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> From: "Stefan Persson" <reimersholme at hotmail.com>
> Please refer to one of your earlier mails from yesterday where
> you point to
> a scan of it at Sigvald's site.

I responded to this in an e-mail to you yesterday, but as I
didn't get a reply I'll just repeat here... I have no idea what
you're talking about. *After* I sent the message asking for the
scan, I sent a message saying "never mind, I found it here" with
a link. You seem to think the messages were sent in the reverse
order or something. I may be scatterbrained sometimes but I'm
not THAT clueless to forget an image from just the day before.
o_0 Your reply really confused me. Sorry to clutter the list
with this.

> From: "Matthew Williams" <kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net>
> I think I can speak for many American Disney Comics
> fans when I
> say that I am quite jealous of our European and international
> brethren!

Oh, me too! I'm terribly jealous. Aside from my father and a
couple of his friends, and perhaps the fellow who runs the local
comic book store, no one that I know even knows who Carl Barks
or Don Rosa are. I was thrilled when my Asian literature
professor knew (and liked) Carl Barks! It's terribly sad how
few people know these comics.

> At any rate, I've always gotten the impression that as
> twenty-six year old
> American, I was something of a minority among Disney comic
> fans and that
> most American fans were hooked by reading the original
> editions of Barks's
> works.

I definitely agree. I'm 23, and I've only met ONE person of my
generation who knows who Barks, Rosa, Van Horn, et al are. My
father and a couple of his friends got hooked as kids reading
Barks in the old days. I became a fan because my dad read his
old comics to me. But I'm lonely as the only fan my age in
these parts! ;)

> What I would like to ask (and I don't want to delve
> into anyone's
> personal space) is if there are very many of you out there who
> are American
> AND were hooked into the comics in the eighties or afterwards?

Well, I got hooked in around 1984, but I was only four then,
so... ;)

> This is a little off-topic, but let me share it anyway! I
> teach freshmen
> English courses at a state university and I often ask my
> students out of
> curiosity, "How many of you have heard who Carl Barks is?"
> Usually about
> five folks raise their hands. Then I explain that The
> Communist Manifesto
> was written by some other guy. Sigh.

LOL!!!! Oh dear, that's terrible. But very amusing. Besides,
Marx had far more hair, and his writing is not nearly as
entertaining. ;)

> From: Larry Giver <lgiver at pacbell.net>
> In this same story, Scrooge's secretary is called
> Quackfaster in
> Part 1, page 4, panel 6, while in Part 2, page 1, panel 2,
> Scrooge
> calls her "Ms. Typefast". I think Gary Leach posted here that
> Gemstone planned to consistently use the name Ms. Quackfaster
> for
> Scrooge's secretary.

I noticed that! I prefer "Quackfaster" but I can live with
either, as long as it's consistent.

Katie Sullivan
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 Brigitta's first appearance was in "The
last balaboo" - I also have the Gladstone version, which came with an article
that presents it as being so, but  the story hints that they ($crooge+Brigitta)HAVE known
each other for a long time (since before the date that he gave her
the balaboo hat).
It's the fact that $crooge reacts to her like a villain and yet may be smitten with
her that is interesting. Why HE WOULD
be so smitten and have mixed feelings is not explianed.
She (Brigitta) seems like the only female character, besides Magica de Spell and Miss
Quackfaster,
who appears regularly in the $crooge stories and lives in the present. I don't really
think she was intended to be a villain, but more of a romantic foil, like an "anti-Magica" -
what a "good" counterpart to  Magica  would be like, her opposite. She doesn't use
magic (or maybe she has, I don't know), is persistant, has an exotic name, wears bright clothes, has blond hair,
and
doesn't wish any real ill will to happen to $crooge.
 
Joseph Adorno
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stefan Persson" <reimersholme at hotmail.com>
To: <jongraywb at hotmail.com>; <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: Secondary characters

> Ah, yes, I probably mixed them up.
>

Yes is easy to mixed thouse two, they have a hat in disame color
:-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Just jocking.

Anny wey I never sen theat Barks one page story with Ludwig Von Drake.
Sombody here now wat it was obaut? I only now theat Scrooge and Grandma Duck
aperd in it. And taitel was "Flowers are Flowers"

Yours
Maciek

Two requests:

1.) Do NOT include the whole digest when sending mails to DCML.

2.) Please send mails in a format that, when pressing "Reply All", the text
is copied to the reply and indented with '>'.

I see that answering your mail also makes the mailer include some strange
attachment: text2.html. I wonder what that is...

Stefan

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>From: Katie Sullivan <vazali at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: vazali at yahoo.com
>To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Subject: confusion, nostalgia and misc.
>Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 11:51:56 -0700 (PDT)

>I responded to this in an e-mail to you yesterday, but as I
>didn't get a reply I'll just repeat here... I have no idea what
>you're talking about. *After* I sent the message asking for the
>scan, I sent a message saying "never mind, I found it here" with
>a link. You seem to think the messages were sent in the reverse
>order or something. I may be scatterbrained sometimes but I'm
>not THAT clueless to forget an image from just the day before.
>o_0 Your reply really confused me. Sorry to clutter the list
>with this.

Oops, yes, I received your messages in the wrong order, making me really
confused.

Stefan

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> From: Cord Wiljes <cord at wiljes.de>
> Subject: Whatever happened to Scrooge?
> To: "'Don Rosa'" <donrosa at iglou.com>, dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
> Never in my wildest dreams would I consider any chance that this
> drawing could have
> been "mean-spirited" - within or without the context of it's
> original publication.
> You just have to look into the Duck's faces to know better!

Obviously, you're totally right, but let me tell you the truest words you'll
hear all day: In the past 15+ years I've learned that when it comes to
dealing with characters that some people love so much that they regard them
as "theirs", you have NO idea what a few of those people will resentfully
proclaim as "mean-spirited"!

> From: Katie Sullivan <vazali at yahoo.com>
> I doubt it was a deliberate slight, and even if it was, stop
> being so touchy! *sigh*

I think we should resign ourselves to this personality trait. Obviously it
will not change. (yes... *sigh*).

> Besides, even with the Rosa universe there are contradictions.
> First, in Lo$ 12 we see him in his huge, gothic mansion. We're
> told he sells that. Okay. In "Island at the Edge of Time"
> Scrooge lives elsewhere and walks to the Money Bin in the early
> morning.

I never believed that $crooge lived anywhere other than the Money Bin, but
the "Island" story made it easier to show him arriving from elsewhere in the
morning, as did that TEMPO magazine gag. To show him arriving at his office
from upstairs would imply that he was just coming down from another office,
and would have required a several panel explanation of something that was
not related to the story and inappropriate at that moment.
Anyway, the Egmont editor said that he had always assumed that $crooge lived
in town in some cheap apartment. I said that wasn't too abhorrent an idea to
me, so we compromised for future purposes -- $crooge lives mainly in his Bin
quarters, but for various reasons he sometimes stays at a small apartment he
has in some downtown Duckburg building. In fact, in the story I'm working on
right now, I had to show $crooge arriving at the Bin's entrance at dawn as
in "Island", but I invent another reason for it since to go into an
explanation of the "downtown apartment" idea would have interrupted the
story with unnecessary info (and I already have enough unnecessary info in
every panel of my stories already!).

> From: "KUR" <ggk at wp.pl>
> I olwey's was thnking theat they will be teacher's or schoolmasters in the
> future. I personaly don;t see dous tree as businessman's.

That's a good point! Since I never expected that that lil' cartoon would
ever appear other than in that one issue of that small print-run fanzine
(rather than on websites and in actual licensed Disney comic books around
the world, forever!) I would have given lots more thought to how the nephews
were dressed. If I had it to do over again, I would have one dressed in
"casual business" attire (for running the McDuck Memorial Charity
Foundation), one dressed somehow to clearly indicate a teacher, and one
dressed as a forest ranger of Senior Woodchuck. And I would imagine to
myself that they are all three employed in all three of those activities at
different times, swapping off one job for another. (I still like the idea of
them being the same character times 3, with no individual traits... I think
that's part of the "gag" for me, that there could be three such noble yet
identical people.)
By the way, you are apparently using some sort of computer program that
types out your spoken words, aren't you? Is that why your messages are
presented as being a phonetically spelled version of English spoken with an
accent? It's fun to read!

> From: "Klartekst" <info at klartekst.no>
> In the story "Go Slowly, Sands of Time"
> written and illustrated (in 1980!) by CB
> himself it is revealed that the old duck is
> constantly rejuvinated by his daily money
> swims. I quote from the end of the story:
> Commenting on the story, Barks said that it
> was
> "...kind of a spiritual story of Scrooge,
> which gives him a means of going on and on
> forever so you don't have to to feel that he
> comes to the end of the line and dies all at
> once. He's going to just keep on going into
> eternity. Kids that read about him a hundred
> years from now can think of him as still
> being alive."

And that's fine if that's your idea.
I think "Go Slowly Sands of Time" was something that Barks would naturally
do for his fans and for his creation, especially when requested to do so.
But as with the oil paintings, I regard this explanation as having been done
years "after the fact" of Barks' actual career of story creating, done for a
different reason than his original career of storytelling as were the
paintings, not to mention the inexplicability and "fairy tale" quality of
that explanation which I don't care for. So, as with any and all info seen
in the oil paintings, I am interested or amused by it, but I choose to
ultimately disregard it.
Based on the stories in Barks' actual "career", people sometimes want to
note $crooge's encounter with the Fountain of Youth to explain that he
"lives forever". But that story told of how drinking the water (as the Ducks
did) only made one healthy... swimming in it (which they did *not* do) is
what made one younger. And continuing to drink it daily (which they also
could not do) would keep one the same age. To interpret the story to mean
that one drink would keep $crooge the same age forever would also imply that
the Nephews who also drank the water will never grow up, and that's a *very*
sad and depressing fate to wish on a child... reminds me of that pitiful
undead toddler in "Interview with a Vampire". (Actually, maybe the story did
not show the Nephews drinking, I'm not double-checking -- but the fact
remains that the story stated that drinking the water only resulted in good
health). So I figure drinking from the Fountain of Youth is why $crooge was
so healthy that he could live and be active until he was 100, which would be
in 1967 when Barks retired. And as it turned out, that's what Barks himself
virtually accomplished (except for some poor health right at the end), so
it's all the more appropriate.
(Why am I sending so many messages on so many different past DCML digests? I
just returned from a trip to a very nice comic convention in St. Paul, MN,
and I'm playing catch-up.)