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Very non-Disney matter below.

Kriton,

| Forgive an ignorant greek for asking: a greek pirate fleet? The only
| greek pirates of which I am aware were active in the Aegean sea at the
| time of the turkish occupation.

They were of a quite different kind than the ones in the Aegean sea,
but they were still called pirates.

In the late fifties, when the traditional whale catching nations started
to get problems in the Antarctic because of lack of whales, a lot of rules
were introduced, including maximum catch quotas and measures for how
small/young the whales could be. There were also declared times for where
an when whales of different kinds could be taken.
The rules started with the foundation of IWC many years earlier, but it
wasn't until it really showed up that it was needed, that real regulations
were started. NOTE: At this time the IWC really was an organization
supposed to regulate whale catching so that all whale populations would
remain sustainable, and not a tool for Greenpeace.

The maximum of whales that should be taken were calculated from countings
and number of taken whales the last season. Then it was divided into
quotas which was shared between the expeditions that had been catching
for the last years. An expedition consisted of a floating factory or a
land based whaling station, and its fleet of catcher ships.

The quotas were given to Norwegian, British, Russian, Japanese and Dutch
expeditions. It might have worked if everyone followed the rules, but in
the end it didn't. The Dutch withdrew from IWC because they meant there
were enough whales for unlimited catching. Then the Norwegians withdrew
in protest that the organization didn't work. The Russians always reported
their catches as much bigger than they were, so that their quotas would
be bigger next year. The Brits and the Japanese followed the rules, but
the Japanese were the only ones who were effective enough to make a good
economical result of it.

On top of this, Aristotle Onassis equipped a whaling fleet, registered it
in Panama, and broke every rule he could. His fleet simply emptied big
areas for whale - any kinds - by catching everything no matter how old
they were. His fleet were also working all the time, including times when
catching was not supposed to be done.

This is not to excuse the other nations, though. When every regulation
broke down, the philosophy for the British and Norwegian fleets - the
latter was by far the biggest of them all - was to catch about everything
until there weren't enough left to make it economically profitable, and
then invest the profit in other business.

Now, sorry for the long non-Disney text, but I felt I had to explain
that.

Jørgen

Stefan:

> Sweden: Kalle Anka & C:O 48/99
> Denmark: Anders And & C:O 48/99

Will you be giving us this information for every weekly that Joergen is
reviewing? Won't that be very boring? After all, the Scandinavian issues
have very parallel contents, and we know that.

--Harry.
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>From: "Jørgen Andreas Bangor" <(Email removed)>
>
>| I can't find any codes on the Swedish covers. Is the code printed at the
>| same place as the Swedish EAN code? (Lower-left corner)
>
>Yes, that's the place.

Synd att koderna inte går att utläsa på de svenska omslagen.

>BTW, du leser norsk, hva? :)

Norska är fullt begripligt för mig.
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Knut Hunstad

> I just have the feeling that this is the first time the D.U.C.K
appears in
> the first panel of _every_ episode of a Don Rosa story...
As Harry said, it is not. But also it's the same duck in all 3
splash-panels.
In the war of the wendigo it wasn't. they're placed in the sword, which
appaers
on every splash.

> You might take a look at todays Christmas Calender Panel at DUCKHUNT
to see
> what I mean
People actually look at our calendar (I knew you did Knut), and now
more will maybe do it!
Yeehaa.

HARRY
> The *only* other time Don did that was in the "War of the Wendigo"
story.
> And there's an occasion (Lo$ chapter 12) where D.U.C.K. is hidden
several
> times in the first *and* in the last panel of the story.
why have noone ever told me that? Thanks, Harry:-)

> (Now let's hope we will be able to speak of a "third run"...)
Oh yes, let's cross our fingers to that.

> It just illustrates the high speed everything runs at at Egmont, eh?
Yep, the all to high speed at the publisher that is a company under
Egmont.
(The comic-publisher they call themselves here)

> I agree with you that things like this might be irritating, but all
over
> I think the magazine has improved very much during the last ten
years, so
> I'm not really complaining.
well, i can't help it when i can find 15 mistakes in a mag.. but you're
right the stories
improved, the fact-pages where good in the middle of the decade. Here I
mean. They
might still be good where you live.

> That thing about the frog was a bit surprising,
> though, and it happened in Denmark as well?
Yep.

> I didn't quite get that question about references. Which references
do
> you mean?
When people here talk about a certain comic, we mention the code. They
don't
They show panels from barks-stories, and they could at least tell the
readers where
to find that story. It's come to my knowledge that they don't make the
fact-pages
themselves, and the good fact-pages (the ones that are not Duckburg
Times, which
completely takes out the Barks-panels of the context) have references
to all the panles,
in norwegian swedish and danish. Someone at the publisher must sit
there erasing those,
because they think noone wants them there, or because he/she doesn't
want them there.
What is my problem then? I know most of those panels by heart an can
find the story...
But the normal group of readers wouldn't have a chance to do that!
The issue that came out this monday had a barks-panel showing a
christmas tree on top
of one of those big wheels from Tivoli/Themeparks. They told that
Duckburgians put the
garland and stuff on the tree from that wheel. But that is not true...
the tree is on that wheel
in that story. It's a classic Barks where Scrooge have been betting
with another richduck that
he could buy a tree that is taller than the church, and it wasn't
because the richduck had help
from the Beaglæe Boys... But why should the person who wrote that look
that up?

If someone here's offended of what I just said, well, it's just my
opinion. if the readers thought
the same this poor condition of fact-pages would change. (As I find the
examples I'll tell the worst
ones here.) But anyway, I'm not a reader, I'm just a freek!

> Anyway, I won't give up. I _need_ this weekly dose of ducks and mice,
> miscolored or not :)
discoloring might also show that they don't read the stories...

JØRGEN to ARIE
> That would be in Indonesia, right? Is there mostly Dutch stuff in
your
> weeklies, or are there other things as well?
Mostly d-codes, some H-codes and a few barks-stories (WDC, the ones I
saw)

JØRGEN
> Stefan Person:
> | BTW, have codes EVER been printed on the covers?
> Yes. Can't say it for sure without checking, but I think it started
> about two years ago. Then it stopped a few months ago.
They didn't here. they have just been printing the same code... to
teach us freeking
indexers a lesson!

BTW, are you leaving out the Kalevala for the review of the last part?

GEORGIOS
> Anders
> In the new KOMIX#139 ,the 1-2000 Special edition, there is another
lovely
> letter of you and of course the answer of the editors ,saying about
your
> visit to their offices.
Thanks for telling me this:-)

Da: Fluks, H.W. <(Email removed)>

> Ah, so there *are* some people (besides me) who know how our year counting
> was defined. I started to wonder, since *everyone* in Holland seems to
think
> otherwise.

Everyone in Italy too... or better.. everyone on TV

> Apart from that, it's a bit silly to wish anyone "a happy new millennium".
I
> at least know for sure that I won't live for another 1000 years.

Are you sure? :-)

Sprea

Anders Christian,

| When people here talk about a certain comic, we mention the code. They
| don't
| They show panels from barks-stories, and they could at least tell the
| readers where
| to find that story.

Ah, now I see. I completely agree with you, but I must admit I haven't
thought about it for a long time. I don't use to read those pages.

Erik Hørthe used to make those pages, if I'm not remembering wrong. He
told me once that he included a lot more material in them, which was
then erased by the editors. Are you still here, Erik?

Jørgen

Donald Duck & Co # 50 - 1999

Egmont front cover this week. It shows the nephews cleaning the floor.
Donald comes, carrying a big stack of presents. He doesn't see the soap
bar just in front of him on the floor...

Story number one is a Donald Duck story (D 99002, 12 pages), written by
Per Hedman, and drawn by Vicar.

Donald has a lot of Christmas cards to send, but discovers that there are
too few mailmen to deliver all the mail. He gets a job at the local post
office himself, and soon after he sorts mail. He needs a container to put
them all in, but is told that it is at the moment busy somewhere else.
Donald then finds one himself, and fills it with cards. What he doesn't
know is that this container is supposed to contain things destined for
Faraway. It also contains something else which is not supposed to be
there: Donald Duck.
When Donalds wakes up in the cargo room in a plane, he accidentally opens
a hatch in its bottom, and he and all the cards are dropped out over a
small, isolated country. This country doesn't seem to have come much
further than the sixteenth century, and for some reason celebrating
Christmas is forbidden there. But the cards from Duckburg wakes up
forgotten feelings in the population. Soon after there's a big Christmas
party, and the people are happy. In return they offer to help Donald
deliver the cards back in Duckburg, which isn't exactly a success.

Hedman has written a pretty good story here, and Vicar's art is as usual
good - although he certainly hasn't made a masterpiece out of this.

Story number two is a Goofy one-pager (D 88243). Something that was
discovered behind a shelf, eh?
The art looks like Esteban.

Goofy is standing at the front door of his house, lacking the key to
the door. That's no problem though, since he's got another key in the
kitchen, and the back door is open so that he can get it...

A very good little story. Typically Goofy.

Number three is the fifth of the stone stories (D 99038, 12 pages). In
this one Gyro Gearloose is the main character. It's written by
Pat and Carol McGreal, and drawn by Vicar - and this _is_ a masterpiece
by the artist.

Minnie and Daisy have given the stones to Gyro, in the hope that he can
find out what they are. He's filming the experiments. After some failing
attempts, he tries to activate them with sound waves. The stones start
to spin in the air, and a picture is created between them. It shows a
village in the year 999 just before new years eve. It is Duckburg - or
at least it is on the same place; Gyro recognizes the mountains in the
area. Among the farmers in the village are two ancestors of Donald and
Mickey.
To practice as acrobats before the new year party, they walks into the
forest. Then they see that something strange is going on in the mountains.
A battle is being fought between to sorcerers - one good and one evil.
The two stones are hanging in the air in front of the evil one, who's the
strongest of the two. At the moment the new millennium starts (they were
obviously one year early a thousand years ago too...) the stones, which
are created by the evil one, will melt together, making a force that will
make him the ruler over a big area.
The two farmers distract him, and the good sorcerer sends one stone into
ice and the other into fire. The evil one cast a spell that will make
the stones come back one thousand years later, and he then hides himselft
in the mountain. The good one cast a spell that will make sure the stones
are attracted to good people, relatives of the two farmers.
After having seen all this, Gyro walks into the mountain to prevent the
evil sorcerer from coming out from it. He arrivs just in tim to see him
walk out, and tries to stop him. It's all in vain, and the sorcerer walks
away to find his stones.

A really memorable story, not least because of the art. Vicar has done an
outstanding job on this one - but I do think he should stay with drawing
ducks ;-) The first time he draws Mickey in this story, he has obviously
copied Ferioli's Mickey from the second stone story, but Mickey's ancestor
looks more like some villain from an old Gottfredson story; or maybe a bit
like Barks' Mickey...
This story also raises some interesting questions about where Duckburg is
located. The people living in the village a thousand years ago are
certainly not Indians. The style of the buildings and the clothes looks
mostly German, maybe French. If I had written the story, I suppose I would
have put a Viking village at the spot of present day Duckburg, although
they probably never went as far south as to Calisota (wherever that is...).

Story number four is an old one-pager (KF 12-23-51)

Story number five is an old story about the Three Little Pigs (W/C'N'D 12,
four pages). I think it's drawn by Paul Murry. It was first published in
Norway in # 1 - 1959.

Number six is a Grandma Duck story (D 99030, seven pages), written by
Gorm Transgaard, and drawn by Marsal.

Grandma is yelling at Gus because he doesn't work, as usual. Then suddenly
she's transfered to a space ship, inhabited by aliens. On their planet
they had become so used to techology fixing everything for them that
they'd forgotten everything about fixing things themselves. So when
something went wrong with their powerplant, nobody could fix it, and it
exploded, destroying the entire planet. The population escaped in big
space ships, with areas on board for growing food. There's only one problem;
they haven't the slightest idea how to do it. Therefore they found
Grandma, so that she could teach them how. She does, and in return she's
given a small robot which does the work Gus was supposed to do.

Not bad. Much better than these short stories use to be.

Number seven is a Dutch one-pager with Goofy and Mickey (H 9376), written
by Jan Kruse, and drawn by Comicup Studio.

Goofy has earned some money so that he can pay back some he's loaned from
Mickey. He buys a wallet to carry them in, but... then he doesn't have
any to Mickey with.

The art is excellent, but that joke is very much older than this story.

Number eight is the final part of Don's Kalevala story. I will put this
in a mail by itself.

Number nine is another old one-pager (KF 02-03-52).

Jørgen

Hi,

SPOILER AHEAD

What Francois did not mention when talking about the new Cavazzano story is
that it contains the most moving hommage to a Disney comic artist that I
have ever seen in print.

It may be because Claude Marin is a very good friend but the way he is
introduced in the story and acts in it almost drew tears out of me.

Giorgio and Cortegiani really know what friendship means.

END OF SPOILER

Didier
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