Sigvald:
"In stead the panels seems to be randomly arranged and sometimes with parts
of one panel
covering another panel ? just like in modern super-hero comics. "
I did it ALL the time on my stories and it was the ONLY thing the editors
never criticize on my drawing during that time! Indeed, it's the thing they
most liked on my work!
I think there's thousands of possibilities to tell stories with different
layouts! I don't see why everybody *need* to work with the tradicional 3 or
4 tier layout! There's THOUSANDS of different great ways to tell Disney with
the same quality as the old masters and the new masters with tradicional
points on theirs art!
It's different, original, dynamic, but it brings you thousands of new
problems, specially to keep clear to the reader what panel goes after the
previous, after the previous, after the previous...!
By the way, I'd love to see a scan of D 2002-137 "Avalons duggdr?pe", so I
can judge it in a better way! Maybe Fecchi wasn't able to work with a
different layout properly, or maybe he was! I don't know...
Or maybe...brazilian and italian Disney artists are completely crazy and
nobody was able to saw that yet! (And maybe this also explain why we had
worked with Ludwigs and Fethrys and Mobys so much) :P
Fernando!
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Topic: 200310
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Fernando Ventura
A panel covering another panel!
Message 181 -
2003-10-12 at 21:48:01
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Fecchi and Gedeone
Message 182 -
2003-10-12 at 23:54:01
Olaf Solstrand <olaf at andebyonline.com> wrote:
> But Sigvald, I didn't catch WHY you don't
> like this style?
Mainly for two reasons:
a) This is a modern style different from the traditional 3-tier and 4-tier
styles I grew up with in the 1970s.
b) To me this style is connected to modern non-Disney comics. F.ex the
comics version of the latest Star Wars movie "Attack of the Clones" uses
this style. So I guess this style is typical for the Marvel super-hero
comics and other modern US-comics - comics that I have never found
interesting.
Sigvald
> But Sigvald, I didn't catch WHY you don't
> like this style?
Mainly for two reasons:
a) This is a modern style different from the traditional 3-tier and 4-tier
styles I grew up with in the 1970s.
b) To me this style is connected to modern non-Disney comics. F.ex the
comics version of the latest Star Wars movie "Attack of the Clones" uses
this style. So I guess this style is typical for the Marvel super-hero
comics and other modern US-comics - comics that I have never found
interesting.
Sigvald
Jonathan H. Gray
Donald And Mickey
Message 183 -
2003-10-13 at 02:39:49
> > Of course, it would be really great someday to see the dual universe
> > barrier torn down, and Mickey and Donald sharing adventures as they
> > did in the thirties, but that will probably never happen. Or can it?
> > Is there some rule against using Mice and Ducks in the same story?
>
>There is a rule, yes, but it doesn't eliminate crossovers altogether --
>it just reserves them for special occasions. For instance, Egmont just
>rolled out a 9-part limited series teaming up Duck characters with Mouse
>characters.
That was something I was ALWAYS curious about because it seems so odd that
they "supposedly" exist in the same universe but never intertwine. Excuse me
if this has already been answered, I'm just really now checking my inbox and
found 20+ emails dedicated to the list, so I have catching up to do. ^^
A few questions:
A) What was this story about and what was its name? Sounds like it could be
the grounds for a really cool crossover type thingy with the right writer
and artist...
A) Does the Mickey Mouse crew still live in Mouseton which was finally named
during Disney's tenure? Of all the things they did do I was very rather glad
that they gave Mickey's city a name cause it just kinda gave his universe
more of a sense of "independence and identity" from the Duck world so to
speak. Mickey's city remaned nameless for decades in America and it finally
felt good to have the area defined from classic Gottfredson and Murry
locales. I just felt that putting Mickey in Duckburg just didnt feel right
at all to me. -__- I know David Gerstien was trying to promote this concept
after Disney faded away, but has it stuck? I'd like to hope so.
B) If it has, has it maybe been established how far Duckburg is from
Mouseton since both are defined as being in the fictional state of
"Calisota".
And lastly - I'm gonna go into fanboy geek mode for a sec. ^_^
I've been trying to peg things down as far as a timeline goes between the
Donald and Mickey universes. Looking at the Gottfredson timeline of things,
it seems Mickey Mouse kind of started as either a very young kid or an
almost teenager type if you wanna be technical about it (which is how I see
the pac man eyes area as evolving over time) and later grew into an "adult"
once he started the whole pants and shirt area after gaining pupils.
i know Don Rosa normally goes from Barks universe and doesnt have much care
for the mouse characters so to speak (nor did barks), but if you ignore that
for a sense I was trying to figure out how try and meld the Barks/Rosa
Donald and Scrooge timelines with the Gottfredson timeline. Reason being is
that everybody pretty much sees these two sides of the coin as the
definitive universes for the both sets of characters. Assuming that the
pie-eyed Mickey mouse was indeed MUCH YOUNGER and Donald was MUCH YOUNGER
when he was used in Gottfredson stories (with the Wise little Hen design) is
it possible to assume that Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck DO indeed know each
other in the Barks universe but live cities away and rarely if ever see each
other except on "Special occasions"? A few Murry stories did establish
Donald knowing Mickey as a kid, and much of Donalds teenage/young life has
never really been established outside of him living on Grandmas farm. Is
there a possibility that - ignoring the wise little hen design - those early
Gottfredson stories with Donald could have taken place when the two were
"nearer each other" in some form or fashion? Just a thought.
Lastly I know that Gottfredson didnt use Donald again, I'd assume primarily
because Al Taliaferro had Donald in his newspaper strips, but what I wanna
know is what was the last Gottfredson story where Don makes an appearance?
Gottfredson never drew him again after that did he?
...
OK that ends this "geeky question period". ^__^
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> > barrier torn down, and Mickey and Donald sharing adventures as they
> > did in the thirties, but that will probably never happen. Or can it?
> > Is there some rule against using Mice and Ducks in the same story?
>
>There is a rule, yes, but it doesn't eliminate crossovers altogether --
>it just reserves them for special occasions. For instance, Egmont just
>rolled out a 9-part limited series teaming up Duck characters with Mouse
>characters.
That was something I was ALWAYS curious about because it seems so odd that
they "supposedly" exist in the same universe but never intertwine. Excuse me
if this has already been answered, I'm just really now checking my inbox and
found 20+ emails dedicated to the list, so I have catching up to do. ^^
A few questions:
A) What was this story about and what was its name? Sounds like it could be
the grounds for a really cool crossover type thingy with the right writer
and artist...
A) Does the Mickey Mouse crew still live in Mouseton which was finally named
during Disney's tenure? Of all the things they did do I was very rather glad
that they gave Mickey's city a name cause it just kinda gave his universe
more of a sense of "independence and identity" from the Duck world so to
speak. Mickey's city remaned nameless for decades in America and it finally
felt good to have the area defined from classic Gottfredson and Murry
locales. I just felt that putting Mickey in Duckburg just didnt feel right
at all to me. -__- I know David Gerstien was trying to promote this concept
after Disney faded away, but has it stuck? I'd like to hope so.
B) If it has, has it maybe been established how far Duckburg is from
Mouseton since both are defined as being in the fictional state of
"Calisota".
And lastly - I'm gonna go into fanboy geek mode for a sec. ^_^
I've been trying to peg things down as far as a timeline goes between the
Donald and Mickey universes. Looking at the Gottfredson timeline of things,
it seems Mickey Mouse kind of started as either a very young kid or an
almost teenager type if you wanna be technical about it (which is how I see
the pac man eyes area as evolving over time) and later grew into an "adult"
once he started the whole pants and shirt area after gaining pupils.
i know Don Rosa normally goes from Barks universe and doesnt have much care
for the mouse characters so to speak (nor did barks), but if you ignore that
for a sense I was trying to figure out how try and meld the Barks/Rosa
Donald and Scrooge timelines with the Gottfredson timeline. Reason being is
that everybody pretty much sees these two sides of the coin as the
definitive universes for the both sets of characters. Assuming that the
pie-eyed Mickey mouse was indeed MUCH YOUNGER and Donald was MUCH YOUNGER
when he was used in Gottfredson stories (with the Wise little Hen design) is
it possible to assume that Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck DO indeed know each
other in the Barks universe but live cities away and rarely if ever see each
other except on "Special occasions"? A few Murry stories did establish
Donald knowing Mickey as a kid, and much of Donalds teenage/young life has
never really been established outside of him living on Grandmas farm. Is
there a possibility that - ignoring the wise little hen design - those early
Gottfredson stories with Donald could have taken place when the two were
"nearer each other" in some form or fashion? Just a thought.
Lastly I know that Gottfredson didnt use Donald again, I'd assume primarily
because Al Taliaferro had Donald in his newspaper strips, but what I wanna
know is what was the last Gottfredson story where Don makes an appearance?
Gottfredson never drew him again after that did he?
...
OK that ends this "geeky question period". ^__^
Jonathan H. Gray
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Your vote for (insert name here)!
Message 184 -
2003-10-13 at 10:09:30
JENNIFER:
> Is there any particular artist/author that you duck fans would like to
> see more of?
I would like to suggest the work of several Italian masters, who are almost
completely unknown in the US:
Artists:
Luciano Gatto
Giovan Battista Carpi
Massimo De Vita
Writer:
Guido Martina
Before I learned about the names behind each artist's style, there was one
style that, for me, stood out above all others in the stories that I
remembered reading as a child. It was not Barks' and it was not Scarpa's; it
was Gatto's! (You can see samples of Gatto's work, including entire stories,
in Italian, at http://www.luciano.gatto.name/ .)
Carpi is the fourth artist, along with Gatto, Barks, and Scarpa, whose stories
I still remember reading as a child.
As for Massimo De Vita, I am just about the only person on earth who is
indifferent to his style, so I just had to add him to the list.
Finally, as someone pointed out a few days ago, if you like Scarpa because of
"The Blot's Double Mystery", then you are actually a Martina fan.
Most of their stories are long, and some of them are in more than one part,
making printing them in monthly, US-style comic books somewhat problematic.
However, as they are also in three-tier format, many of them could be printed
in Donald Duck Adventures, at least the duck stories.
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> Is there any particular artist/author that you duck fans would like to
> see more of?
I would like to suggest the work of several Italian masters, who are almost
completely unknown in the US:
Artists:
Luciano Gatto
Giovan Battista Carpi
Massimo De Vita
Writer:
Guido Martina
Before I learned about the names behind each artist's style, there was one
style that, for me, stood out above all others in the stories that I
remembered reading as a child. It was not Barks' and it was not Scarpa's; it
was Gatto's! (You can see samples of Gatto's work, including entire stories,
in Italian, at http://www.luciano.gatto.name/ .)
Carpi is the fourth artist, along with Gatto, Barks, and Scarpa, whose stories
I still remember reading as a child.
As for Massimo De Vita, I am just about the only person on earth who is
indifferent to his style, so I just had to add him to the list.
Finally, as someone pointed out a few days ago, if you like Scarpa because of
"The Blot's Double Mystery", then you are actually a Martina fan.
Most of their stories are long, and some of them are in more than one part,
making printing them in monthly, US-style comic books somewhat problematic.
However, as they are also in three-tier format, many of them could be printed
in Donald Duck Adventures, at least the duck stories.
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
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Daan Jippes
Message 185 -
2003-10-13 at 10:42:17
>anyone here on dcml know if Daan has been scheduled to draw Geoff blum's
>version of "Barks' Queen of the Apple Festival" story idea (Barks left not
>enough memories to form a plot).?
Indeed, he told so when he was in Finland a year ago. he's working on it
probably right now.
Timo
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>version of "Barks' Queen of the Apple Festival" story idea (Barks left not
>enough memories to form a plot).?
Indeed, he told so when he was in Finland a year ago. he's working on it
probably right now.
Timo
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Where does Scrooge sleep? / Barks' Junior Woodchucks stories
Message 186 -
2003-10-13 at 10:45:03
>Actually, I clearly remember reading "Let Sleeping Bones Lie" and
>"Bottled Battlers" back in the 1970s and being impressed by the stories,
>even though I didn't know at the time who wrote them. In fact, Barks' JW
>stories made a sufficiently large impression on readers back then that
>these tales got a mention in Jon Gisle's Donaldism book, even though
>Gisle didn't know Barks was the writer.
Only one I can remember from that era was "Terror Of The Black Forest" or
something like that. I think it was drawn by Kay Wright....was that written
by Barks as well?
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>"Bottled Battlers" back in the 1970s and being impressed by the stories,
>even though I didn't know at the time who wrote them. In fact, Barks' JW
>stories made a sufficiently large impression on readers back then that
>these tales got a mention in Jon Gisle's Donaldism book, even though
>Gisle didn't know Barks was the writer.
Only one I can remember from that era was "Terror Of The Black Forest" or
something like that. I think it was drawn by Kay Wright....was that written
by Barks as well?
Jon Gray
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Cameo appearance by Donald's old customer
Message 187 -
2003-10-13 at 11:09:54
Three days ago I bought my copy of Gemstone's DD & Friends #308.
In my area it indeed arrived about 3 weeks later than MM & Friends.
The story DD "Hole in One" has a cameo appearance in panels
1 & 2, page 4, of the reclusive loner Donald persuaded to buy
an eggbeater in "Salesman Donald" WDC&S #39, Dec. 1943.
It seems he's moved to a cave on Demontooth Mtn. to avoid the
high-pressure door-to-door salesmen in Duckburg suburbs. Does
anyone know if he's been used in any other stories in the past 60
years? I checked to make sure he was the customer from this
story, and not the similar, but even hairier, hermit who was HDL's
steam caliope customer in "Totem Poles".
In my area it indeed arrived about 3 weeks later than MM & Friends.
The story DD "Hole in One" has a cameo appearance in panels
1 & 2, page 4, of the reclusive loner Donald persuaded to buy
an eggbeater in "Salesman Donald" WDC&S #39, Dec. 1943.
It seems he's moved to a cave on Demontooth Mtn. to avoid the
high-pressure door-to-door salesmen in Duckburg suburbs. Does
anyone know if he's been used in any other stories in the past 60
years? I checked to make sure he was the customer from this
story, and not the similar, but even hairier, hermit who was HDL's
steam caliope customer in "Totem Poles".
Jonathan H. Gray
Fecchi and Gedeone and Rumpus
Message 188 -
2003-10-13 at 12:22:10
>Katie:
> > I know nothing about Douglas, and as far as I know the "Secrets"
> > story in the last Gladstone issue is the only story with
> > Scrooge's half-brother that I've read.
>
>That's an entire different brother, my dear. :-) Scrooge has a whole bunch
>of
>them, you know... at least those two. While Rumpus is a Van Horn-character,
>Gedeone is a Scarpa-character...
Waitasec - I knew about Gedeone (Gideon McDuck?) for a while having heard of
him once or twice. BUT I was always under the impression that William Van
Horn made Rumpus Scrooge's COUSIN and NOT brother. Kind of like Donald is to
Gladstone as Scrooge is to Rumpus so to speak....
Not to mention that Rumpus' last name is McFowl and not McDuck which would
be the case if they were brothers. ;)
Where is teh Van Horn family tree anyway...
>Why not, Sigvald? Naturally, this is a question of taste. Personally, I
>love
>this style, and hope to see more of it. I like it when the artist
>experiments
>with what's "normal" and stretch the boundaries. But then again, it would
>have
>to be a question of taste. But I really like it this way - and, it's not
>really
>a new thing. I seem to remember seeing this in Disney comics before as
>well.
>
Agreed - I LOVED Fecchi's style and was rather dissapointed to NOT see one
in the latest DDA pocket book. I felt it had such a new and different feel
from thr rather blase panel look that you see in some stories. Just because
that works for Rosa and Barks and Van Horn doesnt mean that everybody has to
emulate that style. It is a matter of taste. It was very easy to follow
without being ludicrous and overboard and had beautiful detail IMO. I was
personally VERY pleasantly surprised and I'd love to see more of his work
again.
i preferred his stories printed in #1 much more than Luck Of The Duck and
The Knucklehead Stone. Same goes for the Mickey Mouse - I highly preffered
"Panicky Pachyderm" as opposed to "Postal Panic" be honest. It all comes
down to taste. =\
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> > I know nothing about Douglas, and as far as I know the "Secrets"
> > story in the last Gladstone issue is the only story with
> > Scrooge's half-brother that I've read.
>
>That's an entire different brother, my dear. :-) Scrooge has a whole bunch
>of
>them, you know... at least those two. While Rumpus is a Van Horn-character,
>Gedeone is a Scarpa-character...
Waitasec - I knew about Gedeone (Gideon McDuck?) for a while having heard of
him once or twice. BUT I was always under the impression that William Van
Horn made Rumpus Scrooge's COUSIN and NOT brother. Kind of like Donald is to
Gladstone as Scrooge is to Rumpus so to speak....
Not to mention that Rumpus' last name is McFowl and not McDuck which would
be the case if they were brothers. ;)
Where is teh Van Horn family tree anyway...
>Why not, Sigvald? Naturally, this is a question of taste. Personally, I
>love
>this style, and hope to see more of it. I like it when the artist
>experiments
>with what's "normal" and stretch the boundaries. But then again, it would
>have
>to be a question of taste. But I really like it this way - and, it's not
>really
>a new thing. I seem to remember seeing this in Disney comics before as
>well.
>
Agreed - I LOVED Fecchi's style and was rather dissapointed to NOT see one
in the latest DDA pocket book. I felt it had such a new and different feel
from thr rather blase panel look that you see in some stories. Just because
that works for Rosa and Barks and Van Horn doesnt mean that everybody has to
emulate that style. It is a matter of taste. It was very easy to follow
without being ludicrous and overboard and had beautiful detail IMO. I was
personally VERY pleasantly surprised and I'd love to see more of his work
again.
i preferred his stories printed in #1 much more than Luck Of The Duck and
The Knucklehead Stone. Same goes for the Mickey Mouse - I highly preffered
"Panicky Pachyderm" as opposed to "Postal Panic" be honest. It all comes
down to taste. =\
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[afnews] chat with Luciano Gatto
Message 189 -
2003-10-13 at 12:48:03
News from AfNews:
> Chat with the Disney creator Luciano Gatto, on october 2003, the
>15th, h 21:00 Italy. Info: www.luciano.gatto.name.
>
>Luned?, 13 Ottobre 2003 - ? afnews/G.Goria/poster.
>www.fumetti.org/afnews
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> Chat with the Disney creator Luciano Gatto, on october 2003, the
>15th, h 21:00 Italy. Info: www.luciano.gatto.name.
>
>Luned?, 13 Ottobre 2003 - ? afnews/G.Goria/poster.
>www.fumetti.org/afnews
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Donald And Mickey
Message 190 -
2003-10-13 at 13:07:41
Quoting "Jonathan H. Gray" <jongraywb at hotmail.com>:
> That was something I was ALWAYS curious about because it seems so odd that
> they "supposedly" exist in the same universe but never intertwine. Excuse me
> if this has already been answered, I'm just really now checking my inbox and
> found 20+ emails dedicated to the list, so I have catching up to do. ^^
I haven't seen them answered either, so if they have, excuse me as well.
> A) What was this story about and what was its name?
This is a series of nine stories, thus it has nine titles. I think the title of
the entire series is "Mythos Island".
The story is about a foggy island somewhere in the ocean, where creatures from
different myths and tales live (the series is still running, so I can't tell
you WHY they live there). The island is not on any maps, and what's stranger
is: When you leave the island, you forget everything about it (unless you have
something to remember it by). Both Scrooge and Mickey got maps leading to this
island and decided to check it out. Scrooge and the nephews ran into a lot of
Greek myths, and Huey, Dewey and Louie brought a pegasus fole home. Mickey and
Goofy found creatures from English myths, and helped them make peace with the
Greek creatures. Mickey got a unicorn horn which he brought home with him, and
thus he remembered the island as well. And now they're all back on the island
to solve its mysteries - and, not least, figure out why the island is falling
into pieces into the ocean.
> Sounds like it could be
> the grounds for a really cool crossover type thingy with the right writer
> and artist...
Mythos Island is plotted by Per Hedman, scripted by Pat & Carol McGreal and
drawn by Ferioli.
I must confess, though the McGreals are not my favorite writers neither of
Ducks or Mice, I think they're really great on crossovers.
> A) Does the Mickey Mouse crew still live in Mouseton which was finally named
> during Disney's tenure? Of all the things they did do I was very rather glad
> that they gave Mickey's city a name cause it just kinda gave his universe
> more of a sense of "independence and identity" from the Duck world so to
> speak. Mickey's city remaned nameless for decades in America and it finally
> felt good to have the area defined from classic Gottfredson and Murry
> locales. I just felt that putting Mickey in Duckburg just didnt feel right
> at all to me. -__- I know David Gerstien was trying to promote this concept
> after Disney faded away, but has it stuck? I'd like to hope so.
In Scandinavian stories, Mickey Mouse lives in Duckburg. But in this series, I
_think_ the city name hasn't been mentioned. Although, it shows Daisy and
Minnie boarding a boat on the same harbour, and that Gyro Gearloose and Doc
Static fear each other's competition.
Olaf the Blue
> That was something I was ALWAYS curious about because it seems so odd that
> they "supposedly" exist in the same universe but never intertwine. Excuse me
> if this has already been answered, I'm just really now checking my inbox and
> found 20+ emails dedicated to the list, so I have catching up to do. ^^
I haven't seen them answered either, so if they have, excuse me as well.
> A) What was this story about and what was its name?
This is a series of nine stories, thus it has nine titles. I think the title of
the entire series is "Mythos Island".
The story is about a foggy island somewhere in the ocean, where creatures from
different myths and tales live (the series is still running, so I can't tell
you WHY they live there). The island is not on any maps, and what's stranger
is: When you leave the island, you forget everything about it (unless you have
something to remember it by). Both Scrooge and Mickey got maps leading to this
island and decided to check it out. Scrooge and the nephews ran into a lot of
Greek myths, and Huey, Dewey and Louie brought a pegasus fole home. Mickey and
Goofy found creatures from English myths, and helped them make peace with the
Greek creatures. Mickey got a unicorn horn which he brought home with him, and
thus he remembered the island as well. And now they're all back on the island
to solve its mysteries - and, not least, figure out why the island is falling
into pieces into the ocean.
> Sounds like it could be
> the grounds for a really cool crossover type thingy with the right writer
> and artist...
Mythos Island is plotted by Per Hedman, scripted by Pat & Carol McGreal and
drawn by Ferioli.
I must confess, though the McGreals are not my favorite writers neither of
Ducks or Mice, I think they're really great on crossovers.
> A) Does the Mickey Mouse crew still live in Mouseton which was finally named
> during Disney's tenure? Of all the things they did do I was very rather glad
> that they gave Mickey's city a name cause it just kinda gave his universe
> more of a sense of "independence and identity" from the Duck world so to
> speak. Mickey's city remaned nameless for decades in America and it finally
> felt good to have the area defined from classic Gottfredson and Murry
> locales. I just felt that putting Mickey in Duckburg just didnt feel right
> at all to me. -__- I know David Gerstien was trying to promote this concept
> after Disney faded away, but has it stuck? I'd like to hope so.
In Scandinavian stories, Mickey Mouse lives in Duckburg. But in this series, I
_think_ the city name hasn't been mentioned. Although, it shows Daisy and
Minnie boarding a boat on the same harbour, and that Gyro Gearloose and Doc
Static fear each other's competition.
Olaf the Blue
Olaf Solstrand
Fecchi and Gedeone and Rumpus
Message 191 -
2003-10-13 at 13:25:06
Quoting "Jonathan H. Gray" <jongraywb at hotmail.com>:
> Waitasec - I knew about Gedeone (Gideon McDuck?) for a while having heard of
> him once or twice. BUT I was always under the impression that William Van
> Horn made Rumpus Scrooge's COUSIN and NOT brother. Kind of like Donald is to
> Gladstone as Scrooge is to Rumpus so to speak....
>
> Not to mention that Rumpus' last name is McFowl and not McDuck which would
> be the case if they were brothers. ;)
>
> Where is teh Van Horn family tree anyway...
In that story so many has mentioned as the last Rumpus story from Gladstone, a
secret is revealed... It turns outh they're not cousins after all. And in the
following story, which I believe is not yet published in the United States of
America, Rumpus comes to the Money Bin with a sneaky lawyor trying to get half
of the Money Bin - and a letter explaining everything:
Scr: "Stop there! Who says Rumpus is my brother?"
law: "Do you deny it?"
Scr: "Well... uhm... I mean..."
Rum: "No need to stutter for me. I know everything!"
Scr: "But..."
Rum: "Remember nice old auntie Vera? During a recent stay there I found this."
Scr: "A letter?"
law: "Correct! My client found it in an old family album."
Rum: "From mum to aunt Vera."
Scr: "I hope you'll tell me what's in the letter?"
Rum: "It's stuffed with family history! In the lette, mother mentions the short
marriage with Fergus McDuck."
Don: "Fergus was your father, unca Scrooge!"
Scr: "I know. Go on!"
Rum: "She left old Fergus and brought their dear son - me - to never return.
Unfortunately mother never told me that I was one of the awful McDucks, as she
called them."
Scr: "Oh yeah!"
Rum: "Or that I had a half-brother, 'a terrible little vulture named Scrooge',
the letter says."
Scr: "And this day began so promising!"
Don: "Why has he all the time said he was the cousin, then - if unca Scrooge
and his family was so nasty?"
Scr: "Yeah! Why?"
Jub: "Mum says, and I quote: 'But woe, Vera, as I was tied to the McDuck-
family, we chose to call the children cousins to not reveal the secret.'"
.
In European stories, they have been half-brothers for years already - though,
only in Van Horn-stories.
Olaf the Blue
> Waitasec - I knew about Gedeone (Gideon McDuck?) for a while having heard of
> him once or twice. BUT I was always under the impression that William Van
> Horn made Rumpus Scrooge's COUSIN and NOT brother. Kind of like Donald is to
> Gladstone as Scrooge is to Rumpus so to speak....
>
> Not to mention that Rumpus' last name is McFowl and not McDuck which would
> be the case if they were brothers. ;)
>
> Where is teh Van Horn family tree anyway...
In that story so many has mentioned as the last Rumpus story from Gladstone, a
secret is revealed... It turns outh they're not cousins after all. And in the
following story, which I believe is not yet published in the United States of
America, Rumpus comes to the Money Bin with a sneaky lawyor trying to get half
of the Money Bin - and a letter explaining everything:
Scr: "Stop there! Who says Rumpus is my brother?"
law: "Do you deny it?"
Scr: "Well... uhm... I mean..."
Rum: "No need to stutter for me. I know everything!"
Scr: "But..."
Rum: "Remember nice old auntie Vera? During a recent stay there I found this."
Scr: "A letter?"
law: "Correct! My client found it in an old family album."
Rum: "From mum to aunt Vera."
Scr: "I hope you'll tell me what's in the letter?"
Rum: "It's stuffed with family history! In the lette, mother mentions the short
marriage with Fergus McDuck."
Don: "Fergus was your father, unca Scrooge!"
Scr: "I know. Go on!"
Rum: "She left old Fergus and brought their dear son - me - to never return.
Unfortunately mother never told me that I was one of the awful McDucks, as she
called them."
Scr: "Oh yeah!"
Rum: "Or that I had a half-brother, 'a terrible little vulture named Scrooge',
the letter says."
Scr: "And this day began so promising!"
Don: "Why has he all the time said he was the cousin, then - if unca Scrooge
and his family was so nasty?"
Scr: "Yeah! Why?"
Jub: "Mum says, and I quote: 'But woe, Vera, as I was tied to the McDuck-
family, we chose to call the children cousins to not reveal the secret.'"
.
In European stories, they have been half-brothers for years already - though,
only in Van Horn-stories.
Olaf the Blue
Timo Ronkainen
Donald And Mickey
Message 192 -
2003-10-13 at 14:37:26
>but what I wanna know is what was the last Gottfredson story where Don
>makes an appearance? Gottfredson never drew him again after that did he?
I somehow tend to think it was the story about seven ghosts, made in
1937-38, but I'm not 100% sure. Nevertheless it was quite at the same time
Donald got his own strip. That strip didn't had any cast of the Mickey Mouse
strip due the circulation areas of newspapers. It would have been awkward to
run nearly similar comic strip either in the same paper or within rivaling
papers. That is the true reason why Mickey and Donald never met after that.
:-/
Timo
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>makes an appearance? Gottfredson never drew him again after that did he?
I somehow tend to think it was the story about seven ghosts, made in
1937-38, but I'm not 100% sure. Nevertheless it was quite at the same time
Donald got his own strip. That strip didn't had any cast of the Mickey Mouse
strip due the circulation areas of newspapers. It would have been awkward to
run nearly similar comic strip either in the same paper or within rivaling
papers. That is the true reason why Mickey and Donald never met after that.
:-/
Timo
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YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- -
20540 Turku ------------------- -
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Timo Ronkainen
Egmont's Good Luck Coin
Message 193 -
2003-10-13 at 15:57:40
Found at Egmont's web site. (I don't remember if this've been mentioned here
before):
"A Good Luck Coin
Luck doesn?t come looking for you, you have to find it yourself. Egmont?s
founder, Egmont H. Petersen knew this only too well when he decided to start
his own printing business in 1878. He was only 17 years old and had recently
finished his apprenticeship as a typographer. He borrowed the necessary
start-up capital from his mother, who had pawned all her worldly goods, and
it was in her kitchen that the first printed Egmont publications saw the
light of day. The business bore her name ? ?P. Petersens Bogtrykkeri? ?
quite simply because Egmont had to wait until he came of age at 25 before he
could be chartered as a book printer.
Egmont was ambitious, conscientious and prepared to make sacrifices for his
ideals. But he wasn?t blind to the charms of Lady Luck. One day on his way
to buy his first printing press, he spotted a 25-?re coin on the cobbled
street in the working class district of Copenhagen. Egmont picked it up and
kept it for the rest of his life as his lucky coin ? along with the first
Danish crown he ever earned. The lucky coin and the first crown he earned
are in safekeeping in Steffen Kragh?s office.
Egmont once wrote in one of his many sales brochures: ?Hard work, accuracy
and perseverance are bound to bring good fortune.? Together with his visions
and willingness to run calculated risks, this motto became the foundation on
which he built the Egmont company and the spirit in which we continue it
today. "
Funny coincidence :-)
http://www.egmont.dk/ (there is also a pic of the coin - click "about
egmont" > "company")
Timo
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before):
"A Good Luck Coin
Luck doesn?t come looking for you, you have to find it yourself. Egmont?s
founder, Egmont H. Petersen knew this only too well when he decided to start
his own printing business in 1878. He was only 17 years old and had recently
finished his apprenticeship as a typographer. He borrowed the necessary
start-up capital from his mother, who had pawned all her worldly goods, and
it was in her kitchen that the first printed Egmont publications saw the
light of day. The business bore her name ? ?P. Petersens Bogtrykkeri? ?
quite simply because Egmont had to wait until he came of age at 25 before he
could be chartered as a book printer.
Egmont was ambitious, conscientious and prepared to make sacrifices for his
ideals. But he wasn?t blind to the charms of Lady Luck. One day on his way
to buy his first printing press, he spotted a 25-?re coin on the cobbled
street in the working class district of Copenhagen. Egmont picked it up and
kept it for the rest of his life as his lucky coin ? along with the first
Danish crown he ever earned. The lucky coin and the first crown he earned
are in safekeeping in Steffen Kragh?s office.
Egmont once wrote in one of his many sales brochures: ?Hard work, accuracy
and perseverance are bound to bring good fortune.? Together with his visions
and willingness to run calculated risks, this motto became the foundation on
which he built the Egmont company and the spirit in which we continue it
today. "
Funny coincidence :-)
http://www.egmont.dk/ (there is also a pic of the coin - click "about
egmont" > "company")
Timo
^^''*''^^
Cartoonist - writer - donaldist -
Timo Ronkainen ---------------- -
YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- -
20540 Turku ------------------- -
Finland ----------------------- -
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timoro at sunpoint.net
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http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/
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Katie Sullivan
Brothers and crossovers
Message 194 -
2003-10-13 at 21:50:21
> Katie:
> > I know nothing about Douglas, and as far as I know the
> "Secrets"
> > story in the last Gladstone issue is the only story with
> > Scrooge's half-brother that I've read.
>
> That's an entire different brother, my dear. :-) Scrooge has a
> whole bunch of
> them, you know... at least those two. While Rumpus is a Van
> Horn-character,
> Gedeone is a Scarpa-character...
*blink* I didn't realize that! o_0
Wow, Fergus got around! ;-D LOL!
As for mouse/duck crossovers, I don't like them personally, so I
don't have much to say on the matter. I've always been a duck
fan and have never cared much about the mice. *shrug*
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> > I know nothing about Douglas, and as far as I know the
> "Secrets"
> > story in the last Gladstone issue is the only story with
> > Scrooge's half-brother that I've read.
>
> That's an entire different brother, my dear. :-) Scrooge has a
> whole bunch of
> them, you know... at least those two. While Rumpus is a Van
> Horn-character,
> Gedeone is a Scarpa-character...
*blink* I didn't realize that! o_0
Wow, Fergus got around! ;-D LOL!
As for mouse/duck crossovers, I don't like them personally, so I
don't have much to say on the matter. I've always been a duck
fan and have never cared much about the mice. *shrug*
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Fecchi and Gedeone and Rumpus
Message 195 -
2003-10-13 at 23:32:41
>Scr: "Stop there! Who says Rumpus is my brother?"
>law: "Do you deny it?"
>Scr: "Well... uhm... I mean..."
>Rum: "No need to stutter for me. I know everything!"
>Scr: "But..."
>Rum: "Remember nice old auntie Vera? During a recent stay there I found
>this."
>Scr: "A letter?"
>law: "Correct! My client found it in an old family album."
>Rum: "From mum to aunt Vera."
>Scr: "I hope you'll tell me what's in the letter?"
>Rum: "It's stuffed with family history! In the lette, mother mentions the
>short
>marriage with Fergus McDuck."
>Don: "Fergus was your father, unca Scrooge!"
>Scr: "I know. Go on!"
>Rum: "She left old Fergus and brought their dear son - me - to never
>return.
>Unfortunately mother never told me that I was one of the awful McDucks, as
>she
>called them."
>Scr: "Oh yeah!"
>Rum: "Or that I had a half-brother, 'a terrible little vulture named
>Scrooge',
>the letter says."
>Scr: "And this day began so promising!"
>Don: "Why has he all the time said he was the cousin, then - if unca
>Scrooge
>and his family was so nasty?"
>Scr: "Yeah! Why?"
>Jub: "Mum says, and I quote: 'But woe, Vera, as I was tied to the McDuck-
>family, we chose to call the children cousins to not reveal the secret.'"
>...
>
So Rumpus McFowl is an illegitemate child?!?
LOL !!!!!!
That sounds like something William Van Horn would write and for some reason
it just sounds hilarious. XD
Jon Gray
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>law: "Do you deny it?"
>Scr: "Well... uhm... I mean..."
>Rum: "No need to stutter for me. I know everything!"
>Scr: "But..."
>Rum: "Remember nice old auntie Vera? During a recent stay there I found
>this."
>Scr: "A letter?"
>law: "Correct! My client found it in an old family album."
>Rum: "From mum to aunt Vera."
>Scr: "I hope you'll tell me what's in the letter?"
>Rum: "It's stuffed with family history! In the lette, mother mentions the
>short
>marriage with Fergus McDuck."
>Don: "Fergus was your father, unca Scrooge!"
>Scr: "I know. Go on!"
>Rum: "She left old Fergus and brought their dear son - me - to never
>return.
>Unfortunately mother never told me that I was one of the awful McDucks, as
>she
>called them."
>Scr: "Oh yeah!"
>Rum: "Or that I had a half-brother, 'a terrible little vulture named
>Scrooge',
>the letter says."
>Scr: "And this day began so promising!"
>Don: "Why has he all the time said he was the cousin, then - if unca
>Scrooge
>and his family was so nasty?"
>Scr: "Yeah! Why?"
>Jub: "Mum says, and I quote: 'But woe, Vera, as I was tied to the McDuck-
>family, we chose to call the children cousins to not reveal the secret.'"
>...
>
So Rumpus McFowl is an illegitemate child?!?
LOL !!!!!!
That sounds like something William Van Horn would write and for some reason
it just sounds hilarious. XD
Jon Gray
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