SIGVALD GROSFJELD, 08-06-2003:
> In a recent mail Olaf Solstrand has told us about a map in I-1791.
> (on panel 2 on page 239 in DD-Pocket #117 "Strandhogg") in where
> Duckburg IMO is wrongly placed in Florida on the US Eastern Coast.
> As this map obviously is drawn before Don Rosa's map in Lo$ part 10,
> I can se the possibility that someone could use it in order to
> discredit the value of DR's map. So to prevent any unnecessary
> turbulence here on DCML caused by this Italian map I can tell you
> that Don Rosa's map is based upon a map drawn by Carl Barks himself
> in 1952
There's more than one truth. Especially in Disney comics. Some people
think that Duckburg is in Europe, other people think it's elsewhere.
Maybe alien-readers will think that Duckburg is on their planet,
instead of on our beloved one. Who knows. In fact, I would be very
surprised if there would be any turbulence here, about a highly
different older/newer map of Duckburg being discovered somewhere.
> in panel 1 on page 8 of WDC 155 "Some Heir over the Rainbow"
> ? a source that predates I-1791 with almost 40 years.
The map in panel 7.8 and 8.1 of Barks' story doesn't give much details
on geography and names, at least not readible. Checking the Carl Barks
Library, the only text I could read is "Ye Golde Buried on High Dune"
(I'm not certain about the last word) and, in the text on the left of
the map, I can read "California" in the fourth line. The map only gives
a rough indication. No scale is given. It's hardly a map for us readers,
it's mostly a picture of water on the left, and of land on the right.
However, I'm a bad map-reader. People driving cars rather depend on
Flipism than on my position-finding. :-)
> This shows how confused many people are about Donald's birth ? even
> Dutch creators.
No wonder. That's because there are no birthdates given. This leaves
everyone to his/her own interpretation.
> So here is the AFAIK correct Donaldistic facts about the birth and
> origin of Donald Duck:
> 1) The Donald Duck who appear as an adult in Barks-stories from 1943
> on was BORN ? most probably in Duckburg ? around 1920 as one of a pair
> of twins.
I can't remember any Barks-information on Donald and a sister being
twins. The same for being born in Duckburg. I believe Barks has also
mentioned Burbank as a town where Donald is living.
> The other twin being his twin-sister Della Duck whom he likely used to
> nick-name "Dumbella" in their young years. No exact date has ever been
> given for their birth.
And no exact year has been given.
In 1982, in an interview by Wim van Helden, attended by Daan Jippes, Carl
Barks has told that he found Donald's age difficult to determine, but that
he would look at Donald as being a teenager. (!)
This surprised both Van Helden and Jippes. Van Helden thought of Donald
as being in his half-twenties. Jippes said that he found Donald an adult.
Barks then said that for himself, Donald is more a boy of 15 or 16 years
old, who's suddenly confronted by having to carry responsibilities for
which he's not ready yet. He has a house, he has to raise the nephews and
he has to work, but he completely misses the experience to know how that
all should be done.
Jippes concludes that most people look at Donald and the nephews as a
one-parent family, with Donald as 25 or 30 years old educator. And that
according to Barks, Donald is more a like brother for the nephews. Maybe
that's the reason why they can be so annoying sometimes..., he (Jippes)
wonders.
Barks answers that they were not half as annoying as in the cartoons,
in the 1930s.
Source of interview, only available in Dutch unfortunately:
http://www.seriesam.com/barks/deta_text_s_wvh_interview_1982.html
> Don Rosa's "The Duck who never was" has to be regarded as one of DRs
> fiction stories ?
Maybe. Maybe not. As far as I remember (I can't find the comic), this
story purposely leaves the reader wondering if the adventure was a
dream or reality. I believe that the parts about Donald's birthday
itself, are meant to be real.
> as it shows Scrooge celebrating Donald's 60th birthday while Don
> Rosa other places has shown that Scrooge died while Donald was at
> most 47 years old (1967-1920 = 47).
Only on one place, as far as I know. On an inked fan-drawing, I think.
Or do you count every reproduction of that one drawing as a new,
different place? :-) In the story "The Duck who never was", the age
of 60 years is not taken seriously, as a result of a clever joke.
Anyway, there's not just one truth in Disney comics. There can
be endless discussions about continuity, or the lack thereof, but
there will never be one answer or one solution. And that's the
only continuity fact within Disney comics. Fortunately, I'd say.
BTW. About the hier-story in WDC 155. I've always found the last page
a bit strange. The nephews are rewarded, just for having "FAITH in an
old man and his hopes". Huh? Is the lesson of the story that every old
man with a map deserves to get money from kids with blind faith? And
this leads business-man Scrooge to call the nephews his sole hiers,
in this story? What about the possibility that the nephews where just
*lucky*, this time?
CAREY FURLONG, 06-06-2003:
> "What puny marks men make on the face of the land."
I still have no idea. Without checking, my guess would be "Want to buy
an island" (WDC 235). The scene where Donald discovers strange spots
on "his" island. Otherwise, I admit that I need a hint.
It *is* a Barks quote, right?
I found out that it's far easier to mention a quote, than to guess one. :-)
--- Dani?l
Author
Topic: 200306
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Daniel Van Eijmeren
Maps and birthdates / Donald as teenager/ Some hier (WDC 155) /
Message 166 -
2003-06-10 at 05:05:24
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Scrooge's other hat
Message 167 -
2003-06-10 at 06:09:47
KRITON KYRIMIS, 08-06-2003:
> In "Lost Beneath the Sea", page 7, panel 8, Scrooge receives a
> cablegram: "Cablegram for Mr. Scrooge McDuck!... Two more railroads
> had wrecks! Six accordion factories folded up! Moths ate your extra
> silk hat!" Thus, according to Barks, Scrooge had *two* silk hats,
In "Clothes make the duck" (US 32), tramp Scrooge gets new clothes
for free. His silk hat is very damaged and dirty. When he's presented
in his new clothes, he has a shiny and clean silk hat. This could be
the damaged and dirty silk silk hat, restored to make it look as new.
But isn't that unlikely, and at least more expensive than a new silk
hat? So, that's why I think this story could be an *indication* of
another hat replacement.
In "The Golden River" (US 22), Scrooge's silk hat gets damaged by a
stone falling from the waterfall. The hat keeps on being damaged in
the rest of the story, up to the very last panel. (By the way, this
is rather unique for a comic. Normally, damaged clothes restore
themselves within a few panels.)
In "The Lemming with the locket" (US 9), Scrooge's silk hat falls into
the water, with the lemming in it. I can't remember a replacement of
the silk hat, but this little accident might be interesting to notice.
There's also a Scrooge gag (US 13) in which Scrooge has a different
type of hat in the winter, to avoid his regular silk hat being damaged
by snow balls.
In a Donald Duck gag (DD 51), Donald tries to sell Scrooge a comfortable
hat. This gag has obviously been cut from a full page. (See Barrier.)
In this gag, at least as published, Donald has no success in selling
Scrooge a hat.
--- Dani?l
> In "Lost Beneath the Sea", page 7, panel 8, Scrooge receives a
> cablegram: "Cablegram for Mr. Scrooge McDuck!... Two more railroads
> had wrecks! Six accordion factories folded up! Moths ate your extra
> silk hat!" Thus, according to Barks, Scrooge had *two* silk hats,
In "Clothes make the duck" (US 32), tramp Scrooge gets new clothes
for free. His silk hat is very damaged and dirty. When he's presented
in his new clothes, he has a shiny and clean silk hat. This could be
the damaged and dirty silk silk hat, restored to make it look as new.
But isn't that unlikely, and at least more expensive than a new silk
hat? So, that's why I think this story could be an *indication* of
another hat replacement.
In "The Golden River" (US 22), Scrooge's silk hat gets damaged by a
stone falling from the waterfall. The hat keeps on being damaged in
the rest of the story, up to the very last panel. (By the way, this
is rather unique for a comic. Normally, damaged clothes restore
themselves within a few panels.)
In "The Lemming with the locket" (US 9), Scrooge's silk hat falls into
the water, with the lemming in it. I can't remember a replacement of
the silk hat, but this little accident might be interesting to notice.
There's also a Scrooge gag (US 13) in which Scrooge has a different
type of hat in the winter, to avoid his regular silk hat being damaged
by snow balls.
In a Donald Duck gag (DD 51), Donald tries to sell Scrooge a comfortable
hat. This gag has obviously been cut from a full page. (See Barrier.)
In this gag, at least as published, Donald has no success in selling
Scrooge a hat.
--- Dani?l
Carey Furlong
The Elusive Barks Quote
Message 168 -
2003-06-10 at 06:47:24
In answer to the following quote, "Daniel van Eijmeren wrote:
> > "What puny marks men make on the face of the land."
>
> I still have no idea. Without checking, my guess would be "Want to buy
> an island" (WDC 235). The scene where Donald discovers strange spots
> on "his" island. Otherwise, I admit that I need a hint.
>
> It *is* a Barks quote, right?
>
> I found out that it's far easier to mention a quote, than to
> guess one. :-)
No, Danikl, it's not "Want to buy an island," WDC 235, and yes, it is a
Barks quote.
What's funny is I really did think you knew the answer right off, and you
were being polite by not solving it immediately, giving others a shot at it.
This, of course, deflated my ego quite effectively, and I spent all weekend
trying to think of other quotes that might stump you! (LOL!)
Here's a fairly good hint from the same story:
"My Bin and my ground and my ways will stay the same forever."
Carey Furlong
> > "What puny marks men make on the face of the land."
>
> I still have no idea. Without checking, my guess would be "Want to buy
> an island" (WDC 235). The scene where Donald discovers strange spots
> on "his" island. Otherwise, I admit that I need a hint.
>
> It *is* a Barks quote, right?
>
> I found out that it's far easier to mention a quote, than to
> guess one. :-)
No, Danikl, it's not "Want to buy an island," WDC 235, and yes, it is a
Barks quote.
What's funny is I really did think you knew the answer right off, and you
were being polite by not solving it immediately, giving others a shot at it.
This, of course, deflated my ego quite effectively, and I spent all weekend
trying to think of other quotes that might stump you! (LOL!)
Here's a fairly good hint from the same story:
"My Bin and my ground and my ways will stay the same forever."
Carey Furlong
Lars Jensen
The Elusive Barks Quote
Message 169 -
2003-06-10 at 14:21:19
Carey Furlong wrote:
> > "What puny marks men make on the face of the land."
>
> Here's a fairly good hint from the same story:
>
> "My Bin and my ground and my ways will stay the same forever."
The story where Scrooge's money bin is in the way of a turnpike? (US 15,
1956.)
Lars
> > "What puny marks men make on the face of the land."
>
> Here's a fairly good hint from the same story:
>
> "My Bin and my ground and my ways will stay the same forever."
The story where Scrooge's money bin is in the way of a turnpike? (US 15,
1956.)
Lars
Michiel Prior
Damaged silk hat
Message 170 -
2003-06-10 at 15:56:21
Dani?l van Eijmeren wrote:
> In "The Golden River" (US 22), Scrooge's silk hat gets damaged by a
> stone falling from the waterfall. The hat keeps on being damaged in the
> rest of the story, up to the very last panel. (By the way, this is rather
> unique for a comic. Normally, damaged clothes restore themselves
> within a few panels.)
Like James Bond climbing out of the water and his suit instantanely being
dry in the very next scene, right?
In Don Rosa's stories, damaged or lost clothes keep being damaged or lost
for the rest of the story, unless Scrooge or Donald get a chance to replace
their hats/suits/etc. In "The Crown of the Crusader Kings", the button of
Dewey's cap jumps off in a comicstyle surprise-reaction and keeps
dangling on a loose thread till the end of that story.
There seems also to be a rule for when the characters wear their hats or
not. It's very obvious and simple, although it took me a while tot discover it:
when outdoors, Donald, Scrooge and the nephews wear their hats and caps
(unless the headwear gets lost, of course) and indoors they go bare-headed.
> As far as I remember (I can't find the comic), this story purposely
> leaves the reader wondering if the adventure was a dream or reality. I
> believe that the parts about Donald's birthday itself, are meant to be
> real.
That's right. You can find "The Duck who never was" in DD
Vakantieboek 1995. One good thing about stories being published in
those Vakantieboeken is the lettering, which is neater and nicer than the
common DD/DD Extra lettering. The most recent lettering for De Beste
Verhalen looks imho also awful, at least when compared to the
handlettered (?) earlier issues (like "Lost in the Andes").
Michiel Prior.
> In "The Golden River" (US 22), Scrooge's silk hat gets damaged by a
> stone falling from the waterfall. The hat keeps on being damaged in the
> rest of the story, up to the very last panel. (By the way, this is rather
> unique for a comic. Normally, damaged clothes restore themselves
> within a few panels.)
Like James Bond climbing out of the water and his suit instantanely being
dry in the very next scene, right?
In Don Rosa's stories, damaged or lost clothes keep being damaged or lost
for the rest of the story, unless Scrooge or Donald get a chance to replace
their hats/suits/etc. In "The Crown of the Crusader Kings", the button of
Dewey's cap jumps off in a comicstyle surprise-reaction and keeps
dangling on a loose thread till the end of that story.
There seems also to be a rule for when the characters wear their hats or
not. It's very obvious and simple, although it took me a while tot discover it:
when outdoors, Donald, Scrooge and the nephews wear their hats and caps
(unless the headwear gets lost, of course) and indoors they go bare-headed.
> As far as I remember (I can't find the comic), this story purposely
> leaves the reader wondering if the adventure was a dream or reality. I
> believe that the parts about Donald's birthday itself, are meant to be
> real.
That's right. You can find "The Duck who never was" in DD
Vakantieboek 1995. One good thing about stories being published in
those Vakantieboeken is the lettering, which is neater and nicer than the
common DD/DD Extra lettering. The most recent lettering for De Beste
Verhalen looks imho also awful, at least when compared to the
handlettered (?) earlier issues (like "Lost in the Andes").
Michiel Prior.
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Moving money bin (US 15) (The Elusive Barks Quote)
Message 171 -
2003-06-10 at 17:37:41
LARS JENSEN to CAREY FURLONG, 10-06-2003:
>>> "What puny marks men make on the face of the land."
>> Here's a fairly good hint from the same story:
>> "My Bin and my ground and my ways will stay the same forever."
> The story where Scrooge's money bin is in the way of a turnpike?
> (US 15, 1956.)
Ah yes, of course! Panel 6.1. I should have known it. (But I didn't!)
Now this story is mentioned, I reminded of panel 7.2 that looks very
strange to me. To my eyes, the nephew and Scrooge somehow don't match
together. The nephew does not look like Barks's style to me. And the
tails of the balloons look like they're altered to match with the
nephew and Scrooge.
My theory is that this is one of the instances where a final page was
cut down to make room for an advertisement (in this case), a Dell
Pledge, or something else. If so, then panel 7.2 may have been
constructed by the editor, by using Barks's art and by drawing new art
themselves.
I've carbon copied this email to David Gerstein, maybe he can shine his
(x-ray) light on my thoughts about this page. What do you think of the
nephew, David? Is it drawn by Barks, or at least partly drawn by Barks?
Or is it drawn by someone else than Barks, completely? What do you think
of the panel's composition and the lettering? (To me it looks like a
panel that possibly only contained Scrooge as close-up.) And do you see
any signs of cuts in page 1 to page 6, and the other panels of page 7?
--- Dani?l
>>> "What puny marks men make on the face of the land."
>> Here's a fairly good hint from the same story:
>> "My Bin and my ground and my ways will stay the same forever."
> The story where Scrooge's money bin is in the way of a turnpike?
> (US 15, 1956.)
Ah yes, of course! Panel 6.1. I should have known it. (But I didn't!)
Now this story is mentioned, I reminded of panel 7.2 that looks very
strange to me. To my eyes, the nephew and Scrooge somehow don't match
together. The nephew does not look like Barks's style to me. And the
tails of the balloons look like they're altered to match with the
nephew and Scrooge.
My theory is that this is one of the instances where a final page was
cut down to make room for an advertisement (in this case), a Dell
Pledge, or something else. If so, then panel 7.2 may have been
constructed by the editor, by using Barks's art and by drawing new art
themselves.
I've carbon copied this email to David Gerstein, maybe he can shine his
(x-ray) light on my thoughts about this page. What do you think of the
nephew, David? Is it drawn by Barks, or at least partly drawn by Barks?
Or is it drawn by someone else than Barks, completely? What do you think
of the panel's composition and the lettering? (To me it looks like a
panel that possibly only contained Scrooge as close-up.) And do you see
any signs of cuts in page 1 to page 6, and the other panels of page 7?
--- Dani?l
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Changes on Barks's "Ghost of the Grotto", "Adventure Down Under",
Message 172 -
2003-06-10 at 18:56:22
Last Sunday, David Gerstein told me about what he noticed in "Ghost
of the Grotto" (OS 159), "Adventure Down Under" (OS 159), "Porky of
the Mounties" (OS 48, non-Disney) and "The Firebug" (OS 108).
David, if you have additions (or corrections), then please let me know.
GHOST OF THE GROTTO
David thinks that the title and opening caption in panel 1.1 are in
Carl Buettner's handwriting. (David, do you mean the *entire* title
or only the "Ghost of the Grotto"-part of it?)
All references to a "ghost" in the story are also in Buettner's hand.
panel 10.5: Nephews' balloons are added.
panel 10.6: Top line of Donald's dialogue is rewritten to add a
ghost reference.
BTW. I - or was it Harry Fluks? - noted that the nephews' balloon
in the center of panel 13.2 looks strange. ("The ARMORED man!")
The balloon has no tail, and its location in the panel looks a bit
strange to me. What was your conclusion, David? I don't remember.
ADVENTURE DOWN UNDER
panel 13.7: ("there are WILD BUSHMEN out here!") "Bushmen" is in
Buettner's lettering... it was originally something else...
panel 14.8: ("Well, it looks like I'm adopted! But how'll I get away?")
The text "adopted! But how'll I get away?" is all Buettner's.
panel 19.7: "bad spirit" is in Buettner's lettering.
BTW. I see that the moon in panel 15.4 has a face. Could this face
(or the entire moon) have been added by the editor? It looks a bit
strange to me.
PORKY OF THE MOUNTIES
All redrawn Bugs, Porky, Petunia heads are definitely Carl Buettner's
work. Title in panel 1.1 "Porky of the Mounties" is also in Buettner's
lettering. (See his Bucky Bug title in WDC 610 for a direct comparison.)
Title "Leon Schlesinger presents PORKY PIG" is Barks!
THE FIREBUG
David said that to him, the last two panels do NOT look like Buettner.
--- Dani?l
"Now - when I NEED to be a kangaroo - no hypnotist is around!" (OS 159)
of the Grotto" (OS 159), "Adventure Down Under" (OS 159), "Porky of
the Mounties" (OS 48, non-Disney) and "The Firebug" (OS 108).
David, if you have additions (or corrections), then please let me know.
GHOST OF THE GROTTO
David thinks that the title and opening caption in panel 1.1 are in
Carl Buettner's handwriting. (David, do you mean the *entire* title
or only the "Ghost of the Grotto"-part of it?)
All references to a "ghost" in the story are also in Buettner's hand.
panel 10.5: Nephews' balloons are added.
panel 10.6: Top line of Donald's dialogue is rewritten to add a
ghost reference.
BTW. I - or was it Harry Fluks? - noted that the nephews' balloon
in the center of panel 13.2 looks strange. ("The ARMORED man!")
The balloon has no tail, and its location in the panel looks a bit
strange to me. What was your conclusion, David? I don't remember.
ADVENTURE DOWN UNDER
panel 13.7: ("there are WILD BUSHMEN out here!") "Bushmen" is in
Buettner's lettering... it was originally something else...
panel 14.8: ("Well, it looks like I'm adopted! But how'll I get away?")
The text "adopted! But how'll I get away?" is all Buettner's.
panel 19.7: "bad spirit" is in Buettner's lettering.
BTW. I see that the moon in panel 15.4 has a face. Could this face
(or the entire moon) have been added by the editor? It looks a bit
strange to me.
PORKY OF THE MOUNTIES
All redrawn Bugs, Porky, Petunia heads are definitely Carl Buettner's
work. Title in panel 1.1 "Porky of the Mounties" is also in Buettner's
lettering. (See his Bucky Bug title in WDC 610 for a direct comparison.)
Title "Leon Schlesinger presents PORKY PIG" is Barks!
THE FIREBUG
David said that to him, the last two panels do NOT look like Buettner.
--- Dani?l
"Now - when I NEED to be a kangaroo - no hypnotist is around!" (OS 159)
Gerstein, David DK - ECN
What is in the new Donald Duck Adventures pocket?
Message 173 -
2003-06-10 at 20:44:53
OLE (and everyone!):
>Mickey Mouse: Panicking Pachyderm (D 2001-032) 37 pages, by McGreals?/Xavi
>Found in Danish Jumbo 270.
This story is really written by Mark and Laura Shaw. Was it
miscredited to the McGreals somewhere?
David
>Mickey Mouse: Panicking Pachyderm (D 2001-032) 37 pages, by McGreals?/Xavi
>Found in Danish Jumbo 270.
This story is really written by Mark and Laura Shaw. Was it
miscredited to the McGreals somewhere?
David
Stefan Persson
What is in the new Donald Duck Adventures pocket?
Message 174 -
2003-06-10 at 20:47:45
Gerstein, David DK - ECN wrote:
> > Mickey Mouse: Panicking Pachyderm (D 2001-032) 37 pages, by McGreals?/Xavi
> > Found in Danish Jumbo 270.
>
> This story is really written by Mark and Laura Shaw. Was it
> miscredited to the McGreals somewhere?
At least not in Sweden.
Stefan
> > Mickey Mouse: Panicking Pachyderm (D 2001-032) 37 pages, by McGreals?/Xavi
> > Found in Danish Jumbo 270.
>
> This story is really written by Mark and Laura Shaw. Was it
> miscredited to the McGreals somewhere?
At least not in Sweden.
Stefan
Gary Pantzer
Ducks and education/DD in Mathmagic
Message 175 -
2003-06-11 at 00:40:45
I'm a little late adding my 2 cents to a previous string about Disney
ducks and education because I had not read the DCML in some
time. *Many* years ago, we were assigned to write an essay on
any subject as long as it was related to history. About that same time
I bought a Disney comic book that had Scrooge explaining to HDL
a brief review of 'money' (in its many forms) around the world and
in history (although I now realize there was no mention of Templar).
Using this and other 'mainstream' sources (all had to be listed), I did
the essay on money through the ages. I recieved an "A" and a note
from the teacher that nobody had ever listed a comic book as a
reference before.
I also remember that in junior high school, we were shown a Donald
Duck cartoon called "Donald Duck in Mathmagic Land". I wonder
how many here on the list ever saw it. I did a Google search and it
was released on VHS, but is only available from some educational
supply sites. It is also sold often on Ebay for $20 to $30.
Gary
ducks and education because I had not read the DCML in some
time. *Many* years ago, we were assigned to write an essay on
any subject as long as it was related to history. About that same time
I bought a Disney comic book that had Scrooge explaining to HDL
a brief review of 'money' (in its many forms) around the world and
in history (although I now realize there was no mention of Templar).
Using this and other 'mainstream' sources (all had to be listed), I did
the essay on money through the ages. I recieved an "A" and a note
from the teacher that nobody had ever listed a comic book as a
reference before.
I also remember that in junior high school, we were shown a Donald
Duck cartoon called "Donald Duck in Mathmagic Land". I wonder
how many here on the list ever saw it. I did a Google search and it
was released on VHS, but is only available from some educational
supply sites. It is also sold often on Ebay for $20 to $30.
Gary
Olaf Solstrand
William Van Horn
Message 176 -
2003-06-11 at 07:09:13
William Van Horn and Rumpus McFowl
Lots of things have happened here in my period of "not paying attention to
DCML because I pretended to have better things to do to my life", I see...
Reading up on some old logs now, and here are some answers and opinions on a
message about William Van Horn issue from March...
Tue Mar 18 15:03:48 CET 2003, Monsieur L. Schulte wrote:
"Concerning William Van Horn's stories: I at first was not too appreciative
of his stories or of the "zany" art style. But his later stories for
Gladstone became better, and in fact the last one he did for Gladstone US
#318 called "Secrets" with Scrooge's half-brother Rumpus was classic."
Can someone please tell me what story that one was? The one with the
cigars - or the one where a lawyor tried to get Rumpus half of Scrooge's
money? I guess the first one (which I agree was a masterpiece), but have to
ask. (Hey, I didn't know that was a Gladstone comic! Oh... I just read
Harry's message. It wasn't.) If it was the second one: Can someone please
tell me what Scrooge's _LAST_ dialogue balloon in that story was in its
original language? Sorry to ask for it in such, but I'm really curious about
that, as the Norwegian translator changed this to a Henrik Ibsen quote -
which I frankly wouldn't expect to find in a comic by an American writer.
[And to trigger the curiousity of all Ibsen-lovers out there: Scrooge said
"Folk som ham vil alltid v?re seg selv nok!" ("People like him will always
be themselves enough" - as stated by The Old Man of the Dovre: "Out yonder,
under the shining vault, // among men the saying goes: 'Man, be thyself!' //
At home here with us, 'mid the tribe of the trolls, // the saying goes:
'Troll, to thyself be-enough!'" in "Peer Gynt", act second, scene sixth).
Wow, did I manage to say all that without going off-topic? I'm impressed!]
"I thought he was in his 60's, so he might be retiring or has already
retired (?)."
Just to mention it: He's 64 years old (born February 15th 1939). Still not
retired. Let's hope he keeps on working at least until he reaches Scarpa's
age (75).
As for the "Carl Barks successor" issue, I won't comment it too much as I
know that Monsieur Sigvald Gr?sfjeld is out lurking nowadays (and thus
can't/won't respond to this). But I'm still having problems seeing where
Carl Barks said that Scrooge does NOT have a half-brother (besides, as
Rumpus didn't know before he found that letter, how was _Carl Barks_
supposed to know that fourty years earlier?) And, as far as I remember, Van
Horn _WAS_ Barks' personal choice of artist for "Horsing around in
history"... But hey, I'm not here to argue. I find _all_ Disney comics
creators (well... almost) good successors of Carl Barks.
By the way - seems like I really have missed PLENTY of great discussions the
last months. I _will_ read my way back in the near future, so don't be
shocked if I suddenly answer to something written in late '02. (don't
worry - I'll try not to write just to write, but only say something if it
hasn't been said yet.)
Olaf the Blue
"So gather up your jackets, move into the exits,
I hope you have found a friend,
Closing time - every new beginning
comes from some other beginning's end..."
Lots of things have happened here in my period of "not paying attention to
DCML because I pretended to have better things to do to my life", I see...
Reading up on some old logs now, and here are some answers and opinions on a
message about William Van Horn issue from March...
Tue Mar 18 15:03:48 CET 2003, Monsieur L. Schulte wrote:
"Concerning William Van Horn's stories: I at first was not too appreciative
of his stories or of the "zany" art style. But his later stories for
Gladstone became better, and in fact the last one he did for Gladstone US
#318 called "Secrets" with Scrooge's half-brother Rumpus was classic."
Can someone please tell me what story that one was? The one with the
cigars - or the one where a lawyor tried to get Rumpus half of Scrooge's
money? I guess the first one (which I agree was a masterpiece), but have to
ask. (Hey, I didn't know that was a Gladstone comic! Oh... I just read
Harry's message. It wasn't.) If it was the second one: Can someone please
tell me what Scrooge's _LAST_ dialogue balloon in that story was in its
original language? Sorry to ask for it in such, but I'm really curious about
that, as the Norwegian translator changed this to a Henrik Ibsen quote -
which I frankly wouldn't expect to find in a comic by an American writer.
[And to trigger the curiousity of all Ibsen-lovers out there: Scrooge said
"Folk som ham vil alltid v?re seg selv nok!" ("People like him will always
be themselves enough" - as stated by The Old Man of the Dovre: "Out yonder,
under the shining vault, // among men the saying goes: 'Man, be thyself!' //
At home here with us, 'mid the tribe of the trolls, // the saying goes:
'Troll, to thyself be-enough!'" in "Peer Gynt", act second, scene sixth).
Wow, did I manage to say all that without going off-topic? I'm impressed!]
"I thought he was in his 60's, so he might be retiring or has already
retired (?)."
Just to mention it: He's 64 years old (born February 15th 1939). Still not
retired. Let's hope he keeps on working at least until he reaches Scarpa's
age (75).
As for the "Carl Barks successor" issue, I won't comment it too much as I
know that Monsieur Sigvald Gr?sfjeld is out lurking nowadays (and thus
can't/won't respond to this). But I'm still having problems seeing where
Carl Barks said that Scrooge does NOT have a half-brother (besides, as
Rumpus didn't know before he found that letter, how was _Carl Barks_
supposed to know that fourty years earlier?) And, as far as I remember, Van
Horn _WAS_ Barks' personal choice of artist for "Horsing around in
history"... But hey, I'm not here to argue. I find _all_ Disney comics
creators (well... almost) good successors of Carl Barks.
By the way - seems like I really have missed PLENTY of great discussions the
last months. I _will_ read my way back in the near future, so don't be
shocked if I suddenly answer to something written in late '02. (don't
worry - I'll try not to write just to write, but only say something if it
hasn't been said yet.)
Olaf the Blue
"So gather up your jackets, move into the exits,
I hope you have found a friend,
Closing time - every new beginning
comes from some other beginning's end..."
Olaf Solstrand
Copies (Don Rosa)
Message 177 -
2003-06-11 at 10:26:08
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:36:12 -0500, Don Rosa wrote:
"But all central and western European countries not only send me copies of
my works but send me at least one copy of *every* issue of their
weeklies/monthlies, and sometimes (France, Italy, Norway, Greece) send me up
to 5 copies of everything."
Would you (or others) happen to know if this is the case for ALL Disney
Comics writers and artists, or just those born in June and living in
Louisville?
YES, I'm asking on my own behalf, and I don't even bother to deny it. The
reason I ask... well, some weeks ago I asked around on the DCML if people
could buy copies for me in their countries of those Disney comics written by
_me_ (published all around the world - or Scandinavia at least - starting in
less than two weeks) because I'm really eager to see what they will look
like in exotic languages like Swedish, Danish etcetera. However - if you're
saying that the (non-Dutch) publishers normally send these issues to the
writers and artists... I wouldn't have to spend so much effort (and not to
forget, money!) on this. But, if this goes only for the "bigger" creators...
well, that's not a problem for me at all, having such great friends all over
the world in the DCML - but I would love to know this. That way, I wouldn't
have to buy all these comics I will get for free anyway. (OK, that may not
sound like a very big deal - but in the hard world of student loans, it is!)
Olaf the Blue
www.andebyonline.com
----------------------------------------
"I _love_ to listen to _air-raid sirens_! If I set off my favorite portable
siren in a crowded restaurant, do you suppose the _smokers_ would object?"
Don Rosa, C.K.'s pre-decoded secret message, April 26th, 1980
"But all central and western European countries not only send me copies of
my works but send me at least one copy of *every* issue of their
weeklies/monthlies, and sometimes (France, Italy, Norway, Greece) send me up
to 5 copies of everything."
Would you (or others) happen to know if this is the case for ALL Disney
Comics writers and artists, or just those born in June and living in
Louisville?
YES, I'm asking on my own behalf, and I don't even bother to deny it. The
reason I ask... well, some weeks ago I asked around on the DCML if people
could buy copies for me in their countries of those Disney comics written by
_me_ (published all around the world - or Scandinavia at least - starting in
less than two weeks) because I'm really eager to see what they will look
like in exotic languages like Swedish, Danish etcetera. However - if you're
saying that the (non-Dutch) publishers normally send these issues to the
writers and artists... I wouldn't have to spend so much effort (and not to
forget, money!) on this. But, if this goes only for the "bigger" creators...
well, that's not a problem for me at all, having such great friends all over
the world in the DCML - but I would love to know this. That way, I wouldn't
have to buy all these comics I will get for free anyway. (OK, that may not
sound like a very big deal - but in the hard world of student loans, it is!)
Olaf the Blue
www.andebyonline.com
----------------------------------------
"I _love_ to listen to _air-raid sirens_! If I set off my favorite portable
siren in a crowded restaurant, do you suppose the _smokers_ would object?"
Don Rosa, C.K.'s pre-decoded secret message, April 26th, 1980
Eta Beta
Barks' Firebug
Message 178 -
2003-06-11 at 11:14:56
DANIEL, DAVID
>THE FIREBUG
>
>David said that to him, the last two panels do NOT look like Buettner.
I rather agree with David.
Barks stated himself that "these two panels would have been done
by one of the staff artists, either Carl Buettner or Tom McKimson"
(ref: Donald and the Censor, Gladstone LICD 4, excerpts from
interviews by Donald Ault, Thomas Andrae and Bruce Hamilton)
So, if we feel safe to rule out Buettner, here's already a
likely candidate.
Cheers!
Eta Beta
>THE FIREBUG
>
>David said that to him, the last two panels do NOT look like Buettner.
I rather agree with David.
Barks stated himself that "these two panels would have been done
by one of the staff artists, either Carl Buettner or Tom McKimson"
(ref: Donald and the Censor, Gladstone LICD 4, excerpts from
interviews by Donald Ault, Thomas Andrae and Bruce Hamilton)
So, if we feel safe to rule out Buettner, here's already a
likely candidate.
Cheers!
Eta Beta
Dan Shane
Doth thee doff thy chapeau?
Message 179 -
2003-06-11 at 14:03:38
MICHIEL PRIOR WROTE:
> There seems also to be a rule for when the characters wear their hats or
> not. It's very obvious and simple, although it took me a while
> tot discover it:
> when outdoors, Donald, Scrooge and the nephews wear their hats and caps
> (unless the headwear gets lost, of course) and indoors they go
> bare-headed.
AND I REPLY:
This is possibly a reflection of the custom when Barks and others were
creating comic stories in the 1940s to the 1960s (at least in the US). It
was considered bad manners to wear a hat in someone's home or in a business
office, and I still find it irksome to see so many people who refuse to bear
their heads at the dinner table or in a classroom.
It was customary for many to wear a hat outdoors in that time period, and if
a man entered a public building it was okay to keep his hat on in the lobby
or hallways. He could continue to wear the hat in an elevator unless a lady
was present. He was expected to remove the hat if a woman entered the lift.
Once a man entered an office would remove his chapeau. (Thus the gag of
James Bond tossing his hat onto a hat rack in Miss Moneypenny's office.)
A woman could always keep her hat on in any situation if she so chose. When
a man first met a woman, whether on the street or in a public building, it
was common practice for him to tip his hat as a sign of honor and
recognition. Doing so really stems from days of yore when a knight would
open the visor on his helm to reveal his identity to a lady, proving he was
a friend.
It is very seldom we see a woman wearing a hat of any kind in America these
days (except during Kentucky Derby season in Louisville), and dress hats are
practically unknown on men. Plenty of males wear baseball caps, often at
strange angles, and I have never understood why they keep them on during all
waking hours like cowboys. It strikes me as a sign of passive rebellion,
but I suspect it mostly simple ignorance of what is considered mannerly.
There is plenty of evidence these days that manners are viewed as a thing of
the past.
Dan (who still tips his cap to a lady)
> There seems also to be a rule for when the characters wear their hats or
> not. It's very obvious and simple, although it took me a while
> tot discover it:
> when outdoors, Donald, Scrooge and the nephews wear their hats and caps
> (unless the headwear gets lost, of course) and indoors they go
> bare-headed.
AND I REPLY:
This is possibly a reflection of the custom when Barks and others were
creating comic stories in the 1940s to the 1960s (at least in the US). It
was considered bad manners to wear a hat in someone's home or in a business
office, and I still find it irksome to see so many people who refuse to bear
their heads at the dinner table or in a classroom.
It was customary for many to wear a hat outdoors in that time period, and if
a man entered a public building it was okay to keep his hat on in the lobby
or hallways. He could continue to wear the hat in an elevator unless a lady
was present. He was expected to remove the hat if a woman entered the lift.
Once a man entered an office would remove his chapeau. (Thus the gag of
James Bond tossing his hat onto a hat rack in Miss Moneypenny's office.)
A woman could always keep her hat on in any situation if she so chose. When
a man first met a woman, whether on the street or in a public building, it
was common practice for him to tip his hat as a sign of honor and
recognition. Doing so really stems from days of yore when a knight would
open the visor on his helm to reveal his identity to a lady, proving he was
a friend.
It is very seldom we see a woman wearing a hat of any kind in America these
days (except during Kentucky Derby season in Louisville), and dress hats are
practically unknown on men. Plenty of males wear baseball caps, often at
strange angles, and I have never understood why they keep them on during all
waking hours like cowboys. It strikes me as a sign of passive rebellion,
but I suspect it mostly simple ignorance of what is considered mannerly.
There is plenty of evidence these days that manners are viewed as a thing of
the past.
Dan (who still tips his cap to a lady)
Danshane
Oops!
Message 180 -
2003-06-11 at 15:30:55
A spelling faux pas on my part. I complained of men resuing to 'bear their heads', and Kriton made a capital joke on my error. That was obviously supposed to read 'bare their heads'.
I'm so ashamed.
Dan
I'm so ashamed.
Dan