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I have the following notes about the German "Schatztruhe" stories (from
the Database):

GA = Abenteuer aus Onkel Dagoberts Schatztruhe
(Adventures from Uncle Scrooge's Treasure Chest)

This was a special album series in a lot of European languages:
Danish, German, English, Finnish, Norwegian, Portuguese, Swedish,
Spanish.
In Holland, the stories were reprinted in the "Dubbel Album" series.

The stories were written by Adolf Kabatek, and drawn by two
South-European
studio artists. The 6th story has a D-code, indicating it was
edited by Egmont in Denmark.

Album 7 has a text on the inside cover stating the "original title"
in Spanish. So probably the newer stories were not written by Kabatek.

The 8th album, set in Venice, was at least published in Sweden (as
reported by Stefan Dios on Feb 24, 1998). Stefan reports on Apr 18,
1998:

<<I recently discovered two more "forgotten" albums in this series. #9,
called
"Queen of Saba" and set in Northern Africa, appeared in Sweden in 1992.
I
could only glance quickly at #10 and didn't get all the details, but it
is
obviously set in Central Europe (Munich and Basle).

No codes are visible in any of these stories, as is also the case in
most of
the others. They are both standard album length (44 pages?), and if I
had to
venture a guess, I'd say that the artist is the same one who did ## 6
through 8.>>

(Additional data from Alberto Becattini:)
The artist is actually Miquel Pujol for the first 5 stories, and someone
called Urios for the later ones.
Both artists worked for either the Bargada studio or the Comicup studio.
Hence the confusion about the artists' names.

--Harry.
Harry Fluks, Leidschendam, The Netherlands
http://home.wxs.nl/~fluks4
http://members.xoom.com/bolderbast

DON ROSA --
>> "please site the second reference in a Barks story (or
>> any pre '87 story) to the Little Booneheads. I don't
>> believe there was one."
Okay, ya got me. I just don't have it in me to go
through all of Barks, looking for a second reference to
the Little Booneheads, even tho I think it exists.
But I'm very confused by the term "pre '87". Is
this a typo? Surely, this doesn't refer to the year 1987,
tho I can't think what else it could mean, because
anybody who knows Barks as well as you do is certainly
aware that the first reference to the Little Booneheads
(or "Boneheads", as the Woodchucks mistakenly called
them) was in the second Woodchuck story, "Ten-Star
Generals", which appeared in WDC&S #132, September, 1951.
Good call on the reference to the earlier Glomgold
story. A clear example of continuity, which the rest of
us failed to mention.

CLAUDIA REGE CAMBRIN --
>> " the Gutenberg Bible was not printed on paper but on
>> vellum (which, I think, has a better resistance than
>> paper), so we cannot really use it as a reference for
>> the "life expectancy" of our loved comics."
We wouldn't be able to even if it were on paper,
because the paper they used back then was better.
(Advances in paper technology have concentrated more on
price and abundance than quality.)

ANDERS CHRISTIAN --
>> "I think you should be proud of that D., I would be!
>> But what DOES it stand for"
Ahem. None of your #$%^% business!
(Your middle initial wouldn't happen to be A,
would it? That would give you a chance to do the same
routine in Danish.)
Anyway, there's no apparent story code on the
first "Booneheads" reference, but as I just said, you can
find it in WDC&S #132, and it is very definitely a
Barksian "fact".

Quack, Don

VIDAR (about Phantom Blot):

>We call him "Spokelseskladden" in Norway. I've never seen
>"Sorte Slyngel" used in Norway.

Hmm... so what gives? Are both "Sorte Slyngel" and "Sorte Klat" Danish names
for the same character, then, like Soeren suggests? They are certainly not
Swedish.

ANDERS CHRISTIAN (about "Pool Sharks"):

> All right... I know those sharks
>are the people who exploit Donald's Swimming Pool:-)

And it's a pun, too, since "pool" is a type of billiards game; and some good
players (the kind who are trying to win money by pretending to be worse than
they actually are) are commonly called "hustlers" or... you guessed it. Pool
sharks.

BROR (about Beagle Boys):

> In Sweden they are called Bjoernligan (or the "Bear gang"). But since
>they
>are dogs, recent Swedish translators (Stefan, can we blame you? :-) have
>called
>the first Beagle-grandpa "Bjoern" as his surname and then continued to
>name the
>whole gang after grandpa, as to explain the name. "Bjoern" (literally
>"bear") is
>a fairly common swedish surname. (Like Bjoern Borg for example.)

I can hardly duck this one... Yes, that's my doing. I found out that
Blackheart Beagle didn't have a Swedish name, so when he showed up in Rosa's
"Life of $crooge", I came up with the idea of calling him Bjorn. Which, just
like you say, could explain, albeit feebly, why a bunch of dogs would go
about calling themselves "The Bear Gang". (There is a common trick question
in Sweden: "What kind of animals are Bjornligan... the answer being, of
course, not "bears", like most Swedes would guess, but (beagle) dogs.) So
Swedish readers will have to accept that a crooked guy with a Swedish name
walked around Louisville, Kentucky, in the late 1800's. Just part of the
translation worries we already have discussed. And if someone challenges me
on that point, I'll say it would be slightly more likely that he was a Swede
than he was a beagle dog.

Bror, are you saying that other translators have used that name? When and
where would that be? And, I'm sure you mean "first name"... even if "Bjorn"
sometimes is used as a surname (=last name) as well...

In case someone wonders why we can't make up our minds between "Bjorn" and
"Bjoern", it's because the Swedish letter looking like the German "umlaut"
("o" with the dots) sometimes is rendered internationally as "oe" in order
to differ from the regular "o" (which in Swedish is a different letter
altogether). So I could opt to write my last name "Dioes", but I guess I
somehow feel that "Dios" looks more divine...

About Uncle Scrooge's Treasure Chest:

These albums were discussed on this list earlier this year (which,
obviously, new members can't know). As I recall, we learned that there are
around 10 of them or more, some of which have been published only in a few
countries, or maybe not at all; and that the first four or five were written
by Adolf Kabatek (a German editor) and drawn by Spaniard Miquel Pujol,
possibly with some help from Francisco Bargada. Members with more knowledge
(or better memory) may correct me at any time.

Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden

I come out from my hideout to say:

FRANCOIS wrote:
>I wonder wether any information about the name of the artist of the two
>last panels is known. Does someone know who did the art?

It's Carl Von Buettner. He also made many well-known covers, like the one for DD
Finds Pirate Gold!

I'm getting this info from a Luca Boschi's article on Zio Paperone #100, so I
think he knows much more about him than me. (he sure does:-)

BTW, I've been lurking quite a while now, and I'll keep doing so at least until
I'm thru in my "mission" of reading all your old archives. They're really
fascinating. And one really takes a long, long time to read them. :-P

Just to let you know, my name is Francesco, I'm 23 and live in Italy; I've been
reading Disney comics since I was 3 and never stopped.

Now back to lurking...

Fra

HARRY

>> on Jack Bradbury [..]
>> there's a couple of DD stories you may like to check, with more
>> room for a bit of plot
>
>I must admit that I have not read ANY of the stories you mention! (Or at
>least I don't remember reading them...)
>To me, the art of Jack Bradbury reminds me of the many longer Mickey
>stories I don't like. I can't tell why, but there's something in his art
>that I don't like either.

Oh, well. One cannot argue with personal tastes.
But it seems that Luca Boschi and myself are the only Bradbury fans left
in the world... perhaps that's the reason Comic Art discontinued the
Bradbury series of volumes... :-)

DON M.

> Sorry to hear you're "cured" of collecting
> Claypool's "Elvira" series. I think it's goofy and fun,
> personally.

Me too! I'm actually cured against my own will, since I can't find
those comics easily in Italy (can't find them at all, really).
I'll surely be hunting for back issues when I'm back in London.

BTW, since we're already *slightly* off-topic, wasn't a new Elvira
movie supposed to come out in the late 90s ?
Well, it is the late 90s... :-)

>In fact, I've even been thinking of sending
> editor David Siedman (who used to work for Disney Comics,
> by the way, editing their Roger Rabbit book among others)
> a couple of springboards.

Er... sorry, I'm missing something, here... what kind of springboards,
and what for ?

>>> "except for the tossing and letting them hit me on the
>>> head... too many hardbacks and thick pocket books... "

> Then you're not doing it right. Think Scrooge
> balks at doing it with those hard coins and thick, heavy
> wads of thousand-dollar bills?

He's got practice and, probably, callosities on his head.
My head is soft as a ripe tomato :-)

> By the way, another thing I like to do with my
> comics is run barefoot through them and feel the
> Four-Color oneshots crinkle between my toes.

I can hear the cries of despair of collectors at the sole thought... :-)

FRANCOIS

>HALSTEN wrote:
>
>>Yes, this is the same story. At the end of the story Benzene is
>>sentenced to jail whereas Donald is found innocent.
>
>I wonder wether any information about the name of the artist of the two
>last panels is known. Does someone know who did the art?

Most likely it was Carl Buettner, or Tom McKimson, according to
Barks himself.

Cheers

Eta Beta
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HARRY
Some days ago you mentioned this page:
http://www.carlsen.dk/comics/98feb_4.htm
today I looked at it.
The Fanzine is recommended by Frank
Madsen a Danish comic artist
Sorry to mention the thre first things here,
as they aren't about Disney Comics.
Maardon Smet, a comic artist: Mumi Trolls?!
Cartoons: Don Bluth: "Travel to America"
and interview with Tintin translator.
Well, seems it isn't all Barks anymore...
But the two last articles are about the
cooperation between Daan Jippes (from
Holland, do you know him Harry? If yes,
tell him his stories are great, but I haven't
seen "Officer for a day" yet, looking forward to it)
The last article is a report on Barks' 95-year-Birthday.
Sadly the page doesn't say how to get this fanzine.
Can anyone help Harry (and other interested persons)

Hello,

Just my 2 cents on the "workers paradise":
What more I like in having "old" comics, is that in them it is
possible to find not just good stories - that are also available in
cheap, more recent reprints - but they are even very useful for
learning something more about the recent past of a country.
In the Italian Topolino from the 60ties or the 70ties there are also
interesting articles about music, cinema, TV, etc. All these things
make an old issue interesting, and if the stories have some references
to the "real world" it's even better! This, IMO, is the reason to
justify the workers paradise in 1959 and to "appreciate" the "Scrooge
McDuck industries" today.
But...
When I was a child, like almost all of you, I learned to read on
Disney Comics (and Disney books, too) and when I found something that
was too hard to understand for a child, I was used to ask for
explanations to my parents, and so to have the chance to learn
something more... I remember of a story where Gyro was presenting his
last invention and I was very disappointed by the fact that he
wouldn't have made any other gadget (having "the lastinvention" in
Italian the same meaning of "the newest invention"), when I was told
about the real meaning of it, I learned something new: children need
to be feed with as much informations as possible, so "the Mc Duck
industries" don't cause any question from a child, while the "workers
paradise" surely does!

Ciao,

- Paolo
http://www.confor.it:2222/disney