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Hi aeveryone!

>>> Matthew Williams wrote:
> >> Incidentally, while searching the web recently, I came across a
> >> Rosa drawing (dated 1991) that I had never seen before that had much
> >> older versions of Donald, Daisy, and the nephews standing around
> >> Scrooge's grave.

Oh yes, that's a beautiful drawing.
It's reproduced 125 of "Don Rosa et il Rinascimento Disneyano" (Becattini,
Gori, Stajano).
I'd say the one holding a hat is a journalist (pencils in his shirt pocket,
and maybe a "Press" card in his hat's band but we don't see it).
The other two could be anything, but a Flamenco dancer? :\
One of them (both?) surely manages the McDuck estate. One may be a lawyer.

It has to be occupations that grew naturally out of their JW education.
Park Ranger was a great idea, but he would be wearing his uniform, not jsut
the hat. I guess the point here was not to suggest any particular occupation
for eithe of them, just to imply they were grown-ups, with different
occupations.
Still, an interesting topic of speculation. I like the Park Ranger idea a
lot.

As for the location, sigvald, that's a good question too.
Scottie McTerrier was in charge of the castle till 1948, when he died and
the jewel thief took his place.
I presume Scrooge found someone else to replace Scottie.
Now, where would he be buried? Dismal Downs *is* the land of his ancestors,
where his parents were buried (L&T). But he never really lived there, and
spent most of his life in the US (and all over the world), where his
remaining family lives, so Duckburg is definitely a possibility.

A not too joyful discussion, and probably very "fanboyish", but it was
interesting.

To paraphrase Arie:
Keep on quacking a long long time, all of you!

Olivier

Monsieur Rosa wrote:
> > Yeah, and that bugs me a bit! None of the
> > websites that are showing that drawing ever
> > asked permission to do so from me or the
> > German fanzine that I drew it for. But worse,
> > they never explain the purpose of the drawing!

Monsieur Gr?sfjeld answered:
> That's probably because that has not been widely known before now.

Well... The person scanning the image in the first place must have known it,
assuming he/she actually READ the fanzine, and if he/she had written a little
of it on his/her website and everybody re-using it had done so as well, that
would have been widely known. So...

Monsieur Wiljes wrote:
> > - Scrooge lies in a simple grave under grass...

Monsieur Gr?sfjeld answered:
> You are right that the grave is not a complex one, but it's definately
> *not*
> simple in the way that word is used in Norwegian. Graves like that are 100%
> normal so there are no reason what so ever to read any kind of disrespect
> for the memory of $crooge from his heirs, out of this grave.

I agree this grave is simple - very simple indeed, compared to the wealth of
Scrooge. I agree that the grave is "normal" (for us poor people - at least in
Scandinavia), and that no kind of disrespect for the memory of Scrooge can be
read out of the grave. Still: Even though I haven't seen any of their graves, I
sincerely doubt that Elvis Presley, Napoleon or John F. Kennedy have such
simple graves. I don't see "simple" as a negative word as all - but naturally,
as I'm Norwegian too, I understand that it could have terrible causes if one
translated it wrong.

Monsieur Neyer wrote:
> > Grandma, of course, has her farm, but where
> > does Scrooge live? DUCKTALES gave him a
> > mansion, as did CHRISTMAS ON BEAR MOUNTAIN,
> > but I've seen at least one Tony Strobl story
> > that shows him as living in the Money Bin.

Monsieur Gr?sfjeld answered:
> And so does the one guy that yopu for some reason seems to ignore at this
> time - Don Rosa, in "The Beagle Boys vs The Money Bin" (2001).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but... Daniel, you're American, right? Isn't that a
country where "The Beagle Boys vs The Money Bin" still has never been printed?
Sigvald, I doubt Daniel ment to harm anyone by accidentily writing an entire
letter without mentioning the name of Don Rosa... It _could_ be that he simply
hasn't read the story. Which sounds reasonable to me as it has never been
published in English (correct me if I'm very, very wrong).

Monsieur Wiljes wrote:
> > - the gravestone has the inscription "Fortuna Favet Fortibus" (from the
> Barks oil painting "Till Death do us Part"

Monsieur Gr?sfjeld answered:
> What do the words "Fortuna Favet Fortibus" mean anyway? All I know about
> this is that "Fortuna" is the name of the Roman goddess of destiny - later
> also the goddess of luck.

A quick google shows that it can be translated to "Fortune favours the strong".

Good evening, night, morning and afternoon to everybody,
Monsieur Olaf the Blue, esq.

DELURK

DON ROSA WROTE
>I wonder what I was thinking when I
> dressed the Nephews
> differently.

First thing that struck me was their eyes. When I
asked Rosa about them he said they are made that way
so the nephews could be recognized. The eyes are not
like those on a(n) (adult) duck, but moore like those
on Gladstone Gander. This gives new ideas about the
reason why the nephews live with their uncle. ;-)

Jyri Lehtinen

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>What do the words "Fortuna Favet Fortibus" mean anyway? All I know about
>this is that "Fortuna" is the name of the Roman goddess of destiny - later
>also the goddess of luck.

Fortune favors the bold (or brave).

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Don Rosa wrote:
> The illustrations used in those calendars were lifted from
> PICSOU magazine
> where I had done them as "pin-ups". I recently learned that
> the French
> PICSOU editor did not even know that this had been done! But
> yes, Gemstone
> can also use those pin-ups (with the lovely French coloring)
> at cost of
> copies from France.

Are we talking about the Christmas calendar images I've seen
scanned online? Where a different character is featured on each
day, including somewhat more obscure ones like Jose Carioca and
yes, my favorite, Goldie? I'd love to have that published in
America!

> Don Rosa wrote:
> > Yeah, and that bugs me a bit! None of the websites that are
> > showing that drawing ever asked permission to do so from me
> or the German
> > fanzine that I drew it for. But worse, they never explain
> the purpose of the
> > drawing! It was only ONE of many submissions to a fanzine
> article where
> > various artists were asked to submit a drawing based on the
> line "Hey, Daisy!
> > Whatever happened to Scrooge?" Other artists did all sorts
> of wacky
> > interpretations, but I treated the question as asking what
> happened to Scrooge in the
> > *permanent* sense.

Fascinating! I never knew what the context was for that
drawing, but it's always been very moving to me. I can honestly
get misty-eyed if I look at it too long. I love the grown-up
versions of the three nephews, though. I hadn't noticed D&D's
wedding rings until just now. Cool! Although I still want to
rip that ridiculous bow off her head and stomp up and down on
it. ;)

> I am not trying to start
> trouble by needlessly
> > creating such cruel cartoons.

*I* certainly never interpreted it that way.

Oh, and no whomever asked (don't remember now) "Fortuna favet
fortibus" is Latin for "Fortune favors the strong." ("Fortune"
in this sense, being like "Lady Luck" or the goddess Fortune.)

> From: "Sigvald_Grøsfjeld_jr." <sigvald at duckburg.dk>
>
> > - Scrooge lies in a simple grave under grass...
>
> You are right that the grave is not a complex one, but it's
> definately *not*
> simple in the way that word is used in Norwegian. Graves like
> that are 100%
> normal so there are no reason what so ever to read any kind of
> disrespect
> for the memory of $crooge from his heirs, out of this grave.

I don't know what connotation the word "simple" has in
Norwegian, but it English it's generally understood to me
something like "not fancy" or "without a bunch of decorations
and complicated stuff added on." It doesn't carry any sort of
mean or negative meaning at all.

> And thinking about this analysis of that picture leads me to a
> new question:
> Is this grave located somewhere in or nearby Duckburg, or is
> it located in
> or nearby the McDuck grave yard at Dismal Downs?

I would vote for Duckburg. Speaking from within the Rosa
universe, we've seen in "His Majesty McDuck" and "A Little
Something Special" that the city means a lot to him, and vice
versa, even if no one would admit it out loud. ;)

> > Grandma, of course, has her farm, but where
> > does Scrooge live? DUCKTALES gave him a
> > mansion, as did CHRISTMAS ON BEAR MOUNTAIN,
> > but I've seen at least one Tony Strobl story
> > that shows him as living in the Money Bin.
To which Sigvald replied:
> And so does the one guy that yopu for some reason seems to
> ignore at this
> time - Don Rosa, in "The Beagle Boys vs The Money Bin" (2001).

I doubt it was a deliberate slight, and even if it was, stop
being so touchy! *sigh*
Besides, even with the Rosa universe there are contradictions.
First, in Lo$ 12 we see him in his huge, gothic mansion. We're
told he sells that. Okay. In "Island at the Edge of Time"
Scrooge lives elsewhere and walks to the Money Bin in the early
morning. In "The Beagle Boys vs. The Money Bin" Scrooge has
quarters in the bin itself. I like to think he *has* a house
somewhere else, but keeps quarters in the bin too for those
times when he's too busy or tired to go home at night, or during
some crisis when he doesn't want to be away from the bin for
that long.

Katie Sullivan
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All this talk about Scrooge's grave - have
you guys forgotten that Carl Barks gave him
eternal life?

In the story "Go Slowly, Sands of Time"
written and illustrated (in 1980!) by CB
himself it is revealed that the old duck is
constantly rejuvinated by his daily money
swims. I quote from the end of the story:

"...and Uncle Scrooge dove back into the
coins in his money bin and soon the wrinkles
disappeared from his aged face, and the aches
left his aged bones, and he became as spry as
when he was a pushy cannon peddler
profiteering from the Boer War."

Commenting on the story, Barks said that it
was

"...kind of a spiritual story of Scrooge,
which gives him a means of going on and on
forever so you don't have to to feel that he
comes to the end of the line and dies all at
once. He's going to just keep on going into
eternity. Kids that read about him a hundred
years from now can think of him as still
being alive."

Nils Smeby (from Norway)

Matthew Williams writes:
>> Unfortunately, I haven't read "Sons of the Moon" yet. My subscription copy seems to always arrive two to three weeks after stores get their copies apparently (of course, since the mutant obsessed shops within 75 miles of my town would NEVER carry Disney... >>
They WOULD, if you pre-ordered it from Diamond's PREVIEWS catalogue, as I do! It works AND sends a message to your retailer that MIGHT result in him or her ordering MORE than just your one copy -- exposing these books to new "walk-in: consumers! Great for you AND the continued existence of Gemstone! -- Joe Torcivia.

> The question that I'd really like to know the answer to is:
>
> Just what *was* Scrooge's "final adventure"? That "dilly" that might
never
> be told?
>
> Perhaps Don might someday reveal it.

Maby Scrooge had sacrifice his life to save sombody (like Donald for
exempel) eles life? Now theat woudl be somthing!

Yours
Maciek