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Mark Wright
Katie Sullivan <vazali at yahoo.com> wrote:

>There has been some discussion lately about Donald's voice on
>DuckTales and in other animated incarnations. Although it's
>perfect for the sorts of situations Donald encountered in the
>early cartoons, IMHO his squawking, quacking voice isn't
>particularly well suited to Barks-scale adventure stories. <snip>...
when I read the
>comics I imagine Donald as having a relatively normal voice.
>That may sound odd to others, but am I alone in this? The early
>cartoon Donald and the Barksian Donald are like two totally
>different characters, really, and I imagine them as having
>different voices.

I have to admit that I've thought much the same thing. It's just
difficult for me to imagine those long, complex sentences being voiced
completely in Donald's peculiar brand of unintellible English. Nor do
I see much indication in the stories I've read of anyone else having
trouble understanding him. (Granted, this was only done in the
cartoons in the DuckTales era, where practically every time Donald
opened his mouth, someone had to say "What'd he say?")

>I also imagine Scrooge with a Scottish accent that was much
>heavier when he was younger, but gradually became less
>pronounced as he traveled the world (in Rosa's Lo$). By the
>"current" time frame I imagine his accent as considerably less
>noticable than it is in DuckTales. (Although in the animated
>form Alan Young does a wonderful job with the character. I just
>see the animated Scrooge and comics Scrooge as, again, two
>versions of the character.)

Likewise, I can imagine Scrooge speaking with an accent, but not a
thick one. He's lived in America for the lion's share of his life by
now, and I can speak from experience that it doesn't take long to pick
up part of the accent of whatever region I live in, although my
native-Californian is never completely gone.

>How do you all imagine their voices? Given that many of you
>don't speak English as a primary language, I'd be interested to
>hear your unique spins on this.
>
>
>Katie Sullivan
>http://www.sullivanet.com/
>

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David Gerstein
Hey Chris,

> Among the most recent Gemstone releases, Kori Kerhonen(?)'s "Sons of the Moon"
> in the latest WDC&S featured some interesting wrinkles that may very well have
> been inspired by "DT", and I'm not just talking about the fact that the story
> starred only Huey, Dewey, and Louie.

The creator's name is Kari Korhonen. His first name is (slightly)
misspelled "Kori" in the Gemstone credits.
You suggest, Chris, that singling out just one nephew for special
treatment is a DuckTales-originated trend. You even imply that the mere act
of using HDL as solo stars could also be interpreted as some kind of
DuckTales homage.
In truth, DuckTales was not the first forum to single out one nephew for
special treatment in a story. An early Barks ten-pager showed just one
nephew creating a gold-finding machine; and there are many Taliaferro
strips, most of them reprinted in Korhonen's native Finland, where one
nephew is singled out and individualized.
As far as HDL as solo stars, such stories have been a staple of the
comics since the days of HUEY, DEWEY, AND LOUIE JUNIOR WOODCHUCKS, haven't
they?
DuckTales has been credited in the past with being the first to use all
kinds of fictional concepts (so that any more modern duck story using the
concepts must then be either paying tribute to DuckTales, or ripping it
off). I find that DuckTales, great show though it was, is given a lot of
credit in this regard that it doesn't deserve.

Best, David
Katie Sullivan
Don Rosa wrote:
>By the way, speaking of lovely sound effects and lettering in
>general, just
>yesterday Todd Klein sent me copies of the lettering job he's
>done for the
>Gemstone Comics presentation of "The Dream of a Lifetime"

That must mean this story will be appearing in English in the
not-so-terribly distant future! Pardon me while I go bounce off
the walls for a few hours, keeping the neighbors awake with my
whoops of glee... ;-D

Katie Sullivan
http://www.sullivanet.com/

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Madame Jennifer Inantaz
Katie wrote:
>That must mean this story will be appearing in English in the
>not-so-terribly distant future! Pardon me while I go bounce off
>the walls for a few hours, keeping the neighbors awake with my
>whoops of glee... ;-D

*swoon*

I saw the Danish version of the story [The Dream of a Lifetime], I enjoyed
it even then.

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Here's something that's (remotely) related to a Carl Barks comic story:

I don't know how old the guy was when the picture was taken (or even when
exactly the photo was shot), but he *probably* started the hobby after the
Uncle Scrooge story was published. Whether he got the idea from the story is
anyone's guess...^_~

Link:

http://www.geocities.com/ochagirl84/File0054.jpg

Now, if he only had 3 cubic acre bin filled with money and
semi-precious/precious gems, plus worldwide business ventures (mines,
companies, stocks, etc.), he might make a formidable contender to Scrooge
and Flintheart...

G'night all...

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Kriton Kyrimis
HARRY:

> Since "glorp" is a non-existing word, it might as well be a verb. So there would be no problem to have titles like "De Zwarte Ridder glorpt weer".

There would be a problem in Greek, where verbs have distinct forms, and
"glorp" is not one of them. One might try to slap on a suffix to make the
world look like a verb, but this is a practice that is frowned upon, and they
would be sure to receive a nasty letter from me if they did. Not that this is
very likely, as the Komix people are usually very carefull about the language
that they use.

An alternative would be to use the word as part of an expression, and make the
title something like "The Black Knight Goes Glorp Again", but for some reason,
this sounds like the aftermath of a sumptuous dinner at the McDuck mansion,
consisting of canned beans and tap water.

Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
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Kriton Kyrimis
MICHIEL:

> How about "o Ippeus Melas glwrpei palin"?

(For all those to whom the above phrase may look like Greek, a word for word
translation from ancient Greek would be "the rider black glorps again".)

Well, if you switch the order of "melas" and "ippeus", you might get something
that a a handful of Greeks might understand and might even find amusing. The
"-ei" suffix is, the longer I think about it, the most appropriate, though not
one that I would have thought to use, and the use of an omega instead of an
omicron seems to me, though I do not know why, a stroke of genius.

Unfortunately, if this title were to be used, most readers (and definitely all
young readers) would read the above as:

The <something> <something> <somethings> againn. (Note the two n's.)

Then there's the problem of gamma being a soft consonant (similar to the sound
you make when pronouncing "water" in English), which does not convey the sound
of the "glorp" effect.

Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
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KUR
From Don Rosa :

> Yes, the Omnisolve(tm) suit *does* consume air. $crooge has had Gyro seal
it
> inside a giant block of Forbidium and there is a great suction caused when
> they penetrate into the vacuum of the inner chamber to get at the armor.
Why
> do they want to do that? That's all I'll say.

Wat is *Forbidium*? Dis is one of thous words I don't have in my dictionary.

Best wishes
Maciek
Olivier
Maciek:

>>> Wat is *Forbidium*? Dis is one of thous words I don't have in my
dictionary.

Darn, you can't trust 'em lazy dictionaries any more, they don't even have
all the words now. ;)

Gyro's Forbidium is "the *toughest* metal that can be made from the known
elements of the earth" (Disneyland Birthday Party, Oct '58; CBLoU$AiC Album
34).

Olivier
Lars Jensen
I never got DCML digest 53 (vol. 7). Is there a kind person out there in
cyberspace who would want to send me a copy?

Lars
Fabio Blanco
For me, the voice of Donald is normal... to whisper when works in the vault,
for chat with HD&L, for talk himself worry for something...
The another guy from the cartoons, well I don't know... he isn't very human,
is a duck...

And scottish accent... sorry, not many accents in my mental Spanish dubbed
version.

FABIO

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Wright <nicodemuslegend at cp.fuller.edu>
To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: Character voices

> Katie Sullivan <vazali at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >There has been some discussion lately about Donald's voice on
> >DuckTales and in other animated incarnations. Although it's
> >perfect for the sorts of situations Donald encountered in the
> >early cartoons, IMHO his squawking, quacking voice isn't
> >particularly well suited to Barks-scale adventure stories. <snip>...
> when I read the
> >comics I imagine Donald as having a relatively normal voice.
> >That may sound odd to others, but am I alone in this? The early
> >cartoon Donald and the Barksian Donald are like two totally
> >different characters, really, and I imagine them as having
> >different voices.
>
> I have to admit that I've thought much the same thing. It's just
> difficult for me to imagine those long, complex sentences being voiced
> completely in Donald's peculiar brand of unintellible English. Nor do
> I see much indication in the stories I've read of anyone else having
> trouble understanding him. (Granted, this was only done in the
> cartoons in the DuckTales era, where practically every time Donald
> opened his mouth, someone had to say "What'd he say?")
>
> >I also imagine Scrooge with a Scottish accent that was much
> >heavier when he was younger, but gradually became less
> >pronounced as he traveled the world (in Rosa's Lo$). By the
> >"current" time frame I imagine his accent as considerably less
> >noticable than it is in DuckTales. (Although in the animated
> >form Alan Young does a wonderful job with the character. I just
> >see the animated Scrooge and comics Scrooge as, again, two
> >versions of the character.)
>
> Likewise, I can imagine Scrooge speaking with an accent, but not a
> thick one. He's lived in America for the lion's share of his life by
> now, and I can speak from experience that it doesn't take long to pick
> up part of the accent of whatever region I live in, although my
> native-Californian is never completely gone.
>
> >How do you all imagine their voices? Given that many of you
> >don't speak English as a primary language, I'd be interested to
> >hear your unique spins on this.
> >
> >
> >Katie Sullivan
> >http://www.sullivanet.com/
> >
>
> ---------------------------------------
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> Theological Seminary
> G.B. Blackrock's Transformers Page:
> http://home.earthlink.net/~gbblackrock/
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>
Katie Sullivan
> From: "Madame Jennifer Inantaz" <madame82 at hotmail.com>
> *swoon*
> I saw the Danish version of the story [The Dream of a
> Lifetime], I enjoyed
> it even then.

One of these days I swear I'll have to learn Danish... ;-D
Although it took me seven years of study to learn Spanish well
enough to more-or-less read comics in it... *sigh*

> Here's something that's (remotely) related to a Carl Barks
> comic story:
> http://www.geocities.com/ochagirl84/File0054.jpg
>
> Now, if he only had 3 cubic acre bin filled with money and
> semi-precious/precious gems, plus worldwide business ventures
> (mines,
> companies, stocks, etc.), he might make a formidable contender
> to Scrooge
> and Flintheart...

LOL!!! Cool picture!

Katie Sullivan
http://www.sullivanet.com/

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Anthony Vuono
Dear Don Rosa:
Has Gemstone asked for any special covers or does the company just use
reprinted ones from Europe? Have you had to do a new cover yet specifically
for an upcoming American edition of one of your stories?

Sincerely,

Anthony Vuono
Anthony Vuono
I posted this question before, but I was hoping a representative from
Gemstone might answer it. I was wondering why the website hasn't been
updated in a while. Shouldn't we see a whole collection of new covers now
that the ones currently displayed on the site have been printed and released
to the public?
Also, I wanted to know when subscribers will receive additional issues
of either Uncle Scrooge or Walt Disney's Comics and Stories promised them
from the Gladstone years. Several months ago, I did send an email giving my
name and address and was told that this process would take place in
September. Should I send Gemstone another email to make sure that my
information was confirmed and that additional issues have been added to my
subscriptions?
Lastly, I want to thank Gemstone for giving American McDuck/Duck fans
something that they have wanted for years.....more quality stories, artwork,
and issues. I have been most impressed by the care and creativity displayed
in the current brand of Disney comics. I hope that they never die out and
that a resurgence in popularity and recognition is down the road. Keep up
the good work!

Sincerely,

Anthony Vuono
Lars Jensen
I wrote:
> I never got DCML digest 53 (vol. 7).
I just got it from a list member. Thank you.
Lars
Rich Bellacera
I recently read a short Beagle story (WDCD 18 - AMJ: "The Super
Baby-Sitters")

In this story Daisy's nieces are called upon by the Beagle Boys to watch
their nephew, the youngest Beagle, named Junior-176 1/4 while they rob a
warehouse. The girls fail miserably as the baby Beagle seems to have
all the criminal traits of his uncles, even carrying a crowbar disguised
as a babyrattle. They end up chasing after Junior who gets in the path
of the Beagles' car and foils their robbery. Then Granny Beagle appears
and takes custody of Junior, but the girls are rewarded by the
warehouse's owner, who gives the girls many dolls to play with.

Anyhow, now for my questions:

1) The address of the Beagle hideout is quoted by the girls as "176
Hoosegow Street." Is this the first time the Beagles' address is
listed, or does it perhaps appear on a mailbox or other place in other
stories, or is ita contradiction to another listed address?

2) Is this the first time the Baby Beagle (Junior-176 1/4) appears and
does he appear again?

3) I may be mis-remembering Granny Beagle, but I seem to recall that
she was just as much involved in the criminal activities, or at least
endorsing of them, as the rest of the Beagle family. However, when she
appears at the end of the story here, she takes custody of the baby and
says, "And I won't make the same mistakes raising you that I did with
your spoiled rotten uncles!" The implication is that she is
disapproving of the criminal activities of the Beagle Boys? Is this her
nature in most stories? Is she sort of like Grandmaw Wolf who
disapproves of Zeke's bad nature?

Thanks,

Rich Bellacera
xephyr at cwnet.com
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