After all that Acronyms flying around, I have to reveal an old secret
of mine only known to few people I directly correspond with (Hi,
Mark!)...
YES, I am a member of the AAAAA
(anonymous association against acronym abuse)
Against the Associartion's Statutes I do like Rosa's acronyms, though
- please don't tell anybody!
Soeren Schridde
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Soeren Schridde
Acronyms
Message 16 -
2003-10-02 at 00:36:22
CarmenG
Character Voices - DCML Digest, Vol 8, Issue 1
Message 17 -
2003-10-02 at 05:36:16
As a some-time actor, one-time musician, and amateur linguist, I find
this an interesting topic. To tell the truth, I don't think I really ever heard
ANY voices when I read these comics when I was a kid. But now, if I HAD to pick
a voice for Donald, I think I'd hear... a voice like my own! I think we tend
to see ourselves in literary characters, and Donald being an everyduck, I
don't think we'd be surprised to find our own voices coming from him.
In fact, long ago I tried starting a related thread where I suggested
that we may be able to see the duck artists in their characters and stories. As
an English teacher, I often discuss with my students how artists often leave
self-portraits in their work, whether they mean to do so or not. (I could insert
boring literary examples here, but I will be merciful.) For instance, an
artist specializing in Scrooge might portray himself in real life as crotchety but
the comics might show him to have a soft heart. But before I got to really
explore this topic, I was royally chewed out, so maybe we should leave this one
alone!
Anyway, back to voices. When I was young & thought I'd be a scriptwriter
or a producer or a director, I often fantasized what I would do with the ducks
if I got the opportunity. The movie Donald always rather annoyed me, paling
in comparison to the rich Barks character. And the voice was always a problem
for me. But what if the voice could be changed? The Disney company would never
go for it (though I do seem to understand Tony Anselmo's Donald more than
Clarence Nash's--or am I just more experienced in translating it?). But is anyone
old enough to remember Jimmy Weldon's duck voices for MGM and Hanna-Barbera?
This duck voice was very Donald-like, yet totally comprehensible.
But then you get into logic questions, such as why Donald and his nephews
have quacking voices while other ducks do not. Scrooge's Scottish dialect
doesn't bother me. My parents came to the US from Italy when they were young but
they still retain strong accents fifty years later.
I've sure had a lot of jobs, haven't I? Maybe this is why I identify with
Donald!
C. Geraci
Master Skunk Oil Processor
this an interesting topic. To tell the truth, I don't think I really ever heard
ANY voices when I read these comics when I was a kid. But now, if I HAD to pick
a voice for Donald, I think I'd hear... a voice like my own! I think we tend
to see ourselves in literary characters, and Donald being an everyduck, I
don't think we'd be surprised to find our own voices coming from him.
In fact, long ago I tried starting a related thread where I suggested
that we may be able to see the duck artists in their characters and stories. As
an English teacher, I often discuss with my students how artists often leave
self-portraits in their work, whether they mean to do so or not. (I could insert
boring literary examples here, but I will be merciful.) For instance, an
artist specializing in Scrooge might portray himself in real life as crotchety but
the comics might show him to have a soft heart. But before I got to really
explore this topic, I was royally chewed out, so maybe we should leave this one
alone!
Anyway, back to voices. When I was young & thought I'd be a scriptwriter
or a producer or a director, I often fantasized what I would do with the ducks
if I got the opportunity. The movie Donald always rather annoyed me, paling
in comparison to the rich Barks character. And the voice was always a problem
for me. But what if the voice could be changed? The Disney company would never
go for it (though I do seem to understand Tony Anselmo's Donald more than
Clarence Nash's--or am I just more experienced in translating it?). But is anyone
old enough to remember Jimmy Weldon's duck voices for MGM and Hanna-Barbera?
This duck voice was very Donald-like, yet totally comprehensible.
But then you get into logic questions, such as why Donald and his nephews
have quacking voices while other ducks do not. Scrooge's Scottish dialect
doesn't bother me. My parents came to the US from Italy when they were young but
they still retain strong accents fifty years later.
I've sure had a lot of jobs, haven't I? Maybe this is why I identify with
Donald!
C. Geraci
Master Skunk Oil Processor
Don Rosa
DCML Digest Issue 3
Message 18 -
2003-10-02 at 08:29:14
> From: "Anthony Vuono" <avuono at UDel.Edu>
> Subject: Special Covers
> Dear Don Rosa:
> Has Gemstone asked for any special covers or does the company just use
> reprinted ones from Europe?
No, they just reprint them. Gemstone doesn't need to obtain new covers from
me as they are obtaining from others. If I haven't already done a cover for
all of my stories directly for Egmont, another publisher has already asked
me for such a cover (Finland or France, usually), and the cover therefore
already exists, free (at cost of copying) to Gemstone from that source.
(sigh)
> Subject: Special Covers
> Dear Don Rosa:
> Has Gemstone asked for any special covers or does the company just use
> reprinted ones from Europe?
No, they just reprint them. Gemstone doesn't need to obtain new covers from
me as they are obtaining from others. If I haven't already done a cover for
all of my stories directly for Egmont, another publisher has already asked
me for such a cover (Finland or France, usually), and the cover therefore
already exists, free (at cost of copying) to Gemstone from that source.
(sigh)
KUR
DCML Digest Issue 59
Message 19 -
2003-10-02 at 14:35:27
> Darn, you can't trust 'em lazy dictionaries any more, they don't even have
> all the words now. ;)
>
> Gyro's Forbidium is "the *toughest* metal that can be made from the known
> elements of the earth" (Disneyland Birthday Party, Oct '58; CBLoU$AiC
Album
> 34).
Thanks :-)
Best Wishes
Maciek
> all the words now. ;)
>
> Gyro's Forbidium is "the *toughest* metal that can be made from the known
> elements of the earth" (Disneyland Birthday Party, Oct '58; CBLoU$AiC
Album
> 34).
Thanks :-)
Best Wishes
Maciek
Matthew Williams
Of "DuckTales" and other things
Message 20 -
2003-10-02 at 17:37:16
Mr. Gerstein,
Unfortunately, I haven't read "Sons of the Moon" yet. My subscription copy
seems to always arrive two to three weeks after stores get their copies
apparently (of course, since the mutant obsessed shops within 75 miles of my
town would NEVER carry Disney, I guess it doesn't matter). Anyway, I think
you write off Chris Barat's assertion that individualizing Huey, Dewey, and
Louie was first a DuckTales phenomenon too quickly. While I remember that
the Taliaferro strips sometimes feature one nephew instigating mischief
without the help of his brothers, I don't remember any pre-1987 stories or
cartoons where it was suggested that one nephew had an aptitude or
personality trait that the other two didn't have.
As Chris Barat mentioned, "The Duck in the Iron Mask" featured Dewey
struggling to create himself an individual identity. Additionally, in "Much
Ado about Scrooge," we find out that Louie wants to grow up to be a
door-to-door salesman. In "Pearl of Wisdom," one of the nephews is far and
away a better marble player than the other two. I believe that it would be
possible to dig out many more references to this kind of individualization
in the show. While, of course, featuring the nephews by themselves happened
in many, many pre-DuckTales stories and while one of the kids might
sometimes take some sort of action that the other two don't, I can't think
of a single pre-DuckTales story where it was suggested that the ducklings
had individual MINDS.
This, of course, doesn't make Kari Korhonen less of a writer, and it doesn't
necessarily mean that he was directly inspired by DuckTales.
Individualizing the lads' personalities just seems like a natural idea that
wasn't tried earlier because the studio wouldn't have approved before they
themselves broke the rules.
Incidentally, while searching the web recently, I came across a Rosa drawing
(dated 1991) that I had never seen before that had much older versions of
Donald, Daisy, and the nephews standing around Scrooge's grave. I mention i
t because my favorite part of the drawing was that all three of the nephews
were dressed differently, presumably in such a way that implied what
profession they would eventually join. My guess, and I would love to hear
what Mr. Rosa has to say about this, is that one is a park ranger, one is a
flamenco dancer, and one is some sort of business man! I laughed myself
silly for a long time after seeing the sketch! It seemed a very clever but
loving parody of the whole tradition of making the three identical.
Take care!
Matthew A. Williams
Unfortunately, I haven't read "Sons of the Moon" yet. My subscription copy
seems to always arrive two to three weeks after stores get their copies
apparently (of course, since the mutant obsessed shops within 75 miles of my
town would NEVER carry Disney, I guess it doesn't matter). Anyway, I think
you write off Chris Barat's assertion that individualizing Huey, Dewey, and
Louie was first a DuckTales phenomenon too quickly. While I remember that
the Taliaferro strips sometimes feature one nephew instigating mischief
without the help of his brothers, I don't remember any pre-1987 stories or
cartoons where it was suggested that one nephew had an aptitude or
personality trait that the other two didn't have.
As Chris Barat mentioned, "The Duck in the Iron Mask" featured Dewey
struggling to create himself an individual identity. Additionally, in "Much
Ado about Scrooge," we find out that Louie wants to grow up to be a
door-to-door salesman. In "Pearl of Wisdom," one of the nephews is far and
away a better marble player than the other two. I believe that it would be
possible to dig out many more references to this kind of individualization
in the show. While, of course, featuring the nephews by themselves happened
in many, many pre-DuckTales stories and while one of the kids might
sometimes take some sort of action that the other two don't, I can't think
of a single pre-DuckTales story where it was suggested that the ducklings
had individual MINDS.
This, of course, doesn't make Kari Korhonen less of a writer, and it doesn't
necessarily mean that he was directly inspired by DuckTales.
Individualizing the lads' personalities just seems like a natural idea that
wasn't tried earlier because the studio wouldn't have approved before they
themselves broke the rules.
Incidentally, while searching the web recently, I came across a Rosa drawing
(dated 1991) that I had never seen before that had much older versions of
Donald, Daisy, and the nephews standing around Scrooge's grave. I mention i
t because my favorite part of the drawing was that all three of the nephews
were dressed differently, presumably in such a way that implied what
profession they would eventually join. My guess, and I would love to hear
what Mr. Rosa has to say about this, is that one is a park ranger, one is a
flamenco dancer, and one is some sort of business man! I laughed myself
silly for a long time after seeing the sketch! It seemed a very clever but
loving parody of the whole tradition of making the three identical.
Take care!
Matthew A. Williams
Mas
Don Rosa's brilliant covers
Message 21 -
2003-10-02 at 19:30:12
>
> > From: "Anthony Vuono" <avuono at UDel.Edu>
> > Subject: Special Covers
> > Dear Don Rosa:
> > Has Gemstone asked for any special covers or does the company just use
> > reprinted ones from Europe?
>
>No, they just reprint them. Gemstone doesn't need to obtain new covers from
>me as they are obtaining from others. If I haven't already done a cover for
>all of my stories directly for Egmont, another publisher has already asked
>me for such a cover (Finland or France, usually), and the cover therefore
>already exists, free (at cost of copying) to Gemstone from that source.
What about the pictures in your calendar? Were those originally
covers? If not, could Gemstone use them as such?
Not that I'm trying to discourage anyone from paying you any money, of
course. I just think the more people who could get a chance to see those
pictures, the better :-)
- Mark S
> > From: "Anthony Vuono" <avuono at UDel.Edu>
> > Subject: Special Covers
> > Dear Don Rosa:
> > Has Gemstone asked for any special covers or does the company just use
> > reprinted ones from Europe?
>
>No, they just reprint them. Gemstone doesn't need to obtain new covers from
>me as they are obtaining from others. If I haven't already done a cover for
>all of my stories directly for Egmont, another publisher has already asked
>me for such a cover (Finland or France, usually), and the cover therefore
>already exists, free (at cost of copying) to Gemstone from that source.
What about the pictures in your calendar? Were those originally
covers? If not, could Gemstone use them as such?
Not that I'm trying to discourage anyone from paying you any money, of
course. I just think the more people who could get a chance to see those
pictures, the better :-)
- Mark S
Kimba1962
DCML Digest, Vol 8, Issue 1 (Sons of the Moon)
Message 22 -
2003-10-03 at 02:35:51
DAVID GERSTEIN responded to my description of Kerhonen's "Sons of the Moon" in the most recent WDC&S:
> You suggest, Chris, that singling out just one nephew for special
> treatment is a DuckTales-originated trend. You even imply that the mere act
> of using HDL as solo stars could also be interpreted as some kind of
> DuckTales homage.
> In truth, DuckTales was not the first forum to single out one nephew for
> special treatment in a story. An early Barks ten-pager showed just one
> nephew creating a gold-finding machine; and there are many Taliaferro
> strips, most of them reprinted in Korhonen's native Finland, where one
> nephew is singled out and individualized.
I was thinking specifically of ADVENTURE STORIES in this case. In the gold-finding machine story and the Taliaferro strips, one Nephew is allowed to stand out "in relief" from the others for the purposes of a quick gag... not surprising given the potential for humorous disagreements, etc. In "Sons of the Moon," Louie got to experience an adventure ON HIS OWN. In "Duck in the Iron Mask" --also an adventure tale -- the Nephews ended up working together, but the theme underlying the story was Dewey's alienation from his brothers. I have no way of knowing whether Korhonen was truly inspired by "DT," but I'll tell you something... reading that story caused me to flash on "Iron Mask" (and "Widow's Gap") BIG TIME.
I'll concede the point regarding the JUNIOR WOODCHUCKS tale -- and even there, the Nephews had to share the stage with the REST of their Woodchuck brethren and leaders -- but I can't think of any other pre-"DT" ADVENTURE wherein one Nephew gets such a prominent "solo" role.
Chris Barat
> You suggest, Chris, that singling out just one nephew for special
> treatment is a DuckTales-originated trend. You even imply that the mere act
> of using HDL as solo stars could also be interpreted as some kind of
> DuckTales homage.
> In truth, DuckTales was not the first forum to single out one nephew for
> special treatment in a story. An early Barks ten-pager showed just one
> nephew creating a gold-finding machine; and there are many Taliaferro
> strips, most of them reprinted in Korhonen's native Finland, where one
> nephew is singled out and individualized.
I was thinking specifically of ADVENTURE STORIES in this case. In the gold-finding machine story and the Taliaferro strips, one Nephew is allowed to stand out "in relief" from the others for the purposes of a quick gag... not surprising given the potential for humorous disagreements, etc. In "Sons of the Moon," Louie got to experience an adventure ON HIS OWN. In "Duck in the Iron Mask" --also an adventure tale -- the Nephews ended up working together, but the theme underlying the story was Dewey's alienation from his brothers. I have no way of knowing whether Korhonen was truly inspired by "DT," but I'll tell you something... reading that story caused me to flash on "Iron Mask" (and "Widow's Gap") BIG TIME.
I'll concede the point regarding the JUNIOR WOODCHUCKS tale -- and even there, the Nephews had to share the stage with the REST of their Woodchuck brethren and leaders -- but I can't think of any other pre-"DT" ADVENTURE wherein one Nephew gets such a prominent "solo" role.
Chris Barat
Don Rosa
DCML Digest Issue 5
Message 23 -
2003-10-03 at 15:52:25
> From: "Matthew Williams" <kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net>
> Incidentally, while searching the web recently, I came across a
> Rosa drawing
> (dated 1991) that I had never seen before that had much older versions of
> Donald, Daisy, and the nephews standing around Scrooge's grave.
Yeah, and that bugs me a bit! None of the websites that are showing that
drawing ever asked permission to do so from me or the German fanzine that I
drew it for. But worse, they never explain the purpose of the drawing! It
was only ONE of many submissions to a fanzine article where various artists
were asked to submit a drawing based on the line "Hey, Daisy! Whatever
happened to Scrooge?" Other artists did all sorts of wacky interpretations,
but I treated the question as asking what happened to Scrooge in the
*permanent* sense. However, my drawing being placed out-of-context onto
websites and in magazines all over the world leads people to think I drew
the thing for no reason other than to mean-spiritedly announce to the world
that $crooge was dead. And while I do feel he would *naturally and
unavoidably* be dead by 2003, I am not trying to start trouble by needlessly
creating such cruel cartoons.
Anyway... I wonder what I was thinking when I dressed the Nephews
differently. Tell me which website I can see the drawing on and maybe I'll
recall. I knew one had to be dressed in "business attire" since it was in a
Barks story where $crooge named the Nephews as his sole heirs, so at least
one of them would now be managing the "$crooge McDuck Memorial Charity
Foundation".
> From: mas <mas at nic.nu>
> Subject: Don Rosa's brilliant covers
> What about the pictures in your calendar? Were those originally
> covers? If not, could Gemstone use them as such?
The illustrations used in those calendars were lifted from PICSOU magazine
where I had done them as "pin-ups". I recently learned that the French
PICSOU editor did not even know that this had been done! But yes, Gemstone
can also use those pin-ups (with the lovely French coloring) at cost of
copies from France.
> Incidentally, while searching the web recently, I came across a
> Rosa drawing
> (dated 1991) that I had never seen before that had much older versions of
> Donald, Daisy, and the nephews standing around Scrooge's grave.
Yeah, and that bugs me a bit! None of the websites that are showing that
drawing ever asked permission to do so from me or the German fanzine that I
drew it for. But worse, they never explain the purpose of the drawing! It
was only ONE of many submissions to a fanzine article where various artists
were asked to submit a drawing based on the line "Hey, Daisy! Whatever
happened to Scrooge?" Other artists did all sorts of wacky interpretations,
but I treated the question as asking what happened to Scrooge in the
*permanent* sense. However, my drawing being placed out-of-context onto
websites and in magazines all over the world leads people to think I drew
the thing for no reason other than to mean-spiritedly announce to the world
that $crooge was dead. And while I do feel he would *naturally and
unavoidably* be dead by 2003, I am not trying to start trouble by needlessly
creating such cruel cartoons.
Anyway... I wonder what I was thinking when I dressed the Nephews
differently. Tell me which website I can see the drawing on and maybe I'll
recall. I knew one had to be dressed in "business attire" since it was in a
Barks story where $crooge named the Nephews as his sole heirs, so at least
one of them would now be managing the "$crooge McDuck Memorial Charity
Foundation".
> From: mas <mas at nic.nu>
> Subject: Don Rosa's brilliant covers
> What about the pictures in your calendar? Were those originally
> covers? If not, could Gemstone use them as such?
The illustrations used in those calendars were lifted from PICSOU magazine
where I had done them as "pin-ups". I recently learned that the French
PICSOU editor did not even know that this had been done! But yes, Gemstone
can also use those pin-ups (with the lovely French coloring) at cost of
copies from France.
Cord Wiljes
Whatever happened to Scrooge?
Message 24 -
2003-10-03 at 16:39:03
Matthew Williams wrote:
>> Incidentally, while searching the web recently, I came across a
>> Rosa drawing (dated 1991) that I had never seen before that had much
>> older versions of Donald, Daisy, and the nephews standing around
>> Scrooge's grave.
Don Rosa wrote:
> Yeah, and that bugs me a bit! None of the websites that are
> showing that drawing ever asked permission to do so from me or the German
> fanzine that I drew it for. But worse, they never explain the purpose of the
> drawing! It was only ONE of many submissions to a fanzine article where
> various artists were asked to submit a drawing based on the line "Hey, Daisy!
> Whatever happened to Scrooge?" Other artists did all sorts of wacky
> interpretations, but I treated the question as asking what happened to Scrooge in the
> *permanent* sense. However, my drawing being placed out-of-context onto
> websites and in magazines all over the world leads people to think I drew
> the thing for no reason other than to mean-spiritedly announce to the world
> that $crooge was dead. And while I do feel he would *naturally and
> unavoidably* be dead by 2003, I am not trying to start trouble by needlessly
> creating such cruel cartoons.
I know this image and to me it is one of the most moving and deeply-felt
tributes to the ongoing Duck-saga I have ever seen. It is perfect in
every detail:
- HD&L have developed different personalities (they wear different clothes)
- Scrooge lies in a simple grave under grass
- the gravestone has the inscription "Fortuna favet Fortibus" (from the Barks oil painting "Till Death do us Part"
http://www.barksbase.de/deutsch/h/ar03.htm)
- I especially like Donald's and Daisy's wedding rings
Never in my wildest dreams would I consider any chance that this drawing could have
been "mean-spirited" - within or without the context of it's original publication.
You just have to look into the Duck's faces to know better!
> Anyway... I wonder what I was thinking when I dressed the Nephews
> differently. Tell me which website I can see the drawing on
> and maybe I'll recall. I knew one had to be dressed in "business attire"
> since it was in a Barks story where $crooge named the Nephews as his sole
> heirs, so at least one of them would now be managing the "$crooge McDuck
> Memorial Charity Foundation".
Here is a reproduction: http://www.don-mcduck.de/cover/gc_hd_77b.php
Please don't regret creating this drawing. I am glad it is out there!
Cord
>> Incidentally, while searching the web recently, I came across a
>> Rosa drawing (dated 1991) that I had never seen before that had much
>> older versions of Donald, Daisy, and the nephews standing around
>> Scrooge's grave.
Don Rosa wrote:
> Yeah, and that bugs me a bit! None of the websites that are
> showing that drawing ever asked permission to do so from me or the German
> fanzine that I drew it for. But worse, they never explain the purpose of the
> drawing! It was only ONE of many submissions to a fanzine article where
> various artists were asked to submit a drawing based on the line "Hey, Daisy!
> Whatever happened to Scrooge?" Other artists did all sorts of wacky
> interpretations, but I treated the question as asking what happened to Scrooge in the
> *permanent* sense. However, my drawing being placed out-of-context onto
> websites and in magazines all over the world leads people to think I drew
> the thing for no reason other than to mean-spiritedly announce to the world
> that $crooge was dead. And while I do feel he would *naturally and
> unavoidably* be dead by 2003, I am not trying to start trouble by needlessly
> creating such cruel cartoons.
I know this image and to me it is one of the most moving and deeply-felt
tributes to the ongoing Duck-saga I have ever seen. It is perfect in
every detail:
- HD&L have developed different personalities (they wear different clothes)
- Scrooge lies in a simple grave under grass
- the gravestone has the inscription "Fortuna favet Fortibus" (from the Barks oil painting "Till Death do us Part"
http://www.barksbase.de/deutsch/h/ar03.htm)
- I especially like Donald's and Daisy's wedding rings
Never in my wildest dreams would I consider any chance that this drawing could have
been "mean-spirited" - within or without the context of it's original publication.
You just have to look into the Duck's faces to know better!
> Anyway... I wonder what I was thinking when I dressed the Nephews
> differently. Tell me which website I can see the drawing on
> and maybe I'll recall. I knew one had to be dressed in "business attire"
> since it was in a Barks story where $crooge named the Nephews as his sole
> heirs, so at least one of them would now be managing the "$crooge McDuck
> Memorial Charity Foundation".
Here is a reproduction: http://www.don-mcduck.de/cover/gc_hd_77b.php
Please don't regret creating this drawing. I am glad it is out there!
Cord
Simo Malinen
Typos (Of "DuckTales" and other things)
Message 25 -
2003-10-03 at 17:38:27
CHRIS/DAVID:
>>Among the most recent Gemstone releases, Kori Kerhonen(?)'s "Sons of the
>>Moon"
>
> The creator's name is Kari Korhonen. His first name is (slightly)
>misspelled "Kori" in the Gemstone credits.
>
Not mentioning the surname. It looks like the publishers are not
spell checking the crator names from Inducks/COA. They probably
trade names via muffled/buzzing phone lines. No other rational
explanation here? (or very unclear handwriting?)
When the Finnish publisher started to print writer/artist names
in the Jan. 1998 they also did some "minor" misspellings at first.
Especially with Italian names. E.g. in RS1998/12 an Italian artist
'Luigi Piras was turned to "Gigi Riras" .. an so on.
Yet mostly the errors were like in AATK 244 (2000) where Antonella
Pandini was switched to "Antonella Padini" and so on again. A Daan
Jippes story in AA2002/1 was inked by "Michel Naar".
Since then much much less typos are occuring nowadays. Just few
stories are having seemingly totally wrong credits instead.
- Simo
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>>Among the most recent Gemstone releases, Kori Kerhonen(?)'s "Sons of the
>>Moon"
>
> The creator's name is Kari Korhonen. His first name is (slightly)
>misspelled "Kori" in the Gemstone credits.
>
Not mentioning the surname. It looks like the publishers are not
spell checking the crator names from Inducks/COA. They probably
trade names via muffled/buzzing phone lines. No other rational
explanation here? (or very unclear handwriting?)
When the Finnish publisher started to print writer/artist names
in the Jan. 1998 they also did some "minor" misspellings at first.
Especially with Italian names. E.g. in RS1998/12 an Italian artist
'Luigi Piras was turned to "Gigi Riras" .. an so on.
Yet mostly the errors were like in AATK 244 (2000) where Antonella
Pandini was switched to "Antonella Padini" and so on again. A Daan
Jippes story in AA2002/1 was inked by "Michel Naar".
Since then much much less typos are occuring nowadays. Just few
stories are having seemingly totally wrong credits instead.
- Simo
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Message 26 -
2003-10-03 at 17:59:27
I've been speculating as to the actual "living quarters" of each of the
principal Disney characters. Mickey and Donald each own their own house,
as shown in many stories (unless Donald rents his from Uncle Scrooge),
and the same is true of Minnie, Daisy, Horace, Clarabelle, and Goofy. But
how about Gladstone? Barks has shown him as living next to Donald (in RED
APPLE SAP) as have Ron Fernadez and Pat Block (in TOO LATE FOR
CHRISTMAS), and Michael Gilbert's recent PARTY OF NONE also gives him a
definite address. Can anyone think of a story that shows Gladstone as
having no permanent address?
Grandma, of course, has her farm, but where does Scrooge live? DUCKTALES
gave him a mansion, as did CHRISTMAS ON BEAR MOUNTAIN, but I've seen at
least one Tony Strobl story that shows him as living in the Money Bin.
Did Barks ever specify where Scrooge lived? In the story where Scrooge
tries to trick Donald and Jones into tearing down their houses in the
search for "Old Man Fox's" money, the nephews retaliate by letting Donald
and Jones think that the money is hidden in Scrooge's house. Is this the
only instance of Barks showing an away-from-the-bin residence for
Scrooge?
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principal Disney characters. Mickey and Donald each own their own house,
as shown in many stories (unless Donald rents his from Uncle Scrooge),
and the same is true of Minnie, Daisy, Horace, Clarabelle, and Goofy. But
how about Gladstone? Barks has shown him as living next to Donald (in RED
APPLE SAP) as have Ron Fernadez and Pat Block (in TOO LATE FOR
CHRISTMAS), and Michael Gilbert's recent PARTY OF NONE also gives him a
definite address. Can anyone think of a story that shows Gladstone as
having no permanent address?
Grandma, of course, has her farm, but where does Scrooge live? DUCKTALES
gave him a mansion, as did CHRISTMAS ON BEAR MOUNTAIN, but I've seen at
least one Tony Strobl story that shows him as living in the Money Bin.
Did Barks ever specify where Scrooge lived? In the story where Scrooge
tries to trick Donald and Jones into tearing down their houses in the
search for "Old Man Fox's" money, the nephews retaliate by letting Donald
and Jones think that the money is hidden in Scrooge's house. Is this the
only instance of Barks showing an away-from-the-bin residence for
Scrooge?
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$crooge's grave
Message 27 -
2003-10-03 at 18:07:31
Don Rosa <donrosa at iglou.com> wrote:
Til: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
> Yeah, and that bugs me a bit! None of the
> websites that are showing that drawing ever
> asked permission to do so from me or the
> German fanzine that I drew it for. But worse,
> they never explain the purpose of the drawing!
That's probably because that has not been widely known before now.
> I wonder what I was thinking when I dressed
> the Nephews differently. Tell me which website
> I can see the drawing on and maybe I'll
> recall.
You can see it here in b/w:
http://duckman.pettho.com/history/hd19xx_c.gif
and here - beautifuly colored by Geir J. Netland:
http://duckman.pettho.com/history/chapter9.jpg
> I knew one had to be dressed in "business
> attire" since it was in a Barks story
> where $crooge named the Nephews as his sole
> heirs, so at least one of them would now be
> managing the "$crooge McDuck Memorial
> Charity Foundation".
Very interesting new info for the last chapter of history of Duckburg!
Sigvald
Til: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
> Yeah, and that bugs me a bit! None of the
> websites that are showing that drawing ever
> asked permission to do so from me or the
> German fanzine that I drew it for. But worse,
> they never explain the purpose of the drawing!
That's probably because that has not been widely known before now.
> I wonder what I was thinking when I dressed
> the Nephews differently. Tell me which website
> I can see the drawing on and maybe I'll
> recall.
You can see it here in b/w:
http://duckman.pettho.com/history/hd19xx_c.gif
and here - beautifuly colored by Geir J. Netland:
http://duckman.pettho.com/history/chapter9.jpg
> I knew one had to be dressed in "business
> attire" since it was in a Barks story
> where $crooge named the Nephews as his sole
> heirs, so at least one of them would now be
> managing the "$crooge McDuck Memorial
> Charity Foundation".
Very interesting new info for the last chapter of history of Duckburg!
Sigvald
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Whatever happened to Scrooge?
Message 28 -
2003-10-03 at 18:27:31
Cord Wiljes <cord at wiljes.de> wrote:
> I know this image and to me it is one of the
> most moving and deeply-felt tributes to the
> ongoing Duck-saga I have ever seen. It is
> perfect in every detail:
>
> - Scrooge lies in a simple grave under grass...
You are right that the grave is not a complex one, but it's definately *not*
simple in the way that word is used in Norwegian. Graves like that are 100%
normal so there are no reason what so ever to read any kind of disrespect
for the memory of $crooge from his heirs, out of this grave.
> - the gravestone has the inscription "Fortuna
> favet Fortibus" (from the Barks oil painting
> "Till Death do us Part"
There is one more thing - a dollar sign in stead of a christian cross. As
this drawing wasn't drawn for any official Disney publication I guess that
this wasn't done to make the drawing fit some kind of "political
correctness", but because that's how Don really sees it.
And thinking about this analysis of that picture leads me to a new question:
Is this grave located somewhere in or nearby Duckburg, or is it located in
or nearby the McDuck grave yard at Dismal Downs?
Sigvald
> I know this image and to me it is one of the
> most moving and deeply-felt tributes to the
> ongoing Duck-saga I have ever seen. It is
> perfect in every detail:
>
> - Scrooge lies in a simple grave under grass...
You are right that the grave is not a complex one, but it's definately *not*
simple in the way that word is used in Norwegian. Graves like that are 100%
normal so there are no reason what so ever to read any kind of disrespect
for the memory of $crooge from his heirs, out of this grave.
> - the gravestone has the inscription "Fortuna
> favet Fortibus" (from the Barks oil painting
> "Till Death do us Part"
There is one more thing - a dollar sign in stead of a christian cross. As
this drawing wasn't drawn for any official Disney publication I guess that
this wasn't done to make the drawing fit some kind of "political
correctness", but because that's how Don really sees it.
And thinking about this analysis of that picture leads me to a new question:
Is this grave located somewhere in or nearby Duckburg, or is it located in
or nearby the McDuck grave yard at Dismal Downs?
Sigvald
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
No place like home
Message 29 -
2003-10-03 at 19:12:06
Daniel J. Neyer <jerryblake2 at juno.com> wrote:
> But how about Gladstone? Barks has shown him
> as living next to Donald (in RED APPLE SAP)
> as have Ron Fernadez and Pat Block (in TOO
> LATE FOR CHRISTMAS), and Michael Gilbert's
> recent PARTY OF NONE also gives him a definite
> address. Can anyone think of a story that
> shows Gladstone as having no permanent address?
He has a permanent address, but it's *not* next to Donald's house.
See Barks WDC 140 "Gladstone's secret" from 1952 and Don Rosa's "The Triple
Distelfink" (1998).
> Grandma, of course, has her farm, but where
> does Scrooge live? DUCKTALES gave him a
> mansion, as did CHRISTMAS ON BEAR MOUNTAIN,
> but I've seen at least one Tony Strobl story
> that shows him as living in the Money Bin.
And so does the one guy that yopu for some reason seems to ignore at this
time - Don Rosa, in "The Beagle Boys vs The Money Bin" (2001).
Sigvald
> But how about Gladstone? Barks has shown him
> as living next to Donald (in RED APPLE SAP)
> as have Ron Fernadez and Pat Block (in TOO
> LATE FOR CHRISTMAS), and Michael Gilbert's
> recent PARTY OF NONE also gives him a definite
> address. Can anyone think of a story that
> shows Gladstone as having no permanent address?
He has a permanent address, but it's *not* next to Donald's house.
See Barks WDC 140 "Gladstone's secret" from 1952 and Don Rosa's "The Triple
Distelfink" (1998).
> Grandma, of course, has her farm, but where
> does Scrooge live? DUCKTALES gave him a
> mansion, as did CHRISTMAS ON BEAR MOUNTAIN,
> but I've seen at least one Tony Strobl story
> that shows him as living in the Money Bin.
And so does the one guy that yopu for some reason seems to ignore at this
time - Don Rosa, in "The Beagle Boys vs The Money Bin" (2001).
Sigvald
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Fortuna Favet Fortibus
Message 30 -
2003-10-03 at 19:17:21
Cord Wiljes <cord at wiljes.de> wrote:
> - the gravestone has the inscription "Fortuna Favet Fortibus" (from the
Barks oil painting "Till Death do us Part"
What do the words "Fortuna Favet Fortibus" mean anyway? All I know about
this is that "Fortuna" is the name of the Roman goddess of destiny - later
also the goddess of luck.
Sigvald
> - the gravestone has the inscription "Fortuna Favet Fortibus" (from the
Barks oil painting "Till Death do us Part"
What do the words "Fortuna Favet Fortibus" mean anyway? All I know about
this is that "Fortuna" is the name of the Roman goddess of destiny - later
also the goddess of luck.
Sigvald