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Deanmary
Here is another site with a short bit about the upcoming (tomorrow!)
Gemstone comics:

http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/030623/0818000465_2.html

I saw another site yesterday, but can't find it now! :( I t mentioned
that the upcoming titles would be available in bookstores such as
Borders, Barnes and Noble, Waldens, etc. It will be great to get
these new comics in the bookstores as soon as possible. I still have
yet to hear if Gemstone is going to get their comics in Wal-Mart
stores, which to my way of thinking would be a HUGE step forward.

Gemstone comics has its own site now:

http://www.gemstonecomics.com

It appears that the site is only part way done as at this time some
of the links go nowhere. However, you can see upcoming covers for
Mickey Mouse and Friends and Donald Duck and Friends. Also, for
people who have been wanting to know how to subscribe to Gemstone
titles, it appeas this site is where you go for that.

Dean Rekich
Fabio Blanco
I hope I suscribed the correct magazines, and not one with italian stories
or for children readers...
Are all titles intended to adult readers like us or are some title that I
would be want not buy...
sorry if I not choice the ideal words...

FABIO
Daniel Van Eijmeren
LARS JENSEN to TIMO RONKAINEN and HARRY FLUKS, 05-06-2003:

> No offense, but I think it's a lousy idea to index non-Disney stories in
> INDUCKS, just because those particular stories were made by Carl Barks.
> As another poster pointed out: Why not Don Rosa? And why not creators
> such as Gil Turner and the others mentioned above? I *would* like to
> know more about the non-Disney works of a lot of people -- including
> Barks -- but integrating this kind of info into INDUCKS means it's no
> longer a semi-scientific database about the Disney works of various
> creators. Instead, it's on its way to become a collection of facts about
> people the inducksers happen to like. (In my opinion, of course. And
> again: No offense.)

No non-Disney stories are indexed as part of INDUCKS itself. They are
indexed in the same *format* as INDUCKS. And that makes it possible to
show them in an INDUCKS-search. If people think that this is pollution,
then (for example) a checkbox-option could be added to keep all information
apart. The default could be "INDUCKS-only", so that no efforts are needed
for getting only the solid INDUCKS-contents. As always.

The non-Disney INDUCKS-formatted files are maintained independently and
voluntarily. They are just like the toys that come with a comic book. You
can ignore them, if you want. And for the interested people it's handy to
have a possibility to supply/get information on the "extra" material of an
artist (which sometimes even includes crossovers with Disney comics).

> And no, Barks shouldn't be treated as an exception.

I agree. Besides Barks, there's also interesting non-Disney information
about other artists. If people also want to make an INDUCKS-compatible
index about them, then I think that should be possible.

> Trying to make Barks the center of the Duck universe from whom everything
> good and true -- even to this day -- comes, means that we're essentially
> encapsulating the Ducks into a 1942-1961 time pocket.

This is a different discussion. Also an interesting one, though. :-)

As long as long as artists can develop their own stories with their own
format-flavour, then there's no need to think of limitations. Most of the
people just want to read a comic from time to time, without any deep
thinking about comic book facts. Only the fanatics quarrel about contents,
quality, and about the position of their favourite artists. :-)

> Already, I've seen people claim a certain story *can't* be true, because
> it contains a PC, and we all know Barks never used those in his stories.

You'll never hear that from me.

Barks mentions *faxing* in "Horsing Around With History" (D 94003).
On his 1989 painting "Holiday in Duckburg", Gladstone is shown with a
*video camera*. A video camera on a painting, of all things. And IMO it
fits perfectly. Video cameras have become part of the holiday feeling,
so the painting is very recognizable, realistic and up to date. Opinions
may differ, but Barks dared to try it.

Barks's work went on with the time, and also his characters went on with
the time. No matter his own age, or the age of his characters. His work
had no time limits. I'm curious for any "claims" that state otherwise.

> No room for changes, no room for improvements, no room for innovation.
> Sorry, but if that "Barks=Truth" thinking becomes the rule,

Then that "rule" is based on misinformation.
Carl Barks had room for changes;
Carl Barks had room for improvements;
Carl Barks had room for innovation.

I think that was part of his *strength*. And if he wouldn't have had this
strength, then Donald would still only have had three nephews, a dog, a
girlfriend, a (grand)mother, a car, and a dull suburban life. Barks dared
to innovate *new* ways to tell his stories. He tried crazy ideas, he sent
the Ducks all over the world and into space, he added an old stingy duck
with a giant money bin. It's all pure fantasy, but he dared to do it, and
he managed to make it believable.

> children will be totally unable to relate to Duck comics in less than
> fifty years -- and that'll mean the death of the Ducks! (Again: In my
> opinion.)

If that misinformation becomes the truth, then I completely agree with you.
The Ducks are immortal, as long as people want them to be alive.

--- Dani?l

"Bottled mail will never replace FAX!"
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Just a few questions:

Was Barks the creator of Scrooge's *lucky* dime?
In which story does the lucky dime appear for the first time?

I've always thought that Barks was the creator, but maybe it came
from someone else? And when did artists other than the creator take
over this concept? Is there someone who knows more about the history
of the lucky dime?

BTW. I *don't* mean the first dime as coin, which indeed was created
by Barks and made its debut in the watertank money bin story (OS 495).
I mean the *luck* that is said to be coming from the dime.

--- Dani?l
Daniel Van Eijmeren
TIMO RONKAINEN to me, 25-05-2003:

>> Scrooge ten-pager "D/D 2001-021" by Daan Jippes(?) must be inspired
>> by a Barks plot synopsis for a never-produced 1950s Scrooge cartoon.
>> This is too similar to be a coincidende. But maybe I'm telling
>> something that's already mentioned in the story's credits?

> That's exactly the case, although I don't know if Barks is credited
> in every reprint of the story.

In which publications is Barks credited? And how?

> Jippes took only those parts from the synopsis he liked the best.

Are you assuming this, or do you know more?

--- Dani?l
Daniel Van Eijmeren
OLAF SOLSTRAND to L. SCHULTE, 11-06-2003:

> I'm still having problems seeing where Carl Barks said that Scrooge
> does NOT have a half-brother

Me, too. As far as I know, Carl Barks has *never* said that.

--- Dani?l
Daniel Van Eijmeren
ALEX NIELSEN to MADS JENSEN, 15-06-2003:

> The "Carl Barks Fine Art" book you are asking about were made in
> exceptional high quality, and the book won (several) industry-awards
> for quality, binding - as I recall. [...] My conclusion is that there
> will NOT be a reprint of this book - I simply dont think anyone will
> try this, as it will be impossible to have the same HIGH quality !!

I would already be happy to see an updated book with LESS quality.

For most of the people, a printed visual overview of most/all Barks's
paintings is still unavailable (or unaffordable).

--- Dani?l
Daniel Van Eijmeren
ROB KLEIN to JOAKIM GUNNARSSON, 17-06-2003:

> I'm curious to know about the replacement panel in Grandma Duck's farm
> friends Four Color No. 1010, Page 5 Panel 6 of "Sheepish Cowboys" (CBL
> Set VI, Book 2, Page 489). The panel is clearly drawn by someone else
> other than Barks, with NO Background!!!

I'm curious, too. Can someone make a scan of the original comic?

--- Dani?l
Daniel Van Eijmeren
STEFAN PERSSON to PAUL/CHI-ALPHA-ETCETERA, 22-06-2003:

>> From: "Chi-alpha-tau-zeta-eta-pi-alpha-sigma-chi-alpha-lambda-eta-sigma
>> Pi-alpha-nu-tau-epsilon-lambda-eta-sigma" <hatzipa1 at hol.gr> [...]
>> HELLO.
>> MY NAME IS PAUL AND I HAVE THE GREEK COMICS DEPARTMENT OF THE NEW GREEK
>> MUSEUM WHICH WE ARE PREPARING FOR MANY MONTHS NOW. I AM MAKING AN
>> ARCHIVE OF ALL THE GREEK COMICS AND I STARTED FROM THE DISNEY COMICS.
>> [...]

> 1.) PLEASE DON'T WRITE IN ALL CAPS!

Stefan, you are quoting an email that appeared empty in the digests, only
with a link to the attachment. The same empty situation can be seen
online, at: "http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-June/023418.html".

Where did you get the email's contents from?

--- Dani?l
Daniel Van Eijmeren
DENNIS BOOKS, 22-06-2003:

> It may be of interest that on Christmas of 1995 i received a surprise
> in the mail from Grants Pass,Oregon. Enclosed was a dime dated 1875.
> The accompanying letter stated "This very special amulet will help ypu
> invest your retirement money. It came from an old gentleman living on
> a hill. He kept it on a string. Beware of a lady from Italy. She is a
> real pest".....An amulet is by definition is something worn around the
> neck to protect against evil.

Are you referring to a real existant product, or are you making a joke?

--- Dani?l
Xephyr
Harry Fluks said:
> Yes, the Dutch give the different characters consistently different
> names (in Dutch: Lizzy, Juultje, Babetje). But I don't know by head
> who is who...
Daniel van Eijmeren said:
> According to the illustration on the front page of Dutch comic album
> "50 Vrolijke verhalen van de Duckies, no. 1", Lizzy has one tail,
> Juultje has no tail, and Babetje has two tails.

Thank you Harry & Daniel! As I understand the translations, then, Lizzy =
April, Juultje = May and Babetje = June, so those would be the English
equivalents.

Thanks again,

Rich Bellacera

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Daniel Van Eijmeren
MACIEK "KUR" to me, 23-06-2003:

>> In this story Gladstone is bragging to Donald, about having more luck
>> than Donald, and therefore having more succes in life, etc. Suddenly,
>> Donald critically asks if Gladstone has any *friends*. What follows
>> is an IMHO beautiful scene with an empty looking, *sad* Gladstone.
>>
>> I found this a very interesting angle on Gladstone as character.
>> Does someone know which story I'm typing about?

> Well no but it remaind me some storys wen Gladstone is tragic :
> I remember a story in Wich Gladstone was very sad theat he don't have
> frends and evry one y was nice to heam just bicous he was lucky. And
> Huey Duey and Luey try to Help him.

Maybe it's the same story?

In private, I got a reference to another story with a tragic Gladstone.
A story called "O'Lucky Man" (D98220), written by Kari Korhonen and
drawn by Jose Colomer. According to the sender, this story also dwelled
on the futile existence of Gladstone Gander.

BTW. There are (I think) about two 1950s/1960s Barks-stories in which
Gladstone basically has no luck. He's not really tragic there, though.
In these stories, he's a customer of Gyro Gearloose. One of these
stories contains a repetitive saying about the customer always being
right. This information is from memory. I'm too lazy to check. :-)

--- Dani?l

"All things come to him who sits and waits! That's my slogan!"
(Which Barks story?)
Katie Sullivan
> ATTACHMENT part 3.2 message/rfc822
> From: "KUR" <ggk at wp.pl>
> Subject: Qestion obout Back To The Klodike
> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:47:56 +0200
> To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
>
> Acording to wat I read in the Internet the orginal Carl Barks
> "Back to the
> Klondike" was 27 page long witch cut aut Flash back part of
> the story.
> I don't have old version of the story but the version I have
> is 30 page long
> and It have "Flash Back".
> But Flash Back is four page long sow it shoud be 31 page long.
> My Qestion is : Did in dis "longer version" some page was
> moved out of the
> story?
>
> Yours
> Maciek

At the bottom of the 11th page, Scrooge says "Ha! One thousand
dollars at compound interest! Wait till I get my hands on that
old gal!" In the original printing, the next panel on the next
page shows Donald coming in and saying, "Hey I've been talking
to some old-timers! They say Goldie left town years ago and
hasn't been seen since!" All the flashback parts in between
those two panels were removed. A total of four pages of
flashback were missing.
Also, in the original printing, four other panels were missing
that now appear in reprints.
After Donald says "Goldie left town years ago and hasn't been
seen since," Scrooge yells, "Wouldn't you know it! Somebody
owes you a billion dollars and they skip town every time!"
In the original printing, the next four panels after that
were taken out. They were lost until the early 1980s when the
huge collector's album "Scrooge McDuck: His Life and Times" was
prepared. The four flashback pages were still around, but those
four panels has been lost over the decades. Barks re-drew them
from memory and it is these four recreated panels that appear in
current versions of the story.
The four panels I'm talking about are where Scrooge says, "Well,
the trip won't be a failure! I can still go after my gold
cache!" Then his nephews make sure he's been taking his
medicine, and walk away, leaving Scrooge with a distant
expression.

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think those four
panels were just taken out to make room for advertising or for
some other layout reason. There obviously wasn't anything to
censor in there.

Did that answer your question? Probably not, come to think of
it. Um...someone else know what could be going on there? LOL

Katie (resident expert in everything to do with Goldie ;-)

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Timo Ronkainen
>In which publications is Barks credited? And how?

In Finnish Aku Ankka. I have to check the details.

> > Jippes took only those parts from the synopsis he liked the best.
>
>Are you assuming this, or do you know more?

He told it to me as I was interviewing him during his visit in Finland.

Timo

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Dani?l/Timo:

>> Scrooge ten-pager "D/D 2001-021" by Daan Jippes(?) must be inspired
>> by a Barks plot synopsis for a never-produced 1950s Scrooge cartoon.
>> This is too similar to be a coincidende. But maybe I'm telling
>> something that's already mentioned in the story's credits?

> That's exactly the case, although I don't know if Barks is credited
> in every reprint of the story.

In this context it is interesting to note that Geoffrey Blum seems to
have written a comic-book story based on the same cartoon outline which
has been drawn by Massimo Fecchi. (Information taken from Gemstone's
"Scoop" newsletter, see
http://scoop.diamondgalleries.com/scoop_article.asp?ai=2507&si=121 .)

Gerd
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