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Rich Bellacera
Well, even though Egmont may consider Ludwig von Drake to be "officially dead" and there might be a bias against such
characters as Moby Duck, their is still the seeming "fact" that Disney, as an entity, does not currently express the
same sentimentality! A recent Pin Collectors version of the "Duck Family Tree" firmly includes BOTH characters, and as
recently as the animated TV series, Ludwig was very MUCH alive and well in MODERN cartoons. The BAY CHRONICLES
comicbook series has recently utilized Moby in a continuous fashion as the lead character. Egmont may dictate who can
and cannot be used in THEIR publications, but that does not mean no one can use a character if published through some
other source.

Dimwitty (and Porpy), on the other hand, has seemingly fallen by the wayside through disuse (sliding into that place
called "comicbook limbo" where characters can easily be long forgotten until some creator decides to pluck them out for
a spell).

Thanks,

Rich Bellacera
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KUR
From: "Don Rosa" <donrosa at iglou.com>

> To also repeat: Egmont deemed him an "officially dead" character.

HAS DEAD? Oh, I didn't now. Im so sorry. And he was looking so fine when I
last sow him... (Snif)

>I was forbidden to use him, so I could only sneak him into panel corners
when the
> editor wasn't looking.

So let me get this straight : Editor's aren'tt knowing about those Ludwig
apearences?

> I also used him in "A Little Something Special".

I didn't see thiis story (long storiess like this one doesn't apeard too
often in Poland) but I seen some scans I had found In the Internet and
Ludwig was on first panel of page 6. Did he apear later in this story?

Best wishes
Yours
Maciek
Stefan Persson
>From: "KUR" <ggk at wp.pl>
>To: "Disney Comics Mailing List" <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
>Subject: Re: DCML Digest Issue 16 (Ludwig Von Drake in Don Rosa storys)
>Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:36:56 +0200

> >I was forbidden to use him, so I could only sneak him into panel corners
>when the
> > editor wasn't looking.
>
>So let me get this straight : Editor's aren'tt knowing about those Ludwig
>apearences?

Well, I guess that the editors don't really care if he only appears in one
panel, and doesn't play any important role either. Then he could be anyone,
and readers might not even notice him. What I guess they mean is that they
don't like him playing a major role in stories.

Stefan

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Jonathan H. Gray
>Well, his graphic look was created by the "Maestro" Ward Kimball for a TV
>show he also directed, "Pacifically Peeking", which aired on TV Oct. 6 1968
>(more than an year after Moby's creation, so the books come out before
>it...

Thats cool. I suppose it gives him a little more credibility as a character
if his creation was done in the vein of Ludwig so to speak. :)

>Originally, Ward wanted to call him Peg-Leg Duck and designed him with a
>peg-leg, but this idea was changed in order to be politically more
>correct).

To this day I fail to see how a peg legged charcter is politically
incorrect... O_O

Jon Gray

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Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Klartekst <info at klartekst.no> wrote:

> I seem to remeber having seen Scrooge in
> nightclothes in Italian stories, but does
> anyone remember if this has been shown
> elsewhere recently?

Oh yes:
- The Beagle VS The Money Bin (2001)
- Dream of a Lifetime (2002)

Sigvald
Daniel J. Neyer
I must say that I'd love to see Ludwig Von Drake return to comics. I
absolutely love the animated sequences that featured Ludwig on the Walt
Disney Presents show, thanks especially to Paul Frees' hilarious voice. I
think that Ludwig could indeed "work" in a Rosa story, and he would be a
real natural for Van Horn.

The THREE CABALLEROS RIDES AGAIN proves that a Duck story doesn't have to
use the Scrooge/Donald/Nephews or Donald/Nephews group to be good. With
the return of Jose Carioca and Panchito Pistoles, maybe it's possible
that characters like Ludwig and Launchpad could make a comeback as well?
Gottfredson's Mickey stories showed more variety in the supporting
cast--Goofy, Horace, Eega Beeva, and Gloomy, all with distinct
personalities of their own, served as Mickey's co-adventurers in
different stories, and it would be nice to see Donald, for instance, team
up for a solo adventure with Launchpad.

Of course, it would be really great someday to see the dual universe
barrier torn down, and Mickey and Donald sharing adventures as they did
in the thirties, but that will probably never happen. Or can it? Is there
some rule against using Mice and Ducks in the same story? Ron Fernandez
and Pat Block's TOO LATE FOR CHRISTMAS featured Goofy together with
Donald and Gladstone, and there was an Egmont story, ON THE BALL, printed
back in Gladstone's second run that co-starred Don and Mick. The two
characters are excellent foils for each other, or so I've always thought.

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Stefan Persson
>From: Rich Bellacera <xephyr at cwnet.com>
>Reply-To: xephyr at cwnet.com
>To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Subject: Ludwig von Drake vs. Egmont (and MOBY)
>Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 10:34:58 -0700

>Well, even though Egmont may consider Ludwig von Drake to be "officially
>dead" and there might be a bias against such
>characters as Moby Duck, their is still the seeming "fact" that Disney, as
>an entity, does not currently express the
>same sentimentality! A recent Pin Collectors version of the "Duck Family
>Tree" firmly includes BOTH characters, and as
>recently as the animated TV series, Ludwig was very MUCH alive and well in
>MODERN cartoons. The BAY CHRONICLES
>comicbook series has recently utilized Moby in a continuous fashion as the
>lead character. Egmont may dictate who can
>and cannot be used in THEIR publications, but that does not mean no one can
>use a character if published through some
>other source.

Aren't the Italians still using LvD in some occasional stories? I know that
he appeared in some of the new Giovani Marmotte stories, at least.

Stefan

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Katie Sullivan
Don Rosa wrote, re: me missing the con in St Paul:
>Golly, I'm sorry! I would have VERY MUCH liked to meet you. I
>would have drawn you another pic of Goldie. Or given you one of
>the prints of the cover
>art from "Hearts of the Yukon" that I carry with me to shows.

Aww, that's so nice of you! (Of course now I feel even WORSE
about missing the con, but it's still very nice!) ;-D
I'll keep my eyes peeled for the next convention within a
reasonable distance of my hometown.

>Is Toronto close enough to you?

Probably not. :( St Paul and Chicago are probably the only ones
I could make, since my parents and I could drive there. I'll
just have to be patient for the next one closeby, I guess. As
you said, with Gemstone up and running, there might be more
opportunities than in the past few years.

>I was only contacted to appear at the St. Paul show less than a

>month ago,
>so perhaps I was not on their earliest flyers, but I saw the
>last one they
>sent out and I was mentioned prominently.

Ah, that makes sense (and makes me feel slightly better.) The
only flyer I got in the mail arrived a couple of months ago. I
guess I didn't get the more recent ones. I need to get on some
mailing lists, I guess! ;)

>And don't fuss at them for not
>granting me (as our friend might say) proper "respect" -- they
>treated me
>VERY nicely! They kept referring to me as "legendary" (which
>sort of worries
>me... that must mean my gray hair makes me look old!).

Nah, you just stuck your finger in a lightbulb socket one time
in Montana... ;D

Frank B. wrote:
> Let's face it: Scrooge uses the night for
> SLEEPING. ;-)

*gasp*! Really? ;)
Even the world's richest duck has to sleep sometime, after all.
How else would be store up the energy for all those fantastic
adventures?

> From: "Mark A. Semich" <mas at nic.nu>
> I also scanned in March's picture, which features two
> characters that I
> think she'll appreciate :-)
> http://theages.superman.ws/users/mas/squiggs/calendar-03.jpg

:-D Thanks! I had seen that picture somewhere online, but the
coloring was all wrong. (I mean, I understand how different
countries have different coloring procedures, like switching
Matilda and Hortense's hair colors from how they appear in
America, but honestly...Goldie HAS to have golden-blond hair,
not brown. She's GOLDie, for heaven's sake! LOL!)
Thanks for sharing that picture!! :) The coloring on the other
one is exceptionally well-done, too.

Adding to the list of stories where Scrooge appears in his
pajamas, Sigvald wrote:
> Oh yes:
> - The Beagle VS The Money Bin (2001)
> - Dream of a Lifetime (2002)

Oh yes, I nearly forgot The Beagles Vs. The Money Bin! I only
have that one in Danish so I don't know much about the plot, and
I forgot to mention it. I think earlier when I said something
about "Dream of a Lifetime" I *meant* TBVTMB instead. (We don't
really see much of Scrooge's attire in "Dream" since he's
covered up by the blankets.) Ah well, an easy mistake to make,
since both take place at the Money Bin, at night, with Beagles
all over the place. ;)

All this talk about Ludvig Von Drake and his "death" as per
Egmont decree reminds me of a question I wanted to ask Don Rosa:

Although you had to remove him from the family tree, I read that
at least in your private notes you imagine him as being married
to Matilda McDuck; (otherwise he couldn't be Donald's uncle.)
Yet from what I understand of "Letter From Home," she's been
living in Scotland for many years. Did she and Ludvig get a
divorce? ;) Or are you just ignoring that unofficial
relationship for the sake of what I hear is an excellent story,
since you were never allowed to show it, anyway? Just a random
bit of curiosity... ;)

Katie Sullivan
http://www.sullivanet.com/

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Don Rosa
> From: "KUR" <ggk at wp.pl>
> Well I usse my *Lexibook* (Im routh a world in Polish, press a buton and
> [Magic?] it is in English.

Uh... I don't know what the "Lexibook" salesman told you, but what your
messages appear in is not quite English. The words are grossly misspelled
and sometimes undecipherable. I thought such programs understood and
recognized and reproduced standard words but I don't know what yours is
doing. Why does it spell "use" as "usse", "button" as "buton", "I'm" as
"Im", translate the Polish word for "word" into "world" or create nonwords
like "routh"? And that's just the errors in the last sentence you "routhed"
(whatever that means). Your meaning is generally clear, but not sparklingly.
Whatever your "Lexibook" is doing, it's not doing it quite right.
But I don't mean you should stop. I just wanted to let you know that what
we're getting on this end is pretty daggone weird looking. Your messages
read like the dialogue I write for Arpin Lusene. It's cute.
Rob Klein
The lack of use of Ludwig Von Drake in Dutch comics in recent years has nothing
to do with memories of what the Germans did in WWII. If that were the case, he
wouldn't have appeared in all those Strobl drawn stories from the late Dells
and Gold Key era and S stories from the 1960s. They appeared in the 1960s and
1970s. I doubt that there is a prohibition on printing stories with Ludwig. As
far as recent stories using him, I can't remember any. He's not an easy
character to weave into a story where he is really needed. I haven't submitted
any with him to Dutch Disney. I did sell a one-page gag starring Ludwig to
Egmont in 1993, but it was shelved. My editor told me there was a prohibition
against using him.

Regarding Scrooge's sleeping quarters. I drew him in a nightshirt and nightcap
and wearing slippers, sleeping in a room one floor above his office floor in
The McDuck Building in Downtown Duckburg in a 1992 story for Egmont. When the
Beagle Boys broke in to break into the office to try to crack his safe. There
was no attempt by my editors to make me change the location to the main money
bin on Killmotor Hill, OR its OTHER LOCATION on the flat ground by The Duckburg
River (The Money Well, Second Richest Duck, etc.).

Rob
Klein

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Hoy Murphy
> I live about 90 miles from this convention. Is it worth going to?
Obviously, I'd love to see Don, but I don't even know what he'll be doing
there (drawing? chatting? sitting on panels?) and I'm not sure what else
there is to do at a comic convention. I don't have much money for rare, old
comics these days, but I'd like to pick up some more common back issues from
the 80's-90's that I'm missing. Will I find them there?
>
> rodney.

I live about the same distance, and every year for the past few years I've
taken my two kids and we've had a ball. The first person I always look up is
our pal Don Rosa, who usually has a table set up with a bunch of interesting
colored prints for sale, and I always walk away with at least a couple. My
favorite is the parody of All-Star Comics #3, which features the Junior
Woodchucks and the Little Chickadees sitting around the meeting table, as
per the Justice Society. Don's always friendly and eager to answer
questions, even though the past few years there haven't been any American
Disney comics to ask about!

Otherwise, there's a good-sized dealer room with a wide variety of back
issues and merchandise. My daughter goes for the Japanese anime and manga
imports.

--your pal, Hoy
Chuck Munson
Some interesting threads we've had going lately.

I am 41 and the first Disney comic that I can remember
getting is the June 1968 Walt Disney Comics Digest #1.
I was five years old and on an errand that Mom had
sent me on with our neighbors teenage son. In order
to raise the money to get it (Mom did not give us
enough to cover the whopping 50 cents it then cost),
we looked for stray glass bottles to turn in at the
grocery store for the deposit money. I was thrilled
and it was the start of a life-long hobby and source
of fun. In spite of its current condition -
dog-eared,etc. - it still holds an incredible
soft-spot in my heart.

So who here remembers Buck Duck? A western sheriff
who may or may not be in any way related to the
Duck/McDuck family tree.

Don, I'd like to inquire if you'll be visiting the
Baltimore/DC area any time soon.

Take care everyone,
Chuck

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Don Rosa
> From: rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com
> Subject: Re: Don Rosa at Mid-Ohio Comic Con
> I live about 90 miles from this convention. Is it worth going
> to? Obviously, I'd love to see Don, but I don't even know what
> he'll be doing there (drawing? chatting? sitting on panels?)

I'll just be signing and doing free head drawings. I stopped doing the
lavish full-color drawings that I used to do for folks at American comic
shows for $30-$40 each... when I started with eBay I saw that some of them
were being immediately put on there and fetching the phony fans who bought
them $400-$700 each! I can't let people use me like that! Even now, I must
insist on putting dedications on the free drawings... several of the
freebies I did at the Gemstone booth in San Diego were on eBay within days
fetching $60 apiece. Wotta country.

> and I'm not sure what else there is to do at a comic convention.
> I don't have much money for rare, old comics these days, but I'd
> like to pick up some more common back issues from the 80's-90's
> that I'm missing. Will I find them there?

There's no way I can answer that question! There will be lots of comics
there and lots of comic writers or artists ranging from famous to virtually
unknown (in America I fall into the lower end of that spectrum) and a number
of minor or "has-been" TV personalities signing photos. Naturally dealers
will generally only bring the better-selling comics to shows due to space
limitations of their vehicles or booths. If you're looking for 80's-90's
Disney comics, there will be few of those at the show since there are few
buyers for them. There might be a lot of 80's-90's violent-superhero comics
on hand. But I obviously can't even predict any of that with any certainty.
Go look at the MidOhioCon website to see what they say about themselves,
then decide for yourself.
Ari Seppi
Mark:
>Katie asked about the Don Rosa Calendar. I've scanned in two pictures
>from it.

Both of the Don-calendars are also scanned on Kai Saarto's
Rosa site:

http://www.perunamaa.net/donrosa/gallery_pictures.shtml

--
Ari Seppi (ari.seppi at iki.fi)
http://www.iki.fi/mani/
L. Schulte
Rob Klein wrote:
>The lack of use of Ludwig Von Drake in Dutch comics in recent years has
>nothing
>to do with memories of what the Germans did in WWII. If that were the
>case, he
>wouldn't have appeared in all those Strobl drawn stories from the late Dells
>and Gold Key era and S stories from the 1960s. They appeared in the 1960s
>and
>1970s. I doubt that there is a prohibition on printing stories with
>Ludwig. As
>far as recent stories using him, I can't remember any. He's not an easy
>character to weave into a story where he is really needed. I haven't
>submitted
>any with him to Dutch Disney. I did sell a one-page gag starring Ludwig to
>Egmont in 1993, but it was shelved. My editor told me there was a
>prohibition
>against using him.

Hi Rob!
Can you explain the contradiction highlighted above?
If "anti-German bias" against Ludwig is not the answer, what is their
rationale against him? Does someone at Egmont think he is not funny
enough? Is he too much of an intellectual character for kids?
Thanks!
Leo Schulte
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