro's spear,
I'll
> blame Akseli, that's how he painted it!)
Okay, It's in the sea then.

> But that's how Gallen-Kallela
> signed his painting, on Vainemoinen's pike-jaw kantele that had just
been
> lost into the sea. He had written "Gallen-Kallela 1896" on his
painted
> kantele, so when I copied it, it seemed appropriate that I sign "Don
Rosa
> after Gallen-Kallela 1999" in the same spot.
Nice detail.

S
> OK, so the cain is in order. However, did the last page of the
Finnish book
> appear in the prints of the story in other countries - and if it
didn't, did
> poor $crooge get his _hat_ back at all?
That the other puiblishers didn't publish the page, doesn't have to
mean that it didn't happen!

JANNE

> The text goes: "Don Rosa after Gallen Kallela 1999"
>
http://www.niksula.cs.hut.fi/~xyu/kale-gb/pics/gallen/sammon_puolustus.j
pg
Thanks for the link :-)

And Louhi has a Mickey Mouse bikini on her in the cover... Of course.
Yes, of course. I was beginning to wonder where I should look for the
next Mickey, and then it was there.

EVEN
> What was that? You are going to make another seven pages and only the
Finns
> get to see them?? Howl and anguish - cannot someone talk somebody
> into making an English complete copy
Wasn't this what you said Helsinki Media was going to do, Don?
David Rawson
Anders Christian Sivebaek wrote:

> BTW: Do you get the publications of a story like that,

No, we're not routinely given any copies of our published stories.
I don't even know when or if one my stories is published somewhere
other than the initial Egmont related publications. That's why
it's always a joy to learn a tale has reached beyond the initial
audience.

> or do you need help from readers to get it?

Gosh, that would be great if anyone wants to help out. I'd be
happy to work out some kind of trade or reimbursement. Thanks for
asking!

Best,
Sanna-Maaria Tornivaara
I'm so sorry for accidentally quoting nearly an entire digest in my last
mailing... A simple mistake: trying to write my signature I instead of
Shift+S hit Ctrl+S and the message was on its way! I hope I'll manage to
be more careful in the future.

> From: "Don Rosa" <(Email removed)>

> Well... maybe it might be
> used when the Finns reprint the Kalevala story in their AKU ANKKA
weekly
> next year... and, another note -- at that time I will *add pages* to
the 33
> page story to flesh out the parts that I unavoidably had to truncate
to fit
> into that page-count. I estimate it will end up at just below 40
pages.)

Do you have any idea when this will take place?

Sanna-Maaria Tornivaara
PSFr
WUNDERWURM, STEAMBOAT WILLIE, PER-ERIK and HARRY

Thanks a lot for all the useful info on the published sets with
Gottfredsons MM dailys. It sure cleared up a lot of things for me (and
others too, probably). But as usual: the more info you get; the more
questions you can ask... ;-)

As I get it, there are *two* main editions. One printed by "Comic Book Club
Germany" (CBCG) and one by Nichols (I assume this Nichols is John Nichols
of Bear Mountain Ent. ?). The Nichols edition should be printed as 200 hard
bound sets. This much I get!

The German edition I am still a bit uncertain about. Are we talking 500
copies of *each* of the 26 yearly collections (books/slipcases) or does
this number vary over the years (as it did with AR's Barks Library b&w,
where the print runs on the later issued sets in general are smaller than
for the early ones).

Also on the German edition; this variation between books and slipcases
(Portfolio), does this occur *within* the same year? I mean would it be
possible to collect a full set consisting of *either* loose pages *or*
bound books? This also leads me to ask if the total number for the CBCG
edition is really 500 (Portfolio) + 300 (books) = 800 ??? (Not to confuse
things further I neglect the number of only 20 copies of the books...)

About the contents: Is it strictly just the dailys or are there other stuff
in there as well like articles, interviews, additional art or pictures? I
understand that the prints are done from newspaper prints, not original
stats? Are these editions really boot-leg or did they have Disney's
blessing when they were done? It sounds a bit strange that collectors would
not make an effort to achieve the best quality when doing such a massive
and expensive collection.

- Poul Frokjar, Denmark

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Bror.Hellman
> The Nichols edition should be printed as 200 hard
> bound sets. This much I get!

Yes, it was Nichols version I saw. 200 numbered and harbound copies.

> About the contents: Is it strictly just the dailys or are
> there other stuff in there as well like articles, interviews,
> additional art or pictures? I

Strictly dailies. Nothing much else what I could see.

> understand that the prints are done from newspaper prints,
> not original stats?

Yes.

> Are these editions really boot-leg or did they have Disney's
> blessing when they were done?

They had Disney's blessing when they were done. The CB portfolio
were discontinued when Another Rainbow aquired the rights and did CBL.

Also, the MM portfolio also had to be discontinued.
I know Horst Schröder had to stop selling most of his copies.

I presume the unsold copies are still somewhere in the Basement of
Epix Verlag in Stockholm, but noone really knows but Horst.
Epix can not sell these copies. That much I know.

> It sounds a bit strange that collectors would
> not make an effort to achieve the best quality when doing
> such a massive and expensive collection.

Actually, they *did*. Most of these early dailys are rare or
disappeared almost completely.

Horst Schröder found a swiss collector who had found all these
strips in some, I think it was an Italian, archive. He bought
the strips from this collector and lent them to Nichols.. at
least, so I am told. I wasn't present at the time.

All strip-collections I have seen originates from that Swiss batch.

The originals are either buried in som U.S. archive or, more propably,
burned... Most strips, and many other comic-originals were burned a year
or two from the publishing date. Lack of storage-space I think.

I just wish I could get my hands on a portfolio for myself someday... ;-)

Steamboat Willie
Abdulmonem Abbas
HI..
I'm new in this list,I?m an Arabian garland I read Disney comics in
Arabic language, and ofcourse with the Arabic characters names, so can
you tell me as much as you can the tree of donald family in english
names..in order to understand which characters you are talking about.
Also can you tell me how could you now the artists who drew each comic ?
and what do the number in the first image from every story means? And I
just want you to know that the Arabic comics mag I read, started in the
year 1994 only so, I don't have enough knowledge of comics but I would
like to.
Kriton Kyrimis
ANDERS CHRISTIAN:

> > > the o with a small line with it, when the letter is small.
> > (O with a small line in it?)
> not in it, after it. You know what I mean.

Do you mean the sigma, i.e., the third letter in the greek version of
Don's name, which looks a bit like "Pooa"?

> Sounds nice, but it wouldn't have been very recognisable to a foreigner
> who could only read the letters...

Hellenizing one's name does not simply mean to make up a greek version
of it; it also means *adopting* it! Thus, if Don hellenized his name,
people of the future, reading old archives of this list, would have a
hard time figuring out who was that "Don Rosa" guy, to whom every one
kept referring! :-)

Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
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Anders Christian Sivebaek
> From: Mike Pohjola <(Email removed)>

> Today's issue of Aku Ankka had a story where Donald tried to get to
the
> post office to send his Xmas cards. There's a huge line in front of
the
> office to which he comments: "What's this? Is don giving autographs
> again?"
What a great comment to the event last month. In the dansih one he's
wondering if the
workers are striking. It's great that the finns put their own version
there... Nice story too.
Marco Barlotti
At 12.00 15/12/99 +0100, Anders Christian Sivebaek" <(Email removed)>
wrote:
>
>
>I've now seen a certain charecter in 3 issues of the danish weekly. 3
>weeklies from the 60'es. A duck who lives as a neighbour to Donald. He
>looks very strang, and his beak is... wow...
>His name in danish is Hr. Naevenyttig, mening something like annoying

In Italian it was "signor Asfissietti". Same meaning ;-)
Artist unknown (and anyway I would'n call that "art"...) possibly from
South America.

Marco
Don Rosa
From: "Anders Christian Sivebaek"
>>>>>They tell that the music Louhi is playing on page 1 of part 3 is from
Wagners The Valcurie. The man on page 5 of the part refers calls the
Iku-Turso the
next-biggest frog, and there's a note about CK. That's the first time
ever I heard about one of Don's pre-disney-comic in the weekly.

Now this is very strange! That joke about the "second biggest frog" has
nothing whatsoever to do with my old "Captain Kentucky" strips. The
Norwegian translator had planned to insert such a comment, but I told him
it was a good guess, but wrong... and as far as I know, it was deleted from
the footnotes in Norway. I know it was not used in Sweden, the only part-3
issue I've seen. But the poor Danes! It looks like they somehow found time
to catch on to the fact that they were missing out on lots of important
stuff by not asking about the intentions of the writer, and somehow (was
there time?) managed to get some extra info for their 3rd chapter, and it
was *wrong* info. They can't win!

>>>What's happening on that page 30? Is Vainamoinen offering $crooge to go
with him to relive the days of the Gold Rush??

I don't know what the Danish translation says or if the translator
understood what my dialogue meant. But in my original, Vainemoinen is
telling $crooge that they have a lot in common with their love of a
beautiful land of the North... then he asks $crooge if he'd rather go to
Kalevala with the Sampo and be wealthy for all eternity, and thereby lose
the chance to ever return to the earthly realm where a lost love still
awaits him. Nowhere do I have V. asking $crooge if he wants to go relive
the Klondike days with him. Izzat what it sez in Danish???
Speaking of misinterpretations in that section, the only bit of screwy
coloring comes in the last panel of the next page where I show a close-up
of a Sampo-snowflake. The colorists don't seem to ever read the stories and
rely strictly on coloring-notes, and I can't always think of all the
different ways that the drawings can be misunderstood by someone not
reading the text. But the colorist did not seem to know that snowflake had
anything to do with the Sampo (it's a top-view of it) and rather than
coloring it gold, he/she/they colored it *white with a bright red
center*... like they thought it was Iku-Turso's big bloodshot eye or
something. I wonder how many readers were perplexed by that panel!?

...> Any ideas? Me? Well, yeah, I mean, I wasn't on drugs or something
when I drew it.
>>>I hope I didn't insinuate that?

No, I was making a bad joke. But you said you didn't understand what my
cover (or something)represented, and you asked me if I had any ideas.... in
English, that sounded like you thought I might not know what I was doing
myself.

>>>>>So are those extra-pages made as
rows of panels like in the 19-page version of chapter 12 of Lo$? or are
they full
pages?

I dunno -- it will be a long time before I need to plan them out. But the
easiest way to do it will be full pages. And the next easiest will be
half-pages. Adding single panels gets *really really* messy!!!

> What was that? You are going to make another seven pages and only the
Finns
> get to see them?? Howl and anguish - cannot someone talk somebody
> into making an English complete copy
>>>Wasn't this what you said Helsinki Media was going to do, Don?

When/if HMC decides to do an English version of this story, those extra
pages may not have been done yet. And as to whether HMC *does* do an
English version, they have an idea how, but I have my doubts they can get
away with it. They will run afoul of the Disney Company who insists that
each separate language requires an entirely separate license, which HMC
does not have. As I said, HMC has a plan around this and to make this still
part of their license. But whether they have a legitimate method to do that
won't matter when they are dealing with a corporation which will say "Oh,
yeah? Well, just the same, DON'T DO IT, see?". But I wish them luck.
Halsten Aastebol
At 09:10 16.12.99 -0500, Don Rosa wrote:

>Now this is very strange! That joke about the "second biggest frog" has
>nothing whatsoever to do with my old "Captain Kentucky" strips. The
>Norwegian translator had planned to insert such a comment, but I told him
>it was a good guess, but wrong... and as far as I know, it was deleted from
>the footnotes in Norway.

Nope! It was there in Norway too!

Halsten
Paolo Castagno
Hello,

I just read the last message from "wunderwurm", announcing his
scans from the story "MM on a secret mission" by coincidence I
just scanned the same story (as told few days ago), and I
uploaded it on

http://members.xoom.it/_XOOM/inducks/appo/MMscans/

You can also reach it following the link from

http://members.xoom.it/inducks

it is complete, but it is in Italian, taken from the weekly
supplement to "Il Messaggero".... a very interesting publication,
IMO.

Ciao,

- Paolo

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Alecto
I can't find this 28 page story in the index ,does anyone know if it has
another title?
http://www.goulburn.net.au/~alecto/d146-2.jpg

Alecto.
Andrae
Dear Diseny fans:

I have followed the discussion of the reproduction of the Gottfredson
Mickey Mouse strips with sdome interest. I'm the one who collected the
strips and had Byron Erickson reroduce them in Arizona. The collection did
not include film material but consisted of proof sheets from Mickey artist
Bill Wright and Horst Scroeder who supplied them for the years of 1946 to
1955. I supplied the Mickey fan card that Gottfredson drew and was given
to fans in 1931.

In addition to the proof sheets Bill Blackbeard of the San Francisco
Academy of Comic Art supplied some dialiy strips that were missing. Other
early daily strips came from a collection I had obtained elsewhere. In all
we produced 20 sets of the Mickey dailies.

Byron Erickson's chronology and list of sources for the Mickey Mouse daily
strips in the Mickey in Color book also patly came from me. I worked on
the book with Bruce Hamilton and Geoffrey Blum. At the time Geoff and I
were editors of the Carl Barks Library. I hope that this note clarifies
the events surrounding the Gottfredson books. It was always a dream of
mine to see these collected in some form and Floyd was also quite pleased
to see the effort that we had taken in preserving them for posterity.

Thomas Andrae

Robin Andrae
Tom Andrae
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Gwtank
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