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Hello all,

I wanted to let you know that in the German "TockTock" (Ehapa's free
booklet announcing the new comics) there is a small interview with
Don Rosa. I put a scan on

http://home.arcor.de/sschridde/tocktock1.JPG
(note the JPG in caputal letters!).

Sorry I don't find the time of translating at the moment
(volunteers?)
Yours,
Soeren Schridde

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I'm seeking the first appearances of the following names or characters in comics
(the ones I've listed are guesses by me based on the earliest appearance I could
determine):
Any help with corrections or verification would be appreciated

1) Alvin (Morty's pal from the dailies) = YM 111 "Mickey Makes a Killing" Dec. 26,
1947 ?

2) Millie (Morty's girlfriend from the dailies)

3) Bolivar (Donald's St. Bernard) = YD 38-03-17 (gag) 3/17/1938 ?

4) Butch the Bulldog

5) Dinah the Dachshund

6) THE DISNEY BABIES (as a series)

7) 00-Duck & Mata Harrier = S 66086 "The Case of the Purloined Pearls" 1967-01-17 ?

8) Duckburg = W OS 422-02 "The Gilded Man" January 31, 1952 ?

9) Aunt Eider = S 73228 "Most Helpful Aunt Eider" July 14, 1974 ?

10) Egret Heron (Emil Eagle's helper) = W MD 4-01 "The Crooked Straits of Zap-A-
Wonga" 1968-12

11) Gideon McDuck = I AT 112-B "The Za-Za Mosquitos" Apr. 1,1966 ?

12) Gilbert Goof = W OS 562-02 "A Visit from Gilbert" 1954-05 ?

13) Grandma Duck = W WDC 121-04 "GD adopts Gus and Jaq" 1950-10 ?

14) GUMMI BEARS (as a series)

15) Herbert (HDL's friend) = W WDC 43-02 "Three Dirty Little Ducks" November 27,
1943 ?

16) Honkey Go-Kart (Umperio Bogarto) = I SAP 65-A "I ladri di ricordi" November 1,
1985 ?

17) Humphrey Bear & Ranger Woodlore = W SS 9-02 "Humphrey Bear and the Ranger"
1959-02 ?

18) Hustler Duck = S 63118 "The Good Earth" 1964-10 ?

19) The I-Team

20) Joe Cock (Ze Galo)

21) Kildare Coot (Sgrizzo Papero) = I TL 465-B "Sgrizzo il più balzano papero del
mondo" 10/25/1964

22) Launchpad McQuack = S 87040 "Armstrong" February 16, 1988

23) Mighty Knight (Goofy's ancestor)

24) Minet (Daisy's cat)

25) Mouseton/Mouseville/Mickeyville

26) Muscles McGurk

27) Nestor (Jose Carioca's pal)

28) Newton Gearloose = S 65025 "The Copycat Inventor" 1965

29) Plottigat = I TL 1102-B Goofy Were-wolf Sept. 1, 1977 ?

30) Ottoperotto (Beagle Boy's beagle) = I AT 86-A "The Rival Gang" 01-Feb-64 ?

31) Shamrock Bones = W WDC 137-11 "The Shattered-Glass Mystery" 1952-02 ?

32) The Sleuth = S 75164 "The Case of the Pea Soup Burglaries" 1975-12 ?

31) Sonny Seagull = D 96408 "Free Spirits" Nov. 7, 1997 ?

32) Doc E. Static = D 93303 "Plastic Mickey!" Sep. 11, 1995 ?

33) Paperinik

34) Aunt Tessie = S 76003 "Goofy's Great Aunt Tessie" 1976-12 ?

Where I "guessed" the INDUCKS does not indicate that it is indeed their firts
appearance.

Thanks,

Rich Bellacera
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Hi Rich,

3) Bolivar (Donald's St. Bernard) = YD 38-03-17 (gag) 3/17/1938 ?

Correct.

8) Duckburg = W OS 422-02 "The Gilded Man" January 31, 1952 ?

It was first mentioned on a signpost in "High Wire Daredevils" (WDC 49).

11) Gideon McDuck = I AT 112-B "The Za-Za Mosquitos" Apr. 1,1966 ?

Feb 10, 1956 - "Paperino e i Gamberi in salmi" (I TL 132-A)

12) Gilbert Goof = W OS 562-02 "A Visit from Gilbert" 1954-05 ?

Yes.

13) Grandma Duck = W WDC 121-04 "GD adopts Gus and Jaq" 1950-10 ?

Sept 27, 1943 (although her portrait appeared earlier on Donald's wall, Aug
11, 1940)

15) Herbert (HDL's friend) = W WDC 43-02 "Three Dirty Little Ducks" November
27,
1943 ?

Yup.

21) Kildare Coot (Sgrizzo Papero) = I TL 465-B "Sgrizzo il pi? balzano
papero del
mondo" 10/25/1964

Correct.

28) Newton Gearloose = S 65025 "The Copycat Inventor" 1965

If we believe INDUCKS, this was the first published story, but "Ting-A-Ling
Trouble" (WDC 108) might be the first that was drawn (???)

29) Plottigat = I TL 1102-B Goofy Were-wolf Sept. 1, 1977 ?

Yes, but it's January 9! "Topolino e il "Pippo-lupo""

31) Shamrock Bones = W WDC 137-11 "The Shattered-Glass Mystery" 1952-02 ?

According to INDUCKS: yes.

32) The Sleuth = S 75164 "The Case of the Pea Soup Burglaries" 1975-12 ?

See above.

33) Paperinik

June 8, 1969 "Paperinik il diabolico vendicatore" (I TL 706-A)

Frank

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----- Original Message -----
From: Olaf Solstrand
To: (Email removed)
Sent: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 00:04
Subject: Fwd: Re: Does anyone know the FIRST appearance of...

> 8) Duckburg = W OS 422-02 "The Gilded Man" January 31, 1952 ?

Duckburg = W WDC 49-02 "High-wire Dare-devils" 1944. The story you list is the
first mention of the state Calisota.

> 13) Grandma Duck = W WDC 121-04 "GD adopts Gus and Jaq" 1950-10 ?

Grandma Duck appeared in comic strips in the fourties. According to Sigvald's
homepages, she appeared as a picture on a wall in 1940 and in person in 1943.
According to Inducks: YD 43-09-27 "Grandma Duck gag" September 27, 1943

> 15) Herbert (HDL's friend) = W WDC 43-02 "Three Dirty Little Ducks" November
> 27, 1943 ?

Seems correct, that's the answer I got when I asked the same question two years
ago (from Vidar, I think).

> 19) The I-Team

D 99094 "The I-Team", September 23, 1999

> 31) Sonny Seagull = D 96408 "Free Spirits" Nov. 7, 1997 ?

According to the home pages of Norwegian Donald Duck & Co., very little is
known about the creation of Sonny, but that he may have been created in Italy
or France in the 1980's. Although, the story you mention is said to be his
first story published in Scandinavia.

> 33) Paperinik

As far as I know: "Paperinik il diabolico vendicatore", June 8, 1969

Sorry I couldn't help out on more...

.but let us know when you have the complete list! I'm sure you're not the
only one interested in this information!

Best,
Olaf the Blue

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> From: "Michiel Prior" <M.J.Prior at let.rug.nl>
> Subject: Question to Don Rosa
> Now that you have 'established' Matilda McDuck as a 'present-day-
> character', do you have any plans to use her as a mouthpiece for
> Lo$-B-stories? I was thinking of tales from the 'Lo$ 11B'-period,
> when $crooge gradually looses contact with his family.

That's an interesting idea, but I doubt that I'll try it. First of all, the
interfamily relationships that I deal with in "A Letter from Home" seemed so
*boring* to me that I'll be gun-shy of attempting that again. The problem
was that I can't touch lightly on such important matters... if I was to
address them, I had to go full-throttle, and that really bogged down the
tale. Aside from that, I didn't think that $crooge "gradually" lost contact
with his family after chapter 11 of my "Lo$" -- I saw that as a clean break
for the next 15 years, 25 years as regards Matilda, and *forever* as regards
Hortense whom I am not allowed to reintroduce due to the difficulty in
explaining where she's been. Now, if I was turning out stories at high speed
like Barks or others could, I think I'd be more apt to get back into this
"family relations" subject. But I feel like I do so pitifully few stories
that I've probably spent all the time I can afford on that subject in "A
Letter from Home". (And when you see it, you might agree!)

> And maybe such a story could show us more of the Duck-side of the
> family and involve characters like Gladstone's father and Donald's
> sister (in the past tense of course). Or are appearances of Della also
> to be avoided in stories dealing with the past?

No, I can use Della if I found a reason to. I'd also like to use Gladstone's
parents if I *first* had a story where they'd fit... I don't think I'd want
to build a story around them, again because there are so many tales to tell,
so little time.

> Could you instead maybe give us some more Pothole? Of all
> members of "your" side of the (McDUCK-family, I like Pothole
> McDuck best.

I have always had it in the back of my mind to do another "Lo$" where
Pothole would be young $crooge's sidekick, giving him a friend/relative to
talk to (since he should otherwise be a loner). And I wanted that story to
tell (as a sideplot) how Pothole invents American comic books after his
success in dime novels. On the other hand, that did not actually take place
until the early 1930's which would put it too late for involvement by
$crooge (who by then would be running his empire from Duckburg) or by
Pothole (who would be either too old or too dead).

> Well, anyway, I think we fans don't have much to complain about,
> with "a Letter from Home" and a return of ze Chevalier Noir in the
> pipeline.

Wait until you read 'em before giving up that right.

> One tiny nitpick at last: I finally found a copy of the DD Extra
> containing "the Sign of the Triple Distelfink". On page 9, what was
> the original slogan on the back of the magazine Gladstone is
> reading? In Dutch, it says something like "Become a millionaire
> quickly!" and you can see a fellow behind a drawing-board drawing
> something resembling a large banknote (appropiately coloured white
> and pink). What was it? "Make big money"?

Yes, of course! That's the topic of most of the back covers of American
comics in the 30's-60's. You can see the ad properly done in the American
edition in UNCLE $CROOGE #310. It said "Make big money" in the script that
the Dutch translator was given, and you can easily tell the person is
drawing a large banknote. This raises the question I often have -- in many
cases, are these people the right ones to be translating comic books when
they seem to have no sense of humor or no ability to look at the art and see
what's going on? Or perhaps the problem is (as I have heard, though it
boggles the mind) that some of these editors give translators comic scripts
to translate *without* showing them the art, which would be blatantly
idiotic. Perhaps Harry can tell us if there is a reason that this joke is
untranslatable into Dutch... but it seems like "make big money" would work
in any language. Anyway, you again see why I used to have hair before I saw
how stories and jokes are ruined by sloppy or careless presentation.

By the way, looking at that story allowed me to check out the scene where
someone here was saying I showed a family gathering with Matilda and
Hortense and $crooge after "Lo$" chapter 11. But no, the flashback clearly
avoids showing $crooge in attendance, and I had envisioned that party taking
place shortly before that chapter 11. So you can't use it to indicate that
the break up of the Duck family group was gradual after $crooge's return to
Duckburg (IMS). (IMS="in my stories", something I should always write lest
one person gets peeved that I am not doing everything just the way he wants
it done or another person will decide that what happens IMS should be
happening in *all* stories otherwise they are wrong, wrong, wrong.)

> [And the backpage-gag on the other man's mag: is this a
> real existing one-pager? Well, maybe not.]

I guess you're kidding, eh? It was very tiny!

> From: Wolfsong <wolfsong at mpinet.net>
> Subject: Re: Does Goofy have a family name?
> If you look at some of the Goofy cartoons where he's in a domestic
> situation or where he has an office job, you'll find he's referred to as
> George Geef. I like to think of this as Goofy's
> real name with "Goofy" being his stage name.

That's the opposite of Disney's position. Disney thinks it's cute to pretend
like their classic characters are actors who are playing roles in the
animated cartoons they appear in, and that would seem evident since they are
almost always (slightly or drastically) different characters in the old
films, and clearly actors-in-roles in recent features like "Mickey's
Christmas Carol" and "The Prince and the Pauper". And this is another reason
why the comic book versions (the non-Disney versions) of these characters,
where they are *true* characters in their own rights, are much more
appealing and interesting to me.

Hi everyone!

Don Rosa:

>>> I have always had it in the back of my mind to do another "Lo$" where
>>> Pothole would be young $crooge's sidekick, giving him a friend/relative
to
>>> talk to (since he should otherwise be a loner). And I wanted that story
to
>>> tell (as a sideplot) how Pothole invents American comic books after his
>>> success in dime novels.

I love "Master of the Mississippi" Pothole McDuck. He's a great creation--
funny, endearing, and indeed a bit like Donald in his bragging.

>>>On the other hand, that did not actually take place
>>> until the early 1930's which would put it too late for involvement by
>>> $crooge (who by then would be running his empire from Duckburg) or by
>>> Pothole (who would be either too old or too dead).

I saw this on Bud Plant's site:
http://www.budplant.com/prod.itml/icOid/11983
"THE ADVENTURES OF OBADIAH OLDBUCK
By Rodolphe T?pffer.
The First American Comic Book. Originally published in 1842, more than half
a century before the creation of Yellow Kid! Shown in sequential panels,
this is the comical tale of a man in love, Mr. Vieux Bois. However, his love
is unrequited, resulting in innumerable failed suicide attempts, the
solitary life of a monk and endless adventure. Very entertaining. Also
includes "Martin Myst?re" by Alfredo Castelli and Lucio Filippucci (in
Italian) and a loose 4-page, 11x14 heavy stock newspaper reproduction (May
5, 1895) with more comics and text. [...]"

I'll have to order it some time.
In my (short) research on comic strips a couple of years ago, I had found a
reference to T?pffer's as the first comic. As the name suggests, it was a
European "comic", entitled "Histoires en Estampes", published in Switzerland
in 1846-7.
The next comic work was Wilhelm Busch's "Max und Moritz" (1860-70), in
Germany.

I am not sure in which book in my bibliography I found this, though. I don't
know how to explain the 1842/1846 US/Germany difference. I believe the
notes in the Obadiah book explain it all.

Anyway, this might help solve the dilemma (having Pothole meet T?pffer?).

>>> what's going on? Or perhaps the problem is (as I have heard, though it
>>> boggles the mind) that some of these editors give translators comic
scripts
>>> to translate *without* showing them the art, which would be blatantly
>>> idiotic.

TV and movie translations are quite baffling too. Even if they don't see
the movie, they should at least actually *read* and pay attention to what
they're writing!
Disney-wise, in a series of stories published in Super Picsou G?ant (about
F1 racing), Flintheart (Gripsou) is always called Rockerduck (Flairsou). Who
translated this? Someone who doesn't know the characters? Even so, how hard
is it to check who the duck is? It's part of the job, after all? And
howcome nobody notices it? I have already seen that confusion in other
stories.

Have a nice week-end!

Olivier

Olivier, Don

>In my (short) research on comic strips a couple of years ago, I had found a
>reference to T?pffer's as the first comic. As the name suggests, it was a
>European "comic", entitled "Histoires en Estampes", published in Switzerland
>in 1846-7.
>The next comic work was Wilhelm Busch's "Max und Moritz" (1860-70), in
>Germany.

Well, I understand there are different "schools of thought" on the
matter, differing where they try to define what a "real" comic is...

The general agreement about the Yellow Kid being the first "real"
comic is based on the fact that it was the first to introduce spoken
words within the boundaries of the panel, first with the messages
on his gown or posters, and later with "proper" word balloons, rather
than confining the narration in captions, often rhyming, as it was
with Obadiah or Max und Moritz and other early european stuff.

The first comic according to the "Toeppfer Theory" would instead be
the one which first featured more images than text, and "invented"
the panels sequence as format, and that could certainly have been
Toeppfer...

But this "style" was itself just the evolution of the classic
illustrated tale, where you usually had a full page of illustration
every dozen of text or so, and we could go as far back as to the
Altamira caves this way... :-)

So I personally stick with the Yellow Kid, me, although I find
all this research work on the origins of comics highly interesting
(and I have the Obadiah book, rather a large magazine format, btw)

However, back to the original topic, I think this whole "first
comic" idea could really be a perfect "excuse" for a Pothole
story, although I'm not sure Toeppfer or Busch ever visited the
States... but he *might* have read Obadiah, and perhaps come up
with the very idea of word balloons, for instance, but nobody
takes him seriously... and I don't think it would have to be
the actual comic book *format* the matter, but the general concept
of comics...

So I second the motion for a new Pothole story about comics... :-)

Ah and, Don... I'm afraid the italian translators goofed the "Big
Money" gag as well... they used "guadagnar bene" (lit. earn well),
when it could have easily been "fate dei GRAN soldi" (lit. make
BIG money), which, I'm afraid, means they must have missed the
gag altogether...

Cheers!

Eta Beta