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Previous message really by Antonio Di Dio
Message 31 -
1998-08-03 at 16:34:24
Stefan Diös
Disney comics Digest V98 #182
Message 32 -
1998-08-03 at 18:24:31
JUHANA:
>I'm sure a translator can make any story "better" but that is not
>then a translation.
You are absolutely correct, of course. When I translate articles, such as
other people's prefaces for the Golden Books, my credit is usually given for
"translation and adaptation". I wish that something similar would be said
for my work with the comics, as I don't like to think of myself primarily as
a translator.
This topic was discussed on the mailing list earlier this year, perhaps
before you joined. I think most of us agreed that a little bit of "editing"
is necessary to conform to standards and traditions in different countries,
such as the name of the city where Mickey Mouse lives. Then, it's a question
of how far we should go. Is it more important to be as faithful as possible
to the original writer (Carl Barks, in this case); or to try to make the
story as enjoyable as possible for the reader? Personally, I'm ready to
betray the intentions of any and all of the writers, if I truly believe I
can improve on a story. Of course, the writer (or the readers!) may not
agree that an improvement really has been made, and then I'm in hot water!
So, again... it's a fine line to tread, but I'll always try to have a reason
for what I might decide to change. Even so, I'm sure I will make some
mistakes along the way... hopefully I won't make too many enemies!
I also want to add, once again, that I nowadays find the quality of most
scripts so stellar that major changes rarely are needed. And, of course,
that there are always other editors after the translator who have the final
say on what to print or not.
ANDERS CHRISTIAN:
>> NAFS(k) actually has an entry in the huge Swedish "Nationalencyklopedin",
>I would like to know what word to look for in that encyclopedia
Just look for "NAFS(k)", in its alphabetized place! It doesn't say much, but
enough to explain what we are...
> the villain with the moustache,
>> known in Denmark as "Sorte Slyngel" and in Sweden "Sorte Klat"
Uh... that would be Norwegian, I guess, since it's obviously not Danish...
In Sweden he is "Spokplumpen", meaning, literally, "The Phantom Blot". (I
hope we're talking about the same guy... the Walt Disney character!)
Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden
>I'm sure a translator can make any story "better" but that is not
>then a translation.
You are absolutely correct, of course. When I translate articles, such as
other people's prefaces for the Golden Books, my credit is usually given for
"translation and adaptation". I wish that something similar would be said
for my work with the comics, as I don't like to think of myself primarily as
a translator.
This topic was discussed on the mailing list earlier this year, perhaps
before you joined. I think most of us agreed that a little bit of "editing"
is necessary to conform to standards and traditions in different countries,
such as the name of the city where Mickey Mouse lives. Then, it's a question
of how far we should go. Is it more important to be as faithful as possible
to the original writer (Carl Barks, in this case); or to try to make the
story as enjoyable as possible for the reader? Personally, I'm ready to
betray the intentions of any and all of the writers, if I truly believe I
can improve on a story. Of course, the writer (or the readers!) may not
agree that an improvement really has been made, and then I'm in hot water!
So, again... it's a fine line to tread, but I'll always try to have a reason
for what I might decide to change. Even so, I'm sure I will make some
mistakes along the way... hopefully I won't make too many enemies!
I also want to add, once again, that I nowadays find the quality of most
scripts so stellar that major changes rarely are needed. And, of course,
that there are always other editors after the translator who have the final
say on what to print or not.
ANDERS CHRISTIAN:
>> NAFS(k) actually has an entry in the huge Swedish "Nationalencyklopedin",
>I would like to know what word to look for in that encyclopedia
Just look for "NAFS(k)", in its alphabetized place! It doesn't say much, but
enough to explain what we are...
> the villain with the moustache,
>> known in Denmark as "Sorte Slyngel" and in Sweden "Sorte Klat"
Uh... that would be Norwegian, I guess, since it's obviously not Danish...
In Sweden he is "Spokplumpen", meaning, literally, "The Phantom Blot". (I
hope we're talking about the same guy... the Walt Disney character!)
Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden
Donald D. Markstein
Junkville Journal
Message 33 -
1998-08-03 at 22:26:59
CLAUDIA REGIS CAMBRIN --
We may be getting into fine-line distinctions
here -- in fact, I suspect the line is fuzzy, not fine,
which makes it even harder to deal with -- but there
are references to the past that are useful to the
teaching of history, and there are references that
merely serve to "date" the story, and call attention
to the fact that it was written in another time. Not
that there's necessarily anything wrong with the
latter, at least when properly presented. But when a
story appears in a current comic book, aimed at
young readers who have never seen it before, I tend
to think "quaint" elements will detract from it,
unless they're part of the story itself (e.g., if
the story is SET in the past) and not part of the
cultural context in which the story was written.
In the case at hand, the one where the phrase
"workers' paradise" appears in the story, I think it
would be perfectly at home in a story set during a
time when that phrase actually referred to something
that was said by its proponents to exist in the world
-- but in a story written as contemporary adventure,
and presented as contemporary adventure, it's a
jarring element, one that makes the reader step back
for a moment and make a minor mental adjustment before
getting back into the story. And I am generally
opposed to things that interfere with the flow of
the story.
MOSTLY, tho, I responded as I did to the
complaint about censorship of the term "workers'
paradise" because the word "censorship" gets bandied
about a lot, when often the act referred to is a
perfectly legitimate editorial decision. In this
particular case, it's hard to say precisely which
category it belongs in. Was Disney "censoring" the
story by refusing to allow that phrase to appear as
part of it? Or were they, as OWNERS of the story,
merely exercising their legitimate editorial
prerogative in removing it?
Personally, I tend toward the latter point
of view. I'd rather they didn't do that sort of thing,
but I can't quarrel with their right to do it.
DANIEL VAN EIJMERING --
The reason I (for one) say "digital is forever"
is the ease and precision of copying. Not only can a
computer make a copy of a CD full of photos in a
fraction of the time it took to scan the photos in
-- since the data is digital, rather than analog, it
can be checked, pixel for pixel, to ensure an
absolutely faithful reproduction, with no loss of
signal whatsoever.
And yes, I'm the one doing family photos that
way. I DO have a professional scanner, and I AM using
lots of memory and storage. I made a major upgrade
to my computer before starting the project, and the
photos are now stored on no less than 14 CD-ROMs.
Individual pictures average about six megabytes,
but sometimes range as high as 80. No, I don't
regard these scans as replacements for the originals
-- but the only way you can see a difference between
the original image and that of the scan is with a
microscope. No doubt, my descendants will be able to
do better, if they still have the originals to work
with -- but by straining available technology to the
limit, I've made some scans that are pretty darn good.
And you can't compare this to microfilm,
because microfilm is an analog storage medium, and
digital is better -- in fact, digital (once enough
copies exist to ensure that no small disaster will
destroy all of them) is forever.
>> "The Penny Wise cover was made years before this
>> story. Even as a fantasy both names are only similar
>> by coincidence (IMO)."
Even if true, that's irrelevant. We don't know
what Barks was thinking of when he used the same name
in two different contexts -- and even if we did, we
could still posit a relationship between the two,
should it suit our purposes. Nothing in any story
regarded as "canonical" contradicts the assumption
that they're the same Penny Wise, and therefore, if
I say they are, nobody can say for sure that I'm
wrong. (And in case wheels are turning in any other
writer's head -- dibs!)
>> "But who has the final word on what a good story is?"
The editor, in most cases. I'm surprised you
don't know that.
>> "but what's the use of a comic-book story still
>> existing somewhere if no one - or only a few of us -
>> can *reach* it?"
I couldn't say. But since Gladstone isn't about
to publish it in Italian, you're going to have to
accept an altered version of it anyway.
Quack, Don=
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #183
******************************************
We may be getting into fine-line distinctions
here -- in fact, I suspect the line is fuzzy, not fine,
which makes it even harder to deal with -- but there
are references to the past that are useful to the
teaching of history, and there are references that
merely serve to "date" the story, and call attention
to the fact that it was written in another time. Not
that there's necessarily anything wrong with the
latter, at least when properly presented. But when a
story appears in a current comic book, aimed at
young readers who have never seen it before, I tend
to think "quaint" elements will detract from it,
unless they're part of the story itself (e.g., if
the story is SET in the past) and not part of the
cultural context in which the story was written.
In the case at hand, the one where the phrase
"workers' paradise" appears in the story, I think it
would be perfectly at home in a story set during a
time when that phrase actually referred to something
that was said by its proponents to exist in the world
-- but in a story written as contemporary adventure,
and presented as contemporary adventure, it's a
jarring element, one that makes the reader step back
for a moment and make a minor mental adjustment before
getting back into the story. And I am generally
opposed to things that interfere with the flow of
the story.
MOSTLY, tho, I responded as I did to the
complaint about censorship of the term "workers'
paradise" because the word "censorship" gets bandied
about a lot, when often the act referred to is a
perfectly legitimate editorial decision. In this
particular case, it's hard to say precisely which
category it belongs in. Was Disney "censoring" the
story by refusing to allow that phrase to appear as
part of it? Or were they, as OWNERS of the story,
merely exercising their legitimate editorial
prerogative in removing it?
Personally, I tend toward the latter point
of view. I'd rather they didn't do that sort of thing,
but I can't quarrel with their right to do it.
DANIEL VAN EIJMERING --
The reason I (for one) say "digital is forever"
is the ease and precision of copying. Not only can a
computer make a copy of a CD full of photos in a
fraction of the time it took to scan the photos in
-- since the data is digital, rather than analog, it
can be checked, pixel for pixel, to ensure an
absolutely faithful reproduction, with no loss of
signal whatsoever.
And yes, I'm the one doing family photos that
way. I DO have a professional scanner, and I AM using
lots of memory and storage. I made a major upgrade
to my computer before starting the project, and the
photos are now stored on no less than 14 CD-ROMs.
Individual pictures average about six megabytes,
but sometimes range as high as 80. No, I don't
regard these scans as replacements for the originals
-- but the only way you can see a difference between
the original image and that of the scan is with a
microscope. No doubt, my descendants will be able to
do better, if they still have the originals to work
with -- but by straining available technology to the
limit, I've made some scans that are pretty darn good.
And you can't compare this to microfilm,
because microfilm is an analog storage medium, and
digital is better -- in fact, digital (once enough
copies exist to ensure that no small disaster will
destroy all of them) is forever.
>> "The Penny Wise cover was made years before this
>> story. Even as a fantasy both names are only similar
>> by coincidence (IMO)."
Even if true, that's irrelevant. We don't know
what Barks was thinking of when he used the same name
in two different contexts -- and even if we did, we
could still posit a relationship between the two,
should it suit our purposes. Nothing in any story
regarded as "canonical" contradicts the assumption
that they're the same Penny Wise, and therefore, if
I say they are, nobody can say for sure that I'm
wrong. (And in case wheels are turning in any other
writer's head -- dibs!)
>> "But who has the final word on what a good story is?"
The editor, in most cases. I'm surprised you
don't know that.
>> "but what's the use of a comic-book story still
>> existing somewhere if no one - or only a few of us -
>> can *reach* it?"
I couldn't say. But since Gladstone isn't about
to publish it in Italian, you're going to have to
accept an altered version of it anyway.
Quack, Don=
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #183
******************************************
Gerstein, David DK - ECN
Brer Bear
Message 34 -
1998-08-03 at 23:32:21
ANDERS C:
>Are there one or two Bears in the forest outside
>Duckburg where the Wolves and the Rabbits Live?
>On the character page it seems like there's only one...
>But he has so different personality in different stories.
Here's the truth:
When he started out, Brer Bear wasn't exactly good or bad - just
dumb. The original Brer Bear is kind to those who treat him well, and
mean to those he hates. This means he can be friends with both "bad"
characters (Brer Fox) and "good" characters (Three Pigs, Li'l Wolf). And
it means he can get mad at a "good" character if that character
mistreats him. Therefore, he hates Brer Rabbit, because Brer Rabbit
constantly takes cruel advantage of Brer Bear, calling him dumb and
tricking him. For this reason, while Brer Bear would never help Brer Fox
rob a bank, Brer Bear *would* help Brer Fox catch Brer Rabbit - just to
get even with Brer Rabbit.
This explanation of Brer Bear's character makes sense with about
everything Brer Bear did in the comics until about 1955. After that, the
writers of Wolf stories made Brer Bear so good that he didn't even hate
Brer Rabbit anymore. And the writers of Rabbit stories made Brer Bear
smarter, and so mean that he wanted to capture and eat not just Brer
Rabbit, but everyone in the forest! Holy lack of consistency...
So the Brer Bear of the Rabbit stories became different from the
Brer Bear of the Wolf stories. And the Danish translators took it to the
next level: they'd been calling Brer Bear "Farmer Bear" in all stories
until the 1960s, but now began to call him (the more correct) Brer Bear
in the Rabbit stories. So that in the Danish comics only, it was as if
there were two different characters.
There's only one Brer Bear. And he isn't supposed to be really
mean, and while he might get tough to anyone who's gotten on his bad
side (like Zeke, whom he actually likes at other times), the only guy
Brer Bear really hates is Brer Rabbit.
If a Danish translator wants to claim that "Brer Bear" and
"Farmer Bear" are different characters, that's Danish tradition.
Oh, yeah... Brer Bear's wife and kids. While most common in Wolf
stories, they do occasionally show up in the Brer Rabbit stories - just
not very often. They're in the WDC&S 75 Brer Rabbit story, for example.
>Are there one or two Bears in the forest outside
>Duckburg where the Wolves and the Rabbits Live?
>On the character page it seems like there's only one...
>But he has so different personality in different stories.
Here's the truth:
When he started out, Brer Bear wasn't exactly good or bad - just
dumb. The original Brer Bear is kind to those who treat him well, and
mean to those he hates. This means he can be friends with both "bad"
characters (Brer Fox) and "good" characters (Three Pigs, Li'l Wolf). And
it means he can get mad at a "good" character if that character
mistreats him. Therefore, he hates Brer Rabbit, because Brer Rabbit
constantly takes cruel advantage of Brer Bear, calling him dumb and
tricking him. For this reason, while Brer Bear would never help Brer Fox
rob a bank, Brer Bear *would* help Brer Fox catch Brer Rabbit - just to
get even with Brer Rabbit.
This explanation of Brer Bear's character makes sense with about
everything Brer Bear did in the comics until about 1955. After that, the
writers of Wolf stories made Brer Bear so good that he didn't even hate
Brer Rabbit anymore. And the writers of Rabbit stories made Brer Bear
smarter, and so mean that he wanted to capture and eat not just Brer
Rabbit, but everyone in the forest! Holy lack of consistency...
So the Brer Bear of the Rabbit stories became different from the
Brer Bear of the Wolf stories. And the Danish translators took it to the
next level: they'd been calling Brer Bear "Farmer Bear" in all stories
until the 1960s, but now began to call him (the more correct) Brer Bear
in the Rabbit stories. So that in the Danish comics only, it was as if
there were two different characters.
There's only one Brer Bear. And he isn't supposed to be really
mean, and while he might get tough to anyone who's gotten on his bad
side (like Zeke, whom he actually likes at other times), the only guy
Brer Bear really hates is Brer Rabbit.
If a Danish translator wants to claim that "Brer Bear" and
"Farmer Bear" are different characters, that's Danish tradition.
Oh, yeah... Brer Bear's wife and kids. While most common in Wolf
stories, they do occasionally show up in the Brer Rabbit stories - just
not very often. They're in the WDC&S 75 Brer Rabbit story, for example.
Vidar Svendsen
Disney comics Digest V98 #182
Message 35 -
1998-08-03 at 23:37:34
Stefan Diös:
>> the villain with the moustache,
>>> known in Denmark as "Sorte Slyngel" and in Sweden "Sorte Klat"
>
>Uh... that would be Norwegian, I guess, since it's obviously not Danish...
>In Sweden he is "Spokplumpen", meaning, literally, "The Phantom Blot". (I
>hope we're talking about the same guy... the Walt Disney character!)
We call him "Spokelseskladden" in Norway. I've never seen
"Sorte Slyngel" used in Norway.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Vidar Svendsen http://home.sol.no/~vidasven
And he said all those numbers
made him numb,
which (he thinks) is why
they're called numbers
>> the villain with the moustache,
>>> known in Denmark as "Sorte Slyngel" and in Sweden "Sorte Klat"
>
>Uh... that would be Norwegian, I guess, since it's obviously not Danish...
>In Sweden he is "Spokplumpen", meaning, literally, "The Phantom Blot". (I
>hope we're talking about the same guy... the Walt Disney character!)
We call him "Spokelseskladden" in Norway. I've never seen
"Sorte Slyngel" used in Norway.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Vidar Svendsen http://home.sol.no/~vidasven
And he said all those numbers
made him numb,
which (he thinks) is why
they're called numbers
Donald D. Markstein
Disney comics Digest V98 #183
Message 36 -
1998-08-04 at 00:27:35
STEFAN DIOS --
>> "Personally, I'm ready to betray the intentions of any
>> and all of the writers, if I truly believe I can
>> improve on a story."
Well, speaking as one of the writers you claim to
be ready to "betray", all I can say is, just make me
look good. If you were to do an exact, word-for-word
translation of each caption and balloon, you'd be taking
stuff that sounds just fine in idiomatic, American-style
English, and rendering it in stiff, awkward Swedish that
sounds like -- well, like it had been written in another
language and translated word-for-word. I'd much rather
have it read smoothly, in an idiomatic style that will
entertain the readers, crafted by someone who knows how
to write in Swedish, than preserve a form of phrasing and
sentence structure that works best in the language it was
written in.
But we've been through this before, haven't we?
Quack, Don
>> "Personally, I'm ready to betray the intentions of any
>> and all of the writers, if I truly believe I can
>> improve on a story."
Well, speaking as one of the writers you claim to
be ready to "betray", all I can say is, just make me
look good. If you were to do an exact, word-for-word
translation of each caption and balloon, you'd be taking
stuff that sounds just fine in idiomatic, American-style
English, and rendering it in stiff, awkward Swedish that
sounds like -- well, like it had been written in another
language and translated word-for-word. I'd much rather
have it read smoothly, in an idiomatic style that will
entertain the readers, crafted by someone who knows how
to write in Swedish, than preserve a form of phrasing and
sentence structure that works best in the language it was
written in.
But we've been through this before, haven't we?
Quack, Don
SSchridde
Disney comics Digest V98 #181
Message 37 -
1998-08-04 at 00:31:19
Stefan / all:
> In this case, my point was that I couldn't understand why you were talking
> about peas at all. But now you told me... "green peas" in Danish are "green
> woodpeckers" in Swedish and "greenhorns" in English... right? Sounds easy
> enough. You live and learn.
Just to complete - in german it's "green beak" - which leads back
to a more on-topic discussion:
I actually have few pages in my comics (mostly pocket books) with
wrong colouring, i.e. a page without the red - causing all beaks and
feet of the ducks to be green
or similar mistakes...
how common is this (asking those (how many - I still didn't
measure my collection?) who have a larger collection than me)?
Soeren
Soeren Schridde
Martinistr. 52
49078 Osnabrueck
Germany
eMail: (Email removed)
(2nd: (Email removed))
Tel./Fax: Acc.Code+ (0)541/150764
at my parents':
Luisenweg 33
38302 Wolfenbuettel
Germany
Tel.: Acc.Code+ (0)5331/978268
> In this case, my point was that I couldn't understand why you were talking
> about peas at all. But now you told me... "green peas" in Danish are "green
> woodpeckers" in Swedish and "greenhorns" in English... right? Sounds easy
> enough. You live and learn.
Just to complete - in german it's "green beak" - which leads back
to a more on-topic discussion:
I actually have few pages in my comics (mostly pocket books) with
wrong colouring, i.e. a page without the red - causing all beaks and
feet of the ducks to be green
or similar mistakes...
how common is this (asking those (how many - I still didn't
measure my collection?) who have a larger collection than me)?
Soeren
Soeren Schridde
Martinistr. 52
49078 Osnabrueck
Germany
eMail: (Email removed)
(2nd: (Email removed))
Tel./Fax: Acc.Code+ (0)541/150764
at my parents':
Luisenweg 33
38302 Wolfenbuettel
Germany
Tel.: Acc.Code+ (0)5331/978268
Katie Sullivan
Disney comics Digest V98 #183
Message 38 -
1998-08-04 at 00:39:07
>
To Frank Fabian
> ... as well some misspell "niece" as "neice" (are you reading this, Katie?
> You know, i before e except after c? No offense intended!) ;-) :-)
None taken, and guilty as charged! That whole i before e thing has always confused the heck
out of me, for some reason. I have the same problem with their/thier often. Thank heavens for
computers' spell checkers!
Re: what I do with my comics:
Well, since I share the comics with my father, they're not all "my" comics, but in a sense they
are.
Anyway, I read the darn things. What else would I do? ;-)
We have them all in plastic acid-free sleeves and labeled boxes, etc etc. And while we call it
a "collection" there's no financial interest whatsoever. I'd rather sell a kidney than my
comics!!! ;-) The only time money figures in is when we're buying the silly things in the
first place. I rarely consider the monetary value of a comic. Granted, I'm careful with them,
and don't get chocolate smudges on the pages or anything, but that's because I want to keep
them nice for myself and my future children, etc.
I have the some attitude toward my action figures. I have stopped buying new ones, but I have
a rather large collection of Star Trek action figures, numbering in the hundreds. "Collectors"
cringe when I tell them I open the packages, throw the plastic packaging, and have the figures
out in the (gasp!) air! But what's the point of action figures if you can't line them up in
rows on top of your television and pose them into little scenes, etc? Who wants boxes full of
unopened toys? If you're planning on re-selling them, sure, but I just want to have fun with
them. So there! Nyah! :-)
Quackcerely,
Katie Q
To Frank Fabian
> ... as well some misspell "niece" as "neice" (are you reading this, Katie?
> You know, i before e except after c? No offense intended!) ;-) :-)
None taken, and guilty as charged! That whole i before e thing has always confused the heck
out of me, for some reason. I have the same problem with their/thier often. Thank heavens for
computers' spell checkers!
Re: what I do with my comics:
Well, since I share the comics with my father, they're not all "my" comics, but in a sense they
are.
Anyway, I read the darn things. What else would I do? ;-)
We have them all in plastic acid-free sleeves and labeled boxes, etc etc. And while we call it
a "collection" there's no financial interest whatsoever. I'd rather sell a kidney than my
comics!!! ;-) The only time money figures in is when we're buying the silly things in the
first place. I rarely consider the monetary value of a comic. Granted, I'm careful with them,
and don't get chocolate smudges on the pages or anything, but that's because I want to keep
them nice for myself and my future children, etc.
I have the some attitude toward my action figures. I have stopped buying new ones, but I have
a rather large collection of Star Trek action figures, numbering in the hundreds. "Collectors"
cringe when I tell them I open the packages, throw the plastic packaging, and have the figures
out in the (gasp!) air! But what's the point of action figures if you can't line them up in
rows on top of your television and pose them into little scenes, etc? Who wants boxes full of
unopened toys? If you're planning on re-selling them, sure, but I just want to have fun with
them. So there! Nyah! :-)
Quackcerely,
Katie Q
Claudio Eckert
Zapotek and Marlin
Message 39 -
1998-08-04 at 00:51:09
Anders:
>>It seems you're talking about the characters named Prof. Zapotec and Pr=
of.
Marlin in Italy.
Now I remember! These are the german names, too. =
- Claudio =
>>It seems you're talking about the characters named Prof. Zapotec and Pr=
of.
Marlin in Italy.
Now I remember! These are the german names, too. =
- Claudio =
Anders Chr. Sivebæk
Hair: $crooge and Gyro
Message 40 -
1998-08-04 at 00:54:57
Hello friends
Today I've been wondering about: hair.
First subject $crooge. At the old comic shop the other day, I just looked
over a story where $mD was dreaming about the young days, where he had long
brown hair. In that story he's sad that he's now what the writer calls
bald.
I read for some time ago that in the american publication of Lo$, that $
had brown hair until he was frightened by something and it turned white. In
the danish version it's white all through the series. But I do remember
something about, that in my greek Komix no. 100 he had brown hair. What's
Barks' meaning about that question? anyone?
Second subject: Gyro Gearloose, the madcap inventor.
I've always wondered what those strings on the hat were for, the ones that
go down under his chin...
Today I read a story in a socalled gift-booklet (GH in danish) no. 16 of
that kind.
US 81 in this comic is about Gyro Gearloose. He faints in this story and
his hat and WIG falls of, and it is revealed that he's totally bald; one of
the scientists in the story has always had an idea bout this but...
In another story I remember, perhaps it was by Paul Murry, Gyro was just
bald on the top of the head (he had only a circle of hair).
But in most stories it's my impression that he is not bald at all, what was
Barks' original idea of how Gyro's hair should be, Rosa what do you think
of the case?
Today I've been wondering about: hair.
First subject $crooge. At the old comic shop the other day, I just looked
over a story where $mD was dreaming about the young days, where he had long
brown hair. In that story he's sad that he's now what the writer calls
bald.
I read for some time ago that in the american publication of Lo$, that $
had brown hair until he was frightened by something and it turned white. In
the danish version it's white all through the series. But I do remember
something about, that in my greek Komix no. 100 he had brown hair. What's
Barks' meaning about that question? anyone?
Second subject: Gyro Gearloose, the madcap inventor.
I've always wondered what those strings on the hat were for, the ones that
go down under his chin...
Today I read a story in a socalled gift-booklet (GH in danish) no. 16 of
that kind.
US 81 in this comic is about Gyro Gearloose. He faints in this story and
his hat and WIG falls of, and it is revealed that he's totally bald; one of
the scientists in the story has always had an idea bout this but...
In another story I remember, perhaps it was by Paul Murry, Gyro was just
bald on the top of the head (he had only a circle of hair).
But in most stories it's my impression that he is not bald at all, what was
Barks' original idea of how Gyro's hair should be, Rosa what do you think
of the case?
Anders Chr. Sivebæk
A visit at some friends and a little pride
Message 41 -
1998-08-04 at 00:55:03
Hi.
In my heart I feal proud. This evening we were
invited to come and eat cake at some of our
friends, they have a little boy at 6. I read his
bedtime story. A william van Horn story, and
(IMHO most important) I read Chritmas on Bear
Mountain (By Barks) to him. It may not be the
right season but I actually feel that I gave Carl
Barks' stories to a little tiny bit of the next generation.
I tried to explain him that the story was from 1947,
but I'm not quite sure he actually understood that.
But when he grows up, and reads that story in the
year 2047, he will remember that story, not just
because it'll be published in the magazines that year
but because it was read to him when he was 6.
I hope you don't feel insulted because of my little prideness...
BTW I also borrowed a book club book (Scandinavians
will know what that is, but just to tell you others,
Donald has a book club, which publish new books
to sell to members (all Disney stories)), It contains
I very close/clear rewrite of this story
W WDC 129-02 10 50-12-07 DD D:Pool Sharks
us : BL 8-303,DD 274,LICW 18
w : WDC 129,WDC 335
nl : 53-13,73-24,BV.17,KV.05
se : 51-11,71-24*,AB 02,KAB 15
dk : AA51-11,AA71-24*,BH 15
de : 76-32,BL 18
fi : AAP 14
I'm wondering where those sharks came from,
there are noone in the story, maybe that's the
reason that other indexes call it "The swimming
pool gardens"... All right... I know those sharks
are the people who exploit Donald's Swimming Pool:-)
Anders Christian
(Email removed)
In my heart I feal proud. This evening we were
invited to come and eat cake at some of our
friends, they have a little boy at 6. I read his
bedtime story. A william van Horn story, and
(IMHO most important) I read Chritmas on Bear
Mountain (By Barks) to him. It may not be the
right season but I actually feel that I gave Carl
Barks' stories to a little tiny bit of the next generation.
I tried to explain him that the story was from 1947,
but I'm not quite sure he actually understood that.
But when he grows up, and reads that story in the
year 2047, he will remember that story, not just
because it'll be published in the magazines that year
but because it was read to him when he was 6.
I hope you don't feel insulted because of my little prideness...
BTW I also borrowed a book club book (Scandinavians
will know what that is, but just to tell you others,
Donald has a book club, which publish new books
to sell to members (all Disney stories)), It contains
I very close/clear rewrite of this story
W WDC 129-02 10 50-12-07 DD D:Pool Sharks
us : BL 8-303,DD 274,LICW 18
w : WDC 129,WDC 335
nl : 53-13,73-24,BV.17,KV.05
se : 51-11,71-24*,AB 02,KAB 15
dk : AA51-11,AA71-24*,BH 15
de : 76-32,BL 18
fi : AAP 14
I'm wondering where those sharks came from,
there are noone in the story, maybe that's the
reason that other indexes call it "The swimming
pool gardens"... All right... I know those sharks
are the people who exploit Donald's Swimming Pool:-)
Anders Christian
(Email removed)
Tristan Havelick
Collecting, Colors, and.. Bob Hope (?)
Message 42 -
1998-08-04 at 00:57:51
DON ROSA:
About what "collecting" has come to mean. I agree with you whole-heartedly.
I simply used "collecting" the way I did in my previous message, because I
was using what vocabulary I interpretted from him. I always say I "collect"
comics and games. But again, I never expect to sell either collection.
About Bob Hope Comics: Maybe I should have been more careful... I tried to
pick an obscure comic that almost no-one had read... I personally just found
it funny that Bob Hope had a comic series when I saw it in my Overstreet
Price Guide (1994 Edition. Should show how much I care about the investment
return on my comics). I actually have never seen a Bob Hope comic. For all
I know they could be great. There I go again.. jumping without thinking.
One thing I dont understand about the new computer coloring. Why is it that
they still credit colorists (i.e. Coloring by Jon Smith II)? When I look at
my airbrushed reprints in _Uncle Scrooge, His Life and Times_ By Carl Barks.
I am impressed by the colorist's work. Imagine maticulously airbrushing
each little creavase of the drawing, getting just the right shade etc. I am
impressed (this is nothing compared to doing the actual art but anyway).
But when some guy sits down at a computer and points and clicks a few times
to add effects; this doesnt seem like art. Heck, I, college Freshman
business student could do that! As I understand it, the artist sends the
colorist a skeched coloring of the book so the colorist will know what color
stuff is suposed to be. This even makes the colorist sense of contrast,
brightness etc Irrelevent. It may look good to me, but my credit goes to
the computer, not the person running it.
ALL:
Back to colors (I am writing this as I read it so..) Perhaps I wrong with
colors. The oldest comics in my collection are from late 60's to 70's, but
most of you praise coloring from pre 1960. I do have one Dell age comic,
but it isnt in the greatest condition, so it retracts from its readableity.
So maybe it was better back then. But Ive never been a fan of Gold
Key/Whitman colors.
I am interested in getting some Russian DisneyComic books. I only really
want to get one or two, just to see what they are like, but if needed I can
pay for a subscription. Anyway here's my question: Do Egmont's
sub-publishers accept foriegn orders? And, does anyone know how I can
contact egmont russia? (or egmont Estonia, being as they speak russian as
well) I checked out the great page, "Disny Comics Around the World" (I
forgot the exact tittle) but there was no contact info for either company.
Also if anyone has any Russian Comics they are looking to get rid of,
(hahaha yeah right) I would be willing to take them off your hands.
About what "collecting" has come to mean. I agree with you whole-heartedly.
I simply used "collecting" the way I did in my previous message, because I
was using what vocabulary I interpretted from him. I always say I "collect"
comics and games. But again, I never expect to sell either collection.
About Bob Hope Comics: Maybe I should have been more careful... I tried to
pick an obscure comic that almost no-one had read... I personally just found
it funny that Bob Hope had a comic series when I saw it in my Overstreet
Price Guide (1994 Edition. Should show how much I care about the investment
return on my comics). I actually have never seen a Bob Hope comic. For all
I know they could be great. There I go again.. jumping without thinking.
One thing I dont understand about the new computer coloring. Why is it that
they still credit colorists (i.e. Coloring by Jon Smith II)? When I look at
my airbrushed reprints in _Uncle Scrooge, His Life and Times_ By Carl Barks.
I am impressed by the colorist's work. Imagine maticulously airbrushing
each little creavase of the drawing, getting just the right shade etc. I am
impressed (this is nothing compared to doing the actual art but anyway).
But when some guy sits down at a computer and points and clicks a few times
to add effects; this doesnt seem like art. Heck, I, college Freshman
business student could do that! As I understand it, the artist sends the
colorist a skeched coloring of the book so the colorist will know what color
stuff is suposed to be. This even makes the colorist sense of contrast,
brightness etc Irrelevent. It may look good to me, but my credit goes to
the computer, not the person running it.
ALL:
Back to colors (I am writing this as I read it so..) Perhaps I wrong with
colors. The oldest comics in my collection are from late 60's to 70's, but
most of you praise coloring from pre 1960. I do have one Dell age comic,
but it isnt in the greatest condition, so it retracts from its readableity.
So maybe it was better back then. But Ive never been a fan of Gold
Key/Whitman colors.
I am interested in getting some Russian DisneyComic books. I only really
want to get one or two, just to see what they are like, but if needed I can
pay for a subscription. Anyway here's my question: Do Egmont's
sub-publishers accept foriegn orders? And, does anyone know how I can
contact egmont russia? (or egmont Estonia, being as they speak russian as
well) I checked out the great page, "Disny Comics Around the World" (I
forgot the exact tittle) but there was no contact info for either company.
Also if anyone has any Russian Comics they are looking to get rid of,
(hahaha yeah right) I would be willing to take them off your hands.
Moss, Thomas
Hair: $crooge and Gyro
Message 43 -
1998-08-04 at 01:16:00
Now that you mention the subject, I remember a story with =
Donald=20
Duck, where he was trying to make money from a hair restorer salesman. =
The salesman was offering "double your money back" if it didn't grow=20
hair. Donald's plan was to buy a bunch of bottles and get double his=20
money back since ducks can't grow hair. I think he did eventually turn =
into a great big ball of hair, but his initial thoughts were that ducks =
weren't supposed to have hair. Of course, all of Scrooge's girlfriends =
have full heads of hair (maybe wigs?) when Daisy has no hair at all. I =
think all of the main characters (ducks) in the duck stories have=20
feathers on top with no hair, but a lot of the villain ducks and minor=20
character ducks seem to have hair. HMM......
I also remember a story with Gyro where his hat was off. He =
had=20
a little bald circle of skin on top (where his hat would go) with=20
feathers around that.
Tom Moss
______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________
Subject: Hair: $crooge and Gyro
Author: "Anders Chr. Siveb=B5k" [SMTP:(Email removed)] at MSXGATE
Date: 8/3/98 2:54 PM
Hello friends
Today I've been wondering about: hair.
First subject $crooge. At the old comic shop the other day, I just =
looked
over a story where $mD was dreaming about the young days, where he had =
long
brown hair. In that story he's sad that he's now what the writer calls
bald.
I read for some time ago that in the american publication of Lo$, that =
$
had brown hair until he was frightened by something and it turned =
white. In
the danish version it's white all through the series. But I do remember
something about, that in my greek Komix no. 100 he had brown hair. =
What's
Barks' meaning about that question? anyone?
Second subject: Gyro Gearloose, the madcap inventor.
I've always wondered what those strings on the hat were for, the ones =
that
go down under his chin...
Today I read a story in a socalled gift-booklet (GH in danish) no. 16 =
of
that kind.
US 81 in this comic is about Gyro Gearloose. He faints in this story =
and
his hat and WIG falls of, and it is revealed that he's totally bald; =
one of
the scientists in the story has always had an idea bout this but...
In another story I remember, perhaps it was by Paul Murry, Gyro was =
just
bald on the top of the head (he had only a circle of hair).
But in most stories it's my impression that he is not bald at all, what =
was
Barks' original idea of how Gyro's hair should be, Rosa what do you =
think
of the case?
Donald=20
Duck, where he was trying to make money from a hair restorer salesman. =
The salesman was offering "double your money back" if it didn't grow=20
hair. Donald's plan was to buy a bunch of bottles and get double his=20
money back since ducks can't grow hair. I think he did eventually turn =
into a great big ball of hair, but his initial thoughts were that ducks =
weren't supposed to have hair. Of course, all of Scrooge's girlfriends =
have full heads of hair (maybe wigs?) when Daisy has no hair at all. I =
think all of the main characters (ducks) in the duck stories have=20
feathers on top with no hair, but a lot of the villain ducks and minor=20
character ducks seem to have hair. HMM......
I also remember a story with Gyro where his hat was off. He =
had=20
a little bald circle of skin on top (where his hat would go) with=20
feathers around that.
Tom Moss
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Subject: Hair: $crooge and Gyro
Author: "Anders Chr. Siveb=B5k" [SMTP:(Email removed)] at MSXGATE
Date: 8/3/98 2:54 PM
Hello friends
Today I've been wondering about: hair.
First subject $crooge. At the old comic shop the other day, I just =
looked
over a story where $mD was dreaming about the young days, where he had =
long
brown hair. In that story he's sad that he's now what the writer calls
bald.
I read for some time ago that in the american publication of Lo$, that =
$
had brown hair until he was frightened by something and it turned =
white. In
the danish version it's white all through the series. But I do remember
something about, that in my greek Komix no. 100 he had brown hair. =
What's
Barks' meaning about that question? anyone?
Second subject: Gyro Gearloose, the madcap inventor.
I've always wondered what those strings on the hat were for, the ones =
that
go down under his chin...
Today I read a story in a socalled gift-booklet (GH in danish) no. 16 =
of
that kind.
US 81 in this comic is about Gyro Gearloose. He faints in this story =
and
his hat and WIG falls of, and it is revealed that he's totally bald; =
one of
the scientists in the story has always had an idea bout this but...
In another story I remember, perhaps it was by Paul Murry, Gyro was =
just
bald on the top of the head (he had only a circle of hair).
But in most stories it's my impression that he is not bald at all, what =
was
Barks' original idea of how Gyro's hair should be, Rosa what do you =
think
of the case?
Anders Chr. Sivebæk
Zapotec, Marlin
Message 44 -
1998-08-04 at 02:47:31
to Claudia Rege Cambrin
Thanks for your help, I will read that story now, I just found this:
JB 89g I TL 1584-A 27 3 -> MDV MM Fodbold-v=E6ddem=E5l
[writ:MMa?]
| [app:GO,Zapotec,Marlin]
| [ser:MM-time-machine]
| [origpg:36] [date:86-04-06]
| dk: JB 89
But I see now, that "your" story has an earlier story code, but if you =
can
get to read that story (The title means Soccer-bet), it is great.=20
Anders Christian
Thanks for your help, I will read that story now, I just found this:
JB 89g I TL 1584-A 27 3 -> MDV MM Fodbold-v=E6ddem=E5l
[writ:MMa?]
| [app:GO,Zapotec,Marlin]
| [ser:MM-time-machine]
| [origpg:36] [date:86-04-06]
| dk: JB 89
But I see now, that "your" story has an earlier story code, but if you =
can
get to read that story (The title means Soccer-bet), it is great.=20
Anders Christian
Anders Chr. Sivebæk
Scandinavian Goldbooks
Message 45 -
1998-08-04 at 03:09:09
Hello again
Every year since 1984 a Goldbook has been published in Denmark and Sweden
(I don't now about Norway, tell me!) The books contain only Barks material,
and I have, myself the three newest ones. Now I would like to now, from all
you writers and Egmont-people (I don't know how many there are here): what
is in the new Goldbook? Are you allowed to tell any non-colleauge, before
the book is published? I have actually made a list myself, of what I think
should be in the book. Please answer me
Anders Christian
(Email removed)
Every year since 1984 a Goldbook has been published in Denmark and Sweden
(I don't now about Norway, tell me!) The books contain only Barks material,
and I have, myself the three newest ones. Now I would like to now, from all
you writers and Egmont-people (I don't know how many there are here): what
is in the new Goldbook? Are you allowed to tell any non-colleauge, before
the book is published? I have actually made a list myself, of what I think
should be in the book. Please answer me
Anders Christian
(Email removed)