At 19:14:37 27/12/1999 +0200, Kriton Kyrimis wrote:
>
>
>==========================SPOILER WARNING=================================
>
>==========================SPOILER WARNING=================================
>
>[on "The lentils of Babylon"]
>Despite this, I can't help being extremely confused by the story.
>I've read it in three different languages [Greek (two versions), English
>and French], and all offer different explanations as to what the Beagle's
>scheme for selling the same lentils over and over was.
Well, yes, the story is not very much consistent.
Let me distinguish between TWO different parts of the plot.
(1)
The reason why the BB want the lentils to be resold all over the world. The
original explanation is: through all the different and complicated money
exchange rates, there is an actual gain in buying again the same
merchandise after it went through all those countries.
Now, of course this can't be true (that's why, e.g. David Gerstein changed
this when "americanizing" the script). But I think it's a nice idea, and
just like ducks usually don't talk but in Calisota they do, well maybe down
there the exchange rates work that way, why not? ;-)
I must say I liked this, I never considered it as a "flaw" in the plot.
Rather, I saw it as a satire of the "money exchange traders".
(1bis) But why had it to be the LENTILS OF BABYLON ? Couldn't any other
kind of commodities? This, honestly, never convinced me.
(2) The *real* flaw is when $crooge cannot take decisions because he
doesn't have 100% of the property. Of course it's a shock to see $crooge
buy ONE SINGLE SHARE for all his fortune; but this really doesn't make sense.
And since in my youth I learned A LOT of real life from duck stories ;-)
I have been for a long time very confused, honestly believing that you
can't rule a company unless you have 100% of the shares. Now, NOTHING could
be farther from the truth...!
In conclusion, from what you say I must deduce that the French version is
very faithful to the original.
>I'd love to know what was in the original version, and if it actually
>makes sense there.
I hope my explanation helped a bit...
>
>==========================END SPOILER=================================
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>
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Marco
http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/Comics
Author
Topic: 199912
(374 messages)
Marco Barlotti
Lentils of Babylon
Message 361 -
1999-12-29 at 01:14:01
Marco Barlotti
Francesco Artibani and such
Message 362 -
1999-12-29 at 01:41:53
At 12:53:24 27/12/1999 +0100, (Email removed) wrote:
>
>Most of the italian stories I have read, are thru the norwegian pocket-books
>that are frequently published. Some of the stuff are just average stories,
>but sometimes a story stands out. I think such is the case of a story
>published in the latest pocket-book, called 'Mikke Mus og tidens flod',
>meaning 'Mickey Mouse and the flood of time'. The code is I TL 2243-1 and
>original title is 'Topolino e il fiume del tempo'. It's written by Francesco
>Artibani and drawn by Corrado Mastantuono.
Francesco Artibani, who often teams with Lello Arena in writing the plots,
is one of the best new-generation Italian scripters. He can be paired to
Tito Faraci, in that both of them (or the three of them, including Arena)
depict new scenarios where Mickey Mouse is satirized, while the "heroes"
are Peg-Leg-Pete or Casey or even Rock Sassi (a new character, rivaling
with Casey in the local police).
I like these stories A LOT. In this week's "Topolino" (issue # 2301) there
is a great new story by Artibani and Arena, drawn by Silvia Ziche.
Corrado Mastantuono is an excellent young artist, and he draws mice even
better than the ducks. Silvia Ziche I love the best, but I am maybe unfair
because she did two drawings for me, while Mastantuono did only one... ;-)
Marco
>
>Most of the italian stories I have read, are thru the norwegian pocket-books
>that are frequently published. Some of the stuff are just average stories,
>but sometimes a story stands out. I think such is the case of a story
>published in the latest pocket-book, called 'Mikke Mus og tidens flod',
>meaning 'Mickey Mouse and the flood of time'. The code is I TL 2243-1 and
>original title is 'Topolino e il fiume del tempo'. It's written by Francesco
>Artibani and drawn by Corrado Mastantuono.
Francesco Artibani, who often teams with Lello Arena in writing the plots,
is one of the best new-generation Italian scripters. He can be paired to
Tito Faraci, in that both of them (or the three of them, including Arena)
depict new scenarios where Mickey Mouse is satirized, while the "heroes"
are Peg-Leg-Pete or Casey or even Rock Sassi (a new character, rivaling
with Casey in the local police).
I like these stories A LOT. In this week's "Topolino" (issue # 2301) there
is a great new story by Artibani and Arena, drawn by Silvia Ziche.
Corrado Mastantuono is an excellent young artist, and he draws mice even
better than the ducks. Silvia Ziche I love the best, but I am maybe unfair
because she did two drawings for me, while Mastantuono did only one... ;-)
Marco
Oliv
For Germans
Message 363 -
1999-12-29 at 02:46:26
We have just suffer a storm in countries
of west europe.
Even so i'd like to wish to all of you and
specially to the ones who need some
warmth now and to their family , a very
happy new year.
Oliv
of west europe.
Even so i'd like to wish to all of you and
specially to the ones who need some
warmth now and to their family , a very
happy new year.
Oliv
Arie Fachrisal
DCML digest, Vol 1 #35 - 7 msgs
Message 364 -
1999-12-29 at 05:06:52
> >From: (Email removed)
Do we want a Pete, still with some rough edges, but
> >struggling to be a good guy, or do we want the bad, evil villain, maybe
> >even
> >with his peg back? What do the rest of you think about this?
IMHO, Pete will better get back to Disney comics ASAP. Among all Mickey
foes, i like Pete and Phantom Blot. IMO, Pete is actually a "lonely" person
who wants to get accepted by Minnie but doing it the wrong way, by
kidnapping, doing horrible things to Minnie's boyfriend Mickey, etc. So, i
wouldn't say that he's struggling to be a good guy. He's struggling to be
accepted by Mickey & friends, especially Minnie since we know Pete likes
Minnie *very* much.
> From: (Email removed)
> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 07:59:47 EST
> Subject: Re: DCML digest, Vol 1 #34 - 8 msgs
> To: (Email removed)
>
> "help"
Huh???
Arie Fachrisal^_^
Do we want a Pete, still with some rough edges, but
> >struggling to be a good guy, or do we want the bad, evil villain, maybe
> >even
> >with his peg back? What do the rest of you think about this?
IMHO, Pete will better get back to Disney comics ASAP. Among all Mickey
foes, i like Pete and Phantom Blot. IMO, Pete is actually a "lonely" person
who wants to get accepted by Minnie but doing it the wrong way, by
kidnapping, doing horrible things to Minnie's boyfriend Mickey, etc. So, i
wouldn't say that he's struggling to be a good guy. He's struggling to be
accepted by Mickey & friends, especially Minnie since we know Pete likes
Minnie *very* much.
> From: (Email removed)
> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 07:59:47 EST
> Subject: Re: DCML digest, Vol 1 #34 - 8 msgs
> To: (Email removed)
>
> "help"
Huh???
Arie Fachrisal^_^
Heyraymond
Spirit of Mickey
Message 365 -
1999-12-29 at 06:59:37
Hello everyone,
This message is to Rodney and everyone else. I have the "Spirit of
Mickey " video and, yes "Steamboat Willie" is included on this, rather good,
compilation. All of the cartoons on this tape have been remastered, as is
evidenced by watching the very same cartoons on "Ink and Paint Club", a
television program of vintage cartoons, on the Disney Channel in the
U.S..This video contains such classics as "The Band Concert", "Orphan's
Picnic", and, my personal favorite, "Mickey's Trailer". One of the greatest
shorts that featured Mickey, Goofy, and Donald. I would love to also see the
story with Black Pete as a more rounded character. It sounds great. Hope I
was of service to everyone. And while I'm here, though it may be a little
late, Happy Holidays to everyone!
Sincerely,
Arthur S. Bowman
This message is to Rodney and everyone else. I have the "Spirit of
Mickey " video and, yes "Steamboat Willie" is included on this, rather good,
compilation. All of the cartoons on this tape have been remastered, as is
evidenced by watching the very same cartoons on "Ink and Paint Club", a
television program of vintage cartoons, on the Disney Channel in the
U.S..This video contains such classics as "The Band Concert", "Orphan's
Picnic", and, my personal favorite, "Mickey's Trailer". One of the greatest
shorts that featured Mickey, Goofy, and Donald. I would love to also see the
story with Black Pete as a more rounded character. It sounds great. Hope I
was of service to everyone. And while I'm here, though it may be a little
late, Happy Holidays to everyone!
Sincerely,
Arthur S. Bowman
Fluks, H.W.
Female DComics artists
Message 366 -
1999-12-29 at 11:50:31
Marco wrote:
> In this week's "Topolino" (issue # 2301) there
> is a great new story by Artibani and Arena, drawn by Silvia Ziche.
Ah, and there we have another female artist in the Disney comics world. Not
"colorist", writer or inker only, but a real artist. So besides Marga Querol
and Wilma van den Bosch, she's the 3rd we know of.
--Harry.
> In this week's "Topolino" (issue # 2301) there
> is a great new story by Artibani and Arena, drawn by Silvia Ziche.
Ah, and there we have another female artist in the Disney comics world. Not
"colorist", writer or inker only, but a real artist. So besides Marga Querol
and Wilma van den Bosch, she's the 3rd we know of.
--Harry.
Søren Krarup Olesen
Female DComics artists
Message 367 -
1999-12-29 at 12:18:07
HARRY:
> > [...] drawn by Silvia Ziche.
>
> Ah, and there we have another female artist in the Disney comics world. Not
> "colorist", writer or inker only, but a real artist. So besides Marga Querol
> and Wilma van den Bosch, she's the 3rd we know of.
There are many more, Harry. For example Laura Bozzano, Adriana Cristina
:-), Beatriz Bolster and Maria Luisa Uggetti who are all genuine
artists.
Søren
> > [...] drawn by Silvia Ziche.
>
> Ah, and there we have another female artist in the Disney comics world. Not
> "colorist", writer or inker only, but a real artist. So besides Marga Querol
> and Wilma van den Bosch, she's the 3rd we know of.
There are many more, Harry. For example Laura Bozzano, Adriana Cristina
:-), Beatriz Bolster and Maria Luisa Uggetti who are all genuine
artists.
Søren
Dr. Archontis Pantsios
The Lentils of Babylon: A Case of "Evil Translator"? :-)
Message 368 -
1999-12-29 at 14:50:12
MARCO TO KRITON:
>The reason why the BB want the lentils to be resold all over the world. The
>original explanation is: through all the different and complicated money
>exchange rates, there is an actual gain in buying again the same
>merchandise after it went through all those countries.
>Now, of course this can't be true
Last night, I also opened up my Comic Art copy of "The Lentils of Babylon"
in order to compare the various versions of that story, and while Scarpa's
original explanation about "all the different and complicated money exchange
rates" leading to a 90% profit rate for the Beagles (a 1 to 10 cost/revenue
ratio is mentioned in the original script) raised my eyebrows, I chose to
explain this as a gain coming from the Beagles being smart traders and
offering to the natives of "Costa Scura" especially, what would amount to
relatively disadvantageous terms of trade. (Keep in mind that the natives of
"Costa Scura" are total ignoramuses: they have little idea of the market
value of the "sand" with which they pay for the lentils and find out from
the Ducks that the lentils are eatible--well, sort of! They buy them in
order to re-sell them to the nation of "Suzzan" for something they can eat,
supposedly).
The Greek version is really misleading and makes no sense at all! It has the
natives of Costa Scura buying the lentils for eating purposes and then
practically begging the Beagles to get them back at a loss for them;
however, why on earth would they choose to do that a second time, once they
find out how terribly the lentils taste? The mind reels... The Greek text
also has other translation inconsistencies that would really perplex the
average Greek reader, for whom I really feel sorry! In all honesty, they
could have done a much better translating job!
Holiday Cheers,
Archontis
>The reason why the BB want the lentils to be resold all over the world. The
>original explanation is: through all the different and complicated money
>exchange rates, there is an actual gain in buying again the same
>merchandise after it went through all those countries.
>Now, of course this can't be true
Last night, I also opened up my Comic Art copy of "The Lentils of Babylon"
in order to compare the various versions of that story, and while Scarpa's
original explanation about "all the different and complicated money exchange
rates" leading to a 90% profit rate for the Beagles (a 1 to 10 cost/revenue
ratio is mentioned in the original script) raised my eyebrows, I chose to
explain this as a gain coming from the Beagles being smart traders and
offering to the natives of "Costa Scura" especially, what would amount to
relatively disadvantageous terms of trade. (Keep in mind that the natives of
"Costa Scura" are total ignoramuses: they have little idea of the market
value of the "sand" with which they pay for the lentils and find out from
the Ducks that the lentils are eatible--well, sort of! They buy them in
order to re-sell them to the nation of "Suzzan" for something they can eat,
supposedly).
The Greek version is really misleading and makes no sense at all! It has the
natives of Costa Scura buying the lentils for eating purposes and then
practically begging the Beagles to get them back at a loss for them;
however, why on earth would they choose to do that a second time, once they
find out how terribly the lentils taste? The mind reels... The Greek text
also has other translation inconsistencies that would really perplex the
average Greek reader, for whom I really feel sorry! In all honesty, they
could have done a much better translating job!
Holiday Cheers,
Archontis
Francois Willot
Female DComics artists
Message 369 -
1999-12-29 at 16:02:42
Fluks, H.W. wrote:
>
> Ah, and there we have another female artist in the Disney comics
> world. Not "colorist", writer or inker only, but a real artist. So
> besides Marga Querol and Wilma van den Bosch, she's the 3rd we know
> of.
Isabel Penalva, who draws the L'il Bad Wolf stories in France, and once
made a "James Goof" story.
Carmen Perez and Cristina Ruiz, also from Comicup.
From Brazil, Irineu Soares Rodriguez (if I'm not mistaken?).
In France, Isabelle Rognoni, Maria Soenen (mostly illustrations/covers
but also a few stories), Martine Berthélemy (one story).
Francois
>
> Ah, and there we have another female artist in the Disney comics
> world. Not "colorist", writer or inker only, but a real artist. So
> besides Marga Querol and Wilma van den Bosch, she's the 3rd we know
> of.
Isabel Penalva, who draws the L'il Bad Wolf stories in France, and once
made a "James Goof" story.
Carmen Perez and Cristina Ruiz, also from Comicup.
From Brazil, Irineu Soares Rodriguez (if I'm not mistaken?).
In France, Isabelle Rognoni, Maria Soenen (mostly illustrations/covers
but also a few stories), Martine Berthélemy (one story).
Francois
Andrae
(no subject)
Message 370 -
1999-12-29 at 19:37:21
Let me try to clarify things a bit more concerning the Gottfredson strip
reprints I did. I came up with the idea for reprinting all the
Gottfredson adventures in the mid-1970s. Horst Schroeder suppllied me with
proof sheets for the adventures from 1946 to 1955. I still have copies of
these. I also was able to obtain proof copies of a few stories, like the
whaling story, from Bill Wright. However, most of the material from the
years of 1930 to 1945 were from a collection of original strips that I had
located. The strips from 1930 were tremdously difficult to find because
they only appeared in a handful of newspapers. Bill Blackbeard from the
San Francisco Academy of comic Art also supplied a few strips. There were
no missing strips. I wouln't have gone ahead with the project if anything
had been missing.
Then I contacted Bruce Hamilton about finding some way to have them copied
and he gave me Byron's name. Byron did all the copying and arranged to
have them bound. it was a tremendous amount of work and we should all be
grateful to him for without his help the project would never have seen the
light of day. To my knowledge all the completed sets were hardbound in
books. I had no idea that Horst was going to market these books. As far
as I was concerned they were produced for a few fans of the Mickey daily
strips.
Best Wishes,
Tom Andrae
Robin Andrae
Tom Andrae
(Email removed)
reprints I did. I came up with the idea for reprinting all the
Gottfredson adventures in the mid-1970s. Horst Schroeder suppllied me with
proof sheets for the adventures from 1946 to 1955. I still have copies of
these. I also was able to obtain proof copies of a few stories, like the
whaling story, from Bill Wright. However, most of the material from the
years of 1930 to 1945 were from a collection of original strips that I had
located. The strips from 1930 were tremdously difficult to find because
they only appeared in a handful of newspapers. Bill Blackbeard from the
San Francisco Academy of comic Art also supplied a few strips. There were
no missing strips. I wouln't have gone ahead with the project if anything
had been missing.
Then I contacted Bruce Hamilton about finding some way to have them copied
and he gave me Byron's name. Byron did all the copying and arranged to
have them bound. it was a tremendous amount of work and we should all be
grateful to him for without his help the project would never have seen the
light of day. To my knowledge all the completed sets were hardbound in
books. I had no idea that Horst was going to market these books. As far
as I was concerned they were produced for a few fans of the Mickey daily
strips.
Best Wishes,
Tom Andrae
Robin Andrae
Tom Andrae
(Email removed)
Ari Seppi
Aku Ankan taskukirjat -database
Message 371 -
1999-12-29 at 20:14:04
Based on a discussion in a Finnish comics-newsgroups I and five other fans
have compiled an Aku Ankan taskukirjat -database (it's in Finnish only,
sorry non-Finnish-speaking duckists) about these excellent pocket books.
The database includes the usual stuff (printing years, story codes, number
of pages and so on) and opinions of the stories and books. 100 % subjective
opinions guaranteed.
The URL of the database is:
http://www.perunamaa.net/taskarit/
--
Ari Seppi ((Email removed))
http://www.sci.fi/~mani/
Suomalaiset Disney-julkaisut -tietokanta:
http://www.sci.fi/~mani/sarja.htm
have compiled an Aku Ankan taskukirjat -database (it's in Finnish only,
sorry non-Finnish-speaking duckists) about these excellent pocket books.
The database includes the usual stuff (printing years, story codes, number
of pages and so on) and opinions of the stories and books. 100 % subjective
opinions guaranteed.
The URL of the database is:
http://www.perunamaa.net/taskarit/
--
Ari Seppi ((Email removed))
http://www.sci.fi/~mani/
Suomalaiset Disney-julkaisut -tietokanta:
http://www.sci.fi/~mani/sarja.htm
Michael Naiman
Addresses
Message 372 -
1999-12-30 at 05:54:11
Hi All and Happy New Year!
In my zeal for upgrading my computer, I've lost the email addresses of many
of my DML friends. If you have time, please send me a message....especially
Mr. Schneiderath! Thanks.
In my zeal for upgrading my computer, I've lost the email addresses of many
of my DML friends. If you have time, please send me a message....especially
Mr. Schneiderath! Thanks.
Stefan Persson
(no subject)
Message 373 -
1999-12-30 at 14:00:43
>From: (Email removed) (andrae)
>I still have copies of these.
Where can I get those? I have seven parts of it, and I would like to get the
missing ones.
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>I still have copies of these.
Where can I get those? I have seven parts of it, and I would like to get the
missing ones.
______________________________________________________
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Vidar Svendsen
Millennium, greetings and Israeli comics
Message 374 -
1999-12-30 at 23:10:20
Anders Christian Sivebaek:
>But we have two milleniums then. the one that went from 1000 to 1999,
>and the one that goes from 1001 to 2000. The wizard in that ball story
>is talking about the first one. Christians, if any, are suppsoed to
>believe in the latter (even though the pope doesn't). because a monk in
>600 made out way to calculate time, he says one year after year 0 and
>one year before. but he only calculates one day for year 0, the day
>jesus was born.
>And some say that was 4 years after and in the summer...
Jesus was born no later than 4 BCE. That's the year Herod the Great
(asshole) died...
Huub van Helvoort:
>Hereby from Huub van Helvoort to all of you (pick your own language ;-)
>
> Hebrew -------- Mo'adim Lesimkha. Shana Tova
I've just spent christmas in Israel (returned today), and the people in the
church in Tel Aviv I visited wished me (and eachother) Chag sameach (happy
festival) and not mo'adim lesimcha.
I bought two comics published by Egmont at Ben Gurion airport, BTW:
Olamo shel disni (Land of Disney) comtaining stories with Donald Dak, Ziko
Haze'ev (Zeke the Wolf) and other familiar characters.
Foo Hadov (Phoo the bear) containing illustrated stories for children (the
text has vowels...)
I'll be back with more info on these comics when I return from a two-week
trip to Oslo.
PS! Yes, Harry... I'll index the comics some time in the next millennium
(or this millennium depending on how good you are at counting from year 1)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Vidar Svendsen http://members.home.com/vsvendsen/
"There is an art, it says,
or rather, a knack to flying
The knack lies in learning
how to throw yourself at the ground
and miss"
>But we have two milleniums then. the one that went from 1000 to 1999,
>and the one that goes from 1001 to 2000. The wizard in that ball story
>is talking about the first one. Christians, if any, are suppsoed to
>believe in the latter (even though the pope doesn't). because a monk in
>600 made out way to calculate time, he says one year after year 0 and
>one year before. but he only calculates one day for year 0, the day
>jesus was born.
>And some say that was 4 years after and in the summer...
Jesus was born no later than 4 BCE. That's the year Herod the Great
(asshole) died...
Huub van Helvoort:
>Hereby from Huub van Helvoort to all of you (pick your own language ;-)
>
> Hebrew -------- Mo'adim Lesimkha. Shana Tova
I've just spent christmas in Israel (returned today), and the people in the
church in Tel Aviv I visited wished me (and eachother) Chag sameach (happy
festival) and not mo'adim lesimcha.
I bought two comics published by Egmont at Ben Gurion airport, BTW:
Olamo shel disni (Land of Disney) comtaining stories with Donald Dak, Ziko
Haze'ev (Zeke the Wolf) and other familiar characters.
Foo Hadov (Phoo the bear) containing illustrated stories for children (the
text has vowels...)
I'll be back with more info on these comics when I return from a two-week
trip to Oslo.
PS! Yes, Harry... I'll index the comics some time in the next millennium
(or this millennium depending on how good you are at counting from year 1)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Vidar Svendsen http://members.home.com/vsvendsen/
"There is an art, it says,
or rather, a knack to flying
The knack lies in learning
how to throw yourself at the ground
and miss"