OLAF WROTE:
> I just have to ask - can any of you remember cases where a language is
> spoken,
> and the Ducks/Mouses does not understand it? I remember one case - Don
> Rosa's "Attaaaaack!", where Scrooge doesn't understand Brutopian.
AND I RESPOND:
Maybe Scrooge left his Babel fish at home.
Author
Topic: 200310
(424 messages)
Dan Shane
Poorly understood Brutopians
Message 316 -
2003-10-21 at 13:33:23
Cord Wiljes
AW: Easily understood ducks
Message 317 -
2003-10-21 at 13:54:28
Dan Shane wrote:
> Maybe they all have Babel fish stuck in their ears.
I don't think so. They do not even have a towel.
Cord
> Maybe they all have Babel fish stuck in their ears.
I don't think so. They do not even have a towel.
Cord
L. Schulte
Goofy's Background
Message 318 -
2003-10-21 at 15:05:12
Concerning the discussion on Goofy's background: my memory dredged up
something recently after reading some of the posts. I recall a comic book
here in the U.S. giving the "whole story" of Goofy's rise to
stardom. Sorry, I cannot recall what kind of comic book the story appeared
in: it might be from the late 1950's or early 1960's. I remember
specifically however that Goofy's "real name" was Dippy Dawg ("dawg" being
the phonetic spelling of the American pronunciation of "dog") and that in
the story he was given "Goofy" as his stage name.
Perhaps one of the avid collector's out there knows of this story.
something recently after reading some of the posts. I recall a comic book
here in the U.S. giving the "whole story" of Goofy's rise to
stardom. Sorry, I cannot recall what kind of comic book the story appeared
in: it might be from the late 1950's or early 1960's. I remember
specifically however that Goofy's "real name" was Dippy Dawg ("dawg" being
the phonetic spelling of the American pronunciation of "dog") and that in
the story he was given "Goofy" as his stage name.
Perhaps one of the avid collector's out there knows of this story.
Matthew Williams
Goofy's Background
Message 319 -
2003-10-21 at 15:26:31
L. Schulte Wrote:
>Concerning the discussion on Goofy's background: my memory dredged up
>something recently after reading some of the posts. I recall a comic book
>here in the U.S. giving the "whole story" of Goofy's rise to
>stardom. Sorry, I cannot recall what kind of comic book the story appeared
>in: it might be from the late 1950's or early 1960's. I remember
>specifically however that Goofy's "real name" was Dippy Dawg ("dawg" being
>the phonetic spelling of the American pronunciation of "dog") and that in
>the story he was given "Goofy" as his stage name.
>Perhaps one of the avid collector's out there knows of this story.
I haven't read the comic, but are you thinking about the comic book
adaptation of "The Goofy Success Story"? The exact same thing happens in
the Walt Disney Presents episode of the same name. The episode originally
aired December 7, 1955. I haven't seen the episode in many years, but I
remember being absolutely entranced with it at one point in my life!
Matthew A. Williams
>Concerning the discussion on Goofy's background: my memory dredged up
>something recently after reading some of the posts. I recall a comic book
>here in the U.S. giving the "whole story" of Goofy's rise to
>stardom. Sorry, I cannot recall what kind of comic book the story appeared
>in: it might be from the late 1950's or early 1960's. I remember
>specifically however that Goofy's "real name" was Dippy Dawg ("dawg" being
>the phonetic spelling of the American pronunciation of "dog") and that in
>the story he was given "Goofy" as his stage name.
>Perhaps one of the avid collector's out there knows of this story.
I haven't read the comic, but are you thinking about the comic book
adaptation of "The Goofy Success Story"? The exact same thing happens in
the Walt Disney Presents episode of the same name. The episode originally
aired December 7, 1955. I haven't seen the episode in many years, but I
remember being absolutely entranced with it at one point in my life!
Matthew A. Williams
Klartekst
Duckburg
Message 320 -
2003-10-21 at 16:15:11
I think Duckburg is like Toon Town in "Roger Rabbit". Definitely in the US,
but sort of in another dimension. I know this, because I have been there.
For an account of the trip, see
http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2002-February/018130.html.
Nils Smeby
but sort of in another dimension. I know this, because I have been there.
For an account of the trip, see
http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2002-February/018130.html.
Nils Smeby
Don Rosa
DCML Digest Issue 43
Message 321 -
2003-10-21 at 16:39:43
> From: "Matthew Williams" <kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net>
> Subject: Duckburg
> I think I've said on the list before that I am VERY jealous of
> the fact that
> Disney comics are more mainstream and appreciated in Europe. Why
> shouldn't
> the ducks be expatriates like the great American writers of the early
> twentieth century? Fitzgerald, Hemmingway, Stein, and many
> others felt out
> of sync with the rest of the US and left for Europe.
But then when they might have written of something that happened in their
youth, did they suddenly decide that they were born in Oslo or Stuttgart or
Nice?
In *many* interviews I have stated that "Barks created his Ducks for and in
America, but Western stopped creating those stories 30 years ago and America
abandoned the Ducks. They now belong to Europe, to Egmont and Italy and such
publishers and their readers." But they still are American creations.
Europeans have a greater appreciation of Jazz and even Mark Twain than I see
in America, but they don't need to or want to think that Jazz was created in
the bistros in Paris or that Huck Finn lived on the Rhine.
> From: "deanmary" <deanmary at worldnet.att.net>
> Subject: Age of the Nephews
> I was wondering what list members thoughts were on this question:
> When you read a Disney Duck story how old do you feel Huey, Dewey,
> and Louie are?
When I read Barks' stories from the period from which I draw my main
inspiration (mid 50's), I felt they were about 12... so that's how I write
them. Physically about 12, mentally about 30.
In Barks' older stories they seem much younger (but still always wiser than
the adults).
> From: <H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl>
> Subject: Make
> I think you *didn't* know that might not be true in other
> languages. Why else would you have written the following?
> "but it seems like "make big money" would work in any language."
> Or was that a different Don Rosa?
You speak and write better English than 99% of the Americans I know. But you
need to check your Dutch-English dictionary for the definition of "seem". It
means "to appear to be so based only on one's mind's eye; to apparently, but
not actually, be so". Then I add that additional word of uncertainty,
"like". And there you have it.
Did you think "seems like" meant "obviously is"?
> From: Cord Wiljes <cord at wiljes.de>
> Subject: AW: Duckburg
> I don't remember the duck's ever speaking about themselves as
> "Americans" in Barks' stories. Especially there does not seem to exist
> anything called "United States of America".
You shouldn't pay attention to this since I'm too lazy to go searching to
find the instances, but Barks' Ducks did occasionally refer to living in
America. And why not? That's the only country in which Barks thought the
stories would ever appear. Why would he avoid it? Donald used to say he
lived in Burbank (California) and I believe they sometimes referred to
leaving or returning to America.
> And if artistic license allows us to have Spartacus talk in English so
> he can be understood by modern moviegoers: Couldn't the same artistic
> license be the reason why Duckburg is located in North-America in
> stories written in the U.S.? And located in Italy in stories written in
> Italy?
Your reasoning evades me, especially when you try to draw a comparison to
Spartacus. Sparty spoke in English, yes, but did the American producer
transpose the setting to taking place in Detroit? Why should he?
And you use a bad example when you bring up Italy. These comics are as
popular in Italy as anywhere in the world... in fact, Italy was creating new
Duck comics, and Duck comics NOT based on Barks' work, before America was
doing so. And yet in Italian stories, Duckburg is in America. Apparently
they like it being in America. Why not?
I'm not *insisting* that all Egmont writers should set their Duckburg
stories in America where they originated, but there's no reason why they
can't -- the stories would be just as good and their readers would still
understand them and enjoy them just as much. Or they could simply avoid the
subject, which is easy enough to write around.
(Besides, I've been told by innumerable Euro fans that they always knew
Duckburg was in America simply by the American-style mail boxes. You'd need
to find yourself a European to explain that -- apparently our horizontal
half-barrell-onna-pole shaped mail depositories are very distinctive. Same
for our fire hydrants. In fact, several European newspapers have requested
photos of me with my *mailbox* or the nearest fire hydrant to visually prove
that I live in America.)
When I did my "Lo$", I had no choice (nor would I have had any reason to
avoid) but to set Duckburg in America as it was meant to be. And surely I
have as much right to do that as another Egmont writer has to set Duckburg
in Denmark or Germany (as it was not originally meant to be). That's all a
story detail that takes place in the writer/reader's mind, just like the
fact that my stories take place in the 1950's. That's a detail not essential
to the story.
> Subject: Duckburg
> I think I've said on the list before that I am VERY jealous of
> the fact that
> Disney comics are more mainstream and appreciated in Europe. Why
> shouldn't
> the ducks be expatriates like the great American writers of the early
> twentieth century? Fitzgerald, Hemmingway, Stein, and many
> others felt out
> of sync with the rest of the US and left for Europe.
But then when they might have written of something that happened in their
youth, did they suddenly decide that they were born in Oslo or Stuttgart or
Nice?
In *many* interviews I have stated that "Barks created his Ducks for and in
America, but Western stopped creating those stories 30 years ago and America
abandoned the Ducks. They now belong to Europe, to Egmont and Italy and such
publishers and their readers." But they still are American creations.
Europeans have a greater appreciation of Jazz and even Mark Twain than I see
in America, but they don't need to or want to think that Jazz was created in
the bistros in Paris or that Huck Finn lived on the Rhine.
> From: "deanmary" <deanmary at worldnet.att.net>
> Subject: Age of the Nephews
> I was wondering what list members thoughts were on this question:
> When you read a Disney Duck story how old do you feel Huey, Dewey,
> and Louie are?
When I read Barks' stories from the period from which I draw my main
inspiration (mid 50's), I felt they were about 12... so that's how I write
them. Physically about 12, mentally about 30.
In Barks' older stories they seem much younger (but still always wiser than
the adults).
> From: <H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl>
> Subject: Make
> I think you *didn't* know that might not be true in other
> languages. Why else would you have written the following?
> "but it seems like "make big money" would work in any language."
> Or was that a different Don Rosa?
You speak and write better English than 99% of the Americans I know. But you
need to check your Dutch-English dictionary for the definition of "seem". It
means "to appear to be so based only on one's mind's eye; to apparently, but
not actually, be so". Then I add that additional word of uncertainty,
"like". And there you have it.
Did you think "seems like" meant "obviously is"?
> From: Cord Wiljes <cord at wiljes.de>
> Subject: AW: Duckburg
> I don't remember the duck's ever speaking about themselves as
> "Americans" in Barks' stories. Especially there does not seem to exist
> anything called "United States of America".
You shouldn't pay attention to this since I'm too lazy to go searching to
find the instances, but Barks' Ducks did occasionally refer to living in
America. And why not? That's the only country in which Barks thought the
stories would ever appear. Why would he avoid it? Donald used to say he
lived in Burbank (California) and I believe they sometimes referred to
leaving or returning to America.
> And if artistic license allows us to have Spartacus talk in English so
> he can be understood by modern moviegoers: Couldn't the same artistic
> license be the reason why Duckburg is located in North-America in
> stories written in the U.S.? And located in Italy in stories written in
> Italy?
Your reasoning evades me, especially when you try to draw a comparison to
Spartacus. Sparty spoke in English, yes, but did the American producer
transpose the setting to taking place in Detroit? Why should he?
And you use a bad example when you bring up Italy. These comics are as
popular in Italy as anywhere in the world... in fact, Italy was creating new
Duck comics, and Duck comics NOT based on Barks' work, before America was
doing so. And yet in Italian stories, Duckburg is in America. Apparently
they like it being in America. Why not?
I'm not *insisting* that all Egmont writers should set their Duckburg
stories in America where they originated, but there's no reason why they
can't -- the stories would be just as good and their readers would still
understand them and enjoy them just as much. Or they could simply avoid the
subject, which is easy enough to write around.
(Besides, I've been told by innumerable Euro fans that they always knew
Duckburg was in America simply by the American-style mail boxes. You'd need
to find yourself a European to explain that -- apparently our horizontal
half-barrell-onna-pole shaped mail depositories are very distinctive. Same
for our fire hydrants. In fact, several European newspapers have requested
photos of me with my *mailbox* or the nearest fire hydrant to visually prove
that I live in America.)
When I did my "Lo$", I had no choice (nor would I have had any reason to
avoid) but to set Duckburg in America as it was meant to be. And surely I
have as much right to do that as another Egmont writer has to set Duckburg
in Denmark or Germany (as it was not originally meant to be). That's all a
story detail that takes place in the writer/reader's mind, just like the
fact that my stories take place in the 1950's. That's a detail not essential
to the story.
L. Schulte
Goofy's Origin Part 2
Message 322 -
2003-10-21 at 17:06:06
Allow me to make an addendum to my previous message:
I am now thinking perhaps that the Goofy story with his origins
as "Dippy Dawg" was NOT in a comic book, but was in
a "Little Golden Book", a series of very short stories with
cardboard covers.
I am now thinking perhaps that the Goofy story with his origins
as "Dippy Dawg" was NOT in a comic book, but was in
a "Little Golden Book", a series of very short stories with
cardboard covers.
JTorci3511
How old are HD&L?
Message 323 -
2003-10-21 at 18:01:34
Dean Rekich writes:
>>I was wondering what list members thoughts were on this question:
When you read a Disney Duck story how old do you feel Huey, Dewey,
and Louie are? How old are they to you in your "mind's eye"?>>
Over the course of the Barks stories, I feel that they aged from about 8 to
11. The avoidance antics of "Three Dirty Little Ducks" (WDC&S # 43) being an
example of "Age 8", and the complex calculations of "The Cattle King" (US # 69)
being an example of "Age 11".
On DuckTales, I'd peg HD&L at about "Age 9" and Webby at "Age 7".
Joe Torcivia (...not revealing his own age to anyone!)
>>I was wondering what list members thoughts were on this question:
When you read a Disney Duck story how old do you feel Huey, Dewey,
and Louie are? How old are they to you in your "mind's eye"?>>
Over the course of the Barks stories, I feel that they aged from about 8 to
11. The avoidance antics of "Three Dirty Little Ducks" (WDC&S # 43) being an
example of "Age 8", and the complex calculations of "The Cattle King" (US # 69)
being an example of "Age 11".
On DuckTales, I'd peg HD&L at about "Age 9" and Webby at "Age 7".
Joe Torcivia (...not revealing his own age to anyone!)
Timo Ronkainen
Goofy's Origin Part 2
Message 324 -
2003-10-21 at 20:04:49
>From: "L. Schulte":
>I am now thinking perhaps that the Goofy story with his origins
>as "Dippy Dawg" was NOT in a comic book,
But it was. http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/W+OS++702-02
One scene shows studio personnel thinking of new name for Dippy.
Timo
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>I am now thinking perhaps that the Goofy story with his origins
>as "Dippy Dawg" was NOT in a comic book,
But it was. http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/W+OS++702-02
One scene shows studio personnel thinking of new name for Dippy.
Timo
^^''*''^^
Cartoonist - writer - donaldist -
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YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- -
20540 Turku ------------------- -
Finland ----------------------- -
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?? Personal:
http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/
?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus:
http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/
?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali:
http://www.kvaak.fi
...............................
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Arie Fachrisal
Age of Newphews
Message 325 -
2003-10-21 at 21:19:25
> Dean Rekich writes:
> >>I was wondering what list members thoughts were on this question:
> When you read a Disney Duck story how old do you feel Huey, Dewey,
> and Louie are? How old are they to you in your "mind's eye"?>>
When i was a kid, i used to read the duck stories and "pretend" im one of
the newphews and experiencing all those events the small ducklings met in
the stories. It was a wonderful addition to my joyful reading and some of
the stories i read it over and over again to "relive" the adventure. Over
the course, i stopped seeing myself as one of the nephews. So to contribute
to that question, i'd say that hdl is around 8-15 years old in "my mind".
yep, it's quite a long age group but they "matured" through the stories
(especially Barks ones) from the naughty ones to the resourceful members of
JW.
Keep On Quacking,
Arie Fachrisal busy finding his own universal translator.
> >>I was wondering what list members thoughts were on this question:
> When you read a Disney Duck story how old do you feel Huey, Dewey,
> and Louie are? How old are they to you in your "mind's eye"?>>
When i was a kid, i used to read the duck stories and "pretend" im one of
the newphews and experiencing all those events the small ducklings met in
the stories. It was a wonderful addition to my joyful reading and some of
the stories i read it over and over again to "relive" the adventure. Over
the course, i stopped seeing myself as one of the nephews. So to contribute
to that question, i'd say that hdl is around 8-15 years old in "my mind".
yep, it's quite a long age group but they "matured" through the stories
(especially Barks ones) from the naughty ones to the resourceful members of
JW.
Keep On Quacking,
Arie Fachrisal busy finding his own universal translator.
Søren Krarup Olesen
Swedes and Danes, I need your help!
Message 326 -
2003-10-21 at 22:19:43
SIGVALD:
The story is called "Skrald og skatte" in Danish...directly translated
into "Garbage and treasures".
Nice story BTW. I really enjoy those domestic stories which are about
"little things". They usually emphasize the personality of the
characters better than what we see from various
let's-go-to-a-distant-island-and-find-a-treasure stories.
Donald is "stronger" here, than what I've seen for a long time. So in
general: Thumbs up! :-)
S?ren
The story is called "Skrald og skatte" in Danish...directly translated
into "Garbage and treasures".
Nice story BTW. I really enjoy those domestic stories which are about
"little things". They usually emphasize the personality of the
characters better than what we see from various
let's-go-to-a-distant-island-and-find-a-treasure stories.
Donald is "stronger" here, than what I've seen for a long time. So in
general: Thumbs up! :-)
S?ren
Lars Jensen
OK, Carl and Al
Message 327 -
2003-10-21 at 22:57:06
I have a few questions somebody here on the DCML might know the answers
to:
1. When was Carl Buettner (co-creator of Li'l Bad Wolf) born? I have two
dates: 1903 and May 26th 1905.
2. Same question for Al Hubbard. Here I have the years 1913 and 1915.
3. When did Hubbard die? So far, I have the years 1984 and 1985.
4. I see the Italian character OK Quack hasn't been used much the last
ten years. Did he ever find his spaceship and return to his home planet
or is he (in theory) still searching for it?
Lars
to:
1. When was Carl Buettner (co-creator of Li'l Bad Wolf) born? I have two
dates: 1903 and May 26th 1905.
2. Same question for Al Hubbard. Here I have the years 1913 and 1915.
3. When did Hubbard die? So far, I have the years 1984 and 1985.
4. I see the Italian character OK Quack hasn't been used much the last
ten years. Did he ever find his spaceship and return to his home planet
or is he (in theory) still searching for it?
Lars
Disneyfanjune
Several subjects
Message 328 -
2003-10-21 at 23:18:22
?From: "Dan Shane" <danshane at bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Easily understood ducks
> Maybe they all have Babel fish stuck in their ears.
What are Babel fish? Did I miss something while I was Disney comic deprived?
From: Klartekst
Subject: Duckburg
>
> I think Duckburg is like Toon Town in "Roger Rabbit". Definitely in the US,
> but sort of in another dimension. I know this, because I have been there.
> For an account of the trip, see
> http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2002-February/018130.html.
>
> Nils Smeby
Yeah. A lot of things don't seem to add up.
As for where Duckburg is, Duckburg should still be in the United States. They might be printed in different languages, but they still behave and think like Americans. Not to mention the fact that Duckburg looks like an American community. I may have lived in different countries, but that doesn't make me any less American. My home is the States, and the same goes for the Ducks.
From: "deanmary"
Subject: Age of the Nephews
> I was wondering what list members thoughts were on this question:
> When you read a Disney Duck story how old do you feel Huey, Dewey,
> and Louie are?
I have always thought of them as being the ages 10-12. They don't look like teens, but they don't act like 9 year olds and under.
From: "Don Rosa"
Subject: DCML Digest Issue 43
> > And if artistic license allows us to have Spartacus talk in English so
> > he can be understood by modern moviegoers: Couldn't the same artistic
> > license be the reason why Duckburg is located in North-America in
> > stories written in the U.S.? And located in Italy in stories written in
> > Italy?
>
> Your reasoning evades me, especially when you try to draw a comparison to
> Spartacus. Sparty spoke in English, yes, but did the American producer
> transpose the setting to taking place in Detroit? Why should he?
> And you use a bad example when you bring up Italy. These comics are as
> popular in Italy as anywhere in the world... in fact, Italy was creating new
> Duck comics, and Duck comics NOT based on Barks' work, before America was
> doing so. And yet in Italian stories, Duckburg is in America. Apparently
> they like it being in America. Why not?
> I'm not *insisting* that all Egmont writers should set their Duckburg
> stories in America where they originated, but there's no reason why they
> can't -- the stories would be just as good and their readers would still
> understand them and enjoy them just as much. Or they could simply avoid the
> subject, which is easy enough to write around.
> (Besides, I've been told by innumerable Euro fans that they always knew
> Duckburg was in America simply by the American-style mail boxes. You'd need
> to find yourself a European to explain that -- apparently our horizontal
> half-barrell-onna-pole shaped mail depositories are very distinctive. Same
> for our fire hydrants. In fact, several European newspapers have requested
> photos of me with my *mailbox* or the nearest fire hydrant to visually prove
> that I live in America.)
> When I did my "Lo$", I had no choice (nor would I have had any reason to
> avoid) but to set Duckburg in America as it was meant to be. And surely I
> have as much right to do that as another Egmont writer has to set Duckburg
> in Denmark or Germany (as it was not originally meant to be). That's all a
> story detail that takes place in the writer/reader's mind, just like the
> fact that my stories take place in the 1950's. That's a detail not essential
> to the story.
>
>
I remember having only a little slot for a locked box next to the gate, but I didn't realize that the mailboxes in the States were so distinctive. Even so, they still resorted to the old tricks. We once found a rotten egg in the box after Halloween. They had a lot of American holidays because so many Americans lived in Hong Kong. I forgot what the firehydrants look like. I'm not even sure we had firehydrants. I'll try to find out from one of my family members who might have a better memory.
From: JTorci3511 at aol.com
Subject: How old are HD&L?
> Joe Torcivia (...not revealing his own age to anyone!)
Ha ha. Not even if we cajoled?
From: "timo ronkainen"
Subject: Re: Goofy's Origin Part 2
>
> >From: "L. Schulte":
> >I am now thinking perhaps that the Goofy story with his origins
> >as "Dippy Dawg" was NOT in a comic book,
>
> But it was. http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/W+OS++702-02
> One scene shows studio personnel thinking of new name for Dippy.
>
> Timo
I haven't seen that, but I heard about the origins of Goofy in a book describing the history of Disney. I heard the animators begged Walt to keep Dippy Dawg because Dippy was so much fun to draw. Walt agreed on the conditions that he be given a better name and a better personality. They all refered to him as the goof; so they decided to call him Goofy.
Disneyfan June (June isn't my real name.)
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-Walt Disney (and a man)
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Subject: RE: Easily understood ducks
> Maybe they all have Babel fish stuck in their ears.
What are Babel fish? Did I miss something while I was Disney comic deprived?
From: Klartekst
Subject: Duckburg
>
> I think Duckburg is like Toon Town in "Roger Rabbit". Definitely in the US,
> but sort of in another dimension. I know this, because I have been there.
> For an account of the trip, see
> http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2002-February/018130.html.
>
> Nils Smeby
Yeah. A lot of things don't seem to add up.
As for where Duckburg is, Duckburg should still be in the United States. They might be printed in different languages, but they still behave and think like Americans. Not to mention the fact that Duckburg looks like an American community. I may have lived in different countries, but that doesn't make me any less American. My home is the States, and the same goes for the Ducks.
From: "deanmary"
Subject: Age of the Nephews
> I was wondering what list members thoughts were on this question:
> When you read a Disney Duck story how old do you feel Huey, Dewey,
> and Louie are?
I have always thought of them as being the ages 10-12. They don't look like teens, but they don't act like 9 year olds and under.
From: "Don Rosa"
Subject: DCML Digest Issue 43
> > And if artistic license allows us to have Spartacus talk in English so
> > he can be understood by modern moviegoers: Couldn't the same artistic
> > license be the reason why Duckburg is located in North-America in
> > stories written in the U.S.? And located in Italy in stories written in
> > Italy?
>
> Your reasoning evades me, especially when you try to draw a comparison to
> Spartacus. Sparty spoke in English, yes, but did the American producer
> transpose the setting to taking place in Detroit? Why should he?
> And you use a bad example when you bring up Italy. These comics are as
> popular in Italy as anywhere in the world... in fact, Italy was creating new
> Duck comics, and Duck comics NOT based on Barks' work, before America was
> doing so. And yet in Italian stories, Duckburg is in America. Apparently
> they like it being in America. Why not?
> I'm not *insisting* that all Egmont writers should set their Duckburg
> stories in America where they originated, but there's no reason why they
> can't -- the stories would be just as good and their readers would still
> understand them and enjoy them just as much. Or they could simply avoid the
> subject, which is easy enough to write around.
> (Besides, I've been told by innumerable Euro fans that they always knew
> Duckburg was in America simply by the American-style mail boxes. You'd need
> to find yourself a European to explain that -- apparently our horizontal
> half-barrell-onna-pole shaped mail depositories are very distinctive. Same
> for our fire hydrants. In fact, several European newspapers have requested
> photos of me with my *mailbox* or the nearest fire hydrant to visually prove
> that I live in America.)
> When I did my "Lo$", I had no choice (nor would I have had any reason to
> avoid) but to set Duckburg in America as it was meant to be. And surely I
> have as much right to do that as another Egmont writer has to set Duckburg
> in Denmark or Germany (as it was not originally meant to be). That's all a
> story detail that takes place in the writer/reader's mind, just like the
> fact that my stories take place in the 1950's. That's a detail not essential
> to the story.
>
>
I remember having only a little slot for a locked box next to the gate, but I didn't realize that the mailboxes in the States were so distinctive. Even so, they still resorted to the old tricks. We once found a rotten egg in the box after Halloween. They had a lot of American holidays because so many Americans lived in Hong Kong. I forgot what the firehydrants look like. I'm not even sure we had firehydrants. I'll try to find out from one of my family members who might have a better memory.
From: JTorci3511 at aol.com
Subject: How old are HD&L?
> Joe Torcivia (...not revealing his own age to anyone!)
Ha ha. Not even if we cajoled?
From: "timo ronkainen"
Subject: Re: Goofy's Origin Part 2
>
> >From: "L. Schulte":
> >I am now thinking perhaps that the Goofy story with his origins
> >as "Dippy Dawg" was NOT in a comic book,
>
> But it was. http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/W+OS++702-02
> One scene shows studio personnel thinking of new name for Dippy.
>
> Timo
I haven't seen that, but I heard about the origins of Goofy in a book describing the history of Disney. I heard the animators begged Walt to keep Dippy Dawg because Dippy was so much fun to draw. Walt agreed on the conditions that he be given a better name and a better personality. They all refered to him as the goof; so they decided to call him Goofy.
Disneyfan June (June isn't my real name.)
"I only hope that we never lose sight of one thing-that it was all started by a mouse."
-Walt Disney (and a man)
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How old are HD&L?
Message 329 -
2003-10-22 at 01:25:00
> Over the course of the Barks stories, I feel that they aged from about 8
to
> 11. The avoidance antics of "Three Dirty Little Ducks" (WDC&S # 43) being
an
> example of "Age 8", and the complex calculations of "The Cattle King" (US
# 69)
> being an example of "Age 11".
It's hard to tell. In some story's there are act like the wer 7-8 and in
some 10-12.
For Exemple in Flash Back of "W.H.A.D.A.L.O.T.T.A.J.A.R.G.O.N" they wer
obaut seven but in present of dis story 11-12
> On DuckTales, I'd peg HD&L at about "Age 9" and Webby at "Age 7".
No, HD&L are only one Yer older thean Webby (See "Duck Tales" episode "Bubba
Big Brain Storm")
And In "Quack Pack" they are 15-16.
Your's
Maciek
to
> 11. The avoidance antics of "Three Dirty Little Ducks" (WDC&S # 43) being
an
> example of "Age 8", and the complex calculations of "The Cattle King" (US
# 69)
> being an example of "Age 11".
It's hard to tell. In some story's there are act like the wer 7-8 and in
some 10-12.
For Exemple in Flash Back of "W.H.A.D.A.L.O.T.T.A.J.A.R.G.O.N" they wer
obaut seven but in present of dis story 11-12
> On DuckTales, I'd peg HD&L at about "Age 9" and Webby at "Age 7".
No, HD&L are only one Yer older thean Webby (See "Duck Tales" episode "Bubba
Big Brain Storm")
And In "Quack Pack" they are 15-16.
Your's
Maciek
Madame Jennifer Inantaz
OT: Babel fish...
Message 330 -
2003-10-22 at 03:55:44
>Dan Shane wrote
>Maybe they all have Babel fish stuck in their ears.
>
>>Disneyfan June wrote:
>>What are Babel fish? Did I miss something while I was Disney comic
>>deprived?
It has nothing to do with Disney... :-)
It's from the book 'The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy'...there's a fish
that, if you stick in your ears, will made other languages understandable to
you. Convenient, if not gross.
>
Cord wrote:
>I don't think so. They do not even have a towel.
Yeah, but Scrooge would admire Ford Perfect's thriftiness!
See how easy things can get off topic? :-))
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>Maybe they all have Babel fish stuck in their ears.
>
>>Disneyfan June wrote:
>>What are Babel fish? Did I miss something while I was Disney comic
>>deprived?
It has nothing to do with Disney... :-)
It's from the book 'The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy'...there's a fish
that, if you stick in your ears, will made other languages understandable to
you. Convenient, if not gross.
>
Cord wrote:
>I don't think so. They do not even have a towel.
Yeah, but Scrooge would admire Ford Perfect's thriftiness!
See how easy things can get off topic? :-))
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