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Stefan Persson
>I'm new in this list,I?m an Arabian garland I read Disney comics in Arabic
>language, and ofcourse with the Arabic characters names, so can you tell me
>as much as you can the tree of donald family in english names..in order to
>understand which characters you are talking about. Also can you tell me how
>could you now the artists who drew each comic ? and what do the number in
>the first image from every story means? And I just want you to know that
>the Arabic comics mag I read, started in the year 1994 only so, I don't
>have enough knowledge of comics but I would like to.

English names of frequent characters:
Donald Duck: The unlucky duck in blue and yellow clothes
Huey, Dewey and Louie Duck: Donald's nephews
Uncle Scrooge McDuck: Donald's rich uncle
Daisy Duck: Donald's girlfriend
April, May and June: Daisy's nephews
Gladstone Gander: Donald's lucky cousin
Fethry Duck: Donald's other cousin
Grandma Duck: Donald's grandmother
Gus Goose: The goose working for Grandma Duck

Mickey Mouse: The detective mouse
Minney Mouse: Mickey's girlfriend
Morty and Ferdie: Mickey's nephews
Chief O'Hara: The police officer
Detective Casey: The detective with a cigar, that helps O'Hara
Goofy: Mickey's tall friend
Horace Horsecollar: The horse
Clarabelle Cow: The cow
Pluto: Mickey's dog

I hope this list helps you. For other characters, you could check:
http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/dcml/creators/

The letters in the lower-left corner tells who has made the story, and when
it was made.
First character: Means:
AR Another Rainbow (Gladstone), USA
B Brazil
D Egmont, Denmark
D N Egmont Japan, Japan
E Disney Europe, Paris, France
F Hachette, France
G Ehapa, Germany
H De Geïllustreerde Pers/Oberon, Holland
I Mondadori, Italy
KF, KFS King Features Syndicate, USA (newspaper stips)
P, PM Mondadori, Italy (from Paperino Mese)
S, X Disney Studio, USA
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Stefan Persson
>I can't find this 28 page story in the index ,does anyone know if it has
>another title?
>http://www.goulburn.net.au/~alecto/d146-2.jpg

To me it seems to be Italian, so I guess that you should search for the
Italian title instead. I have no idea of what the Italian title can be.
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Stefan Persson a écrit:
>
> >I can't find this 28 page story in the index ,does anyone know if it has
> >another title?
> >http://www.goulburn.net.au/~alecto/d146-2.jpg
>
> To me it seems to be Italian, so I guess that you should search for the
> Italian title instead. I have no idea of what the Italian title can be.

I have never seen this story, but what about "Paperino e l'atollo
triangolare", from Almanacco Topolino #106 (1965) ? (by Luciano Gatto
and Abramo Barosso). It's 28 pages long. Description is "treasure on a
Pacific island".

Francois
http://www2.ec-lille.fr/~willot/coa/index.uk.html
Luca Boschi
Hi, Anders Christian!

> I've now seen a certain charecter in 3 issues of the danish weekly.
(...)
> His name in danish is Hr. Naevenyttig, mening something like annoying
> I'm putting a scan at this page annoy.jpg
> http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Housing/9405/annoy.jpg
>
> I would like to know what his name is in your language.

Well, in Italy, he was called in two different ways.
I have not those stories handy, and I remember one of them, that is SIGNOR
ASFISSIETTI, that's literally means what you said: Mr. Boring, Mr. McBother,
or something of similar.

Ciao!
Luca
Francois Willot
Stefan Persson:

> AR Another Rainbow (Gladstone), USA
> B Brazil
> D Egmont, Denmark
> D N Egmont Japan, Japan
> E Disney Europe, Paris, France
> F Hachette, France
> G Ehapa, Germany
> H De Geïllustreerde Pers/Oberon, Holland
> I Mondadori, Italy
> KF, KFS King Features Syndicate, USA (newspaper stips)
> P, PM Mondadori, Italy (from Paperino Mese)
> S, X Disney Studio, USA

Good list, but it is strange that you list "P, PM". Actually, this is
just one of the subsets of the I-production (the right codes being "I PM
something").
And listing all subsets of all know production would be very long!

H-publisher now is "VNU" (at least on the comics).
I-publisher now is "Disney Italia".
"KF" looks like the printed code used in Egmont publications.
"K" is the official code of stories produced in the US by "Disney
Comics" in 1990-92 or so. That's why a different letter is used, I
think, in the Disney database (Y or Z).

Francois
http://www2.ec-lille.fr/~willot/coa/19990830/index.uk.htm
Frank Stajano
At 1999-12-17 02:22 +1100, Alecto wrote:
>I can't find this 28 page story in the index ,does anyone know if it has
>another title?
>http://www.goulburn.net.au/~alecto/d146-2.jpg

One can easily tell that the original story was drawn by Luciano Gatto; and
from the colophon in your scan one could be sure that it was not later than
1969. With this primer, a laborious search through INDUCKS and FSB
(ddb'ers: we need to do something about this...), with frequent
cross-checks against the actual comics, allowed me to find the original story:

I AT 106-B (01-10-1965)
Paperino e l'atollo triangolare
/Barosso/Gatto/
28/tesoro su un'isoletta del Pacifico/Paperino; Zio Paperone, QQQ, Bassotti
[ristampe: AR 949, SAP 32]

For comparison, an image of the first panel is on my disc and I'll upload
it somewhere tomorrow from work if I don't forget ;-)
Note how the edition you scanned traded the comparatively nice and warm
Italian colours for the ugly and dull USA-style colours...

Frank (http://i.am/filologo.disneyano/) http://www.uk.research.att.com/~fms/
Erik Horthe
I am way behind with my digests these days, and just now I found that Nils
Lid Hjort asked me about the interview I did with Don during his visit here
in Norway three weeks ago. Don and I had a long talk about this and that, I
really enjoyed it, Don. Now, the work on the interview is started, but
these days Egmont has asked me to do stuff that most of the time seems to
have to be finished the day before I recieve it. So I will try to finish
the interview during Christmas, and hopefully Egmont will put it up on
their Web.

Erik Horthe
Knut Hunstad
Hi!

> > His name in danish is Hr. Naevenyttig, mening something
> like annoying
Well, I guess I shouldn't be disputing danish with a dane, but I am actually
_born_ in Denmark, so I'll risk it :-) And we have the same word in
norwegian also...

Naevenyttig doesn't _directly_ mean annoying! A direct translation would be
something like: [Someone with] "useful fists". Not in the meaning of a good
fighter, but beeing good at fixing things, using hammer and saw etc. The
opposite of having "ten thumbs", (which I'm not sure is used in english, but
I guess it's quite clear what it means?).

If the word "Naevenyttig" is used in danish about someone "annoying" (which
I wouldn't say is so in norwegian, where the word is used in a positive
sense [there might of course be local variations of this in Norway, but I'm
not aware of any!]), it could be explained by noting that someone very
"Naevenyttig" might be annoyingly effective keeping house and garden in
order, in the eyes of a normal person (or particularly in the eyes of a
person like DD...).

What the characters name in norwegian is, I don't know, but I'll see if I
can check it up some time! If someone else doesn't beat me to it...

Knut Hunstad
Trondheim, Norway
Anders Christian Sivebaek
KRITON
> Do you mean the sigma, i.e., the third letter in the
> greek version of Don's name, which looks a bit like "Pooa"?
Yes.

> Hellenizing one's name does not simply mean to make
> up a greek version of it; it also means *adopting* it!
Oh... Don, don't do that!

MARCO
> Artist unknown (and anyway I would'n call that "art"...)
Ha! That was how I came to notice the style. The artist
isn't very good at Mickey and Goofy either. They appear
in one of the two stories (yes, I said 3, but I counted one
of them twice...). But his Donald is all right...
> possibly from South America.
I see.

DON ROSA
> Now this is very strange! That joke about the "second biggest frog"
has
> nothing whatsoever to do with my old "Captain Kentucky" strips. The
> Norwegian translator had planned to insert such a comment, but I told
him
> it was a good guess, but wrong...
What is the right guess then? or is that guy just referring to a story
you haven't written

> Nowhere do I have V. asking $crooge if he wants to go relive
> the Klondike days with him. Izzat what it sez in Danish???
Scrooge just says "Yukon?" I'm the one going out of that line. a wrong
line that is.
A lost love awaits him, so that's why he says Yukon...

> like they thought it was Iku-Turso's big bloodshot eye or
> something. I wonder how many readers were perplexed by that panel!?
I was, and you too, Ole:-)
Strange... typical colorist...

> No, I was making a bad joke. But you said you didn't understand what
my
> cover (or something)represented, and you asked me if I had any
ideas.... in
> English, that sounded like you thought I might not know what I was
doing
> myself.
Oh well, i wouldn't think you didn't know that. i just thought that
maybe the cover was made before the story itself, and it was different
versions. and it is.

HALSTEN
> Nope! It was there in Norway too!

Hello Misters at Egmont. What are you doing overthere?

LUCA
Thanks for the info about the neighbour. So, he's been seens in DK,
Italy,
and supposedly US. Anywhere else??

> Now, the work on the interview is started, but
> these days Egmont has asked me to do stuff that most of the time
seems to
> have to be finished the day before I recieve it.
So, they hadn't told you they would put a note baout it on the back of
the weekly weeks ago... If that's the working conditions there...
wow...

AC
Søren Krarup Olesen
AC:

> MARCO
> > Artist unknown (and anyway I would'n call that "art"...)
> Ha! That was how I came to notice the style. The artist
> isn't very good at Mickey and Goofy either. They appear
> in one of the two stories (yes, I said 3, but I counted one
> of them twice...).

And what stories are you talking about this time, AC?

Søren
Fluks, H.W.
(Email removed) (real name unknown, but a friend of Bottaro 8-) wrote:

> I am
> realizing an index of Bottaro's stories with Disney's characters, that
> contains all the Italian editions and the first foreign editions.

I assume you already know where to find the Inducks information
(http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/fs?creator=LBo).

> Someone can help me for the editions of other countries?

Anyone who helps you is also invited to donate the information to "Inducks",
the Disney comics database.

> P.S. I try however contacts with all the persons who love the
> job of Bottaro.

Here's one, to start with. 8-)
See http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/bolderbast/p97-03.html for a 2-year-old
photograph...

--Harry.
Fluks, H.W.
Halvor:

> I have rated nearly all the artists who have had some work
> published in the
> danish Anders And, and with the help of the danish index in
> INDUCKS and a
> system of my own, I have been able to show changes in quality
> in this book thru the years.

Interesting. I did something similar years ago, but with "Barks = quality
100, anyone else = quality 0".
In other words, I counted the number of Barks pages in the Dutch weekly. The
best Barks year in Dutch history is 1975, when they put a Barks 1-pager on
the back cover of every issue. When not counting these, 1976 is slightly
better.

When counting relatively (I mean "pages of Barks per issue"), the starting
year, 1952, is the top. They has only 10 issues, but 99 Barks pages.

This has no real relation to what you have been doing, maybe. But I thought
it was interesting enough to at least mention.

I know it can be very dangerous to assign a quality measure to every artist.
Especially when the artist did not write the stories himself. Stories that I
regarded rubbish for years, are actually quite good when you see through the
horrible artwork...

--Harry.
Harry Fluks, Leidschendam, the Netherlands
http://here.is/inducks
Fluks, H.W.
Mari Hughes wrote:

> I am trying to find a way to purchase a comic book that had the Bucky
> Bug clip within.

Maybe the easiest (and least expensive) way is to try and find recent
Gladstone comics, where they reprinted both old Bug stories, and new ones,
coming from Holland (with a new script by Don Markstein).
These Gladstone comics were 7 or 8 dollars each, but back issues could be
more expensive now. Probably they are still for sale at Gladstone's.

For instance, Walt Disney's Comics 609, 610, 613, 615 (all reprints of
1940s/1950s stories), and 623, 624, 625, 627, 629, 630 (all 3- or 4-page
Dutch/Markstein stories).

--Harry.
http://here.is/inducks
Arie Fachrisal
> Fethry Duck: Donald's other cousin
Who is this? I never heard of him before. Certainly not one of Barks'
creations, right? Is he the same as "Popo"?

Thanks
Arie Fachrisal:-)
Arie Fachrisal
> Also can you tell me how could you now the artists who drew each comic ?
> and what do the number in the first image from every story means? And I
> just want you to know that the Arabic comics mag I read, started in the
> year 1994 only so, I don't have enough knowledge of comics but I would
> like to.
Hi Abdulmonem Abbas. The most simple way to recognize the artists of certain
stories are this simple:
1. You said that the mag began from 1994 so you must have read quite a lot.
You must have noticed that most Donald Duck stories have several different
"styles" in drawing. Once you're familiar with the styles, you can assume
that other story which has same style in drawing must be drawn by the same
person.
2. Search the net for some names and see if any of his/her (i think there
hasn't been a female duck artist before or am i wrong:-) arts match the ones
you read.
3. If you still can't identify or get the artists' names. Just scan a page
or two and ask here. Don't have a scanner? Put the story code in this list,
and i'm pretty sure there're a lot of nice people here will try to help you
out.

Hope that helps:-)

PS several most known artists:
Carl Barks ( a Disney Legend)
Don Rosa (in my list, he's 2nd top duck artist. He's in a class of his own,
can't compare with Barks and i think he doesn't like to be compared)
William Van Horn
Al Taliaferro (the strips are hilarious and funny)
Daan Jippes (he drawn most Barks scripts very well)
Ben Verhagen (he's not that famous, i think???. But i do like his works)

Best,
Arie Fachrisal:-)
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