What you suppose I'll make with this bear's head I take risking my life...
??? Quack!
FABIO
casting spells
> A spelling faux pas on my part. I complained of men resuing to 'bear
their heads', and Kriton made a capital joke on my error. That was
obviously supposed to read 'bare their heads'.
>
> I'm so ashamed.
>
> Dan
>
> _______________________________________________
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Fabio Blanco
Oops!
Message 181 -
2003-06-11 at 16:07:13
Gerstein, David DK - ECN
Firebug replacement panels (was Changes on Barks's "Ghost of
Message 182 -
2003-06-11 at 16:40:37
Hey Joakim and Daniel,
>> I agree with David. The last panels doesn't look like Buettner at
>> all. Probably done by another staffer.
>> Was Chase Craig on staff then? Hs was an artist also.
Chase was on staff from 1941 on. Unfortunately, I'm not sure which
stories he drew, so I can't recognize his style for certain. If he's the guy
I *think* he is, though, then he drew the ugliest Bugs Bunny stories ever
(that's not a statement I make lightly!), and could not have drawn anything
as goodlooking as the last "Firebug" panels.
>As was Thompson.
Do you mean Riley Thompson?
>For example, today on DCML, Eta Beta mentioned that Tom McKimson is a
>likely candidate.
The "Firebug" style looks nothing like McKimson's work (and I've
read dozens of Tom's Bugs Bunnies). In truth, this is a case where I can
with confidence say that Barks is almost certainly wrong, for I don't think
Buettner or McKimson drew the panels.
David
>> I agree with David. The last panels doesn't look like Buettner at
>> all. Probably done by another staffer.
>> Was Chase Craig on staff then? Hs was an artist also.
Chase was on staff from 1941 on. Unfortunately, I'm not sure which
stories he drew, so I can't recognize his style for certain. If he's the guy
I *think* he is, though, then he drew the ugliest Bugs Bunny stories ever
(that's not a statement I make lightly!), and could not have drawn anything
as goodlooking as the last "Firebug" panels.
>As was Thompson.
Do you mean Riley Thompson?
>For example, today on DCML, Eta Beta mentioned that Tom McKimson is a
>likely candidate.
The "Firebug" style looks nothing like McKimson's work (and I've
read dozens of Tom's Bugs Bunnies). In truth, this is a case where I can
with confidence say that Barks is almost certainly wrong, for I don't think
Buettner or McKimson drew the panels.
David
Gerstein, David DK - ECN
Firebug replacement panels (was Changes on Barks's "Ghost
Message 183 -
2003-06-11 at 17:02:08
Hey ETA and others,
Here's me a moment ago, responding to Joakim...
>>For example, today on DCML, Eta Beta mentioned that Tom McKimson is a
>>likely candidate.
>
>The "Firebug" style looks nothing like McKimson's work (and I've
>read dozens of Tom's Bugs Bunnies).
Er... I wish to apologize for the rather sharp critical tone of the
preceding statement.
Eta, you're a McKimson collector like me; and if you think the style
is similar, I'm interested to hear where you find the similarity.
I'd rather say that the "Firebug" style looks nothing like
McKimson's work *to me*, than to try and speak in general terms (as I in
effect did above).
Best, David
Here's me a moment ago, responding to Joakim...
>>For example, today on DCML, Eta Beta mentioned that Tom McKimson is a
>>likely candidate.
>
>The "Firebug" style looks nothing like McKimson's work (and I've
>read dozens of Tom's Bugs Bunnies).
Er... I wish to apologize for the rather sharp critical tone of the
preceding statement.
Eta, you're a McKimson collector like me; and if you think the style
is similar, I'm interested to hear where you find the similarity.
I'd rather say that the "Firebug" style looks nothing like
McKimson's work *to me*, than to try and speak in general terms (as I in
effect did above).
Best, David
Gerstein, David DK - ECN
Firebug replacement panels (was Changes on Barks's "Ghost
Message 184 -
2003-06-11 at 17:11:42
And again...
>Chase was on staff from 1941 on. Unfortunately, I'm not sure which stories
he drew, so I can't recognize his style for certain. If he's the guy I
*think* he is, though, then he drew the ugliest Bugs Bunny stories ever
[snip]
Before I appear to be insulting poor Chase as well, I should say
that when I once talked to him personally, he was almost as critical of his
Bugs art as I am now; stating that while he worked on the series, he looked
for somebody to take over the art duty from him.
There are a number of quite badly drawn Bugs stories in the earliest
LTMM issues. I assumed from Chase's conversation with me that as per his
description, these were likely the ones he was talking about.
Even if they're not, I should qualify my assessment of Chase's
drawing skills by pointing out that no matter how he might have rated as an
artist, he was a fine writer and a good editor, for which I admire him to
this day.
David
>Chase was on staff from 1941 on. Unfortunately, I'm not sure which stories
he drew, so I can't recognize his style for certain. If he's the guy I
*think* he is, though, then he drew the ugliest Bugs Bunny stories ever
[snip]
Before I appear to be insulting poor Chase as well, I should say
that when I once talked to him personally, he was almost as critical of his
Bugs art as I am now; stating that while he worked on the series, he looked
for somebody to take over the art duty from him.
There are a number of quite badly drawn Bugs stories in the earliest
LTMM issues. I assumed from Chase's conversation with me that as per his
description, these were likely the ones he was talking about.
Even if they're not, I should qualify my assessment of Chase's
drawing skills by pointing out that no matter how he might have rated as an
artist, he was a fine writer and a good editor, for which I admire him to
this day.
David
Rob Klein
Buettner/McKimson
Message 185 -
2003-06-11 at 17:18:04
Regarding Barks quote about redrawn panels in "The Firebug": When I asked him
about THAT story, several cover drawings and a few panels in other stories that
looked either like Barks didn't draw them, or they looked "strange", he told me
that the editors didn't want them the way he drew them (for various reasons),
and they redrew them (panels or portions of panels or cover drawings). He NEVER
KNEW which (editorial staff artist did the redrawing (or touching up). I could
tell by the way he said it, that he was only surmising, based upon who was the
editorial artist at the time who did the most editorial redrawing, or who was
the "Chief Editor (who also drew)".
It was also clear to me that the drawing style of the last 2 panels of "The
Firebug" was a different style from that of Buettner's, and I seemed to
recognize it as similar to one of the OTHER Western artists who drew a few
Disney stories during the 1940s. Unfortunately, I can't remember which story
(stories) which contained that style. Also, it is unfortunate, but I will not
be able to peruse through my WDC & S and other old US Disney Comics until at
least October, to find out. I'm not sure if the story was one of the lesser
characters, or not. I don't believe it was a "Duck" story.
Rob Klein
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about THAT story, several cover drawings and a few panels in other stories that
looked either like Barks didn't draw them, or they looked "strange", he told me
that the editors didn't want them the way he drew them (for various reasons),
and they redrew them (panels or portions of panels or cover drawings). He NEVER
KNEW which (editorial staff artist did the redrawing (or touching up). I could
tell by the way he said it, that he was only surmising, based upon who was the
editorial artist at the time who did the most editorial redrawing, or who was
the "Chief Editor (who also drew)".
It was also clear to me that the drawing style of the last 2 panels of "The
Firebug" was a different style from that of Buettner's, and I seemed to
recognize it as similar to one of the OTHER Western artists who drew a few
Disney stories during the 1940s. Unfortunately, I can't remember which story
(stories) which contained that style. Also, it is unfortunate, but I will not
be able to peruse through my WDC & S and other old US Disney Comics until at
least October, to find out. I'm not sure if the story was one of the lesser
characters, or not. I don't believe it was a "Duck" story.
Rob Klein
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Rob Klein
Buettner/McKimson
Message 186 -
2003-06-11 at 17:18:32
Regarding Barks quote about redrawn panels in "The Firebug": When I asked him
about THAT story, several cover drawings and a few panels in other stories that
looked either like Barks didn't draw them, or they looked "strange", he told me
that the editors didn't want them the way he drew them (for various reasons),
and they redrew them (panels or portions of panels or cover drawings). He NEVER
KNEW which (editorial staff artist did the redrawing (or touching up). I could
tell by the way he said it, that he was only surmising, based upon who was the
editorial artist at the time who did the most editorial redrawing, or who was
the "Chief Editor (who also drew)".
It was also clear to me that the drawing style of the last 2 panels of "The
Firebug" was a different style from that of Buettner's, and I seemed to
recognize it as similar to one of the OTHER Western artists who drew a few
Disney stories during the 1940s. Unfortunately, I can't remember which story
(stories) which contained that style. Also, it is unfortunate, but I will not
be able to peruse through my WDC & S and other old US Disney Comics until at
least October, to find out. I'm not sure if the story was one of the lesser
characters, or not. I don't believe it was a "Duck" story.
Rob Klein
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about THAT story, several cover drawings and a few panels in other stories that
looked either like Barks didn't draw them, or they looked "strange", he told me
that the editors didn't want them the way he drew them (for various reasons),
and they redrew them (panels or portions of panels or cover drawings). He NEVER
KNEW which (editorial staff artist did the redrawing (or touching up). I could
tell by the way he said it, that he was only surmising, based upon who was the
editorial artist at the time who did the most editorial redrawing, or who was
the "Chief Editor (who also drew)".
It was also clear to me that the drawing style of the last 2 panels of "The
Firebug" was a different style from that of Buettner's, and I seemed to
recognize it as similar to one of the OTHER Western artists who drew a few
Disney stories during the 1940s. Unfortunately, I can't remember which story
(stories) which contained that style. Also, it is unfortunate, but I will not
be able to peruse through my WDC & S and other old US Disney Comics until at
least October, to find out. I'm not sure if the story was one of the lesser
characters, or not. I don't believe it was a "Duck" story.
Rob Klein
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Klartekst
Buettner/McKimson
Message 187 -
2003-06-11 at 23:58:55
<I seemed to recognize it as similar to one of the OTHER
Western artists who drew a few Disney stories during the 1940s>
I am certainly no expert, but the drawing style of the last two panels
of "The Firebug" reminds me of Frank McSavage - especially
Donald's small beak in the last panel.
Nils from Norway
Western artists who drew a few Disney stories during the 1940s>
I am certainly no expert, but the drawing style of the last two panels
of "The Firebug" reminds me of Frank McSavage - especially
Donald's small beak in the last panel.
Nils from Norway
Rob Klein
Firebug Artist
Message 188 -
2003-06-12 at 02:13:06
Frank McSavage did, indeed, draw short beaks. But I guarantee the artist that
redrew the last two panels was not McSavage. McSavage always drew his Ducks'
beaks with a circular hole at the outer end, as if the characters were always
whistling. That's one of the main reasons why I dislike his Ducks. The art in
the last two panels looks very different from his style. Whoever this artist
is, I like his work better than most (if not all) the other 1940s Western Duck
artists. His Ducks display expression very, very well. Frank McSavage's Ducks
expressions were always very weak to me. Actually, the artwork DOES look a bit
like Buettner's work. Donald's beak is shorter than Buettner's usual, and also
shorter than Barks' beak of the time. He should have made it 1/4 or 1/5
longer. Otherwise, I see an attempt to keep the style consistant with Barks'
Ducks in the remainder of the story. That may account for the difference
between this and Buettner's usual style. It looks more like Buettner to me
than any of the other Western artists who drew the Ducks in the 1940s.
Rob
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redrew the last two panels was not McSavage. McSavage always drew his Ducks'
beaks with a circular hole at the outer end, as if the characters were always
whistling. That's one of the main reasons why I dislike his Ducks. The art in
the last two panels looks very different from his style. Whoever this artist
is, I like his work better than most (if not all) the other 1940s Western Duck
artists. His Ducks display expression very, very well. Frank McSavage's Ducks
expressions were always very weak to me. Actually, the artwork DOES look a bit
like Buettner's work. Donald's beak is shorter than Buettner's usual, and also
shorter than Barks' beak of the time. He should have made it 1/4 or 1/5
longer. Otherwise, I see an attempt to keep the style consistant with Barks'
Ducks in the remainder of the story. That may account for the difference
between this and Buettner's usual style. It looks more like Buettner to me
than any of the other Western artists who drew the Ducks in the 1940s.
Rob
Klein
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Katie Sullivan
Every Duck Has Her Day
Message 189 -
2003-06-12 at 02:52:33
I'm happy to announce that my "capstone" project, "Every Duck
Has Her Day: Feminist Figures in the Disney Comic," is now
online for all interested parties to read. (It might load a
little slowly on some computers, as there are several pictures
embedded in the essay.)
The essay is located at my website, "Welcome to Duckburg":
http://www.sullivanet.com/duckburg/scrooge.html
Go downtown and then enter the library, or just use this quick
link to go directly to the essay:
http://www.sullivanet.com/duckburg/library/capstone.htm
Enjoy! Feedback is very much appreciated, either through this
list or private e-mail. :-)
Katie
__________________________________
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Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM).
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Has Her Day: Feminist Figures in the Disney Comic," is now
online for all interested parties to read. (It might load a
little slowly on some computers, as there are several pictures
embedded in the essay.)
The essay is located at my website, "Welcome to Duckburg":
http://www.sullivanet.com/duckburg/scrooge.html
Go downtown and then enter the library, or just use this quick
link to go directly to the essay:
http://www.sullivanet.com/duckburg/library/capstone.htm
Enjoy! Feedback is very much appreciated, either through this
list or private e-mail. :-)
Katie
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JTorci3511
Chase Craig's Bugs Bunny!
Message 190 -
2003-06-12 at 03:09:48
David and Everyone:
David Gerstein wrote:
"Chase was on staff from 1941 on. Unfortunately, I'm not sure which
stories he drew, so I can't recognize his style for certain. If he's the guy
I *think* he is, though, then he drew the ugliest Bugs Bunny stories ever
(that's not a statement I make lightly!), and could not have drawn anything
as goodlooking as the last "Firebug" panels."
You appear to be correct in identifying Chase Craig's Bugs Bunny. About 20
years ago, Roger Armstrong told me that Craig had drawn the unusual looking
Bugs Bunny story(ies) in LOONEY TUNES AND MERRIE MELODIES # 2. This one featured
all sorts of strange supporting animal characters, including (...as I recall)
a tiger.
David, if you have this book -- or have access to it - you can now confirm
Craig's art style. I'll see you at San Diego in a month!
Now, would someone please positively identify for me specific examples (with
issue numbers and titles) of Bugs Bunny stories by Tom Mc Kimson. I have ALL
the Dell Bugs Bunny issues, and many of the older LT&MMs, so just refer to
anything therein. David, you (...or any member, for that matter) can answer me
privately, if this is "off topic".
Oh, and thanks to everyone on the DCML for improving the general tone of the
list. For a while there, I was NOT enjoying it at all. Now, it's much
better. Can we please keep it this way!
Joe Torcivia.
David Gerstein wrote:
"Chase was on staff from 1941 on. Unfortunately, I'm not sure which
stories he drew, so I can't recognize his style for certain. If he's the guy
I *think* he is, though, then he drew the ugliest Bugs Bunny stories ever
(that's not a statement I make lightly!), and could not have drawn anything
as goodlooking as the last "Firebug" panels."
You appear to be correct in identifying Chase Craig's Bugs Bunny. About 20
years ago, Roger Armstrong told me that Craig had drawn the unusual looking
Bugs Bunny story(ies) in LOONEY TUNES AND MERRIE MELODIES # 2. This one featured
all sorts of strange supporting animal characters, including (...as I recall)
a tiger.
David, if you have this book -- or have access to it - you can now confirm
Craig's art style. I'll see you at San Diego in a month!
Now, would someone please positively identify for me specific examples (with
issue numbers and titles) of Bugs Bunny stories by Tom Mc Kimson. I have ALL
the Dell Bugs Bunny issues, and many of the older LT&MMs, so just refer to
anything therein. David, you (...or any member, for that matter) can answer me
privately, if this is "off topic".
Oh, and thanks to everyone on the DCML for improving the general tone of the
list. For a while there, I was NOT enjoying it at all. Now, it's much
better. Can we please keep it this way!
Joe Torcivia.
SRoweCanoe
Chase Craig's Bugs Bunny!
Message 191 -
2003-06-12 at 04:54:28
In a message dated 6/11/2003 8:12:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
JTorci3511 at aol.com writes:
> Now, would someone please positively identify for me specific examples
> (with issue numbers and titles) of Bugs Bunny stories by Tom Mc Kimson. I have
> ALL the Dell Bugs Bunny issues, and many of the older LT&MMs, so just refer to
> anything therein. David, you (...or any member, for that matter) can answer
> me privately, if this is "off topic".
>
over on the GCD list, we had the Yukon story confirmed as by McKimson
(cover by Buettner) by Alberto B.
steven rowe
JTorci3511 at aol.com writes:
> Now, would someone please positively identify for me specific examples
> (with issue numbers and titles) of Bugs Bunny stories by Tom Mc Kimson. I have
> ALL the Dell Bugs Bunny issues, and many of the older LT&MMs, so just refer to
> anything therein. David, you (...or any member, for that matter) can answer
> me privately, if this is "off topic".
>
over on the GCD list, we had the Yukon story confirmed as by McKimson
(cover by Buettner) by Alberto B.
steven rowe
Eta Beta
Firebug replacement panels
Message 192 -
2003-06-12 at 11:13:00
DAVID (and ROB)
>>The "Firebug" style looks nothing like McKimson's work (and I've
>>read dozens of Tom's Bugs Bunnies).
>
> Eta, you're a McKimson collector like me; and if you think the style
>is similar, I'm interested to hear where you find the similarity.
I don't. While I'm sure I've read dozens of McKimson stories, too,
I don't know which ones are his... much to my shame, I'll admit to
not being able to recognize looney artists much, with the partial
exception of Phil De Lara...
I'll get back to you and other folks in private about looney
matters soon.
My proposition of McKimson as a likely candidate was only based
on... er... grammatical reasons... :-)
Barks said it would have been *either* Buettner or McKimson,
which led me to assume the two were the only staff artists
at the time, and since most of us tended to rule out Buettner,
McKimson would then become more than just a candidate...
But it couldn't have been so easy, of course... :-)
However, are we sure Barks wasn't right on there being only
two staff *artists* at the time ? Sure other editors worked
at Western, but maybe Chase Craig and/or others didn't have
"artistic editorial duties", still at that specific time ?
Then, since you firmly rule out McKimson (hey, there was
nothing offensive in that :-), we would be back to Buettner,
and Rob's theory that it could as well be him trying to
imitate Barks' style and achieving neither Barks' nor his
own would be pretty plausible...
One of those things we'll never know for sure ?
Cheers!
Eta Beta
>>The "Firebug" style looks nothing like McKimson's work (and I've
>>read dozens of Tom's Bugs Bunnies).
>
> Eta, you're a McKimson collector like me; and if you think the style
>is similar, I'm interested to hear where you find the similarity.
I don't. While I'm sure I've read dozens of McKimson stories, too,
I don't know which ones are his... much to my shame, I'll admit to
not being able to recognize looney artists much, with the partial
exception of Phil De Lara...
I'll get back to you and other folks in private about looney
matters soon.
My proposition of McKimson as a likely candidate was only based
on... er... grammatical reasons... :-)
Barks said it would have been *either* Buettner or McKimson,
which led me to assume the two were the only staff artists
at the time, and since most of us tended to rule out Buettner,
McKimson would then become more than just a candidate...
But it couldn't have been so easy, of course... :-)
However, are we sure Barks wasn't right on there being only
two staff *artists* at the time ? Sure other editors worked
at Western, but maybe Chase Craig and/or others didn't have
"artistic editorial duties", still at that specific time ?
Then, since you firmly rule out McKimson (hey, there was
nothing offensive in that :-), we would be back to Buettner,
and Rob's theory that it could as well be him trying to
imitate Barks' style and achieving neither Barks' nor his
own would be pretty plausible...
One of those things we'll never know for sure ?
Cheers!
Eta Beta
Gerstein, David DK - ECN
DCML Digest, Vol 4, Issue 20
Message 193 -
2003-06-12 at 11:46:47
Various stuff today, all related to the last two panels of "Firebug"
art...
VIC wondered if Frank McSavage might have been the artist.
I respectfully don't think so. Frank's art is distinguished by a lot
of round, soft strokes and heavy shading- unlike the "Firebug" drawings.
Also, while the "Firebug" ducks have short bills like McSavage's, the design
of their eyes is very different.
ROB KLEIN added that "It looks more like Buettner to me than any of
the other Western artists who drew the Ducks in the 1940s."
A year prior to "The Firebug", Buettner drew a Three Caballeros
story for Western (WDC&S 50), with pages and pages of Donald. The art and
lettering style, and the design of Donald, are very different from "The
Firebug".
It has been suggested that the "Firebug" artist is trying to mimic
Barks- hence the discrepancy with any other Ducks the "Firebug" artist might
have drawn. But the "Firebug" Ducks don't look like Barks imitations to me,
nor for that matter does the "Firebug" lettering look like an imitation of
Barks' lettering.
ETA and JOE want me to positively identify examples of McKimson's
art for them.
I've scanned in a couple of Bugs Bunny panels at large size (so the
lettering and stylistic traits are very obvious) and put them up on my old
university server:
http://wso.williams.edu/~dgerstei/LTMM_40_Bugs_funny_face.jpg
http://wso.williams.edu/~dgerstei/LTMM_41_George_Washington.jpg
McKimson drew the Bugs lead stories for LOONEY TUNES AND MERRIE
MELODIES from 1944 to early 1950, with occasional exceptions. His Bugs IMHO
perfectly captures the screen character with an elegance that nobody else
matched- though many tried.
The recent DC reprint compilation book (where "Porky of the
Mounties" reappeared a few years ago) contains no McKimson, IMHO the book's
single biggest oversight.
In general, I think McKimson's contributions tend to be overlooked
because he worked for the comics in their very early years. His stories
largely predate what the "baby boom" generation would have grown up with
(the way they grew up with Barks), and what they nostalgically remember
today.
Uh-oh, where did I leave Duckburg and end up in Acme Acres? I gotta
get outta here, Doc, before I get hit by one o' dem fallin' *rocks* or-
***YEEEOW!***
David
art...
VIC wondered if Frank McSavage might have been the artist.
I respectfully don't think so. Frank's art is distinguished by a lot
of round, soft strokes and heavy shading- unlike the "Firebug" drawings.
Also, while the "Firebug" ducks have short bills like McSavage's, the design
of their eyes is very different.
ROB KLEIN added that "It looks more like Buettner to me than any of
the other Western artists who drew the Ducks in the 1940s."
A year prior to "The Firebug", Buettner drew a Three Caballeros
story for Western (WDC&S 50), with pages and pages of Donald. The art and
lettering style, and the design of Donald, are very different from "The
Firebug".
It has been suggested that the "Firebug" artist is trying to mimic
Barks- hence the discrepancy with any other Ducks the "Firebug" artist might
have drawn. But the "Firebug" Ducks don't look like Barks imitations to me,
nor for that matter does the "Firebug" lettering look like an imitation of
Barks' lettering.
ETA and JOE want me to positively identify examples of McKimson's
art for them.
I've scanned in a couple of Bugs Bunny panels at large size (so the
lettering and stylistic traits are very obvious) and put them up on my old
university server:
http://wso.williams.edu/~dgerstei/LTMM_40_Bugs_funny_face.jpg
http://wso.williams.edu/~dgerstei/LTMM_41_George_Washington.jpg
McKimson drew the Bugs lead stories for LOONEY TUNES AND MERRIE
MELODIES from 1944 to early 1950, with occasional exceptions. His Bugs IMHO
perfectly captures the screen character with an elegance that nobody else
matched- though many tried.
The recent DC reprint compilation book (where "Porky of the
Mounties" reappeared a few years ago) contains no McKimson, IMHO the book's
single biggest oversight.
In general, I think McKimson's contributions tend to be overlooked
because he worked for the comics in their very early years. His stories
largely predate what the "baby boom" generation would have grown up with
(the way they grew up with Barks), and what they nostalgically remember
today.
Uh-oh, where did I leave Duckburg and end up in Acme Acres? I gotta
get outta here, Doc, before I get hit by one o' dem fallin' *rocks* or-
***YEEEOW!***
David
Ola Martinsson
Can someone scan missing pages please ?
Message 194 -
2003-06-12 at 14:00:00
Hi,
I've just been able to get hold of Vacation Parade 1 from 1950 here in
Sweden. It was sold with black and white xerox copies of pages 127,128
and in- and outside of back cover ( not so fun but I was glad to find it
at all here in Sweden) , otherwise complete. But as I have discovered,
it also is without pages 49,50 and 87,88. Thus I have a wish (humble I
hope ) that someone here with access to this issue will be kind enough
to scan these missing pages for me. Or xerox copies or anything that I
might not have thought about.
I'll gladly pay for this.
Ola in half sunny Stockholm +15 and windy
I've just been able to get hold of Vacation Parade 1 from 1950 here in
Sweden. It was sold with black and white xerox copies of pages 127,128
and in- and outside of back cover ( not so fun but I was glad to find it
at all here in Sweden) , otherwise complete. But as I have discovered,
it also is without pages 49,50 and 87,88. Thus I have a wish (humble I
hope ) that someone here with access to this issue will be kind enough
to scan these missing pages for me. Or xerox copies or anything that I
might not have thought about.
I'll gladly pay for this.
Ola in half sunny Stockholm +15 and windy
Gerstein, David DK - ECN
Chase Craig's Bugs Bunny!
Message 195 -
2003-06-12 at 14:23:35
Hey Joe,
>You appear to be correct in identifying Chase Craig's Bugs Bunny. About 20
>years ago, Roger Armstrong told me that Craig had drawn the unusual looking
>Bugs Bunny story(ies) in LOONEY TUNES AND MERRIE MELODIES # 2. This one
featured
>all sorts of strange supporting animal characters, including (...as I
recall)
>a tiger.
>
>David, if you have this book -- or have access to it - you can now confirm
>Craig's art style.
While I would never claim to have a Looney collection like yours,
Joe (envy, envy!) I at least have the majority of the pre-1949 issues,
including an incomplete #2. I'd scan in an image from the story, but I'm not
in possession of it right now (a collector in town has borrowed many of my
LTMM).
So now we know for certain what Craig's artwork looks like; a
helpful thing for Disneyites too. Yoicks. Craig draws a couple Bugs stories
in the months following as well, but not a large number (some sources claim
he drew a lot, but it simply seems not to be true).
I spoke of Craig's art being ugly, but "inappropriate" might be a
better word: it seems wrong for Bugs and the gang because it looks more like
children's book illustration than Looney Tunes cartoon art. As you note,
along with the tiger (a wartime military commander for a nonspecific
Axis-type power), there are other oddly anthropomorphic characters as well.
There's another artist with an ugly Bugs for a couple of issues
around LTMM #6-8; but as I don't think this artist ever drew any Disney
material, we can discuss him outside of the DCML.
Best, David
>You appear to be correct in identifying Chase Craig's Bugs Bunny. About 20
>years ago, Roger Armstrong told me that Craig had drawn the unusual looking
>Bugs Bunny story(ies) in LOONEY TUNES AND MERRIE MELODIES # 2. This one
featured
>all sorts of strange supporting animal characters, including (...as I
recall)
>a tiger.
>
>David, if you have this book -- or have access to it - you can now confirm
>Craig's art style.
While I would never claim to have a Looney collection like yours,
Joe (envy, envy!) I at least have the majority of the pre-1949 issues,
including an incomplete #2. I'd scan in an image from the story, but I'm not
in possession of it right now (a collector in town has borrowed many of my
LTMM).
So now we know for certain what Craig's artwork looks like; a
helpful thing for Disneyites too. Yoicks. Craig draws a couple Bugs stories
in the months following as well, but not a large number (some sources claim
he drew a lot, but it simply seems not to be true).
I spoke of Craig's art being ugly, but "inappropriate" might be a
better word: it seems wrong for Bugs and the gang because it looks more like
children's book illustration than Looney Tunes cartoon art. As you note,
along with the tiger (a wartime military commander for a nonspecific
Axis-type power), there are other oddly anthropomorphic characters as well.
There's another artist with an ugly Bugs for a couple of issues
around LTMM #6-8; but as I don't think this artist ever drew any Disney
material, we can discuss him outside of the DCML.
Best, David