In a message dated 12/19/99 6:00:57
don R. writes:
> No, no, no. You're getting this all confused. Please tell me exactly what
> is said in that translation. In my original script, Vainemoinen says that
> he and $crooge share a love of a beautiful land of ice and snow, to which
> $crooge says "The Yukon?".
So, does Uncle Scrooge have an admiration of the poems of Robert Service?
Steven Rowe
Author
Topic: 199912
(374 messages)
SRoweCanoe
Yukon
Message 241 -
1999-12-19 at 15:32:23
Anders Christian Sivebaek
Gary, Arie, Don
Message 242 -
1999-12-19 at 15:42:11
GARY PANTZER
Good luck:-)
> I am hoping that someone on the list here can purchase a copy of
> the German MICKY MAUS #1-2000 (Kalevala cover) for me.
I wonder: when someone gets the mag if they would scan the cover and
put it online somewhere? I hope the german translation, colouring,
noting is better than the danish
one (How could it not be??)
ARIE
> BTW, while i'm here, may i ask a question. Several DCML mails ago,
someone
> brought up the topic U$ 179 which sold for $1500+
> Can someone please tell me what's the special thing in the book that
carry
> up the price so high?
It is said to have been published in not as high amount as was usual,
and many of the issues went to Europe.
> And what are the stories in the book anyway???
among other things a barks-stories from an other Uncle $crooge
magazine, and one would probably be able to find that story many places
else. But if you read exactly that issue as a kid
it would prbably be special to you.
DON ROSA
Is that NOT the order in which your translator has my dialogue???
> Lawrd, I hope so. I get tired worrying about how key moments of
dialogue
> and meaning are being screwed up here!
They did make the right order in the dialogue, i see that now. Guess
they "only" schrewed up 5 or 6 other places...
Good luck:-)
> I am hoping that someone on the list here can purchase a copy of
> the German MICKY MAUS #1-2000 (Kalevala cover) for me.
I wonder: when someone gets the mag if they would scan the cover and
put it online somewhere? I hope the german translation, colouring,
noting is better than the danish
one (How could it not be??)
ARIE
> BTW, while i'm here, may i ask a question. Several DCML mails ago,
someone
> brought up the topic U$ 179 which sold for $1500+
> Can someone please tell me what's the special thing in the book that
carry
> up the price so high?
It is said to have been published in not as high amount as was usual,
and many of the issues went to Europe.
> And what are the stories in the book anyway???
among other things a barks-stories from an other Uncle $crooge
magazine, and one would probably be able to find that story many places
else. But if you read exactly that issue as a kid
it would prbably be special to you.
DON ROSA
Is that NOT the order in which your translator has my dialogue???
> Lawrd, I hope so. I get tired worrying about how key moments of
dialogue
> and meaning are being screwed up here!
They did make the right order in the dialogue, i see that now. Guess
they "only" schrewed up 5 or 6 other places...
Ole Reichstein Nielsen
N<ae>venyttig
Message 243 -
1999-12-19 at 17:00:56
According to my dictionary in Danish the adjective
'nævenyttig' means 'officious'. Or a 'busy-body', I think.
Such a person would be doing 'bear favors' (ill turns,
disservices) to use another Danish idiom frequent in titles
for Disney stories.
oLe
_U
'nævenyttig' means 'officious'. Or a 'busy-body', I think.
Such a person would be doing 'bear favors' (ill turns,
disservices) to use another Danish idiom frequent in titles
for Disney stories.
oLe
_U
Esben Kindt
Kalevala translation
Message 244 -
1999-12-19 at 21:12:32
Don Rosa wrote:
> No, no, no. You're getting this all confused. Please tell me exactly what
> is said in that translation. In my original script, Vainemoinen says that
> he and $crooge share a love of a beautiful land of ice and snow, to which
> $crooge says "The Yukon?". Then (*afterwards*) Vainy says that a lost love
> awaits $crooge in his own Kalevala. $crooge does NOT say "Yukon" in reply
> to that. Is that NOT the order in which your translator has my dialogue???
> Lawrd, I hope so. I get tired worrying about how key moments of dialogue
> and meaning are being screwed up here!
I'll intrude on this discussion to give a translation of the dialogue.
Actually I think that what you have written above sums it up pretty well, so
there does not seem to have been a mistake by the translator in this case. I
think the danish dialogue works better than in previous stories, but I still
feel I miss out on a lot when they have not followed the rune-o-meter.
Hopefully the Finnish publisher will be able to print the story in English.
Anyway, here is my translation of the danish dialogue:
Vainemoinen: I shall travel beyond the northern lights. Do you have the
courage to follow? Does Sampo mean that much to you?
V: In that case I will give you a present Scrooge, for you have saved me
from
exile and rebuilt Sampo.
V: We are alike. Your love of ice and snow, of the beauty of the northern
lands...
Scrooge: Yukon?
V: Will you follow me and attain eternal wealth? Will you forsake your own
Kalevala, where an old love still awaits you?
S: No!
^Esben
PS: I just reread the story and discovered that OSO must be a very old
company indeed. Wonderful background gag.
> No, no, no. You're getting this all confused. Please tell me exactly what
> is said in that translation. In my original script, Vainemoinen says that
> he and $crooge share a love of a beautiful land of ice and snow, to which
> $crooge says "The Yukon?". Then (*afterwards*) Vainy says that a lost love
> awaits $crooge in his own Kalevala. $crooge does NOT say "Yukon" in reply
> to that. Is that NOT the order in which your translator has my dialogue???
> Lawrd, I hope so. I get tired worrying about how key moments of dialogue
> and meaning are being screwed up here!
I'll intrude on this discussion to give a translation of the dialogue.
Actually I think that what you have written above sums it up pretty well, so
there does not seem to have been a mistake by the translator in this case. I
think the danish dialogue works better than in previous stories, but I still
feel I miss out on a lot when they have not followed the rune-o-meter.
Hopefully the Finnish publisher will be able to print the story in English.
Anyway, here is my translation of the danish dialogue:
Vainemoinen: I shall travel beyond the northern lights. Do you have the
courage to follow? Does Sampo mean that much to you?
V: In that case I will give you a present Scrooge, for you have saved me
from
exile and rebuilt Sampo.
V: We are alike. Your love of ice and snow, of the beauty of the northern
lands...
Scrooge: Yukon?
V: Will you follow me and attain eternal wealth? Will you forsake your own
Kalevala, where an old love still awaits you?
S: No!
^Esben
PS: I just reread the story and discovered that OSO must be a very old
company indeed. Wonderful background gag.
Ridout
DCML digest, Vol 1 #24 - 6 msgs
Message 245 -
1999-12-20 at 03:36:13
DON:
Your comment on the importance of practice was very, very well said. I get
extremely tired of my friends saying that they wish that they could draw
like me. They completely fail to notice the fact that I have been taking art
lessons since I was 6 years old. It is amazing how many people do not
realize the extreme amount of work that goes into being good at something.
I do not believe that it is merely becoming good at drawing that will make a
good cartoonist, though. I think that English and History are nearly as
important. As you've proved with your amazing stories about the Yukon, etc.
Having a good background in history (and doing lots of supplementary
research) can really add a lot more demension to a story. And good art does
not save a bad story, so a cartoonist needs a lot of experience at writing
well, and storytelling (I know you agree with me on this one). I hope to
become a cartoonist some day as well. This year I am filling out my college
applications, and to many of my friends suprise, I have decided not to go to
art school. I'm going to attend a liberal arts college and minor in either
history or english (still going to major in art, though), because I feel
this will give me a much more well-rounded education and help me in pursuing
my career.
Finally, I have never recovered since 'Nick at Nite' took my favorite t.v.
show off the air when I was 11 (*sob*). How I miss Don Adams! My very first
purchase on ebay was a 'Get Smart' agent 99 ring, and NOBODY has the
slightest idea who the picture on it is. Glad to hear you're a fan too...
rebecca
Your comment on the importance of practice was very, very well said. I get
extremely tired of my friends saying that they wish that they could draw
like me. They completely fail to notice the fact that I have been taking art
lessons since I was 6 years old. It is amazing how many people do not
realize the extreme amount of work that goes into being good at something.
I do not believe that it is merely becoming good at drawing that will make a
good cartoonist, though. I think that English and History are nearly as
important. As you've proved with your amazing stories about the Yukon, etc.
Having a good background in history (and doing lots of supplementary
research) can really add a lot more demension to a story. And good art does
not save a bad story, so a cartoonist needs a lot of experience at writing
well, and storytelling (I know you agree with me on this one). I hope to
become a cartoonist some day as well. This year I am filling out my college
applications, and to many of my friends suprise, I have decided not to go to
art school. I'm going to attend a liberal arts college and minor in either
history or english (still going to major in art, though), because I feel
this will give me a much more well-rounded education and help me in pursuing
my career.
Finally, I have never recovered since 'Nick at Nite' took my favorite t.v.
show off the air when I was 11 (*sob*). How I miss Don Adams! My very first
purchase on ebay was a 'Get Smart' agent 99 ring, and NOBODY has the
slightest idea who the picture on it is. Glad to hear you're a fan too...
rebecca
Gary Pantzer
German MICKY MAUS #1-2000 (Part 2)
Message 246 -
1999-12-20 at 06:23:23
In a recent DCML, I asked if anyone here could purchase the
German MICKY MAUS #1-2000 (Kalevala cover) for me. I
have received an offer of help, but my new friend needs to know
when this issue will be on sale at the 'stands'. Any help ? Thanks.
Gary Pantzer
(Email removed)
German MICKY MAUS #1-2000 (Kalevala cover) for me. I
have received an offer of help, but my new friend needs to know
when this issue will be on sale at the 'stands'. Any help ? Thanks.
Gary Pantzer
(Email removed)
HoyMurphy
Unpublished Rosa Stories
Message 247 -
1999-12-20 at 06:26:27
Don:
How many stories have you completed that have not yet been printed in the
U.S.? I now from speaking to you at Mid-Ohio Con that you are not hopeful
for a resumption for regular publication of Disney Comics in the U.S., but it
seems to me that perhaps a one-shot or annual publication of a collection of
your new stories might be easier to accomplish. It's been a year now since
we've seen anything new.
By the way, I had saved the last issue of WDC&S for a special occasion, and I
read it to my two children this week. We all enjoyed the Pigmy Indian story,
but now we have no new Rosa stories to look forward to.
--your pal, hoy
How many stories have you completed that have not yet been printed in the
U.S.? I now from speaking to you at Mid-Ohio Con that you are not hopeful
for a resumption for regular publication of Disney Comics in the U.S., but it
seems to me that perhaps a one-shot or annual publication of a collection of
your new stories might be easier to accomplish. It's been a year now since
we've seen anything new.
By the way, I had saved the last issue of WDC&S for a special occasion, and I
read it to my two children this week. We all enjoyed the Pigmy Indian story,
but now we have no new Rosa stories to look forward to.
--your pal, hoy
Gary Pantzer
Nevermind....
Message 248 -
1999-12-20 at 06:34:30
Ignore my previous post. I just found out the info I requested (the
release date of MICKY MAUS #1-2000 (Kalevala cover) .
gary
release date of MICKY MAUS #1-2000 (Kalevala cover) .
gary
Arie Fachrisal
Comic code???
Message 249 -
1999-12-20 at 07:20:05
Hi,
thanks Stephan about the codes. Now i know about DD, DDA, US means but i
just checking out my collection and found this code: DDOS 1150 (it's Barks
story about Daisy's Diary). Can't figure out the DDOS meaning. Help???;-)
BTW, about the numbers??? Recent published works have this numbers after the
codes. But is there any meaning to it? Or are the numbers just some kind of
"serial numbers" to ease up archiving the stories to Disney database?
He-lp???;-) PS some numbers are about the mag's number when the story is
first published but what about for example: H 8935
Thanks,
Arie Fachrisal:-)
thanks Stephan about the codes. Now i know about DD, DDA, US means but i
just checking out my collection and found this code: DDOS 1150 (it's Barks
story about Daisy's Diary). Can't figure out the DDOS meaning. Help???;-)
BTW, about the numbers??? Recent published works have this numbers after the
codes. But is there any meaning to it? Or are the numbers just some kind of
"serial numbers" to ease up archiving the stories to Disney database?
He-lp???;-) PS some numbers are about the mag's number when the story is
first published but what about for example: H 8935
Thanks,
Arie Fachrisal:-)
Stefan Persson
Comic code???
Message 250 -
1999-12-20 at 09:54:30
>From: "Arie Fachrisal" <(Email removed)>
>DDOS 1150 (it's Barks story about Daisy's Diary). Can't figure out the DDOS
>meaning. Help???;-)
It means that it is from Donald Duck One-Shot 1150.
>H 8935
89 is the year (1989). 35 means that it is the 35th story from that year. H
means that it comes from Holland.
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>DDOS 1150 (it's Barks story about Daisy's Diary). Can't figure out the DDOS
>meaning. Help???;-)
It means that it is from Donald Duck One-Shot 1150.
>H 8935
89 is the year (1989). 35 means that it is the 35th story from that year. H
means that it comes from Holland.
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Fluks, H.W.
Comic code???
Message 251 -
1999-12-20 at 11:17:08
Arie:
> Can't figure out the DDOS meaning. Help???;-)
> BTW, about the numbers???
Lots of information that may answer your questions can be found at:
http://members.xoom.com/bolderbast/xproduct.html
Follow the various links from there.
--Harry.
> Can't figure out the DDOS meaning. Help???;-)
> BTW, about the numbers???
Lots of information that may answer your questions can be found at:
http://members.xoom.com/bolderbast/xproduct.html
Follow the various links from there.
--Harry.
Fluks, H.W.
Yukon
Message 252 -
1999-12-20 at 11:18:47
Steve:
> So, does Uncle Scrooge have an admiration of the poems of
> Robert Service?
He must have. He quoted him at least twice (once in a Barks story, "Looney
Lunar Gold Rush", and once in a Rosa story, "Last Sled to Dawson").
--Harry.
> So, does Uncle Scrooge have an admiration of the poems of
> Robert Service?
He must have. He quoted him at least twice (once in a Barks story, "Looney
Lunar Gold Rush", and once in a Rosa story, "Last Sled to Dawson").
--Harry.
Fluks, H.W.
Talent
Message 253 -
1999-12-20 at 11:30:51
Don Rosa to Abdulmonem Abbas:
> No one is "gifted" with a "talent".
I must disagree here. Some people definitely have a talent for things.
Which doesn't mean that people don't work hard to achieve things. Most of
them do. But some people can do things much easier than others can.
For instance, people like Daan Jippes and Marco Rota have a talent for
drawing.
> I think when someone claims that people draw well because
> they are born
> with "talent" is both an insult to the artist and the claimant -- it
> suggests that the artist did not have to work a lifetime to become as
> skilled as he is, and it suggests that the speaker was
> incapable of doing
> just as good if he had really tried long enough.
Well, in that case I just insulted Jippes, Rota, and myself. I *know* I will
never draw Ducks as good as they do. And if I would try, it will never be as
"easy" for me as it is for them. (Note the quotes around "easy" - I'm not
saying that they don't have to work to make their drawings.)
> And if you want
> to be a something more than a mere artist... a "cartoonist"
> (someone who
> tells stories with drawings), watch lotsa old movies and read
> lotsa old
> comics. (I say "old" because I don't think you can become a good
> storyteller based on a background strictly of modern American
> movies, with
> their utter disconcern with logic or pacing, or from modern
> American comics
> with their lack of plots and characterisation and humor.
> Those are lost arts.)
Of course, the world does not end with America. Abdulmonem can also look at
*recent* comics from Italy, France, Denmark, Holland. Lots of very good
artists there.
--Harry.
> No one is "gifted" with a "talent".
I must disagree here. Some people definitely have a talent for things.
Which doesn't mean that people don't work hard to achieve things. Most of
them do. But some people can do things much easier than others can.
For instance, people like Daan Jippes and Marco Rota have a talent for
drawing.
> I think when someone claims that people draw well because
> they are born
> with "talent" is both an insult to the artist and the claimant -- it
> suggests that the artist did not have to work a lifetime to become as
> skilled as he is, and it suggests that the speaker was
> incapable of doing
> just as good if he had really tried long enough.
Well, in that case I just insulted Jippes, Rota, and myself. I *know* I will
never draw Ducks as good as they do. And if I would try, it will never be as
"easy" for me as it is for them. (Note the quotes around "easy" - I'm not
saying that they don't have to work to make their drawings.)
> And if you want
> to be a something more than a mere artist... a "cartoonist"
> (someone who
> tells stories with drawings), watch lotsa old movies and read
> lotsa old
> comics. (I say "old" because I don't think you can become a good
> storyteller based on a background strictly of modern American
> movies, with
> their utter disconcern with logic or pacing, or from modern
> American comics
> with their lack of plots and characterisation and humor.
> Those are lost arts.)
Of course, the world does not end with America. Abdulmonem can also look at
*recent* comics from Italy, France, Denmark, Holland. Lots of very good
artists there.
--Harry.
Fluks, H.W.
female artists, Popop
Message 254 -
1999-12-20 at 11:39:31
Arie:
> > There have been dozens of female inkers, and a few
> > pencillers/artists too - for instance Wilma van den Bosch,
> > Marga Querol.
> But are those names duck artists or colorists?
Pencillers/artists.
> Some
> female colorists i know are Susan Daigle-Leach and Linda
> Monez.
I'm not sure Sue would like it if you call her a colorist... 8-)
(We had a discussion about that on this list, some time ago.)
> Those 2
> names you gave me, i really never heard of them before.
> Wonder where can i find info about them.
Try browsing through Per's website
(http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/dcml/index.html).
Wilma is Dutch, and Marga works for the Comicup studio in Spain. I guess not
a lot of their work has been published in your country.
--Harry.
> > There have been dozens of female inkers, and a few
> > pencillers/artists too - for instance Wilma van den Bosch,
> > Marga Querol.
> But are those names duck artists or colorists?
Pencillers/artists.
> Some
> female colorists i know are Susan Daigle-Leach and Linda
> Monez.
I'm not sure Sue would like it if you call her a colorist... 8-)
(We had a discussion about that on this list, some time ago.)
> Those 2
> names you gave me, i really never heard of them before.
> Wonder where can i find info about them.
Try browsing through Per's website
(http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/dcml/index.html).
Wilma is Dutch, and Marga works for the Comicup studio in Spain. I guess not
a lot of their work has been published in your country.
--Harry.
Fluks, H.W.
Abbas
Message 255 -
1999-12-20 at 12:00:58
Abdulmonem Abbas:
> Well..i don't know how to thank you Stefan, you gave a tanker of
> information which I'll never forget, but how could you know the artist
> name like Don Rosa and others?
There are a few possibilities to know:
1. the names are printed in the comics.
2. the names are printed in articles about comics in other magazines.
3. the names are mentioned in our "Inducks" database
(http://here.is/inducks).
4. the artists themselves tell us their name. For instance on this mailing
list. 8-)
--Harry.
> Well..i don't know how to thank you Stefan, you gave a tanker of
> information which I'll never forget, but how could you know the artist
> name like Don Rosa and others?
There are a few possibilities to know:
1. the names are printed in the comics.
2. the names are printed in articles about comics in other magazines.
3. the names are mentioned in our "Inducks" database
(http://here.is/inducks).
4. the artists themselves tell us their name. For instance on this mailing
list. 8-)
--Harry.