Keskustelujen arkisto

On the subject of Little Booneheads I have this story
to tell about (and that was the one I referred to, when
saying that Donald never actually did become a Boonehead.
AA94B45c D 7914 10 VR DD
Gode minder [app:HDL] dk: AA85-33
This is the story, and it is about Donald and HDL going to
a kind of woodchuck-mini-jamboree. The old over-grand-
master from the Little Booneheads. He does not remember
having had Donald as a Boonehead because DD never was one!
But while trying to get away from this master, Donald actually
shows some skills. And these skills could only proof that Donald
was a Boonehead (phew). The master is kinda old so he does
not remember so well. on the last panel both Donald and the
master are wearing a Boonehead-hat (Blue, with a white feather
at the back). DD wants him to agree that the Little Booneheads
were better than the Junior Woodchucks.

MARCO:
>PKNA is a monthly in Italy too (now)
>with a special extra issue each year (very good is the 1998
>special issue, all devoted to Donald choosing to become PK instead
>of the good ol' Paperinik...)

It's a very nice index you have, and I hope you'll find the time
to fill in the latest issues (the current one is only no. 20).
How about some better scans of the covers BTW; I found some on
the PK Home Page, and you can also take them directly from
www.disney.it (if that's not against the rules?)
How come your index has the publishing dates as the 1st of every
month, when the latest is from the 20.th of July?

How long is the issue 0/1 joke going to run BTW? OK, I only just
go it, but the early numbering has been confusing me a lot.

Me:
>No, I don't like [Carl Barks & Co.] very much anymore, and the
>Tintin article just hit the nail into the head...

OWEN JAMES:
>Hey! I love Tintin!

Hey! Me too! :-)
It's just that it doesn't belong in a Disney fanzine. My point was
that they apparently had some pages left after filling the rest of
the publication with interviews and oversized illustrations.
There are lots of news that more urgently need coverage in Danish!
It used to be a magazine full of information, that you'd return to
again and again for reference material - now it's a 20 minute read.
And a lot less if you're only interested in disney related stuff.

ANDERS CHR.:
>Maybe I read the wrong stories, because it's only
>in this last year that I really discovered Paul Murry's
>work, and other persons works (Floyd Gott....
>(how's the name spelled?) and Romano Scarpa)

I didn't care very much for the Mouse until a few years
ago when Gladstone published the old Gottfredson stories.
Though some of the Murry and Scarpa stories apparently were
memorable enough to cause recognition many years later, the
obnoxious Mouse from Tello Team, which dominated the Danish
weeklies in the 70-80es ruined Mickey's character for me.

Gottfredson stories are preciously few and far between in
Danish - you have to go to the "Big Books" for those.

>Well then, would any of you recommend some stories
>for me to read, to get more fond of these, and other
>great mice-artists?

You could do a lot worse than to pick up just any weekly
or monthly in Denmark now: there's practically always a
good, new 8-10 page Mickey story by Egmont's finest.

Try "Anders And Ekstra" #5 and #8 (still in the shops) for
two fine adventures by some of my current favorite creators:

"Think Sphinx" by Per (Erik?) Hedman/Cesar Ferioli and
"The Secret Of The Ice" by Stefan Petrucha/Rodrigues.

>Actually I have the impression that both Mickey and Goofy
>have many relatives, but there has not been made a family
>tree, or has there?

I for one would be curious to see a full listing of Goofy's
MANY uncles. That one would probably be longer than the
Captain Haddock vocabulary of curses!

Ole <"RoC"> Reichstein Nielsen

Rich:
I'm the one who asked... <s>
<<At this point he seems to be more of an artist's gag which occurs as a
pleasantry to the eye, rather than being promoted to full character statu=
s.
What do you think? >>

That's okay for the first few stories, but I think later he turned out as=
a
good friend of Gyro. Especially in "Man versus machine" (US 47/2) where
little Helper even had some words to say (or to think). First he was very=

sad, that Gyro send him away. Then he called for help to rescue Gyro out =
of
the desert. I would say he is a character who *has* character, too. (Well=
,
I agree with you that Scrooge's Dime und Donald's car are worth to mentio=
n
- of course - but I would never expect to find such things on a
characters-list...) The strange thing about helper - mentioned in the Bar=
ks
Library - is, that Gyros robots always (more or less) didn't work right. =
So
you may ask, wether Gyro invented him or not... hm... (maybe found him on=

the doorstep on day?)

Anders:
You asked about Gyros hammer and thinking-hat. At the moment, I'm going
trough my "Micky-Maus" weeklys, sorting, counting and so on.... After I
while reading, I always manage to mix them totaly up . <sigh> I think, I
remember most if these stories are from the 70's. I have almost all issue=

from 1970 to now. As far as I go forward in sorting each year, I'll have =
a
look. But I'm afraid there a very, very few story-codes given :-( Well,=

we will see. To be continued.... <s>

Katie:
I finally found your "Scrogettes" on the web some days ago. Perhaps you
changed that meanwhile, but there were broken links to some pictures. I
guess, in one case this was the intention, but it happend a few times whe=
re
I think it was *not* wanted. There is one lady shown (on the first pictur=
e
among the others) holding flowers in her hand. I found two more stories,
calling her one time as "Goldie" and another time "Rosi". There is a litt=
le
differ in the glasses and the hair but seems to be the same lady.
Story-Codes:
D4953 and D6708

Don Rosa:
Thank you for answering my question about "On stolen time". I think, the=

translation is okay. I just wondered, wether the water would be deep enau=
gh
to slow down the Ducks. Now I guess, it was not... :-) By the way: as I=

re-read the story once more, I discovered for the very first time -
*SPOILER AHEAD* - that it is very nice time-clock <s> *END OF SPOILER* =

It's fun finding more an more details every time you read a story! (Perha=
ps
this one was so clear to see, I never expected it.) =

For sure, someone mentioned that already, but I'm still a greenhorn to th=
e
list. Anders wrote about the "D.u.c.k-Hunt"-pages and I found a picture
there, taken from "The crocodile collector" with a reference to Barks'
"Super-Snooper". The bad thing about the german translation is, that they=

removed this from the nephews comic-bools. But it always makes me laugh,
when I read there: "Walt Disney's Don Rosa". On the other hand (after th=
e
discussions about Disney, copyright and so on), what do you think about
being a "Walt Disney's"...? <big grin>

The sign of the triple Distelfink
The german translation has the "yes, he'd payed"-gag into it! They change=
d
all Gladstones "Oh, shut up!" to "Oh, be quied!". "What are the odds of
this?" differs a bit from time to time. After I learned from the
mailing-list how it was expected to be, I realized the running gag. (But =
it
wasn't clear to me before.) At all, I'm almost always happy with the
translations. (But I also buy the english versions whereever I find them,=

just to compare what I might have missed... ) =

- Claudio

Hi all-

My website recently celebrated it's 1 year anniversary so, to celebrate, I
thought I give y'all a gift :-)

Anyone who might be interested I've temporarily uploaded a picture I drew of
Duckburg's most famous landmark, dear old Uncle $crooge's Money Bin! It is
primarily based on the series "DuckTales", so if you are offended by it's
having a "dome" up top, you might not like it. I've wanted to draw the Bin
for some time, but I noticed that throughout my collection of comics it is
rarely the same from one tale to the next. Even in the series, DuckTales,
it varies from scene to scene (even within the same episode!). So I took
some of, what I felt were the most pleasing elements, and made an
amalgamation.

Anyhow, it is a GIF image at 800x600 pixels. I find it makes a nice
desktop picture.

If interested, you can find it at:

http://www.jps.net/xephyr/SCANS/MoneyBin.gif

I'll leave it up for a few days.

Take care, and thanks for being such great folks!

DONALD MARKSTEIN:
> This question was prompted by Rich Bellacera's contribution to #195,
> but it's actually addressed to everyone who has ever mentioned Gyro
> Gearloose's "Little Helper".
<details ommitted for space>
> Personally, I go along with Barks. I refer to the character simply as
> "Helper", because as far as I can see, strictly from primary sources,
> that's all the name he has.

I'm not sure if I follow your reasoning...it almost sounds as if your
offended by anyone using the term "Little Helper" rather than just
"Helper". I know that for the HooZoo, I'm pretty much following
current American tradition which seems to call him (it?) by the term
(reference?) "Little Helper." Personally, I don't see a big problem,
but perhaps I'm missing something in your dialogue. To me it's pretty
much the same as how some characters have gone through some very
distinct appearance modifications (occassionally even name changes).
For instance, modern day Mickey and Donald look only somewhat similar
to their original appearances from the late 20s and early 30s. In the
case with some character names, for instance, the Phantom Blot, was
originally named "The Blot" by his creator, Floyd Gottfredson, but
everyone, even the official archives at Disney now call him "The
Phantom Blot." The complete explanation for this is detailed elsewhere,
but I think it illustrates how a modifier can be added to a character's
name, by someone, even someone other than the creator, and still become
"official."

I think it's just that in many cases, the original creators may have
created a concept which worked well and became useful to others afterward
who managed to "flesh out" the characters, even stablizing or defining
attributes which eventually became "cannon" of sorts. Heck, when Barks
first created our beloved $crooge, he was a mean and heartless old
curmudgeon... and Barks later softened the old codger into a character
we can better relate to. Of course in this case, it was Barks, himself,
who evloved the character, but I digress....

I'm not trying to dispute your premise for calling the little guy by
the name "Helper", but I'm just attempting, in my limited way, to give
probable reason for the current acceptance of the title "*Little* Helper."
By the way, I've also seen his name as "Li'l Bulb" [I think that may
have been a moniker given to him for "DuckTales", but I forget where I
actually saw that at the moment.] The "Li'l Bulb" name ties in quite
well with the Italian name of "Edi" (btw, thanks for the insight Paolo).

ETA BETA:
> However, for characters, *any* Disney character, you should really
> check out Rich's "HooZoo" page, at :
>
> http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/dzone/hoozoo/hzlist.html

Thank's for the *plug* :-) Of course, I have so much new data to upload,
and I REALLY appreciate ALL the help I've received, especially wrt scans,
information and corrections... The nice compliments have helped too. :-)

Speaking of the HooZoo...

After uploading the Money Bin image I realized some folks might want an
actual background (i.e., a "Sky"), so I've uploaded an alternate version:

http://www.jps.net/xephyr/SCANS/MonyBin2.gif

Personally, as a Desktop picture, I like the clean *white* background
for all my icons.

CLAUDIO ECKERT:

> Rich:
> I'm the one who asked... <s>

I appologize for the omission.

Thank you for the details concerning Gyro's Helper. I will try to add them
to his profile soon... If anyone has anymore interesting details about
him or any other character please feel free to share them with the List
or e-mail me directly. Thanks.

> The strange thing about helper - mentioned in the Barks Library - is,
> that Gyros robots always (more or less) didn't work right. So you may
> ask, wether Gyro invented him or not... hm... (maybe found him on the
> doorstep on day?)

This is indeed an interesting perspective... perhaps a bit of irony?
Does anyone know of a specific tale inwhich Gyro (or someone else)
actually states that "Little Helper" was an invention of Gyros. I
guess I always just accepted that he was and never gave it much thought.

> From: Claudio Eckert <(Email removed)>
> Katie:
> I finally found your "Scrogettes" on the web some days ago. Perhaps you
> changed that meanwhile, but there were broken links to some pictures. I
> guess, in one case this was the intention, but it happend a few times whe=
> re I think it was *not* wanted. There is one lady shown (on the first pictur=
> e among the others) holding flowers in her hand. I found two more stories,
> calling her one time as "Goldie" and another time "Rosi". There is a litt=
> le differ in the glasses and the hair but seems to be the same lady.

Forgive me for not understanding your English, but what exactly do you mean about Goldie,
Rosie and Tilly being the same character? They're clearly different. (Although I admit
Goldie and Tilly have a lot in common. Profession, in Canada, etc.)As for the broken picture
links, I'll go check that out, but I hadn't noticed. Hmm...

> Story-Codes: D4953 and D6708

I get the same error message about a x/perl or something when I try to use the DC Database.
And I'm generally quite ignorant about story codes anyway. But I assume the stories you mean
are "The Flowers" and "I.O.U...But who?" Correct me if I'm wrong.

Thanks a lot for the input! It's nice to know I have visitors!! :-)

Katie Q

The issue of religion in comic books and relating factors-reaching back to the Notre Duck
discussions.

It is easily seen that for any likenesses that the story Phantom of Notre Duck portrayed
as being a cathedral/museum/church it was not meant in anyway as being fecicious or pointed.
Also for the sake of argument that Barks' intended the building to be "religous" his editors
were far more leniant than today's counter-parts because of the encroachment of politically
correctness and liable suits. I find nothing offensive about the depiction and I believe that
the setting combined with the plot quite wholesome and having a good moral.

A hello to all those out there that are still under 21.

Another hello to all those who are 21 and above.

Over the years it seems to me that Mickey has aged. He started out as an annoying pesky teen.
Grew to adulthood and during the fifties became middle-aged. As the years wore on Mickey
began wearing more clothes and began rounding out. I suppose the biggest problem Mickey faced
was the transition from the stick-figure two-dimensional animation to the full color full
perspective of the following days. Not only was this a problem, but I also believe that the
standardizing of how Mickey had to look also contributed to a rigid washed-out character. All
in all Mickey became too human.

Last time we discussed the number of Beagle Boys, I wondered if anyone had
ever made a list of all the different Beagle Boy numbers, which would give an
indication of how many Beagle Boys there are. Today I leafed through my copy
of the B&W CBL, and here is the list of numbers that I ended up with:

176-000
176-001
176-032
176-040
176-070
176-071
176-080
176-111
176-117
176-160
176-167
176-176
176-300
176-301
176-321
176-330
176-331
176-360
176-370
176-602
176-606
176-616
176-617
176-666
176-671
176-676
176-702
176-716
176-730
176-761
176-824
176-825
176-830
176-831
176-836
176-837
176-838
176-840
176-860
186-802

There are no less than 40 different Beagle Boys! As there were many
panels where Barks didn't draw or only partially drew the numbers,
there could be even more. This list only takes into account Barks'
drawings, so any numbers mentioned in the dialogue, e.g., "B.B. 79"
from "The Menehune Mystery", are not included in the list.

The way I see it, there are two alternatives:

Either there are 1001 Beagles [176-000 to 176-999, plus Grandpa Beagle
(186-802)], which is what the above list seems to suggest, or there are
7 Beagles (Grandpa plus 176-167, 176-176, 176-617, 176-671, 176-716, and
176-761), as Barks only used these six numbers in most of his stories. In
the second alternative, all other numbers should be ignored as something
that Barks discarded while developing his characters.

For the curious and those who want to verify my data, here's a list of
where I first encountered each of the above Beagle Boys:

176-824, 176-825, 176-831, 176-830, 176-838, 176-840, 176-836, and 176-837
in "Only A Poor Old Man", FC 386.

176-040, 176-071, 176-702, 176-032, 176-730, 176-666, and 176-606 in "The
Water Tank Tryout", FC 495.

176-080, 176-860, 176-070, 176-321, 176-370, 176-300, 176-167, 176-761,
176-330, 176-617, 176-117, 176-716, and 176-160 in "The Menehune Mystery",
US 4.

176-301, 176-360, 176-111, 176-602, 176-671, 176-001, 176-331, 176-616, and
176-176 in "The Seven Cities of Cibola", US 7.

176-000 and 186-802 in "The Money Well", US 21.

176-676 in "Mighty But Miserable", FC 1184.

Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
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