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After all the discussion we had about Scrooge's silk hat, here's a
little Barks quote that shows that people talking about Scrooge not
having bought his hat in a rummage sale in Scotland may not have been
so sloppy in their research.

In "Lost Beneath the Sea", page 7, panel 8, Scrooge receives a cablegram:
"Cablegram for Mr. Scrooge McDuck!... Two more railroads had wrecks! Six
accordion factories folded up! Moths ate your extra silk hat!"

Thus, according to Barks, Scrooge had *two* silk hats, and since Barks
only mentioned how Scrooge got one of those hats, other writers talking
about the origin of whatever hat Scrooge is wearing during their stories,
are not contradicting any Barks "fact".

Come to think of it, it is quite reasonable that Scrooge would have two
hats, as he would need something to keep his head warm when he had his
hat cleaned!

Extrapolating from this, and given that one of these two hats was eaten
by moths in "Lost Beneath the Sea" and the other was left in Terry Fermy
in "Land Beneath the Ground", we must conclude that in stories taking
place after these two stories, Scrooge must be wearing one of two *new*
hats--oh, his aching wallet!
--
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
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"This must be Thursday. I never could get the hang of Thursdays!"
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Fr?n: "Michael Schartau" <m_schartau at hotmail.com>

> By coinsident, I happend to read the KA 7/98 yeasterday witch contained The Cartoonist, D97258.
>

The next issue I pickt up to read was KA 37/97. Containing "Het wassen beeld", H8328.

Donald is (in the end) posing as a wax dummie. The most famous duck in the world. "Born 1934, starring in houndreds of films. Lots of books have been written about him and he has his own weekly magasine."

/Michael

Hi all!

I hope that you all have a fine time in DCML these days. At least most
unserious disputs seems to be gone by now!

Anyway, again I have found it necessary to take a short jump out of
lurk-modus. This time to give some friendly comments to information recently
presented here in DCML:

Comment 1:
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In a recent mail Olaf Solstrand has told us about a map in I-1791. (on panel
2 on page 239 in DD-Pocket #117 "Strandhogg") in where Duckburg IMO is
wrongly placed in Florida on the US Eastern Coast. As this map obviously is
drawn before Don Rosa's map in Lo$ part 10, I can se the possibility that
someone could use it in order to discredit the value of DR's map. So to
prevent any unnecessary turbulence here on DCML caused by this Italian map I
can tell you that Don Rosa's map is based upon a map drawn by Carl Barks
himself in 1952 in panel 1 on page 8 of WDC 155 "Some Heir over the Rainbow"
? a source that predates I-1791 with almost 40 years.

Comment 2:
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In a recent mail Michael Schartau mentions a Dutch story (H8328) in where
Donald is (in the end) posing as a wax dummy - the most famous duck in the
world with a sign saying "Born 1934, starring in hundreds of films. Lots of
books have been written about him and he has his own weekly magazine."

This shows how confused many people are about Donald's birth ? even Dutch
creators. So here is the AFAIK correct Donaldistic facts about the birth and
origin of Donald Duck:

1)
The Donald Duck who appear as an adult in Barks-stories from 1943 on was
BORN ? most probably in Duckburg ? around 1920 as one of a pair of twins.
The other twin being his twin-sister Della Duck whom he likely used to
nick-name "Dumbella" in their young years. No exact date has ever been given
for their birth. 9th of June has been mentioned as has a Friday the 13th.
Some sources mentions a middle name "Fountleroy" for Donald while the name
"Thelma" has once been used for Della*

2)
The Donald Duck character was first CREATED in the early 1930s in Walt
Disbney's studios (this is what our friend Rich Bellacera) once has told me.

3)
Donald Duck's FIRST APPEARANCE in a movie was in "The wise little hen" which
had its premiere on June 9th 1934 ? a date later *defined* as Donald's
birthday.

4)
Don Rosa's "The Duck who never was" has to be regarded as one of DRs fiction
stories ? as it shows Scrooge celebrating Donald's 60th birthday while Don
Rosa other places has shown that Scrooge died while Donald was at most 47
years old (1967-1920 = 47).

* Have anyone ever considered if the names "Fountleroy" and "Thelma" was for
some reason used as the kids names for a period after the family left
Scrooge in 1930? For instance if the kids was left in a foreign home while
their parents (Hortense and Quackmore) was looking for new work ? a
difficult task in the early 1930s.

OK ? Back to lurking again!

Sigvald

Antagligen ?r det hela bara ett marknadsf?ringstrick. De tyckte
s?kert att vinsten var f?r liten och genom att skapa artificiellt
tomrum skapa ett sug och stor gratis publicitet.

Fast vem vet, kanske gick de med f?rlust f?rut?

/ Jonas S Karlsson (wah)

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>2003-01-22 23:20:
>Subject: Re: PRESS RELEASE DISNEY COMICS TO SEE PRINT AGAIN STARTING JUNE, 2003
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> PRESS RELEASE
>DISNEY COMICS TO SEE PRINT AGAIN STARTING JUNE, 2003 FROM GEMSTONE, GEPPI
>SPEAKS
>by Jonah Weiland, Executive Producer
>Posted: December 13, 2002
>
>It's a well known fact that the US comics market is dominated by super-hero
>comics target to a young teen market. While enjoyed by all ages, the target
>audience of these books is generally considered to be adolescent males. There
>are other sectors of the industry geared to a more mature audience, with
>books from Vertigo, Marvel's MAX line and most independents intended for
>adults. While those two audience groups have been served nicely in recent
>years,
>one area left very much behind has been the children's market. Only Archie,
>Bongo (publisher of "Simpsons" comics) and a handful of independent titles
>are intended for children. In yearspast you could count Disney as part of
>that group as well, but for almost five years Disney books have not been seen
>in this market. That is until now.
>
>Starting in June of 2003 Gemstone Publishing and Disney Publishing Worldwide
>will bring back to comic books the classic Disney characters. Mickey,Donald,
>Uncle Scrooge and other Disney favorites will once again be featured in a
>series of monthly comic books to be published by
>Gemstone. "Walt Disney Comics and Stories" and "Uncle Scrooge Adventures" are
>the first titles to see print, with plans to expand the line shortly
>thereafter.
>
>In addition to the Disney Titles, Gemstone Publishing is the home to "The
>Overstreet ComicBook Price Guide," "Comic Book Marketplace" and an assortment
>of other niche magazines and guides. The company was formed by Diamond Comics
>Distributors President and CEO StephenA. Geppi, who spoke with CBR News about
>this announcement. "I'm a big believer in 'timing is everything' and while
>this deal could have been done sooner, I
>personally feel now, call me the eternal optimist or whatever, the timing was
>just better now than it had ever been," Geppi told CBR News Thursday when
>asked why the delay in launchingthis new venture. "All during the period
>that we were negotiating, if you will, while the intent
>was there to do a deal, I never had quite the same level of confidence that
>the timing was right. That said, we look at my situation now as it relates to
>having a
>distribution arm that services the book store market, vis-?-vis Diamond Book
>Distributors, recently formed, that gives me a whole lot more confidence
>about the potential success of this venture."
>For Geppi, timing this launch to maximize its success is the crucial
>component to the venture.
>Previously Diamond did not have a book distribution arm to move this product
>outside the direct market which currently services comic books. With the
>creator of Diamond Book Distributors, Gemstone now has an avenue to travel
>down in order to get these books into mass market shopping centers where
>they'll find the best access to young readers, which Geppi feels is key to
>the health of the comic book industry.
>"It's a business venture we hope will make us tons of money and all the good
>stuff that goes with business ventures, but in actuality, at the risk of
>sounding altruistic, the bottom line is Ireally believe, in the position I
>sit as the owner of Diamond Comic Distributors, that our industry is in dire
>need of some children's comics, and that this is an entry level opportunity
>for young kids to discover comics."While Disney books haven't been seen in
>the States in recent years, they have continually been published in the
>European markets.
>"The bad news is we've all be suffering without Disney comics for three years
>and four months," said Geppi. "The good news is they continue to be published
>by some of our favorite writers and artists in the European market and we are
>now able to benefit from that backlog that has built up in that market
>because, under the Disney license, all that material is available to me.
>While technically a reprint, it is brand new material as far as this market
>is concerned. Even the artists themselves are thrilled to see their stuff in
>English."
>Fans of Duck artists William Van Horn and Don Rosa will be treated to
>material not seen before in the US market. Van Horn, best known for his
>10-page sotries, and Rosa, best known for his epic adventures, will both seen
>their material printed in the US market. Additionally, more recent creators
>well known in the European market like Mouse creator David Gerstein and Duck
>creator Daan Jippes will also see their work published in the States
>
>"I've already been in communication with David Gerstein," said Geppi, "and
>Jippes is another guy I personally think is a tremendous artist. Quite
>frankly, there's a large number of other artists that I didn't even know
>existed, who have been brought to my attention by Disney and as well as
>[European Disney publisher] Egmont, that I think people are going to be quite
>pleased to see how talented these people are." And fans of legendary Ducks
>artist Carl Barks need not worry. There are plans to bring his work back to
>print as well. "The Carl Barks legend needs to be preserved," said Geppi. "I
>know sometimes people will say, "You know those stories have been reprinted
>to death!' You have to remember, Carl produced over 6000 pages of original
>art in his illustrious career and it takes a long while to publish that. So
>by the time the stuff has been republished it's hitting a whole new
>generation. That's the concept here.
>"Remember, reaching children and getting them to become comic readers isn't
>just a matter of putting a four-color comic book in their hands with familiar
>characters and a bad story. In order to retain them the goal is to get them
>to pick up the comic books and when they pick them up they'll be enchanted
>just as we all were by the wonderful stories that Carl wrote and drew, as
>well as his modern day contemporaries, and hence we'll be able to keep them
>hooked, if you will, on comics."
>
>While the Gemstone books will see a mix of material from the European market
>as well as classic reprints, Geppi and crew are looking to find a whole new
>generation of Disney artists for new, original work.
>"We have the luxury of being able to get up and running, so to speak, with
>the benefit of new material constantly flowing because it hasn't been seen
>here, while we recruit and address potential new artists and writers who
>might augment this tremendous repertoire that's available to us."
>For those who remember the work Gladstone Publishing did with the Disney
>books in the late '90s, Gemstone will be picking up where they left off,
>publishing the books in a prestige format with other formats coming.
>"Initially we will be coming back with the 'prestige format' that Gladstone
>was doing at the end of their regime. In other words, the first couple of
>issues that will be solicited for June, 'Walt Disney's Comics and Stores' and
>'Uncle Scrooge,' will look pretty much exactly like they did so that when you
>place them together as a collector they will be contiguous. Worst thing you
>can do to a collector is have a comic book run 800 issues one size and then
>change sizes in the middle of the run.
>"As we gear up for the book store market, mass market if you will, we're
>coming to the conclusion that a format that is going to be very popular
>there, as we
>interview the Wal Mart buyers and people of that nature is, I don't want to
>call it digest-sized because that conjures up in a comic book readers mind
>the smaller, Archie size, but maybe more of a what CrossGen or TokyoPop is
>currently doing in the, let's call it pocket book size. So, the intent is to
>have a value pack kind of approach there. Wherein the prestige formats will
>pick up with the $6.95 cover price Gladstone left off with four years ago, we
>look forward to shortly there after getting these pocket book sized books out
>into the mass market as well as the direct market at a morevalue packed price
>point. Say, $4.95 with 128 or more pages."
>Geppi told CBR News that Diamond is aggressively talking with major retail
>chains in an effort to get these Disney books on their shelves.
>"Kuo-Yu Lang, our top guy at Diamond Book Distributors, has relayed to me in
>his preliminary discussions with the Wal Mart's, Costco's, Target's and
>Barnes and Nobles of the world that there's quite a bit of interest. One of
>the luxuries we have on this side of first publication is that we can solicit
>their input as to size and shape as it relates to their appetite for
>purchase orders. We feel confident that we are going to get a good response
>there and expect that they'll sell well."
>Finally, Geppi has been overwhelmed by the positive response he's received by
>comic retailers and consumers since this announcement first made the rounds.
>"Going into this I went in with a certain amount of trepidation because
>historically the direct market doesn't embrace children's comics, but given
>the absence of them for a time period there's come an almost universal
>recognition of the need for them. I've been getting letters and e-mails from
>some of my long time retailer friends indicating how excited they are about
>them coming back as well as the creators and of course the consumers." For
>those interested in getting more information directly from Gemstone
>concerning theirDisney publications, visit them on the Web at
>www.gemstonepub.com/Disney/.
>_______________________________________________
>http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml
>
>
> / Brevb?raren
>

Jonas S Karlsson (wah) @ DCML (-) Disney Comics Mailing List (import) wrote:

> Antagligen ?r det hela bara ett marknadsf?ringstrick. De tyckte
> s?kert att vinsten var f?r liten och genom att skapa artificiellt
> tomrum skapa ett sug och stor gratis publicitet.
>
> Fast vem vet, kanske gick de med f?rlust f?rut?

Why are you writing in Swedish on an international mailing list? Also,
why would Disney give the license to a different publisher if it were
but a trick?

Stefan

Hey everyone. I have a large assortment of disney comics I would like to
sell. I have around 1/2 of the entire comics and stories run. Also I have the
complete Gladstone thru disney publishing runs of all titles produced during
that time period. Likewise, I have many uncle $crooge and donald duck
comics from the dell period and later. I will sell complete runs of a title like
gladstones Donald Duck or Uncle $cooge or Mickey & Donald. I also have a good
assortment of Dell giants. Email me if there is something you would be
interested in. Best regards to all! Martin

From: Mads Jensen (astrup_jensen at hotmail.com)
Subject: Duck birthdays/years ?
>>>I am little confused about the stories by Don Rosa, that congratulates
him
on his 60th Birthday, although Don considers Donald being born ca. 1920, the
story, I am prescribing is this one: D 93574. Would this be a story, that
Don was ordered to do ?
Another example would be the 50 Year Anniversary story states that Scrooge
McDuck has lived in Duckburg for 50 years. This contradicts yet again with
Rosa's usual periods. The arrival in Duckburg = first appearence of Scrooge
McDuck ? This is yet again an ordered story, I believe ?

None of the stories I do are "ordered". They are "requested". I am a
freelancer. Anyway...

In the first story you site ("The Duck Who Never Was", Donald's 60th
anniversary story), in my original script, a near-sighted clerk reads
Donald's birthdate of the 9th ( of June) (today!) (written as "09")
upside-down so that it looks like "60" to him, and thinks he's 60 years
old... it was a more complicated error than that, but that was the basics of
it. And the characters kid Donald about that later in the story. This way I
was able to have some reference to Donald being 60 years old in the story
without it really being true -- clever, eh? Now... lord only knows what a
careless translator might have done with that simple joke, but it is quite
clear in MY script that Donald is not 60 years old, that this is a foolish
goof on the clerk's part. (Naturally I don't state his actual age in the
story.) Are you sure you read that story correctly?
In the second story you site ("A Little Something Special", $crooge's 50th
anniversary story), since $crooge is obviously well over 50 years old, I
have the characters in the story celebrating the 50th anniversary of
$crooge's first arrival in Duckburg. Why do you think this conflicts with my
"usual periods"? I always say that my "current" stories are taking place in
an indefinite year, surely not always told in chronological order, but all
taking place sometime in the early-mid 1950's. And I stated in chapter 10 of
my "Life of $crooge" that he first arrived in Duckburg in 1902. So "A Little
Something Special" is taking place in 1952. Simple.
What did you misunderstand?

-----Original Message-----
From: Klartekst [mailto:info at klartekst.no]
Sent: Thursday, 5 June 2003 9:40 a.m.
To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
Subject: Using Duck Stories on the Job

<Has anyone else on the list used Duck or Mouse stories in their
educational or professional life?>

Hi everyone,

In my other life as a product designer, Scrooge and Donald appear
occasionally as thumb nail sketches in the margins of concept drawings.

A few digests ago someone (Cord I think) mentioned a reference in a book
that looked at the economic aspects of Carl Barks' stories. Tomorrow I'll
be attending a seminar about the rise of Finland and how it has become the
second most competitive economy in the world and the most advanced in IT,
and how this relates to Finland's use of design, creativity and innovation.

The obvious question to me is, is there any link between Finland's
performance and their avid consumption of Disney comics? What is it about
the psyche of the Fins that make them so imaginative? Does reading Disney
comics help them in this regard or is it a symptom of how their minds work?

Wouldn't it be great if it turned out that all a country needed to do to
succeed was to read lots of Duck stories! That's probably just wishful
thinking!

I'd be interested in any comments from our Finnish or Scandinavian friends.

Shaun