COMICS TO CD-ROM FORMAT
To those who wish to create a CD of all the Disney titles I have several
suggestions. The first is how about copywrite considerations? I know if
I personally were to scan in all of my comics onto my computer that
Disney wouldn't know or care, but if I began giving a copy to everyone,
what then? Now for the true suggestions, has anyone heard of DVD? By
next year DVD formats should be able to hold up to 19 gigs of info. This
makes it possible to scan the full comic cover to cover with full page
and strip format in "real color" and fit a complete characters
appearances on one disc. The scanner I have, the writable DVD-ROM I do
not. It is also worthwhile to consider using a special browser suitable
for viewing the comic.
DIPPY DAWG
I enjoy Dippy far more than Goofy. Does anyone have a "list" of
comics that show all of his appearances? Why did they change his name to
Goofy?
THE SEVEN CITIES OF CIBOLA
I have often noticed the face of the welfare man that kicks the
Beagle Boys in the Uncle Scrooge story "The Seven Cities of Cibola". His
face seems out of place as it is very human. Was Barks trying to depict
someone here, and if he was who?
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Jeff Bingham
Cd-roms, Dippy Dawg, and The Seven Cities of Cibola
Message 301 -
1998-08-17 at 08:01:54
Halsten Aastebøl
Religion in Duckburg
Message 302 -
1998-08-17 at 09:21:34
VIDAR SVENDSEN
>
>DUCKS IN CHURCH, REFERENCES TO THE BIBLE:
>
>18.9.39 DD is in church (Taliaferro)
>In WDC152 there's a reference to the story 'bout Jonah
>In US 18-01 (Land of the Pigmy Indians) DD refers to Jonah
>
You seem to have forgotten the story called "Jonah Gyro", the last Gyro
story by Barks. (Printed in US 48)
Halsten
>
>DUCKS IN CHURCH, REFERENCES TO THE BIBLE:
>
>18.9.39 DD is in church (Taliaferro)
>In WDC152 there's a reference to the story 'bout Jonah
>In US 18-01 (Land of the Pigmy Indians) DD refers to Jonah
>
You seem to have forgotten the story called "Jonah Gyro", the last Gyro
story by Barks. (Printed in US 48)
Halsten
Bror Hellman
Digest #187:
Message 303 -
1998-08-17 at 09:59:00
> Why do I see people say that Gyro is a chicken?
Just lazy of me.. I read somewhere that this was so...
I didn't think anything about it.
> Of course, I know he's a human being drawn, for unknown and
unimportant reasons,
> to resemble a bird. But not a chicken. That's not a chicken beak...
chickens have pointy beaks
> for pecking -- it's a hookbill, such as a parrot has for nut-cracking.
But he's white. So he's
> obviously supposed to be a cockatoo. (And that's why I have a cockatoo
named Gyro.)
Are you sure he isn't a Bald Eagle? ;-)
That could ALSO explain a wig... :-)
Steamboat Willie
Just lazy of me.. I read somewhere that this was so...
I didn't think anything about it.
> Of course, I know he's a human being drawn, for unknown and
unimportant reasons,
> to resemble a bird. But not a chicken. That's not a chicken beak...
chickens have pointy beaks
> for pecking -- it's a hookbill, such as a parrot has for nut-cracking.
But he's white. So he's
> obviously supposed to be a cockatoo. (And that's why I have a cockatoo
named Gyro.)
Are you sure he isn't a Bald Eagle? ;-)
That could ALSO explain a wig... :-)
Steamboat Willie
Halsten Aastebøl
Which story is your favorite
Message 304 -
1998-08-17 at 10:48:03
At 17:07 15.08.98 +0200, Anders Chr. Siveb=E6k wrote:
>Hello all
>
>Which Disney-comics-story is your favorite?
>I would like to ask you all this question new,=20
>old, young and elder members among eachother.=20
>Please tell why it is exactly that one.
>(I'll have to find out about the question myself, too!
>
Wow! This is a tough one!
Nick Kosarin:
>My favorite story is 'The Secret of Atlantis'.
Certainly a good choice. But there are so many good choices to make here!
"Lost in The Andes" is often mentioned as one of the best, and voted the
best among Norwegian readers some 20 years ago. Certainly a good choice too!
Barks himself, when asked the question, mention a few stories that he
regards as his best, including "Lost in the Andes", "Island in The Sky" and
some others (Can't remember).
My choice? Well maybe it just might be "Donald's Big Imagination" from WDC
199. Why? Because it's such a brilliant visualization of astronomical
dimensions, such a masterpiece of fiction! And actually, the story is not
funny. There is not a single laugh to be had (well, there is the gag about
chicken pox at the end of the story), but that just shows the strength in
Barks' duck stories. They don't have to be funny, because they are so
fascinating.
Halsten
>Hello all
>
>Which Disney-comics-story is your favorite?
>I would like to ask you all this question new,=20
>old, young and elder members among eachother.=20
>Please tell why it is exactly that one.
>(I'll have to find out about the question myself, too!
>
Wow! This is a tough one!
Nick Kosarin:
>My favorite story is 'The Secret of Atlantis'.
Certainly a good choice. But there are so many good choices to make here!
"Lost in The Andes" is often mentioned as one of the best, and voted the
best among Norwegian readers some 20 years ago. Certainly a good choice too!
Barks himself, when asked the question, mention a few stories that he
regards as his best, including "Lost in the Andes", "Island in The Sky" and
some others (Can't remember).
My choice? Well maybe it just might be "Donald's Big Imagination" from WDC
199. Why? Because it's such a brilliant visualization of astronomical
dimensions, such a masterpiece of fiction! And actually, the story is not
funny. There is not a single laugh to be had (well, there is the gag about
chicken pox at the end of the story), but that just shows the strength in
Barks' duck stories. They don't have to be funny, because they are so
fascinating.
Halsten
Halsten Aastebøl
Unpublished/lost Barks works
Message 305 -
1998-08-17 at 10:55:55
Daniel van Eijmeren wrote, about MYTHTIC MYSTERY:
>
>
>What I'd like to know is if people really have *enjoyed* this story
>without knowing that two pages of material were cut away by the editor
>because of ads. I never did. The ducks are blown to the planet because
>of a hammer, but then there's suddenly a reversal hammer, the end.
>
I knew about the cuttings when I first read the story, and it has always
made it difficult to appreciate what's left.
Daniel van Eijmeren again:
>For my webpage I've tried to reconstruct how the story might have been
>originally, leaving gaps for cut art. I think that Hercules explains a
>little more about the stones on Valhalla, but this belonged to a half
>page of art which has been cut. From that half page, Scrooge holding
>the gold was cut out and placed right after (the start of) Hercules
>explanation. Proof for this seems to be wider border in between these
>panels.
>
Could this story be restored by another artist? After all, there are quite
a few clues to what is missing, especially the half page showing the
crowded streets of Duckburg with Thor's chariot above. What about that?
Halsten
>
>
>What I'd like to know is if people really have *enjoyed* this story
>without knowing that two pages of material were cut away by the editor
>because of ads. I never did. The ducks are blown to the planet because
>of a hammer, but then there's suddenly a reversal hammer, the end.
>
I knew about the cuttings when I first read the story, and it has always
made it difficult to appreciate what's left.
Daniel van Eijmeren again:
>For my webpage I've tried to reconstruct how the story might have been
>originally, leaving gaps for cut art. I think that Hercules explains a
>little more about the stones on Valhalla, but this belonged to a half
>page of art which has been cut. From that half page, Scrooge holding
>the gold was cut out and placed right after (the start of) Hercules
>explanation. Proof for this seems to be wider border in between these
>panels.
>
Could this story be restored by another artist? After all, there are quite
a few clues to what is missing, especially the half page showing the
crowded streets of Duckburg with Thor's chariot above. What about that?
Halsten
Halsten Aastebøl
The Seven Cities of Cibola
Message 306 -
1998-08-17 at 11:01:32
At 23:01 16.08.98 -0600, Jeff Bingham wrote:
>
>THE SEVEN CITIES OF CIBOLA
> I have often noticed the face of the welfare man that kicks the
>Beagle Boys in the Uncle Scrooge story "The Seven Cities of Cibola". His
>face seems out of place as it is very human. Was Barks trying to depict
>someone here, and if he was who?
>
Yes, Barks was depicting a friend although I can't remember his name. The
information can be found in the book "The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck"
and I guess also in the Carl Barks Library in Color.
Halsten
>
>THE SEVEN CITIES OF CIBOLA
> I have often noticed the face of the welfare man that kicks the
>Beagle Boys in the Uncle Scrooge story "The Seven Cities of Cibola". His
>face seems out of place as it is very human. Was Barks trying to depict
>someone here, and if he was who?
>
Yes, Barks was depicting a friend although I can't remember his name. The
information can be found in the book "The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck"
and I guess also in the Carl Barks Library in Color.
Halsten
Dr. Archontis Pantsios
"BARKS WAS HERE"
Message 307 -
1998-08-17 at 12:51:11
KRITON:
>I was just re-reading "Return to Xanadu", and was surprised to see a scene
>where HD&L find a number of books that were thought to have been lost
>since the burning of the Library of Alexandria. Browsing through these
>books, one of the nephews finds a piece of information that *wasn't* in
>the Junior Woodchucks Manual and Reservoir of Inexhaustible Knowledge,
>which would imply that everything else that was written in those books
>*was* contained in the manual! This agrees with the manual being a
>distillation of all the knowledge contained in the books of the library
>of Alexandria, as was described in "Guardians of the Lost Library"!
And did you notice that in that same book that HD&L are reading there's a
"BARKS WAS HERE" note written in? (Take out a magnifying glass first!--I
too, had no idea about the "secret" dedication before reading it recently in
a "ZIO PAPERONE" issue). A tribute to Barks by Rosa most likely, or perhaps
THAT'S the piece of information that wasn't in the JW Guidebook! :-) In
other words, the question seemingly left unanswered may be hidden right
there, in front of our eyes as an in-joke...
Cheers,
Archontis
>I was just re-reading "Return to Xanadu", and was surprised to see a scene
>where HD&L find a number of books that were thought to have been lost
>since the burning of the Library of Alexandria. Browsing through these
>books, one of the nephews finds a piece of information that *wasn't* in
>the Junior Woodchucks Manual and Reservoir of Inexhaustible Knowledge,
>which would imply that everything else that was written in those books
>*was* contained in the manual! This agrees with the manual being a
>distillation of all the knowledge contained in the books of the library
>of Alexandria, as was described in "Guardians of the Lost Library"!
And did you notice that in that same book that HD&L are reading there's a
"BARKS WAS HERE" note written in? (Take out a magnifying glass first!--I
too, had no idea about the "secret" dedication before reading it recently in
a "ZIO PAPERONE" issue). A tribute to Barks by Rosa most likely, or perhaps
THAT'S the piece of information that wasn't in the JW Guidebook! :-) In
other words, the question seemingly left unanswered may be hidden right
there, in front of our eyes as an in-joke...
Cheers,
Archontis
Birte & Kresten Scheel
Disney comics Digest V98 #199 - pig villain
Message 308 -
1998-08-17 at 12:54:32
Hi Daniel
You wrote:
>BIRTE SCHEEL, 14 July 1998:
>
>> Thanks to Anders Christian for the Pig villain index!
>> Isn't "The Milkman" WDC '57 a great story?
>> This is my favorite Pig villain story!
>
>This story was rejected by the editor because Donald was too mean
>to the villian, but recently I wondered if another thing in >story-line
was also a reason: Donald is not punished for his >agression at all,
even quite the contrary because he is even >*rewarded* for it.
But why should Donald be punished? He tries to do his job as a milkman
the best he can and this pig villain does everything to trouble him in
his daily work. I think pig villain gets what he deserves!!
Reg.
Birte Scheel
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You wrote:
>BIRTE SCHEEL, 14 July 1998:
>
>> Thanks to Anders Christian for the Pig villain index!
>> Isn't "The Milkman" WDC '57 a great story?
>> This is my favorite Pig villain story!
>
>This story was rejected by the editor because Donald was too mean
>to the villian, but recently I wondered if another thing in >story-line
was also a reason: Donald is not punished for his >agression at all,
even quite the contrary because he is even >*rewarded* for it.
But why should Donald be punished? He tries to do his job as a milkman
the best he can and this pig villain does everything to trouble him in
his daily work. I think pig villain gets what he deserves!!
Reg.
Birte Scheel
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Vidar Svendsen
Religion in Duckburg
Message 309 -
1998-08-17 at 19:51:33
HALSTEN:
>>DUCKS IN CHURCH, REFERENCES TO THE BIBLE:
>You seem to have forgotten the story called "Jonah Gyro", the last Gyro
>story by Barks. (Printed in US 48)
Oh, yes! I know why I've forgotten it - I simply don't have it :-(
There are other stories I've forgotten. I've also including
stories by Don Rosa.
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Vidar Svendsen http://home.sol.no/~vidasven
And he said all those numbers
made him numb,
which (he thinks) is why
they're called numbers
>>DUCKS IN CHURCH, REFERENCES TO THE BIBLE:
>You seem to have forgotten the story called "Jonah Gyro", the last Gyro
>story by Barks. (Printed in US 48)
Oh, yes! I know why I've forgotten it - I simply don't have it :-(
There are other stories I've forgotten. I've also including
stories by Don Rosa.
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Vidar Svendsen http://home.sol.no/~vidasven
And he said all those numbers
made him numb,
which (he thinks) is why
they're called numbers
Bhc
Disney comics Digest V98 #198
Message 310 -
1998-08-17 at 20:33:17
TO ALL:
I AM THE GLADSTONE WEBMASTER!
Sorry for the "flame" approach, but the above seems to be something I've
somehow managed to keep a deep, dark secret from everyone here. So, to be
as clear as I can, if there's anything concerning the Gladstone web site
and/or Gladstone's e-mail addresses that seems weird, buggy, or outright
non-functional, drop me an e-mail or, if the e-mail is the problem, let me
know right here.
I am especially interested right now in finding out what problems, if any,
anyone is having with any of our e-mail addresses. Most particularly, is
anyone having any trouble with the mail-to links called "Contact Us" that
appear at the bottom of just about every page on our web site?
Gary
****************************
"It's either very new cheese or very old meat." - Oscar Madison
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Gladstone on the Web: http://www.brucehamilton.com
I AM THE GLADSTONE WEBMASTER!
Sorry for the "flame" approach, but the above seems to be something I've
somehow managed to keep a deep, dark secret from everyone here. So, to be
as clear as I can, if there's anything concerning the Gladstone web site
and/or Gladstone's e-mail addresses that seems weird, buggy, or outright
non-functional, drop me an e-mail or, if the e-mail is the problem, let me
know right here.
I am especially interested right now in finding out what problems, if any,
anyone is having with any of our e-mail addresses. Most particularly, is
anyone having any trouble with the mail-to links called "Contact Us" that
appear at the bottom of just about every page on our web site?
Gary
****************************
"It's either very new cheese or very old meat." - Oscar Madison
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Gladstone on the Web: http://www.brucehamilton.com
François Willot
Picsou 319
Message 311 -
1998-08-17 at 21:11:54
ANDERS (I like your name):
What do you want to know? Yes issue #319 of "Picsou" is the last one, it
was published the 29th of July. The editors mad a great work coloring
Don's drawing: the lines of the drawing of the Gilded Man are in yellow,
and all other colors are carefully added and all. It's not published on
the cover (you know, there are many advertisements today on the covers
of Europpean magazines, and it would destroy Rosa's work).
Francois
What do you want to know? Yes issue #319 of "Picsou" is the last one, it
was published the 29th of July. The editors mad a great work coloring
Don's drawing: the lines of the drawing of the Gilded Man are in yellow,
and all other colors are carefully added and all. It's not published on
the cover (you know, there are many advertisements today on the covers
of Europpean magazines, and it would destroy Rosa's work).
Francois
Claudio Eckert
The big Gyro search, PART 1
Message 312 -
1998-08-17 at 21:47:33
Hello Anders (...and all others)!
<<Well, are you finding anything about Gyros hammer and thinking hat in
your comics from the 70'es?>>
Yes, I finished with 1979 today! I also found 3 Gyro-comics from before
the 70'es. But as I only own about 80 issues from this time - and
because of some little gaps in my collection - the following list can't
be called completed!
Anyway, here are the results of the german "Micky Maus" weekly search
from 1970 to 1979. *All* of the stories include the thinking-hat, but
not the hammer! (Maybe more in the 80'es?) Well, at last *one* little
hammer is given in D 2993, MM 28, 1976. It's coming out of Gyro's hat
giving him a good idea...
Gyro-stories, PART 1 (all with thinking hat)
1. unknown, MM 66-36c "Die Sache mit dem Senf"
2. unknown, MM 69-18, "Die Total-Tröte"
3. unknown, MM 69-32, "Kampf der Geister"
4. unknown, MM 70-04 "Der Patenregenmantel"
5. unknown, MM 70-13, "Unheilvolle Unordnung"
6. unknown, MM 71-18b "Die Wunderwaffen"
7. unknown, MM 71-22e "Anschlag auf die Denkkappe"
8. unknown, MM 71-47 "Diebstahl geistigen Eigentums"
9. unknown, MM 73-24, "Ein Eifersuchtsdrama"
10. D 3051, MM 75-52e "Mammut Motten"
11. D 2361 MM 76-23d "Das perfekte Verbrechen"
12. D 2984 MM 76-34g "Das Feuerwerk"
13. D 3803 MM 77-30f "Die Entrückungs-Kanzel"
14. D 4069 MM 77-51g "Irre Ideen"
15. D 4682 MM 79-31f "Das Schrottomobil"
16. D 3996 MM 79-39d "Wetterumschlag"
Some remarks to:
No. 3: This story shows that the thinking-birds are coming from a far
away planet! There is a duell between Gyro and Beagle-Boy 176-123 with
both of them using a thinking hat.
No. 5: Goofy uses the thinking hat
No. 9. some details: When Gyro is shocked (by his walking Mailbox) his
hat and *wig* is lifted in the air. The string is not connected with the
hat but with the wig. Between the wig and the hat there is a egg! The
other time we see a little bird hatching out of the egg, now *under* the
wig on Gyro's bare head. Strange! (I'll do some scans if wanted)
No. 11: A story including O'Hara.
Thats all for the moment. Now on to the 80'es!
To be continued...
<<Well, were the hammer and/or thinking hat a Barks invention?>>
I found the hammer in W WDC 171-03 by Barks. Any more?
- Claudio
<<Well, are you finding anything about Gyros hammer and thinking hat in
your comics from the 70'es?>>
Yes, I finished with 1979 today! I also found 3 Gyro-comics from before
the 70'es. But as I only own about 80 issues from this time - and
because of some little gaps in my collection - the following list can't
be called completed!
Anyway, here are the results of the german "Micky Maus" weekly search
from 1970 to 1979. *All* of the stories include the thinking-hat, but
not the hammer! (Maybe more in the 80'es?) Well, at last *one* little
hammer is given in D 2993, MM 28, 1976. It's coming out of Gyro's hat
giving him a good idea...
Gyro-stories, PART 1 (all with thinking hat)
1. unknown, MM 66-36c "Die Sache mit dem Senf"
2. unknown, MM 69-18, "Die Total-Tröte"
3. unknown, MM 69-32, "Kampf der Geister"
4. unknown, MM 70-04 "Der Patenregenmantel"
5. unknown, MM 70-13, "Unheilvolle Unordnung"
6. unknown, MM 71-18b "Die Wunderwaffen"
7. unknown, MM 71-22e "Anschlag auf die Denkkappe"
8. unknown, MM 71-47 "Diebstahl geistigen Eigentums"
9. unknown, MM 73-24, "Ein Eifersuchtsdrama"
10. D 3051, MM 75-52e "Mammut Motten"
11. D 2361 MM 76-23d "Das perfekte Verbrechen"
12. D 2984 MM 76-34g "Das Feuerwerk"
13. D 3803 MM 77-30f "Die Entrückungs-Kanzel"
14. D 4069 MM 77-51g "Irre Ideen"
15. D 4682 MM 79-31f "Das Schrottomobil"
16. D 3996 MM 79-39d "Wetterumschlag"
Some remarks to:
No. 3: This story shows that the thinking-birds are coming from a far
away planet! There is a duell between Gyro and Beagle-Boy 176-123 with
both of them using a thinking hat.
No. 5: Goofy uses the thinking hat
No. 9. some details: When Gyro is shocked (by his walking Mailbox) his
hat and *wig* is lifted in the air. The string is not connected with the
hat but with the wig. Between the wig and the hat there is a egg! The
other time we see a little bird hatching out of the egg, now *under* the
wig on Gyro's bare head. Strange! (I'll do some scans if wanted)
No. 11: A story including O'Hara.
Thats all for the moment. Now on to the 80'es!
To be continued...
<<Well, were the hammer and/or thinking hat a Barks invention?>>
I found the hammer in W WDC 171-03 by Barks. Any more?
- Claudio
Claudio Eckert
Sequels to Barks comics
Message 313 -
1998-08-17 at 21:57:13
One story I like is Barks' W US 65-01 (Little people from space in a
toy-like UFO, I don't know the english title)
There is a sequel with art (and story?) by Vicar in German MM-weekly No.
33/1977, Code: D 3829.
Any other examples for complete sequels (not just references) to Barks
that are not done by Don Rosa? (Don's we know very well... <s>)
- Claudio
toy-like UFO, I don't know the english title)
There is a sequel with art (and story?) by Vicar in German MM-weekly No.
33/1977, Code: D 3829.
Any other examples for complete sequels (not just references) to Barks
that are not done by Don Rosa? (Don's we know very well... <s>)
- Claudio
Francesco Spreafico
The Money Ocean
Message 314 -
1998-08-17 at 22:28:43
Hello everybody.
This morning I went buy Zio Paperone #107 and I knew I'd find "Zio Paperone e il
deposito oceanico" (U$ The Money Ocean) in it.
That's one of my favorites at all, and the only edition I had, so far, was the
one on Super Almanacco Paperino #25, which had every other two pages black and
white, and I, when I was seven years old, had had the insane idea to color them
myself... :-)
So I was really eager to see what they would do, with computer coloring and
Diego Ceresa lettering.
And I was satisfied with that, a wonderful edition!
But when I reached page twenty (of the story), the last panel made me feel
somewhat uneasy - there's U$ looking inside of his bin, desperate, who says
"Apocalyptic vision!" And it seemed to me he should say "Apocalyptic vision of
death!" I checked it out on my previous edition, and I was right!
Now, you might say that this is trivial, and actually it might be, but why did
they CENSOR it?
Are '98 kids so much more impressionable than us '84 kids or them '74 ones (when
the story was originally published)?
It's no news to me that Disney Italia sometimes does such things with reprints
(I remember a beer magically turned into an orange juice in a "Classico di
WD":-), but I thought that ZP was somewhat beyond these things, since it's
definitely the best comic book (together with its twin "I Maestri Disney") I've
ever seen.
I do wonder who censored that, and I DON'T really think it was Lidia Cannatella,
ZP editor (who seems such a pleasant person - one of us Disney-comic fanatic, I
think), but somebody else.
BTW, how's this story been treated out of Italy? The database tells me it's been
published in USA on U$ 266-267, in Netherlands in DA.06 and OD.50, and maybe in
Germany too (can't find where, sorry:-)
One more thing about it: just who the heck wrote it?
I'll tell you what I know:
1) The Fossati Index (from Marco's site) says Rota-Capelli;
2) Alberto Becattini, in the Yellow Book's index of creators, says Rota-Capelli;
3) The database says Rota-Capelli;
4) Speciale Topolino 2000 says Capelli
5) Old 1995 E-mails from the list's archive say Capelli (the mails were from
Frank Stajano, and Fabio Gadducci)
I had come to think that Capelli had written the plot, and maybe a first draft
for the dialogs, and the Rota and re-written it a bit, but here's what's written
on this month's ZP (more or less, in my poor translation :-)
"It's 1974, November, when on Almanacco Topolino #215 makes his debut as a
complete artist (he wrote it and drew it)..."; the article goes on and that's a
very good article.
And it's written by Alberto Becattini! Has he changed his mind? Has he got new
data? What data?
Oh, the credits in the summary page of course say only Rota.
There's something strange with this, ain't there?
Actually in the story there a sign (page 27, last panel) with "Gau" written on
(that MIGHT stand for Gaudenzio, Capelli's name), but that doesn't necessarily
mean he wrote it!
I wonder, how have translations been credited (if they have)?
Anyone know what's the problem with this story (or is it with Capelli)?
So this is it! Sorry for the long post, but I really love this story and I'd
really like to know about it.
Ciao!
Francesco
This morning I went buy Zio Paperone #107 and I knew I'd find "Zio Paperone e il
deposito oceanico" (U$ The Money Ocean) in it.
That's one of my favorites at all, and the only edition I had, so far, was the
one on Super Almanacco Paperino #25, which had every other two pages black and
white, and I, when I was seven years old, had had the insane idea to color them
myself... :-)
So I was really eager to see what they would do, with computer coloring and
Diego Ceresa lettering.
And I was satisfied with that, a wonderful edition!
But when I reached page twenty (of the story), the last panel made me feel
somewhat uneasy - there's U$ looking inside of his bin, desperate, who says
"Apocalyptic vision!" And it seemed to me he should say "Apocalyptic vision of
death!" I checked it out on my previous edition, and I was right!
Now, you might say that this is trivial, and actually it might be, but why did
they CENSOR it?
Are '98 kids so much more impressionable than us '84 kids or them '74 ones (when
the story was originally published)?
It's no news to me that Disney Italia sometimes does such things with reprints
(I remember a beer magically turned into an orange juice in a "Classico di
WD":-), but I thought that ZP was somewhat beyond these things, since it's
definitely the best comic book (together with its twin "I Maestri Disney") I've
ever seen.
I do wonder who censored that, and I DON'T really think it was Lidia Cannatella,
ZP editor (who seems such a pleasant person - one of us Disney-comic fanatic, I
think), but somebody else.
BTW, how's this story been treated out of Italy? The database tells me it's been
published in USA on U$ 266-267, in Netherlands in DA.06 and OD.50, and maybe in
Germany too (can't find where, sorry:-)
One more thing about it: just who the heck wrote it?
I'll tell you what I know:
1) The Fossati Index (from Marco's site) says Rota-Capelli;
2) Alberto Becattini, in the Yellow Book's index of creators, says Rota-Capelli;
3) The database says Rota-Capelli;
4) Speciale Topolino 2000 says Capelli
5) Old 1995 E-mails from the list's archive say Capelli (the mails were from
Frank Stajano, and Fabio Gadducci)
I had come to think that Capelli had written the plot, and maybe a first draft
for the dialogs, and the Rota and re-written it a bit, but here's what's written
on this month's ZP (more or less, in my poor translation :-)
"It's 1974, November, when on Almanacco Topolino #215 makes his debut as a
complete artist (he wrote it and drew it)..."; the article goes on and that's a
very good article.
And it's written by Alberto Becattini! Has he changed his mind? Has he got new
data? What data?
Oh, the credits in the summary page of course say only Rota.
There's something strange with this, ain't there?
Actually in the story there a sign (page 27, last panel) with "Gau" written on
(that MIGHT stand for Gaudenzio, Capelli's name), but that doesn't necessarily
mean he wrote it!
I wonder, how have translations been credited (if they have)?
Anyone know what's the problem with this story (or is it with Capelli)?
So this is it! Sorry for the long post, but I really love this story and I'd
really like to know about it.
Ciao!
Francesco
Paolo Castagno
Which story is your favorite
Message 315 -
1998-08-17 at 23:28:14
Hello,
Anders Chr. Siveb=E6k wrote:
> Which Disney-comics-story is your favorite?
Well, hoping not to be too repetitive, some time ago there was on this
list a little survey about shuc stuff, so here it is the reproposing
of the message about the stories that resulted to be the preferred
ones:
---- Old message ------
This page is dedicated to our preferred stories: at the
first place there is a triple ex aequo with two stories from Don Rosa
and
another one from Carl Barks:
"The attack of the hideous space varmints",
"The life and times of Scrooge McDuck"
"Lost in the Andes".
I think it's a good result for Lo$ and the square eggs' story, which
are both really great stories,
but I don't dare to say the same for the space varmints. It hasn't yet
published
in Italy, but from what I read on this list it seem more to be a
_normal_ story
than a great one... time will say... BTW this is the complete listing:
4 votes for Lost In The Andes
4 votes for Attack Of The Hideous Space Varmints
4 votes for The Life And Times Of Scrooge McDuck
3 votes for A Christmas For Shaketown
2 votes for Return To Xanadu
2 votes for A Little Something Special
1 vote for A Financial Fable
1 vote for Donald Duck and Neighbor Jones
1 vote for Hearts Of The Yukon
1 vote for Incident At McDuck Tower
1 vote for Last Sled To Dawson
1 vote for Mickey Mouse And The Pirate Submarine
1 vote for On Stolen Time
1 vote for The Seven Cities Of Cibola
1 vote for Return To Plain Awful
1 vote for Donald And The Submarine Adventure
1 vote for Only A Poor Old Man
1 vote for Of Ducks And Dimes And Destinies
1 vote for Mickey Mouse and Kal=EC's nail
1 vote for Mickey Mouse Monarch Of Medioka
1 vote for Donald Fishing On Ice
1 vote for W.H.O.A.L.L.O.T.T.A.J.A.R.G.O.N.
1 vote for Mickey and the Chirikawa Necklace
1 vote for The Waltz King
1 vote for Mickey Mouse In "Love Trouble"
1 vote for Land Of The Pigmy Indians
1 vote for His Majesty, McDuck
1 vote for Ghost Of The Grotto
1 vote for A Matter Of Some Gravity
Even in this listing Don resulted as the total "winner" (...it wasn't
a
contest) with 22 votes, following is Carl Barks with 15 votes, Floyd
Gottfredson 3, Romano Scarpa 2 and Giorgio Cavazzano 1 vote (gained
with his first
story with Reginella. The division of this result isn't very
significative because of
the total dispersion of the votes, there are just two groups: 3 votes
for the
space varmints came from Norway and 2 for Lo$ from USA, each other
story
gained its votes from different countries. Computing the stories with
the
preferred charachter we can see some interesting things: 2 votes for
"A
Christmas for Shaketown" reported as preferred charachter Mickey Mouse
and Black Pete. The ones who voted Magica de'Spell as their preferred
charachter voted as preferred story two recent Rosa's stories with
Magica: "Of
Ducks And Dimes And Destinies" and "A Little Something Special"; all
the
ones who votes for a Mickey's story voted for Mickey as preferred
charachter
too, except for the one who voted for "Mickey and the Chirikawa
Necklace"
who voted for Donald.
---- End of old message -------
BTW my preferred story was and is "Mickey Mouse and Kal=EC's nail"!!
Ciao,
- Paolo
Anders Chr. Siveb=E6k wrote:
> Which Disney-comics-story is your favorite?
Well, hoping not to be too repetitive, some time ago there was on this
list a little survey about shuc stuff, so here it is the reproposing
of the message about the stories that resulted to be the preferred
ones:
---- Old message ------
This page is dedicated to our preferred stories: at the
first place there is a triple ex aequo with two stories from Don Rosa
and
another one from Carl Barks:
"The attack of the hideous space varmints",
"The life and times of Scrooge McDuck"
"Lost in the Andes".
I think it's a good result for Lo$ and the square eggs' story, which
are both really great stories,
but I don't dare to say the same for the space varmints. It hasn't yet
published
in Italy, but from what I read on this list it seem more to be a
_normal_ story
than a great one... time will say... BTW this is the complete listing:
4 votes for Lost In The Andes
4 votes for Attack Of The Hideous Space Varmints
4 votes for The Life And Times Of Scrooge McDuck
3 votes for A Christmas For Shaketown
2 votes for Return To Xanadu
2 votes for A Little Something Special
1 vote for A Financial Fable
1 vote for Donald Duck and Neighbor Jones
1 vote for Hearts Of The Yukon
1 vote for Incident At McDuck Tower
1 vote for Last Sled To Dawson
1 vote for Mickey Mouse And The Pirate Submarine
1 vote for On Stolen Time
1 vote for The Seven Cities Of Cibola
1 vote for Return To Plain Awful
1 vote for Donald And The Submarine Adventure
1 vote for Only A Poor Old Man
1 vote for Of Ducks And Dimes And Destinies
1 vote for Mickey Mouse and Kal=EC's nail
1 vote for Mickey Mouse Monarch Of Medioka
1 vote for Donald Fishing On Ice
1 vote for W.H.O.A.L.L.O.T.T.A.J.A.R.G.O.N.
1 vote for Mickey and the Chirikawa Necklace
1 vote for The Waltz King
1 vote for Mickey Mouse In "Love Trouble"
1 vote for Land Of The Pigmy Indians
1 vote for His Majesty, McDuck
1 vote for Ghost Of The Grotto
1 vote for A Matter Of Some Gravity
Even in this listing Don resulted as the total "winner" (...it wasn't
a
contest) with 22 votes, following is Carl Barks with 15 votes, Floyd
Gottfredson 3, Romano Scarpa 2 and Giorgio Cavazzano 1 vote (gained
with his first
story with Reginella. The division of this result isn't very
significative because of
the total dispersion of the votes, there are just two groups: 3 votes
for the
space varmints came from Norway and 2 for Lo$ from USA, each other
story
gained its votes from different countries. Computing the stories with
the
preferred charachter we can see some interesting things: 2 votes for
"A
Christmas for Shaketown" reported as preferred charachter Mickey Mouse
and Black Pete. The ones who voted Magica de'Spell as their preferred
charachter voted as preferred story two recent Rosa's stories with
Magica: "Of
Ducks And Dimes And Destinies" and "A Little Something Special"; all
the
ones who votes for a Mickey's story voted for Mickey as preferred
charachter
too, except for the one who voted for "Mickey and the Chirikawa
Necklace"
who voted for Donald.
---- End of old message -------
BTW my preferred story was and is "Mickey Mouse and Kal=EC's nail"!!
Ciao,
- Paolo