Don:
> By the way, Harry, Kalevalian rune-o-meter is not supposed to
> rhyme
I know, but Sinterklaas poems *are* supposed to rhyme...
--Harry.
Author
Topic: 199912
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Fluks, H.W.
Poems
Message 61 -
1999-12-03 at 22:09:25
Don Rosa
DCML digest, Vol 1 #8
Message 62 -
1999-12-03 at 22:12:40
Heh heh. Did I say alphabetical order? Oops. Make it:
1) KOMIX
2) PICSOU
3) ZIO PAPERONE
I think it must have been all the time I just spent in Finland... 'K's seem
to throw me off a bit now, until I recover!
1) KOMIX
2) PICSOU
3) ZIO PAPERONE
I think it must have been all the time I just spent in Finland... 'K's seem
to throw me off a bit now, until I recover!
MNeste8718
DCML digest, Vol 1 #7 - 17 msgs
Message 63 -
1999-12-03 at 22:15:08
What the heck are these messages about?????
They make no actual sense and have almost nothing to do with comic books.
They make no actual sense and have almost nothing to do with comic books.
Fluks, H.W.
DCML digest, Vol 1 #7 - 17 msgs
Message 64 -
1999-12-03 at 22:23:59
> What the heck are these messages about?????
Disney comics.
(Who the heck are you, anyway?)
> They make no actual sense and have almost nothing to do with
> comic books.
This is an international list. Greek comics are comics, even if they call
them Komix.
--Harry.
Disney comics.
(Who the heck are you, anyway?)
> They make no actual sense and have almost nothing to do with
> comic books.
This is an international list. Greek comics are comics, even if they call
them Komix.
--Harry.
Ole Reichstein Nielsen
Japanese comics are best!
Message 65 -
1999-12-04 at 00:03:27
Stefan Persson asked if there are Japanese editions of Disney comics
and there are. From what I've seen the so-called 'manga-style' isn't
as outrageous as I was expecting; actually it looks quite nice, and
not nearly as unusual as some Italian stories.
For a laugh, here's a page from an Alvarado-drawn Winnie-the-Pooh story:
http://hjem.get2net.dk/ole.roc/pic/nippooh.jpg
You can get the rest of the story too (for educational purposes only!)
if you like, Frank.
Frank Stajano even wants to contact the publisher for a subscription,
but since I can't read any of the words, he'll have to do with numbers:
phone: 03-3404-1201, fax: 03-3404-0338. Wakarimasu??
To give you an idea about what you're going to yell on the long distance
connection, here are some ads for what appears to be the equivalent of
WDC&S - and the Japanese version of the blue book, MM's 70th Anniversary:
http://hjem.get2net.dk/ole.roc/pic/nipads.jpg
It doesn't show on the scans, but these Pooh-books are, paper quality-wise,
perhaps the best Disney books in the world! Maybe they have to be printed
on extra heavy grade paper to withstand the reading habits of the average
4-year old Disney fan. Imagine, in some far and foreign countries, KIDS
read comic books!!
My friend, "Søren", stirred up a bit of controversy
about the concept of "the best Disney comic book" in the world.
True to say, it's funny how the two Scrooge titles in France ("Picsou"),
Italy ("Zio Paperone") and the Greek "Komix" - and not "I Maestri Disney"
as Sprea thought, and I'd agree with - somehow gained that reputation
without much argumentation about what actually makes up a "good book".
By common consensus 90% Barks, Rosa and Scarpa on white paper is the
right stuff.
>Tell us then: according to you, which are the top 3 Disney publications in
>the world today?
NOT the Danorwegian weekly for sure!
S<oe>ren just fell in love with Paperino Mese, and a million Italians agree
with him; at heart he's an Italian who was born too far up North. :-)
I kind of agree with him for the moment: to me it is much more interesting
to get a copy of some classic Italian story than another edition of a story
I already have, no matter how crisp and pearly white the paper. But that is
of course the words of a year-long reader and collector of comic books -
not the average customer, the publishers are aiming at. We may be 600+
members on this list, but a typical book in Italy sells perhaps a thousand
times as many copies, and mostly to readers who don't have most issues from
the last 40-50 years. So except for absolutes, like paper quality, every
question concerning relative merits of a title will depend on local tradition,
readers' back issue collection and, especially, preferences.
>What criteria would you use? If original stories is your only and primary
>criterion, then as far as I know, only two companies consistently produce
>today brand-new stories: Disney Italia and Egmont. Still, I never heard
>concerted and consistent praises for either Topolino or the Egmont weeklies.
That could be because so many of the dcml members actually don't read the
'meat-and-potatoes' weeklies! At least I have repeatedly had nice words to
say about the stories in Danish and Italian weeklies in recent years.
Too many are basing their opinions on experiences with the books they read
ten years ago, when the overall quality was much lower than now. At least
this goes for Egmont and Italy.
So, how many of you people out there in Europe have read the latest giant
pocket? That's Jumbo, Lustige Taschenbuch, Kalle Anka Pocket, Taskukirja, Super
Komiks, Myndasogu Syrpa, Donald Duck Pocket etc. to you wherever you are.
There's a quite nice story ret-conning the "Steamboat Willie" incident by
that concerted and consistently praised writer Tito Faraci. Try and skip
that 14th annual re-read of "The Square Eggs" and read something new instead.
Who knows, you might even like it.
P.S. I LIKE Komix, Maestri Disney and WDC&S, and I wish we had something like
them in Denmark! But I don't think I'd trade the weeklies for them, if I was
on a desert island, and the plane could only drop one book a week.
oLe
_U [ Ferioli! Faraci! Fumetti fantasticci!! ]
and there are. From what I've seen the so-called 'manga-style' isn't
as outrageous as I was expecting; actually it looks quite nice, and
not nearly as unusual as some Italian stories.
For a laugh, here's a page from an Alvarado-drawn Winnie-the-Pooh story:
http://hjem.get2net.dk/ole.roc/pic/nippooh.jpg
You can get the rest of the story too (for educational purposes only!)
if you like, Frank.
Frank Stajano even wants to contact the publisher for a subscription,
but since I can't read any of the words, he'll have to do with numbers:
phone: 03-3404-1201, fax: 03-3404-0338. Wakarimasu??
To give you an idea about what you're going to yell on the long distance
connection, here are some ads for what appears to be the equivalent of
WDC&S - and the Japanese version of the blue book, MM's 70th Anniversary:
http://hjem.get2net.dk/ole.roc/pic/nipads.jpg
It doesn't show on the scans, but these Pooh-books are, paper quality-wise,
perhaps the best Disney books in the world! Maybe they have to be printed
on extra heavy grade paper to withstand the reading habits of the average
4-year old Disney fan. Imagine, in some far and foreign countries, KIDS
read comic books!!
My friend, "Søren", stirred up a bit of controversy
about the concept of "the best Disney comic book" in the world.
True to say, it's funny how the two Scrooge titles in France ("Picsou"),
Italy ("Zio Paperone") and the Greek "Komix" - and not "I Maestri Disney"
as Sprea thought, and I'd agree with - somehow gained that reputation
without much argumentation about what actually makes up a "good book".
By common consensus 90% Barks, Rosa and Scarpa on white paper is the
right stuff.
>Tell us then: according to you, which are the top 3 Disney publications in
>the world today?
NOT the Danorwegian weekly for sure!
S<oe>ren just fell in love with Paperino Mese, and a million Italians agree
with him; at heart he's an Italian who was born too far up North. :-)
I kind of agree with him for the moment: to me it is much more interesting
to get a copy of some classic Italian story than another edition of a story
I already have, no matter how crisp and pearly white the paper. But that is
of course the words of a year-long reader and collector of comic books -
not the average customer, the publishers are aiming at. We may be 600+
members on this list, but a typical book in Italy sells perhaps a thousand
times as many copies, and mostly to readers who don't have most issues from
the last 40-50 years. So except for absolutes, like paper quality, every
question concerning relative merits of a title will depend on local tradition,
readers' back issue collection and, especially, preferences.
>What criteria would you use? If original stories is your only and primary
>criterion, then as far as I know, only two companies consistently produce
>today brand-new stories: Disney Italia and Egmont. Still, I never heard
>concerted and consistent praises for either Topolino or the Egmont weeklies.
That could be because so many of the dcml members actually don't read the
'meat-and-potatoes' weeklies! At least I have repeatedly had nice words to
say about the stories in Danish and Italian weeklies in recent years.
Too many are basing their opinions on experiences with the books they read
ten years ago, when the overall quality was much lower than now. At least
this goes for Egmont and Italy.
So, how many of you people out there in Europe have read the latest giant
pocket? That's Jumbo, Lustige Taschenbuch, Kalle Anka Pocket, Taskukirja, Super
Komiks, Myndasogu Syrpa, Donald Duck Pocket etc. to you wherever you are.
There's a quite nice story ret-conning the "Steamboat Willie" incident by
that concerted and consistently praised writer Tito Faraci. Try and skip
that 14th annual re-read of "The Square Eggs" and read something new instead.
Who knows, you might even like it.
P.S. I LIKE Komix, Maestri Disney and WDC&S, and I wish we had something like
them in Denmark! But I don't think I'd trade the weeklies for them, if I was
on a desert island, and the plane could only drop one book a week.
oLe
_U [ Ferioli! Faraci! Fumetti fantasticci!! ]
Rodney W Bowcock Jr.
KOMIX
Message 66 -
1999-12-04 at 00:05:34
Yes, in many countries the same Barks stories have seen print countless
times. But does that really matter? They wouldn't continually be
published if there wasn't always new people reading and enjoying them,
right? And besides, I think all of us agree that no one ever has managed
to do a better Disney comics story than Carl Barks. Some have come
*very* close (i.e. Don Rosa) but none have consistantly matched his
level. So even if some of us already have 2 or 3 copies of a story,
what's wrong with printing the very best material available? I can't
think of anything.
~~~Rodney.
"Marriage is a three ring circus. The engagement ring, the wedding ring,
and the suffering."---Lou Costello.
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times. But does that really matter? They wouldn't continually be
published if there wasn't always new people reading and enjoying them,
right? And besides, I think all of us agree that no one ever has managed
to do a better Disney comics story than Carl Barks. Some have come
*very* close (i.e. Don Rosa) but none have consistantly matched his
level. So even if some of us already have 2 or 3 copies of a story,
what's wrong with printing the very best material available? I can't
think of anything.
~~~Rodney.
"Marriage is a three ring circus. The engagement ring, the wedding ring,
and the suffering."---Lou Costello.
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Francesco Spreafico
Japanese comics are best!
Message 67 -
1999-12-04 at 00:45:33
François:
>In Italy, I have the impression that very good stories were made in the
>mid 80s too (Carpi parodies, Massimo De Vita...)!
Yes, definitely better than now.
Sprea
>In Italy, I have the impression that very good stories were made in the
>mid 80s too (Carpi parodies, Massimo De Vita...)!
Yes, definitely better than now.
Sprea
Francois Willot
Japanese comics are best!
Message 68 -
1999-12-04 at 01:40:24
Ole Reichstein Nielsen a écrit:
> At least I have repeatedly had nice words to say about the stories
> in Danish and Italian weeklies in recent years.
> Too many are basing their opinions on experiences with the books
> they read ten years ago, when the overall quality was much lower
> than now. At least this goes for Egmont and Italy.
I find most of the Danish stories made in the late 80s (by Branca, Vicar
and others) very good. Some of the short DD stories produced at that
time are almost as good as the best Barks ten-pagers!
In my opinion: many of today's Egmont stories are not as good as 10
years ago.
In Italy, I have the impression that very good stories were made in the
mid 80s too (Carpi parodies, Massimo De Vita...)!
Francois Willot
http://eclip2.ec-lille.fr/~willot/coa/index.uk.html
> At least I have repeatedly had nice words to say about the stories
> in Danish and Italian weeklies in recent years.
> Too many are basing their opinions on experiences with the books
> they read ten years ago, when the overall quality was much lower
> than now. At least this goes for Egmont and Italy.
I find most of the Danish stories made in the late 80s (by Branca, Vicar
and others) very good. Some of the short DD stories produced at that
time are almost as good as the best Barks ten-pagers!
In my opinion: many of today's Egmont stories are not as good as 10
years ago.
In Italy, I have the impression that very good stories were made in the
mid 80s too (Carpi parodies, Massimo De Vita...)!
Francois Willot
http://eclip2.ec-lille.fr/~willot/coa/index.uk.html
Anders Christian Sivebaek
All
Message 69 -
1999-12-04 at 01:54:58
> Emne: DCML digest, Vol 1 #8 - 25 msgs
This is huge!
Frank
> But again: even more interesting for me would be Japanese reprints of
> classical (say: Barks) stories that I already have; any news on that?
> Basically I'm looking for a Japanese version of something I am
already very
> familiar with, so that I can attempt to decipher the Japanese script
helped
> by the knowledge of what it "should" say.
The japanese manga style-duck-comics reprint many barks-stories,
especially is issue seven
they reprint Ferioli stories too (that's what I have seen in
manga-style, also there was a petrucha, in normal style) The stories
are D-N coded, so you'll only have your own knowledge with stories to
help you find equivalents. I saw another one somewhere that reprinted
barks's Cornelius Coot story, with the maharaja. the maharaja looked
very different from what we are used to!
HARRY
> Yeah.. I'm very curious about that!
> The Dutch weekly probably isn't in it, since Soeren can't read Dutch.
8-)
It's not that hard though, you know... if I can, anyone should be able
to do it! ;-)
> - if it were written in Danish or English...
Now lets be reasonable about danish... few paople apart from danes
themselves are able to speak, read or write danish... Italian maybe
would be better.
> --Harry.
> (Owner of a KOMIX issue)
a, as in one? :-) Lets count our welth in komix-issues shall we? As
Scrooge once did with fish!!
I have 29 issues (should be mentioned that I was in greece in october,
and I only had 6 before that... no, the plane didn't crash because of
overweight of komix:-)
another mail
> Maybe Egmont in Copenhagen can send copies on request?
If they have any in stock that is... it's hard to get a copy... i got
mine from Rob klein, who got it from David, who got it from...
SOEREN
> I happened to get the two issues by a coincidence,
Now, if you weren't my friend and I hadn't met you some times, I
wouldn't like to be called a coincidence:-) Ahem...
> and apart from the articles which I can't read,
I can send you translation of at least one of the letters in the mag.
Oops, i broke the danish law there...
> I don't know, Archontis, but since you do, why go on with this
> discussion?!
I can see your point there, Soeren, but... I guess some wont to defend.
> > What criteria would you use? If original stories is your only and
primary
> > criterion,[...]
> I am happy to see you put the "If" there. Of course I wouldn't
prefere
> magazines with only new material. In fact I would like to see more
old
> Italian pocket material here in Denmark, just not "old" in the sense
of
> "having seen and read much too often", because that is *boring*!
see your point again, I'd like that too. But the greeks didn't see them
in a respectable form before.
BTW some of the persons, that want Komix-issues are people like me who
likes to have something from every country that publishes
disney-comics. others (I know at least one of the kind, and respects
him very much for that effort) want to have everything, in every
possible language by a certain writer. I helped with that on the danish
area.
> Both Topolino and the Egmont's
> are probably still some of the best weeklies in the world.
Talking about stories, you're so right, but my impression is that the
editorials in topolino are for younger people. the editorials in
egmont's countries are good, but not always well-referenced.
SVEN
> I don't know if the editors of KOMIX are members of this list
I quote: our connection is too slow, so we can't.
They said that, but if they get newer computers I'm sure our greek
friends will enlighten them about this list:-)
> but if they
> are I recommend them to set up a website which gives some info about
KOMIX.
Have a look at dcomics.org Arthur's page, that has info on Komix, it's
sadly not updated, and Arthur has told me why. BTW I do think i saw a
greek page about Komix once, but I can't recall the adress. Kriton has
some scans...
> It doesn't have to be hi-tech but just some basic information. Like
how to
> subscribe and what the costs are... Number of pages, size...
That's what's on dcomics.org, about the mags that were in 1997 or so.
> My opinion is that more comics retailers should do that...
agreeed, fully agreed!
> 1) PM
Is that the Italian PM or the french?
> In English a rune-o-meter would go like:
Geir, be proud! This was good:-)
> Kalevala! What a story! Hey, Don Rosa, please continue!
> We adore you and your stories, cannot have enough of comics,
> cannot live without the Duck tales, cannot wait until next issue,
> cannot sleep unless you draw more, will accept your drawings only.
Øyvind
> I sadly have to say that the Norwegian translators hasn't used the
> rune-o-meter either.
That might again be because of their translation. the font is special,
I hope?
Francois Willot
> Picsou #335 has been available since wednesday. It features :
This sounds great Francois! Thanks for providing us with information
about this
better reprints-magazine:-)
> - cover drawing (re-inked Barks "Donald as Santa on a train" drawing)
> - illustration by Don Rosa (illustrate several famous Barks christmas
> stories)
Which number is this?
> - presentation of the Disney cartoon "Il etait une fois Noel"
> (this is a cartoon that was sheduled on TV in the US, introducing a
fat
> Duck lady. Picsou says she is Hewey, Dewey and Louie's aunt, and that
> she could be a parent of Gus Goose).
That's the one we talked about... she's not their aunt! Disney just
took her from some s-coded story, where she's a friend of Scrooge...
Parent of Gus Goose? the father maybe? ;-) Not in my world she isn't...
> - Barks' "You can't Guess"
Hmm... the reprint of the year, huh? It's here too, in next week, with
a very nice cover.
starnge, anyway, cause someone asked about it 7 years ago in the
weeklies now-closed letter-column... what did Donald do with all those
cars. Scrooge saw them and took them, Donald said, as he was editor of
the column...
> - Barks' DD ten-pager from WDC 148 (Donald and Scrooge at restaurant)
Petrolio de Vaselino... his name in the danish version.
> - Barks' DD ten-pager from WDC 172 (Christmas in a submarine)
> - Barks' DD ten-pager from WDC 184 (remake of Three Dirty little
Ducks)
> - Barks' DD ten-pager from WDC 196 (the snow statue contest)
> - Barks' DD ten-pager from WDC 208
> - Barks' DD ten-pager from WDC 220 (roasted turkey)
> - '39 Taliaferro daily gags
Sounds good to me
> Unfortunately, Picsou no more publish any rare Italian stories from
the
> golden age of "Almanacco Topolino", in their original format (Picsou
> nowadays is more "American" than "Italian"). Most of Barks'
ten-pagers
> were only published long ago in the "Journal de Mickey", so these are
> "new" for many French readers.
That's both sad and good the last thing. a printing of sitting high and
the village smith would be new here too... weeklies from 1961 isn't a
year you see very often as a kid... unless you were my kid, and I don't
have any...
> (I gave up trying rhyming after "Belgium" 8-)
Nice one:-) Belgium... just heard about them in the TV tonight.
DON
> FOURTH PRINTING. That's *50,000* copies sold since only
> the second week of November, a little over 3 weeks.
That would be a gold record for you or something if it was a record...
how about a gold edition of it...
I understand it, it is a great book, and a nice compilation of stories,
not to mention the main-one:-)
Good night, and remember to look at www.duckhunt.de
AC
This is huge!
Frank
> But again: even more interesting for me would be Japanese reprints of
> classical (say: Barks) stories that I already have; any news on that?
> Basically I'm looking for a Japanese version of something I am
already very
> familiar with, so that I can attempt to decipher the Japanese script
helped
> by the knowledge of what it "should" say.
The japanese manga style-duck-comics reprint many barks-stories,
especially is issue seven
they reprint Ferioli stories too (that's what I have seen in
manga-style, also there was a petrucha, in normal style) The stories
are D-N coded, so you'll only have your own knowledge with stories to
help you find equivalents. I saw another one somewhere that reprinted
barks's Cornelius Coot story, with the maharaja. the maharaja looked
very different from what we are used to!
HARRY
> Yeah.. I'm very curious about that!
> The Dutch weekly probably isn't in it, since Soeren can't read Dutch.
8-)
It's not that hard though, you know... if I can, anyone should be able
to do it! ;-)
> - if it were written in Danish or English...
Now lets be reasonable about danish... few paople apart from danes
themselves are able to speak, read or write danish... Italian maybe
would be better.
> --Harry.
> (Owner of a KOMIX issue)
a, as in one? :-) Lets count our welth in komix-issues shall we? As
Scrooge once did with fish!!
I have 29 issues (should be mentioned that I was in greece in october,
and I only had 6 before that... no, the plane didn't crash because of
overweight of komix:-)
another mail
> Maybe Egmont in Copenhagen can send copies on request?
If they have any in stock that is... it's hard to get a copy... i got
mine from Rob klein, who got it from David, who got it from...
SOEREN
> I happened to get the two issues by a coincidence,
Now, if you weren't my friend and I hadn't met you some times, I
wouldn't like to be called a coincidence:-) Ahem...
> and apart from the articles which I can't read,
I can send you translation of at least one of the letters in the mag.
Oops, i broke the danish law there...
> I don't know, Archontis, but since you do, why go on with this
> discussion?!
I can see your point there, Soeren, but... I guess some wont to defend.
> > What criteria would you use? If original stories is your only and
primary
> > criterion,[...]
> I am happy to see you put the "If" there. Of course I wouldn't
prefere
> magazines with only new material. In fact I would like to see more
old
> Italian pocket material here in Denmark, just not "old" in the sense
of
> "having seen and read much too often", because that is *boring*!
see your point again, I'd like that too. But the greeks didn't see them
in a respectable form before.
BTW some of the persons, that want Komix-issues are people like me who
likes to have something from every country that publishes
disney-comics. others (I know at least one of the kind, and respects
him very much for that effort) want to have everything, in every
possible language by a certain writer. I helped with that on the danish
area.
> Both Topolino and the Egmont's
> are probably still some of the best weeklies in the world.
Talking about stories, you're so right, but my impression is that the
editorials in topolino are for younger people. the editorials in
egmont's countries are good, but not always well-referenced.
SVEN
> I don't know if the editors of KOMIX are members of this list
I quote: our connection is too slow, so we can't.
They said that, but if they get newer computers I'm sure our greek
friends will enlighten them about this list:-)
> but if they
> are I recommend them to set up a website which gives some info about
KOMIX.
Have a look at dcomics.org Arthur's page, that has info on Komix, it's
sadly not updated, and Arthur has told me why. BTW I do think i saw a
greek page about Komix once, but I can't recall the adress. Kriton has
some scans...
> It doesn't have to be hi-tech but just some basic information. Like
how to
> subscribe and what the costs are... Number of pages, size...
That's what's on dcomics.org, about the mags that were in 1997 or so.
> My opinion is that more comics retailers should do that...
agreeed, fully agreed!
> 1) PM
Is that the Italian PM or the french?
> In English a rune-o-meter would go like:
Geir, be proud! This was good:-)
> Kalevala! What a story! Hey, Don Rosa, please continue!
> We adore you and your stories, cannot have enough of comics,
> cannot live without the Duck tales, cannot wait until next issue,
> cannot sleep unless you draw more, will accept your drawings only.
Øyvind
> I sadly have to say that the Norwegian translators hasn't used the
> rune-o-meter either.
That might again be because of their translation. the font is special,
I hope?
Francois Willot
> Picsou #335 has been available since wednesday. It features :
This sounds great Francois! Thanks for providing us with information
about this
better reprints-magazine:-)
> - cover drawing (re-inked Barks "Donald as Santa on a train" drawing)
> - illustration by Don Rosa (illustrate several famous Barks christmas
> stories)
Which number is this?
> - presentation of the Disney cartoon "Il etait une fois Noel"
> (this is a cartoon that was sheduled on TV in the US, introducing a
fat
> Duck lady. Picsou says she is Hewey, Dewey and Louie's aunt, and that
> she could be a parent of Gus Goose).
That's the one we talked about... she's not their aunt! Disney just
took her from some s-coded story, where she's a friend of Scrooge...
Parent of Gus Goose? the father maybe? ;-) Not in my world she isn't...
> - Barks' "You can't Guess"
Hmm... the reprint of the year, huh? It's here too, in next week, with
a very nice cover.
starnge, anyway, cause someone asked about it 7 years ago in the
weeklies now-closed letter-column... what did Donald do with all those
cars. Scrooge saw them and took them, Donald said, as he was editor of
the column...
> - Barks' DD ten-pager from WDC 148 (Donald and Scrooge at restaurant)
Petrolio de Vaselino... his name in the danish version.
> - Barks' DD ten-pager from WDC 172 (Christmas in a submarine)
> - Barks' DD ten-pager from WDC 184 (remake of Three Dirty little
Ducks)
> - Barks' DD ten-pager from WDC 196 (the snow statue contest)
> - Barks' DD ten-pager from WDC 208
> - Barks' DD ten-pager from WDC 220 (roasted turkey)
> - '39 Taliaferro daily gags
Sounds good to me
> Unfortunately, Picsou no more publish any rare Italian stories from
the
> golden age of "Almanacco Topolino", in their original format (Picsou
> nowadays is more "American" than "Italian"). Most of Barks'
ten-pagers
> were only published long ago in the "Journal de Mickey", so these are
> "new" for many French readers.
That's both sad and good the last thing. a printing of sitting high and
the village smith would be new here too... weeklies from 1961 isn't a
year you see very often as a kid... unless you were my kid, and I don't
have any...
> (I gave up trying rhyming after "Belgium" 8-)
Nice one:-) Belgium... just heard about them in the TV tonight.
DON
> FOURTH PRINTING. That's *50,000* copies sold since only
> the second week of November, a little over 3 weeks.
That would be a gold record for you or something if it was a record...
how about a gold edition of it...
I understand it, it is a great book, and a nice compilation of stories,
not to mention the main-one:-)
Good night, and remember to look at www.duckhunt.de
AC
Dr. Archontis Pantsios
What makes BEST?
Message 70 -
1999-12-04 at 14:05:53
HARRY:
>FYI: Holland and France also produce new stories "consistently". And very
>good ones, too. I'm sure the Dutch weekly would be in the top-3 of best
>current Disney comics - if it were written in Danish or English...
Yes, I was aware of new French stories, but I thought that they produced
just a handful per year and published in JM. Am I wrong on this one?
But you're right about the Dutch Disney comics production--it was my
oversight, and I must concur that I like what comes out from Holland.
SØREN:
>Yes, everything I write is always "in my opinion". The fact that you
>only can refer to people who loves KOMIX isn't surprising. Noone who
>owns say 100 KOMIX would also claim that he or she really don't like the
>magazine--that wouldn't make sense. I happened to get the two issues by
>a coincidence, and apart from the articles which I can't read, there is
>1) Nothing new and 2) Nothing I can't find in (to me readable) Danish in
>one or more versions.
Let me get something straight here: I have no special reasons to promote
KOMIX. On the contrary, I've written many letters criticizing them. And the
last thing I'd want would be to impose my opinion on others.
However, what struck me as odd was your bashing of a magazine simply because
it was in a language you couldn't decipher and because it re-printed
stories. This made little sense to me, but of course we agree to disagree.
>I don't know, Archontis, but since you do, why go on with this
>discussion?!
Leaving your insinuations aside, I never said I know which these are; at
least, though, I tried to articulate as to why I'd think that turning down
something simply because it didn't feature brand-new stories didn't make
much sense...
>I am happy to see you put the "If" there. Of course I wouldn't prefere
>magazines with only new material. In fact I would like to see more old
>Italian pocket material here in Denmark, just not "old" in the sense of
>"having seen and read much too often", because that is *boring*!
I'm someone who owns all the Barks stuff in the original and nearly all the
Rosa material. Yet, I buy "Picsou", "ZIO PAPERONE" and "KOMIX" because I'm
not one-dimensional in my appreciation of a comic book...
And I also get "Super Picsou Geant", "Topolino", "I Grandi Classici Disney",
and "I Classici Disney", and used to get "I MAESTRI DISNEY"; and I greatly
enjoy most of these comics. However, while I greatly enjoy both "Topolino"
and both the "Classicis" as I get to read stories for the first time ever, I
wouldn't put them at the top, because there are MANY characteristics and
dimensions to making a *GREAT* comic book.
Cheers,
Archontis
>FYI: Holland and France also produce new stories "consistently". And very
>good ones, too. I'm sure the Dutch weekly would be in the top-3 of best
>current Disney comics - if it were written in Danish or English...
Yes, I was aware of new French stories, but I thought that they produced
just a handful per year and published in JM. Am I wrong on this one?
But you're right about the Dutch Disney comics production--it was my
oversight, and I must concur that I like what comes out from Holland.
SØREN:
>Yes, everything I write is always "in my opinion". The fact that you
>only can refer to people who loves KOMIX isn't surprising. Noone who
>owns say 100 KOMIX would also claim that he or she really don't like the
>magazine--that wouldn't make sense. I happened to get the two issues by
>a coincidence, and apart from the articles which I can't read, there is
>1) Nothing new and 2) Nothing I can't find in (to me readable) Danish in
>one or more versions.
Let me get something straight here: I have no special reasons to promote
KOMIX. On the contrary, I've written many letters criticizing them. And the
last thing I'd want would be to impose my opinion on others.
However, what struck me as odd was your bashing of a magazine simply because
it was in a language you couldn't decipher and because it re-printed
stories. This made little sense to me, but of course we agree to disagree.
>I don't know, Archontis, but since you do, why go on with this
>discussion?!
Leaving your insinuations aside, I never said I know which these are; at
least, though, I tried to articulate as to why I'd think that turning down
something simply because it didn't feature brand-new stories didn't make
much sense...
>I am happy to see you put the "If" there. Of course I wouldn't prefere
>magazines with only new material. In fact I would like to see more old
>Italian pocket material here in Denmark, just not "old" in the sense of
>"having seen and read much too often", because that is *boring*!
I'm someone who owns all the Barks stuff in the original and nearly all the
Rosa material. Yet, I buy "Picsou", "ZIO PAPERONE" and "KOMIX" because I'm
not one-dimensional in my appreciation of a comic book...
And I also get "Super Picsou Geant", "Topolino", "I Grandi Classici Disney",
and "I Classici Disney", and used to get "I MAESTRI DISNEY"; and I greatly
enjoy most of these comics. However, while I greatly enjoy both "Topolino"
and both the "Classicis" as I get to read stories for the first time ever, I
wouldn't put them at the top, because there are MANY characteristics and
dimensions to making a *GREAT* comic book.
Cheers,
Archontis
Dr. Archontis Pantsios
Variety is the Spice of Life
Message 71 -
1999-12-04 at 14:25:53
OLE:
>By common consensus 90% Barks, Rosa and Scarpa on white paper is the
>right stuff.
No, that's not a correct conclusion. Don Rosa's listing of the criteria that
make a great comic book cover me 100%.
>I kind of agree with him for the moment: to me it is much more interesting
>to get a copy of some classic Italian story than another edition of a story
>I already have, no matter how crisp and pearly white the paper.
But don't you see that you contradict yourself? Getting a copy of some
classic Italian story (which, BTW, KOMIX does that very well!), will ALSO be
a RE-PRINT! Someone else would very well put that as "another edition of a
story (he) already has"! (Ask any of our Italian comrades how they feel
about the re-re-prints of the stories in the two "Classicis")--on the other
hand, *ME*, I *LOVE* them and look forward to getting them each month!...And
so would you, I guess!
>That could be because so many of the dcml members actually don't read the
>'meat-and-potatoes' weeklies! At least I have repeatedly had nice words to
>say about the stories in Danish and Italian weeklies in recent years.
And so did I! Only too recently I wrote words of praise for the "Topolino"
weekly, and Francesco was right there to make sure I keep my feet on the
ground! :-)
>There's a quite nice story ret-conning the "Steamboat Willie" incident by
>that concerted and consistently praised writer Tito Faraci. Try and skip
>that 14th annual re-read of "The Square Eggs" and read something new instead.
>Who knows, you might even like it.
I know that the "you" refers to everybody and not to me specifically, but I
can speak only for myself in saying that I haven't read Barks for *years*
now! Also in 1999, I have raed only *2* Rosa stories. The rest (literally in
the hunderds) came from Italy. I didn't just like them; I LOVED them and am
hooked on them!
Cheers,
Archontis
>By common consensus 90% Barks, Rosa and Scarpa on white paper is the
>right stuff.
No, that's not a correct conclusion. Don Rosa's listing of the criteria that
make a great comic book cover me 100%.
>I kind of agree with him for the moment: to me it is much more interesting
>to get a copy of some classic Italian story than another edition of a story
>I already have, no matter how crisp and pearly white the paper.
But don't you see that you contradict yourself? Getting a copy of some
classic Italian story (which, BTW, KOMIX does that very well!), will ALSO be
a RE-PRINT! Someone else would very well put that as "another edition of a
story (he) already has"! (Ask any of our Italian comrades how they feel
about the re-re-prints of the stories in the two "Classicis")--on the other
hand, *ME*, I *LOVE* them and look forward to getting them each month!...And
so would you, I guess!
>That could be because so many of the dcml members actually don't read the
>'meat-and-potatoes' weeklies! At least I have repeatedly had nice words to
>say about the stories in Danish and Italian weeklies in recent years.
And so did I! Only too recently I wrote words of praise for the "Topolino"
weekly, and Francesco was right there to make sure I keep my feet on the
ground! :-)
>There's a quite nice story ret-conning the "Steamboat Willie" incident by
>that concerted and consistently praised writer Tito Faraci. Try and skip
>that 14th annual re-read of "The Square Eggs" and read something new instead.
>Who knows, you might even like it.
I know that the "you" refers to everybody and not to me specifically, but I
can speak only for myself in saying that I haven't read Barks for *years*
now! Also in 1999, I have raed only *2* Rosa stories. The rest (literally in
the hunderds) came from Italy. I didn't just like them; I LOVED them and am
hooked on them!
Cheers,
Archontis
Francois Willot
What makes BEST?
Message 72 -
1999-12-04 at 15:49:20
Dr. Archontis Pantsios a écrit:
> >FYI: Holland and France also produce new stories "consistently". And very
> >good ones, too. I'm sure the Dutch weekly would be in the top-3 of best
> >current Disney comics - if it were written in Danish or English...
>
> Yes, I was aware of new French stories, but I thought that they produced
> just a handful per year and published in JM. Am I wrong on this one?
>
> But you're right about the Dutch Disney comics production--it was my
> oversight, and I must concur that I like what comes out from Holland.
I think Harry said the Dutch produce 1000 pages a year (?). Hachette
produces something like 800 pages a year. Here are some figures I got
from the Disney database:
Indexed stories for year 1998:
1. Italy 9023
2. Denmark 4157
3. France 812
4. Netherlands 613 (?)
5. Brazil 440
6. Europe 88
(Note: part of pages not counted).
Francois
http://eclip2.ec-lille.fr/~willot/coa/index.uk.html
> >FYI: Holland and France also produce new stories "consistently". And very
> >good ones, too. I'm sure the Dutch weekly would be in the top-3 of best
> >current Disney comics - if it were written in Danish or English...
>
> Yes, I was aware of new French stories, but I thought that they produced
> just a handful per year and published in JM. Am I wrong on this one?
>
> But you're right about the Dutch Disney comics production--it was my
> oversight, and I must concur that I like what comes out from Holland.
I think Harry said the Dutch produce 1000 pages a year (?). Hachette
produces something like 800 pages a year. Here are some figures I got
from the Disney database:
Indexed stories for year 1998:
1. Italy 9023
2. Denmark 4157
3. France 812
4. Netherlands 613 (?)
5. Brazil 440
6. Europe 88
(Note: part of pages not counted).
Francois
http://eclip2.ec-lille.fr/~willot/coa/index.uk.html
Francois Willot
What makes BEST?
Message 73 -
1999-12-04 at 15:49:22
Dr. Archontis Pantsios a écrit:
> >FYI: Holland and France also produce new stories "consistently". And very
> >good ones, too. I'm sure the Dutch weekly would be in the top-3 of best
> >current Disney comics - if it were written in Danish or English...
>
> Yes, I was aware of new French stories, but I thought that they produced
> just a handful per year and published in JM. Am I wrong on this one?
>
> But you're right about the Dutch Disney comics production--it was my
> oversight, and I must concur that I like what comes out from Holland.
I think Harry said the Dutch produce 1000 pages a year (?). Hachette
produces something like 800 pages a year. Here are some figures I got
from the Disney database:
Indexed stories for year 1998:
1. Italy 9023
2. Denmark 4157
3. France 812
4. Netherlands 613 (?)
5. Brazil 440
6. Europe 88
(Note: part of pages not counted).
Francois
http://eclip2.ec-lille.fr/~willot/coa/index.uk.html
> >FYI: Holland and France also produce new stories "consistently". And very
> >good ones, too. I'm sure the Dutch weekly would be in the top-3 of best
> >current Disney comics - if it were written in Danish or English...
>
> Yes, I was aware of new French stories, but I thought that they produced
> just a handful per year and published in JM. Am I wrong on this one?
>
> But you're right about the Dutch Disney comics production--it was my
> oversight, and I must concur that I like what comes out from Holland.
I think Harry said the Dutch produce 1000 pages a year (?). Hachette
produces something like 800 pages a year. Here are some figures I got
from the Disney database:
Indexed stories for year 1998:
1. Italy 9023
2. Denmark 4157
3. France 812
4. Netherlands 613 (?)
5. Brazil 440
6. Europe 88
(Note: part of pages not counted).
Francois
http://eclip2.ec-lille.fr/~willot/coa/index.uk.html
Søren Krarup Olesen
Colours
Message 74 -
1999-12-04 at 15:58:49
FRANCOIS:
> If I had to vote for the best Hachette publication, it may be "Super
> Picsou"! It publishes new Danish stories, together with very old Italian
> stories, and Western stories. And Cavazzano do all covers.
The way you describe it, I am sure it would push JM out from my Top-3
:-)
DON and AC:
> ...Paper quality
> is not even important -- I prefer the way colors sink in to the cheaper
> paper, like in ZIO PAPERONE or the old Dell comics. I think the way color
> sticks to the surface of glossy paper is garish and hides or overpowers the
> art.
Couldn't agree more, however AC wrote (to Stefan):
> > The only bad thing is the colouring of the story. Why can't
> > Egmont do as good colouring as the French publishers?
> That is not only the only problem, that's the always returning
> problem... It seems they use
> a colouring method that is called flood fill! They aren't able to make
> a colur change from the top of the panel to the bottom (skies eg.).
> Picsou and other mags do that... Picsou does it very nice with the new
> story the Coin.
So, AC, you'd actually prefere these IMO "fake" colour changes we see in
Journal de Mickey, KLASIKA and KOMIX? If the glossy paper in itself
"overpowers" the art, those fading colours most certainly overdramatise
the sensation of the stories. Apparently they all use the same standard
procedure; lightblue/white in the bottom fading to darkblue sky on top.
It make the stories look as if they all take place an hour before
sunset. Especially the "open" stories with few background details
suffer; the old Barks stories and Cavazzano's masterpiece "Paperino e il
pacco dinamitardo" looks strange. I haven't seen Don's "The Coin"-story
yet, but I would guess that the art is less fragile towards computer
colouring--there are usually so many other things that attracts your
attention.
Søren
> If I had to vote for the best Hachette publication, it may be "Super
> Picsou"! It publishes new Danish stories, together with very old Italian
> stories, and Western stories. And Cavazzano do all covers.
The way you describe it, I am sure it would push JM out from my Top-3
:-)
DON and AC:
> ...Paper quality
> is not even important -- I prefer the way colors sink in to the cheaper
> paper, like in ZIO PAPERONE or the old Dell comics. I think the way color
> sticks to the surface of glossy paper is garish and hides or overpowers the
> art.
Couldn't agree more, however AC wrote (to Stefan):
> > The only bad thing is the colouring of the story. Why can't
> > Egmont do as good colouring as the French publishers?
> That is not only the only problem, that's the always returning
> problem... It seems they use
> a colouring method that is called flood fill! They aren't able to make
> a colur change from the top of the panel to the bottom (skies eg.).
> Picsou and other mags do that... Picsou does it very nice with the new
> story the Coin.
So, AC, you'd actually prefere these IMO "fake" colour changes we see in
Journal de Mickey, KLASIKA and KOMIX? If the glossy paper in itself
"overpowers" the art, those fading colours most certainly overdramatise
the sensation of the stories. Apparently they all use the same standard
procedure; lightblue/white in the bottom fading to darkblue sky on top.
It make the stories look as if they all take place an hour before
sunset. Especially the "open" stories with few background details
suffer; the old Barks stories and Cavazzano's masterpiece "Paperino e il
pacco dinamitardo" looks strange. I haven't seen Don's "The Coin"-story
yet, but I would guess that the art is less fragile towards computer
colouring--there are usually so many other things that attracts your
attention.
Søren
Francois Willot
What makes BEST?
Message 75 -
1999-12-04 at 16:10:37
Dr. Archontis Pantsios a écrit:
> Yes, I was aware of new French stories, but I thought that
> they produced just a handful per year and published in JM. Am I
> wrong on this one?
Mostly JM, yes (and also more childish stories in "Winnie" and "P'tit
Loup"). Some gags are (or were) occasionally made for Picsou, Super
Picsou, Mickey-Parade, Mickey-Jeux too.
> But you're right about the Dutch Disney comics production--it was my
> oversight, and I must concur that I like what comes out from Holland.
I don't like Barreira's work as much as one or two years ago, but the
Heymans/Kirsten de Graaf stories in "Donald Duck" are very good. I hope
they can do longer stories, and not only the "Duckies" back cover gags
(featuring DA's nieces with kind of strange hairs, and Donald's
nephews).
Sander Gulien too is a very good artist, and of course Daan Jippes.
Also, from the Comicup studio: Lazaro and Bernado are excellent.
> And I also get "Super Picsou Geant", "Topolino", "I Grandi Classici Disney"
If I had to vote for the best Hachette publication, it may be "Super
Picsou"! It publishes new Danish stories, together with very old Italian
stories, and Western stories. And Cavazzano do all covers.
Francois
http://www2.ec-lille.fr/~willot/pipo1.htm
> Yes, I was aware of new French stories, but I thought that
> they produced just a handful per year and published in JM. Am I
> wrong on this one?
Mostly JM, yes (and also more childish stories in "Winnie" and "P'tit
Loup"). Some gags are (or were) occasionally made for Picsou, Super
Picsou, Mickey-Parade, Mickey-Jeux too.
> But you're right about the Dutch Disney comics production--it was my
> oversight, and I must concur that I like what comes out from Holland.
I don't like Barreira's work as much as one or two years ago, but the
Heymans/Kirsten de Graaf stories in "Donald Duck" are very good. I hope
they can do longer stories, and not only the "Duckies" back cover gags
(featuring DA's nieces with kind of strange hairs, and Donald's
nephews).
Sander Gulien too is a very good artist, and of course Daan Jippes.
Also, from the Comicup studio: Lazaro and Bernado are excellent.
> And I also get "Super Picsou Geant", "Topolino", "I Grandi Classici Disney"
If I had to vote for the best Hachette publication, it may be "Super
Picsou"! It publishes new Danish stories, together with very old Italian
stories, and Western stories. And Cavazzano do all covers.
Francois
http://www2.ec-lille.fr/~willot/pipo1.htm