Keskustelujen arkisto

Hello,

Anders Chr. Siveb=E6k wrote:

> Harry is absolutely right.
> We don't talk much about the mice.

DITTO!

> Maybe I read the wrong stories, because it's only
> in this last year that I really discovered Paul Murry's
> work, and other persons works (Floyd Gott....
> (how's the name spelled?) and Romano Scarpa)

> Well then, would any of you recommend some stories
> for me to read, to get more fond of these, and other
> great mice-artists?

Try this
page:http://www.update.uu.se/~starback/disney-comics/creators/floyd-got=
tfredson.html

It's really complete!
And you'll learn to love that great Artistwho answers the name of
Floyd Gottfredson

> Actually I have the impression that both Mickey and Goofy
> have many relatives, but there has not been made a family
> tree, or has there?

No, I can't recall of any Mickey family tree.
But surely Goffy has at least one in and old W coded story that now I
don't recall where he tells to his nephew Gilbert about his fierce
ancestors

- Paolo
http://www.confor.it:2222/disney

Don:

> Sometimes I forget that we're in some weird sorta time warp that is
> accelerating time more each year!!! It baffles science!

Time warp? Nope, you're just getting old. ;-) As we all are... |=B4-(

*Oh it was hard to ressist the urge to send the whole #194 list as
quotation... I think that some would have considered it ironic... I
would have

Teme

G'day,

First, an eloquent rebuttal.

Ole 'RoC' Reichstein Nielsen wrote

>[...] a six page Tintin(!) article.
[..]
>No, I don't like the magazine very much anymore, and the Tintin article
>just hit the nail into the head...

Hey! I love Tintin!

Ok, well, back to disney comics. Actually, this isn't quite on topic to
start with, but it'll get there, trust me . . . I picked one issue of a
four part non-Disney series by William Van Horn a few years ago in a
second hand shop.It was called Tracker, I think it was published by
Blackthorne. I remember that the Tracker of the title was an
anthropomorphic cat, and that the particular issue was lampooning
superheroes alongside the World War II spy plot. Anyway, the teaser for
the next issue announced it as The Funny Animal Follies (from memory).
I've never seen this other issue anywhere, but, considering Van Horn's
current employment, I think it would be interesting to see how he dealt
with funny animals. Does anyone have any information for me? (If you
consider it too far off topic, could you reply to me personally?)

Aha! This bit is definitely on topic (and about the mouse, too): I know
that last time Gladstone were planning to publish Gottfredson's "Mickey
Mouse in the Foreign Legion", they were told it was too violent for a
newstand comic book (which I always thought was funny, seeing the
superhero comics on the shelves), but anyway, now that WDC&S is no
longer a newstand comic book, howzabout seeing it? I've only got it in
the relettered Abbeyville Press edition, and I wouldn't mind seeing a
better version, or having it more widely available. Hmm, actually, I
can't remember whether there were racist parts as well which contributed
to the ban, all I remember is that violence was quoted as the reason.

And it looks like I'm alone in preferring the pink faced Mickey. The
fact that the white face doesn't obscure facial expressions is a good
argument for my opponents, and I can't support my own preference with
anything better than my personal feelings . . aw, but he looks all
washed out and faint with a white face! Oh well.

And, lastly . . . so, Gyro doesn't look like a chicken? Well, Mickey
doesn't look like any mouse I've ever seen, either!

Cheers,

Owen.

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Marco Barlotti:
>I'm wondering. Did they REALLY make collections of "Paperino" the
>fortnightly comic book? You know, those thin, US-format comics? Aren't you
>mistaking it with a collection of "Paperino Mese" the MONTHLY comic book?
No, I think Francesco is right. They REALLY made such collections, putting
four issues at a time together of "Paperino". As a matter of fact, the only
four numbers of "Paperino" I own come from a collection.

Ole 'RoC' Reichstein Nielsen:
>The name "Sorte Klat" for the Phantom Blot was indeed Danish from
>his first(?) appearance in Danish in 1965. 20 years later some
>juvenile leftwing/anarchist group used the name in connection with
>demonstrations (riots).
That's funny: the name "Macchia Nera" (the Italian name for the Phantom
Blot) is used by a similar group here in Pisa, Italy.
It seems this character has a special appealing for leftwings...

About the "Notre Duck" story, I would have never thought such a discussion
would come out of this subject! My 2-cent opinion is that Notre Duck IS a
church, and although there are no OBVIOUS references to religion (no
crosses, no Holy Mother paintings..) many of the things portrayed are quite
typical of gothic churches. For instance, the dragon affresco looks like
many "St George and the dragon" similar paintings I have seen in churches,
and the organ, and the bells...
On the other way, there are guards in the building, so the theory of it
being a museum is possible. I prefer the church theory, though. In spite of
this, I found nothing offensive in the story.
HDL shooting arrows and then taking a dog inside the church maybe sounded
strange, but both were plenty justified by the situation, so I really found
it not offensive (and I would disapprove shooting and dogs inside a museum
as well).

About the building, Christopher E. Barat wrote:
>Of course, I always had trouble taking the idea of Gothic building in
>Duckburg seriously, so perhaps I simply filed this away as an "imaginary
>story" not worth getting riled over...
Well, obviously Notre Duck cannot be an ORIGINAL gothic building dating
back from the middle ages, but I think in America there are many
gothic-style buildings from the 19th century or even more recent. I have a
photo of my mother in front of a gothic-looking church in New York.

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<more interested in the ducks. There is so much "hype" for Mickey that Donald
and his clan always seem to be lost in the crowd.

Lynne in Illinois

Hello
I have absolutely nothing to say about the Notre Duck...
But could any of you comics artists or writers here, make
a rewrite of the Golden Apples story? Or at least a story,
including the elements Barks has already mentioned...

Anders Christian (my last name is Sivebaek, whit the ae together, like in
Per's Starbaeck/Starback; maybe I should write Sivebak?)
(Email removed)

M I C K E Y

Phew! It's surely uncommon to have 4 digests to catch up with
in just a bit more than 24 hours... :-)

DON M.

> "Springboard" is the initial step in writing a
> comics story.

I learned something new, thanks.

> One of the drawbacks to freelancing is that no
> matter how well you plan, there occasionally appear
> annoying little gaps in your income.

:-)

FRANCESCO, FRANCOIS, CLAUDIA

Francesco:
>>I've been reading Disney comics since I was 3 and never stopped.

Francois:
>>Reading at 3? Maybe some stories with very few text. I think a 3
>>years-old can hardly understand stories like "Paperino e i gamberi in
>>salmi".

Claudia:
>I could not read at 3, but my mother tells me that she used to read me
>Disney comics, and one of my favourites then was "Zio Paperone e le
>Lenticchie di Babilonia". I must take her word here, because I really don't
>remember.

Well, if we don't trust our moms, whom will we ever trust ? :-)

According to my mom, I begun reading at 3, too, and it was on a Barks
story, "Knights of the Flying Sleds". She says she remembers the sleds
and the bear chase, and swears that my first read-out-loud words were:
"Odd Bodkins! And a Thousand Gadzooks!" (well, the Italian version, of
course, which went "Per mille draghi spelacchiati!" :-)

Now, there's obviously a difference between being technically able to
read and actually understanding what you're "reading", but that's how
we all start, sooner or later...

I have no memories of this episode myself either, but I can remember
being able to tell a Barks or Scarpa story from the others at around
6, too.

FRANCESCO

>I actually believed that the sardine rain was a real thing (as the name
>Tegucigalpa was; I had checked it out, and if that name, so strange, was
>true, then it all had to be).

Here's another example of how educational comics can be for kids.
The existence of a real place with such a funny name like Tegucigalpa, and
its location, was revealed to me by Romano Scarpa, too.

On the other hand, as we can see, comics can also communicate the belief
that
in that real place with a funny name it is *really* raining sardines...
and
that could lead to all sorts of serious problems with the psyche of the
young
'uns when they grow up... especially if they move to Honduras... ;-)))

>it's really great to finally be able to ta. .
>er, write ;-) about these things with somebody!!

Yay! I know how it feels :-)

OLE

>the Danish fanzine "Carl Barks & Co"

>There's even a comment by some
>Peter Bengtsen about "Regression in Donald Duck" claiming
>that the stories are getting duller and duller, and too
>predictable. He then lists five basic plots in newer Italian
>stories (forgetting the increasingly popular alien visitors).

>This would have been justifiable arguments ten years ago,
>but in recent years the Egmont stories have improved most
>dramatically.

I don't know much about Danish stories, but Bengtsen's reference here
seems to be to Italian stories... and I must admit I jotted down some
lines myself on the same subject of "Regression in Donald Duck",
provisionally titled "Portrait of the Duck as a Young Fowl"
(not very original, probably :-)

>No, I don't like the magazine very much anymore, and the
>Tintin article just hit the nail into the head...

Why, poor Tintin? I love it! It's just because he butted in in
a Duck-only publication ?

>Speaking of New Adventures (and going a bit off-topic), I've
>been following the new "The Spirit - The New Adventures", in
>which the publishers, Kitchen Sink Enterprises, have some of
>the top names in the business create new stories with the
>classic crime fighter.

I want this!!!

DAVID (same subject)

>A lot of comics fans, great hobbyists and scholars that they
>often are, seem to be in the game to focus on nostalgia. Nothing wrong
>with that, but part of nostalgia is the inherent proclamation that the
>past is better than the present.

I can partially recognize myself in this picture, I admit, and starting
a proper discussion could lead us far...

It is also rather difficult to explain the reasoning behind favoring
the "old stuff" more than the modern one to the guys who actually write
and draw said modern stuff without offending anybody... but I'll try
nevertheless.

I was chatting about authors with a friend, a coupla days ago, and he
pointed out that he didn't consider Gottfredson a "proper" comics
author, since his medium (the daily strips) required a different graphic
attitude and, especially, because the contents of his stories had a much
more adult content than the comics stories had.

This is exactly what I miss in most "modern" Disney comics.

I've read those Gottfredson, and Barks, and Scarpa stories at 3, at 6,
at 12, 18, 25... I'm 41 and still reading them, and every time I discover
something new that went unnoticed the previous time I read them, because
I lacked some cultural skills that I had acquired in the meantime...

It's what I call multi-level writing, where children enjoy the funny
animals'
antics, kids get the gags and the sense of adventure, and adults could
enjoy
some intellectual tickling as well...

Now, please don't forget we're talking 'bout Gottfredson, Barks and Scarpa
here (alright, the third is facultative), universally recognized as the
best Disney authors ever. Can someone be blamed if he prefers that stuff
over the current stories ?

But you get to the interesting point here:

>>... Maybe it's easier to uphold that
>>attitude when you don't look at the present product, so a lot of fans
>>don't - in the case of both Disney and non-Disney comics.

Again, this was my case for years (although I looked at A LOT of
non-Disney
comics, then), until, some 10 years ago, I noticed a new title on the
shelves, that was pure Nostalgia with the capital N.
It was called "Zio Paperone", and was entirely devoted to reprinting the
whole Barksian corpus of work, as you know very well.

I started collecting that, and browsing through other Disney titles as
well, and one day, unavoidably, I stumbled into Don Rosa...

Well, this restored all my long lost enthusiasm in Disney comics, and I
became a fan again. It seemed like a renaissance, sort of, every day
a new wonderful author turned up, after Rosa I "discovered" Van Horn,
Jippes, Branca, Vicar, Ferioli... and I found Marco Rota again, and
that Scarpa, Bottaro and Carpi were still active... well, you know the
rest... I'm here, now :-)

What I mean is that it was the love for the dear old stuff to bring me
back "on tracks", and discover that there *is* indeed "modern" good
stuff, too. Among which I also put your stories, too, of which,
however, I only have 5 so far... it's also a matter of exposition, and
I don't think Danish material is treated at the best of possibilities
in Italy, with stories sort of "compressed" into the MEGA 2000 pocket,
mixed with the Brazilian ones.

The best Duck stories go on Zio Paperone, but Mickey stories are rarely
seen, and never long ones. Hope the publishing of your "King Pest" on
the current "Topomistery" is a good sign.

>Some exciting duck and mouse epics are lurking on the horizon at Egmont
> - probably at GP and Disney Italy too.

Er... about the latter... what was that, about the fifth emendament... ;-)

STEVEN R.

>Jack Bradbury was an animator who started moonlighting comics at the Sangopr
>Shop in 1943 or so...

Thank you very very much for all these info. I ignored all about his
non-Disney work.

>In
>1960 or so, he switched over to mainly the overseas Disney comics production,
>and mostly writing. (I have some stories I think he drew for Western in c1968
>but apparently penciled only.)

He surely did draw *lots* of stories in the sixties, too, for the
S-program
mainly, as you point out. Could you please tell more about him as a
writer ?

Cheers

Eta Beta