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Hi all!

I just read in the foreword in the huge white book "Jeg, Mikke Mus" that
Mickey's debut in "Steamboat Willie" took place on September 19th 1928. This
means that Mickey's 75th anniversary took place or started 15 days ago.
However so far I have not seen any kind of Mickey anniversarybook,
anniversarybooklet, anniversarymagazine or anything else published here in
Norway by Egmont to celebrate this anniversary. Is the situation the same in
other countries? And does anyone here know if we will see any such
anniversary stuff soon?

Sigvald

Chris Barat writes:

>> In truth, DuckTales was not the first forum to single out one
>> nephew for special treatment in a story. An early Barks ten-pager
>> [...]
>
> I was thinking specifically of ADVENTURE STORIES in this case. In the
> gold-finding machine story and the Taliaferro strips, one Nephew is
> allowed to stand out "in relief" from the others for the purposes of a
> quick gag... not surprising given the potential for humorous
> disagreements, etc. In "Sons of the Moon," Louie got to experience an
> adventure ON HIS OWN.
>
> I can't think of any other pre-"DT" ADVENTURE wherein one Nephew gets
> such a prominent "solo" role.

(I'm confining myself to Barks examples in this posting.)

In "Donald Duck and the Mummy's Ring" (Four Color 29, 1943), Huey is
trapped inside a mummy case and taken to Egypt. Donald and the other two
nephews go on a search for him.

Matthew Williams wrote:

> Anyway, I think you write off Chris Barat's assertion that
> individualizing Huey, Dewey, and Louie was first a DuckTales
> phenomenon too quickly. While I remember that the Taliaferro strips
> sometimes feature one nephew instigating mischief without the help of
> his brothers, I don't remember any pre-1987 stories or cartoons where
> it was suggested that one nephew had an aptitude or personality trait
> that the other two didn't have.

In "Ten-Star Generals" (WDC 132, 1951), one of the boys is an expert in
archery, another in canoe-building and the third in life-saving. In this
story, at least, they seem to have different aptitudes.

> While, of course, featuring the nephews by themselves happened in
> many, many pre-DuckTales stories and while one of the kids might
> sometimes take some sort of action that the other two don't, I can't
> think of a single pre-DuckTales story where it was suggested that the
> ducklings had individual MINDS.

In "Back to the Klondike" (Four Color 456, 1953), there is a scene where
the nephews confront the "mystery woman" who has been keeping Scrooge
away from his claim. While Huey and Dewey listen to her describing the
tough life she has been living, Louie breaks ranks and run off to tell
Scrooge they've captured her, much to his brothers' surprise. Obviously,
the boys' minds are *not* in tune in this situation.

> Individualizing the lads' personalities just seems like a natural idea
> that wasn't tried earlier because the studio wouldn't have approved
> before they themselves broke the rules.

Well, it's a natural idea for a one-off situation. Individualizing the
nephews doesn't really work on a permanent basis, in my opinion.

Lars

Daniel J. Neyer <jerryblake2 at juno.com> wrote:

>> Anyway I now think the reason is that he's
>> reffering to the stories he grew up with
>> some decades ago - before modern creators
>> like Don Rosa, William van Horn, etc. were
>> active.
>
> Actually, I'm a young whippersnapper (turned 19
> in August). The only reason I didn't mention
> Rosa was because I couldn't think of any stories
> of his that showed Scrooge living away from the
> Money Bin.

Oh, oh!! It seems that I have mistaken you for another nice person who
actually mailed me a while ago telling me that he didn't knew Don Rosa as
well as Barks because it was Barks' stories he grew up with some decades
ago. I am very, very sorry for any incenvenience I may have caused for you
here at DCML, lately.

I think your topic is indeed very interesting and can add that "Island at
the Edge of Time" is not the only story in where Don Rosa shows that $crooge
leaves the Money Bin during the night. This also happens in "Gyro's Beagle
Trap" (1995):
http://duckman.pettho.com/gallery/v_beagletrap.html

Thus in Don Rosa's universe $crooge has a place away from the Money Bin in
where he can stay for the night. We know that this is *not* the mansion
showed in "Christmas in Bear Mountain". Based on this I can think of a few
possible locations of such an extra sleeping quarter:
a) The downtown "bin" showed in "The Pied Piper of Duckburg" (1990).
b) The McDuck tower showed in "Insident at McDuck Tower" (1991).
c) One of his local hotels.

Sigvald

Concerning Mickey Mouse's birthday:

Oh boy, I know this one! I feel so important! Mickey's birthday is
actually November 18. At least that's what the Walt Disney Studio says NOW.
I know a lot of books published overseas or in America before the
mid-eighties say Sept. 18. Do any of the rest of you know why this is? I
know the Studio likes to engage in revisionist history from time to time!

And something else entirely.

Daniel J. Neyer's mentioning his age brings up a topic that interests me
greatly. I think I can speak for many American Disney Comics fans when I
say that I am quite jealous of our European and international brethren! I
have never visited Europe, but from what I understand comics (especially
Disney ones) are most certainly not heading the way of the dodo and carrier
pigeon in Europe! I hope I don't insult anyone by saying this, but comics
(especially Disney comics) are unfortunately a pretty fringe interest in the
States. I have never traveled to any conventions, and I have only twice in
my life met folks who knew and loved Carl Barks. I got into Disney comics
around when I was ten when Gladstone and DuckTales were at their heights.
At any rate, I've always gotten the impression that as twenty-six year old
American, I was something of a minority among Disney comic fans and that
most American fans were hooked by reading the original editions of Barks's
works. What I would like to ask (and I don't want to delve into anyone's
personal space) is if there are very many of you out there who are American
AND were hooked into the comics in the eighties or afterwards?

This is a little off-topic, but let me share it anyway! I teach freshmen
English courses at a state university and I often ask my students out of
curiosity, "How many of you have heard who Carl Barks is?" Usually about
five folks raise their hands. Then I explain that The Communist Manifesto
was written by some other guy. Sigh.

On a very positive note, I LOVE this mailing list! After a lifetime loving
Disney comics but never having had an extended conversation with another
fan, this is a hoot! I've been tickled to death by the wonderful Gemstone
comics so far, and I really hope that they're successful at bringing all new
fans into the fold.

Matthew A. Williams

Sigvald:

>>>> I just read in the foreword in the huge white book "Jeg, Mikke Mus"
that
>>> Mickey's debut in "Steamboat Willie" took place on September 19th 1928.

Darndarndarndarndarn! How could I miss it?! I've been hinking all year long
that i would ahve to do something for Mickey's 75th anniversary, and when
the time came, work made me forget about it! :( :( :(

Wait--
In "The Hand Behind the Mouse-- An intimate biography of Ub Iwerks [...]"
(Leslie Iwerks & John Kenworthy), I see (p 70):
"Steamboat Willie debuted on November 18, 1928, at the Colony Theater in New
York City."

In September, Walt was still supervising the music sessions in New York (p
69).

*sigh* I knew I still had a little time to think of at least a little
something.

Olivier

I'm one of those, as a result of DuckTales.

I also once had an astounded "CARL BARKS invented communism?!?" conversation
in early high school. :-)

-Yossi

In a message dated 10/5/2003 6:02:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se writes:
are very many of you out there who are American
AND were hooked into the comics in the eighties or afterwards?

This is a little off-topic, but let me share it anyway! I teach freshmen
English courses at a state university and I often ask my students out of
curiosity, "How many of you have heard who Carl Barks is?" Usually about
five folks raise their hands. Then I explain that The Communist Manifesto
was written by some other guy. Sigh.

Hey Sigvald,

> [A Stavanger Aftenblad article written by a friend of mine] presented some of
> the Secondary characters in the Disney's comics universes [...] These
> characters were mentioned:
> The favourites [and] the "hate" characters [...]
> My personal opinion is [that some characters on each list should be replaced
> by other characters...]

Interesting stuff, Sigvald, but I'm not entirely clear on the point of
your friend's article.
Is he attempting to speak for MOST Norwegian Disney readers when he
defines "favorite" and "hated" characters? Or is he simply writing a
personal memoir, talking about the characters he HIMSELF likes and hates?
If he's really trying to speak for MOST readers, I'm a little
disappointed? because IMHO, speaking for most readers isn't a good thing for
any single person to try to do.
For example, your friend puts Fethry and Chief O' Hara on the favorites
list, but I know many who would act differently (you yourself, for instance,
in the case of Fethry).

> My personal opinion is:
> a) Fethry Duck should be replaced by a character like Glittering Goldie,
> John D. Rockerduck, Jos? Carioca [...]

I'm a big Fethry fan, so I'd leave Fethry on my own list; but I
certainly agree with you on Jos?, who's also one of my own favorites.

> The last comment leads to a new question. Do anyone here know for sure if
> Horace Horsecollar is in love with Clarabelle Cow despite the fact that they
> are of different species (horse and cow)?

In film cartoons and Gottfredson stories, Horace and Clarabelle were
shown as a romantic couple throughout the 1930s. In 1932, the Mickey
newspaper strip had Horace and Clarabelle engaged and openly planning to be
married, though the marriage never actually took place (characters just
stopped talking about it).
More recently, Horace and Clarabelle don't date "exclusively": since the
1940s, Clarabelle has often romantically chased other men (at times, even
Goofy) in various creators' stories. But Clarabelle and Horace still tend to
date each other often, too.
In a recent Egmont story by Byron Erickson, Horace and Clarabelle
temporarily broke up after a bad argument. Clarabelle then invited Goofy to
lunch, just to make Horace jealous. Today's Egmont Clarabelle isn't really
in love with Goofy, and Horace probably knows that-- but Horace is also
insecure, egotistical and touchy, so he got jealous anyway (as Clarabelle
surely knew he would do!).
Goofy, who considers himself friends with everyone, appeared not to
really understand what was going on.

David

>
>>You men chareckter's theat don't aperd to often?
>>Fethry isn't a chareckter like dis. I now Carl Barks never use him and Don
>>Rosa use him only in his familly tree but exept theat Fethry aperd In
>>hundret's of storys.
>
>Didn't Barks use him in a one-page story?

I do believe that was Ludwig Von Drake. Someone whom I'd love to see used
again in the future...

I kinda miss the Ludwig Von Droke WDCS stories Disney did at one point. ^_^

Jonathan H. Gray
The Dubba Dubba WB!!!
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