Hello,
OLE wrote:
>I'm glad to see the interest my little summer contest regarding
>relative lengths of comic collections aroused, and humbly admit
>defeat to Paolo Castogno, who outdid me with a full 50% increase:
>no less than 30 meters/100 feet of disney comics.
>At most half of which may be Topolino: approximately 55 feet for
>a full collection, as far as I can figure (and only two thirds of
>an issue being comics). I know there are a LOT of different titles
>in Italy, but only the reprint titles (Classici Disney) can come
>even close to Topolino in volume... or should I say length?
>So I wonder what the rest are? The much-discussed "Paperinik -
>New Adventures" is only about half a foot, but I know next to
>nothing about titles like "Minni".
Well, a chanche to talk.. er.. write, I mean, about my favourite
subject: Myself! ;-)
In detail my Disney collection, that I didn't consider so much
impressive (maybe "real" collectors doesn't use Internet) is as
follows, and don't be surprised that I have the exact amount of them:
I work as a DB designer, it's my work to organize data! ;-)
Topolino 1523
Topolino Estate 2
Classici Prima serie 56
Classici Seconda Serie 235 (the last ones are very poor!)
Classici Speciali 42
Almanacco Topolino 233
Albi d'Oro 5
Albi della Rosa 9
Albi di Topolino 155 (I bought the last one just today)
Super Almanacco Paperino 73 (both first and second runs)
Grandi Classici Disney 84
Zio Paperone 106
Speciale Paperino 3
Paperino & C. 99 (does someone has #99 for sale?)
Le Grandi Parodie 54
I grandi maestri Disney 16
I maestri Disney 10
Oscar Mondadori 16
Le Grandi Storie di Walt Disney 21
Topostrips 3
Pippo e... 1
Pippo 2
Il Tascabilone 9
Fumetti in Scatola 1
Topolino d'Oro 4
Paperino d'Oro 6
Topolino - Corriere dello Sport 10
L'Economia di Zio Paperone 58
Volumi Messaggero 3
Topomistery 18
Paperinik 18
PKna 25
Noi Due 2
Minni 1
Fumetti stranieri 54 (From many countries)
Paperfantasy 5
Giovani Marmotte 1
Topoadventure 1
Topolino Sport 1
Libri Mondadori 6
Collana Cerchio Verde 2
Walt Disney presenta... 3
Stella d'oro 1
Piccoli Gioielli 1
Avventure e Vacanze 1
Speciale Topolino 2000 1
Disney MEGAzine 75
Paperino Ed. Olmeda 3
D.U.C.K. 2
TOTALE 3034
>Hey, not that I DOUBT you, Paolo, I'm just curious! :-)
Hope your curiosty has been satisfied! ;-)
>Claudia wondered how on earth one would store such an amount of
>comics. Since I don't have an underground vault I have to cheat:
>I use both sides of the shelves...
That's my BIG problem: I store them vertically, so to use as much
space as possible on each shelf, but I made some statistics, and I
realized that on March 1999 I'll be out of space! In my room there are
enough shelves on the walls, even because I collect even other titles
that Disney, so my only chanche is to find an hill where to build a
giant bin.... hum... where do have I already heard about such a
building???
Ciao,
- Paolo
http://www.confor.it:2222/disney
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Paolo Castagno
Comics collections
Message 136 -
1998-08-07 at 23:47:31
Per-Erik Malmström
Carl Barks & Co.
Message 137 -
1998-08-07 at 23:59:42
ANDERS:
> Sadly the page doesn't say how to get this fanzine.
A lot of issues are sold-out and may only(?) be obtained as photocopies=
if
you buy all 25 issues at once for 600 Danish kr. Prices for individual
issues are 18 - 38,50 Danish kr.
Order from:
Fo=A8rlaget SEJD
v / Paw Mathiasen
Mysundegade 9, st.
DK-1668 Copenhagen V
DENMARK
giro 6 72 79 64
In your description of the contents of no.25 you forgot to mention the
commentary by Peter Bengtsen. It's about our feathered friends.
Best,
Per-Erik=20
> Sadly the page doesn't say how to get this fanzine.
A lot of issues are sold-out and may only(?) be obtained as photocopies=
if
you buy all 25 issues at once for 600 Danish kr. Prices for individual
issues are 18 - 38,50 Danish kr.
Order from:
Fo=A8rlaget SEJD
v / Paw Mathiasen
Mysundegade 9, st.
DK-1668 Copenhagen V
DENMARK
giro 6 72 79 64
In your description of the contents of no.25 you forgot to mention the
commentary by Peter Bengtsen. It's about our feathered friends.
Best,
Per-Erik=20
Bhc
Disney comics Digest V98 #188
Message 138 -
1998-08-08 at 00:43:50
To Halsten:
You recollect something I wrote so long ago? I'm flattered!
When I jotted those remarks concerning the one-pager that had Scrooge
stating his age, I was not thinking of how it flew in the face of "facts."
I simply took Scrooge (Barks) at his word. I also didn't think that maybe
this one-pager took place at an earlier time than its published appearance.
Again, there was nothing to indicate that such an assumption could or
should be made.
But I'm glad you find this fact worthy of discussion. And, while I like to
stick to the idea that a story occurs around its date of first publication
(unless the story itself establishes a different timeframe - or it's by Don
Rosa), your idea of moving the occurrence of this one a bit is reasonable
enough. It's hardly the most egregious "correction" that's been made in the
continuing effort to forge a relatively consistent Barksian continuity.
Real life is a relentless stream of contradictions. No reason our fiction
shouldn't be able to bear up under a few.
Gary Gabner
Gary
****************************
"It's either very new cheese or very old meat." - Oscar Madison
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Gladstone on the Web: http://www.brucehamilton.com
You recollect something I wrote so long ago? I'm flattered!
When I jotted those remarks concerning the one-pager that had Scrooge
stating his age, I was not thinking of how it flew in the face of "facts."
I simply took Scrooge (Barks) at his word. I also didn't think that maybe
this one-pager took place at an earlier time than its published appearance.
Again, there was nothing to indicate that such an assumption could or
should be made.
But I'm glad you find this fact worthy of discussion. And, while I like to
stick to the idea that a story occurs around its date of first publication
(unless the story itself establishes a different timeframe - or it's by Don
Rosa), your idea of moving the occurrence of this one a bit is reasonable
enough. It's hardly the most egregious "correction" that's been made in the
continuing effort to forge a relatively consistent Barksian continuity.
Real life is a relentless stream of contradictions. No reason our fiction
shouldn't be able to bear up under a few.
Gary Gabner
Gary
****************************
"It's either very new cheese or very old meat." - Oscar Madison
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Gladstone on the Web: http://www.brucehamilton.com
Katie Sullivan
Replies and new comics
Message 139 -
1998-08-08 at 01:07:26
> Steamboat Willie,
I loved your explanation of Gyro's hair. Funny! (Yet plausible!)
> Sorry, if I spoiled your day. However, don't you think that
> most of the Disney characters at some point have experienced
> thier own double?
This is somewhat off-topic, but on the Darkwing Duck cartoon show, the title character's evil twin
was so popular that he became a regular character, used repeatedly (Negaduck).
> Lynne wrote: Everyone stand up and be counted. I have oft wondered how many are from US.
Wisconsin, USA, here.
> Anders wrote:
> KATIE, Have you noticed my mentioning of the "Mystery of the
> Ghost-town Rail-road" story? Could you at least tell me what
> the name of those two women are, $crooge seems to have
> had a good friend in the "old" one...
Oh, yes, I noticed. I keep forgetting to mention it.I believe the name of the older duck lady was
Katie, actually! (No relation! ;-)
I can't remember her daughter's name. I'll have to look that one up.
"Katie"(?) and Scrooge did seem to be old friends, but I didn't sense any romance.
> BTW you use manny smileys could you explain to me what
> this one means ":-P" is it a person sticking the tongue out or what??
Good detective work! Yes, :-p is a person sticking out their tounge.:-) smile
:-( sad
;-) wink
>:-( angry
:-o surprised
Claudio:
> Katie:
> >>Can anyone elaborate or even provide scans, (hint, hint)? :-)
> Finally I found this story in my collection. I'll do some scans, but need=
> a day or two...
Oh, THANK YOU! Thanks a million times! :-)
By the way, everyone, I recently got my hands on the latest Gladstone issues, so here's my usual
review, with some spoilers...
WD Comics (& Stories) #628
1. "Officer for a Day". Ironically, I just read the first story in an old issue from my
collection. I thought it was very cute, and I loved the alien jokes. And using "Purgatory Cherubs"
instead of "Hell's Angels" was pretty darn clever.
2. "Bats in the Belfry". As you know, The Mouse isn't my favorite, but this was an okay story. Did
it seem to anyone else on page 3 that Mickey and Minnie were eating breakfast together? I mean,
Mickey gets up, finds the newspaper, gets dressed, and it at the tabel eating cereal with Minnie in
the space of 3 panels. Did they spend the night together? ;-) Not a bad Mouse story, but I've
never liked that trio of ugly monkey scientist, though.
3. "The Hopeless Helper". A Goofy-Gyro crossover at first rubbed me the wrong way, but it turned out
to be a cute story. The characters interacted believably.
4. "Good Deed Daze". Aha! Another duck/wolf crossover! How odd! Big Bad Wolf wanted to EAT
HD&L! Yikes!!!
5. "The Chase". I'm sure some will groan at another old movie spinoff story, but Fox and the Hound
was one of my favorites as a small child, so I really enjoyed this one.
6. Both the 1-page Goofy gag and the "Fishing for Trouble" Mickey story put new twists on old,
overused themes. Two thumbs up! (Or, since it's two stories, perhaps that should be 4?)
7. "Salesman Donald". More classic Barks. Always a treat. Hurray!
Moving on to Uncle Scrooge #313...What a shame that the DD title didn't last to issue #313 (Donald's
liscence plate). Perhaps someday....
1. "Trapped in Castle Rollingstein". The vampire theme was just used in the Mickey story mentioned
above, so at first that seemed a bit old, but the author can hardly be faulted for the publishing
coincidence. Overall, I liked this story a lot. The characters were true to Barks, I thought, and I
was LOL at the reference to Plain Awful.
2. "Mickey's Secret Ambition." What the heck is this doing in the Uncle Scrooge title??? Shouldn't
U$ be a haven for duck-lovers? Mickey already got a lot of coverage in WDC&S this month! Blah!
Still, this wasn't a bad story. Goofy was funny.
3. Taliaferro strips. I like these, maybe due to the simpleness of the gags, clever but squeezed
into tiny little lines of drawings. I love the look on Donald's face when he gets angry. Although
I must look silly, tipping the comic on its side to read them. :-)
4. "The Fantastic River Race". Well, if an issue of U$ has to be Rosa-free, this is the next-best
thing. Not only vintage Barks, but a Barks story that inspired part of Lo$! What a great idea to
reprint this now, for people who don't have the old "Uncle Scrooge goes to Disneyland" digest. I
have a post-1957 reprint, but in a tiny digest on lousy paper, so I was glad to get a nice copy.
On a related note, I am 2 chapters away from finishing reading Lo$ out loud with my mother. Her eyes
get all sore from reading comics, so I relieved the burden by reading it for her, and pointing out
all the background gags that she might otherwise miss. And I have fun doing all those accents! ;-)
Mother-daughter bonding. Yay.
Anyway, I'll end this post before it starts lightning again. My computer doesn't need a umpteen
jillion watts through it!
Katie Quackfaster
I loved your explanation of Gyro's hair. Funny! (Yet plausible!)
> Sorry, if I spoiled your day. However, don't you think that
> most of the Disney characters at some point have experienced
> thier own double?
This is somewhat off-topic, but on the Darkwing Duck cartoon show, the title character's evil twin
was so popular that he became a regular character, used repeatedly (Negaduck).
> Lynne wrote: Everyone stand up and be counted. I have oft wondered how many are from US.
Wisconsin, USA, here.
> Anders wrote:
> KATIE, Have you noticed my mentioning of the "Mystery of the
> Ghost-town Rail-road" story? Could you at least tell me what
> the name of those two women are, $crooge seems to have
> had a good friend in the "old" one...
Oh, yes, I noticed. I keep forgetting to mention it.I believe the name of the older duck lady was
Katie, actually! (No relation! ;-)
I can't remember her daughter's name. I'll have to look that one up.
"Katie"(?) and Scrooge did seem to be old friends, but I didn't sense any romance.
> BTW you use manny smileys could you explain to me what
> this one means ":-P" is it a person sticking the tongue out or what??
Good detective work! Yes, :-p is a person sticking out their tounge.:-) smile
:-( sad
;-) wink
>:-( angry
:-o surprised
Claudio:
> Katie:
> >>Can anyone elaborate or even provide scans, (hint, hint)? :-)
> Finally I found this story in my collection. I'll do some scans, but need=
> a day or two...
Oh, THANK YOU! Thanks a million times! :-)
By the way, everyone, I recently got my hands on the latest Gladstone issues, so here's my usual
review, with some spoilers...
WD Comics (& Stories) #628
1. "Officer for a Day". Ironically, I just read the first story in an old issue from my
collection. I thought it was very cute, and I loved the alien jokes. And using "Purgatory Cherubs"
instead of "Hell's Angels" was pretty darn clever.
2. "Bats in the Belfry". As you know, The Mouse isn't my favorite, but this was an okay story. Did
it seem to anyone else on page 3 that Mickey and Minnie were eating breakfast together? I mean,
Mickey gets up, finds the newspaper, gets dressed, and it at the tabel eating cereal with Minnie in
the space of 3 panels. Did they spend the night together? ;-) Not a bad Mouse story, but I've
never liked that trio of ugly monkey scientist, though.
3. "The Hopeless Helper". A Goofy-Gyro crossover at first rubbed me the wrong way, but it turned out
to be a cute story. The characters interacted believably.
4. "Good Deed Daze". Aha! Another duck/wolf crossover! How odd! Big Bad Wolf wanted to EAT
HD&L! Yikes!!!
5. "The Chase". I'm sure some will groan at another old movie spinoff story, but Fox and the Hound
was one of my favorites as a small child, so I really enjoyed this one.
6. Both the 1-page Goofy gag and the "Fishing for Trouble" Mickey story put new twists on old,
overused themes. Two thumbs up! (Or, since it's two stories, perhaps that should be 4?)
7. "Salesman Donald". More classic Barks. Always a treat. Hurray!
Moving on to Uncle Scrooge #313...What a shame that the DD title didn't last to issue #313 (Donald's
liscence plate). Perhaps someday....
1. "Trapped in Castle Rollingstein". The vampire theme was just used in the Mickey story mentioned
above, so at first that seemed a bit old, but the author can hardly be faulted for the publishing
coincidence. Overall, I liked this story a lot. The characters were true to Barks, I thought, and I
was LOL at the reference to Plain Awful.
2. "Mickey's Secret Ambition." What the heck is this doing in the Uncle Scrooge title??? Shouldn't
U$ be a haven for duck-lovers? Mickey already got a lot of coverage in WDC&S this month! Blah!
Still, this wasn't a bad story. Goofy was funny.
3. Taliaferro strips. I like these, maybe due to the simpleness of the gags, clever but squeezed
into tiny little lines of drawings. I love the look on Donald's face when he gets angry. Although
I must look silly, tipping the comic on its side to read them. :-)
4. "The Fantastic River Race". Well, if an issue of U$ has to be Rosa-free, this is the next-best
thing. Not only vintage Barks, but a Barks story that inspired part of Lo$! What a great idea to
reprint this now, for people who don't have the old "Uncle Scrooge goes to Disneyland" digest. I
have a post-1957 reprint, but in a tiny digest on lousy paper, so I was glad to get a nice copy.
On a related note, I am 2 chapters away from finishing reading Lo$ out loud with my mother. Her eyes
get all sore from reading comics, so I relieved the burden by reading it for her, and pointing out
all the background gags that she might otherwise miss. And I have fun doing all those accents! ;-)
Mother-daughter bonding. Yay.
Anyway, I'll end this post before it starts lightning again. My computer doesn't need a umpteen
jillion watts through it!
Katie Quackfaster
Paolo Castagno
Double blots
Message 140 -
1998-08-08 at 01:43:48
SOEREN about the two blots:
>don't you think that
>most of the Disney characters at some point have experienced
>thier own double? So, why not the Phamtom Blot?
I like doubles if they are good characters, like Gottfredson's
"Mickey's dangerous double" (YM 131), but if the double of such a
STRONG character as PB is a white ghost running a laundry.... well,
it's not my piece of cake!
- Paolo
http://www.confor.it:2222/disney
>don't you think that
>most of the Disney characters at some point have experienced
>thier own double? So, why not the Phamtom Blot?
I like doubles if they are good characters, like Gottfredson's
"Mickey's dangerous double" (YM 131), but if the double of such a
STRONG character as PB is a white ghost running a laundry.... well,
it's not my piece of cake!
- Paolo
http://www.confor.it:2222/disney
Paolo Castagno
Lynne about statistics
Message 141 -
1998-08-08 at 02:00:07
Hello,
LYNNE wrote:
>>How many Germans are there contributing to this list?
>How many Danes?
>Everyone stand up and be counted. I have oft wondered how many are
from US.
Don't know if it can help, but about an year ago I made a little
survey via web about us DML maniacs, I didn't received many answers,
but here there are the results of the statistics about us:
-- -- Follows a previously sent message -- --
This is the last page of the International Disney Survey, Well, the
average age
is lower than I expected, in fact I always think the "typical" Disney
fan who is
possible to meet in Italy is a little bit older than the resulting
average age of
28.3 years. We gained three female voters too, whose average age is
considerably lower: 20 years (the male-only average is 29 years). The
most
represented country in this survey resulted to be Norway, with the 25%
of
votes. This is the listing:
12 votes from NORWAY
8 votes from GERMANY
7 votes from ITALY
7 votes from USA
3 votes from DENMARK
2 votes from BRAZIL
2 votes from FINLAND
2 votes from SWEDEN
1 vote from AUSTRIA
1 vote from CANADA
1 vote from NEW ZEALAND
1 vote from SPAIN
1 vote from GREECE
A very poor result is from Sweden with just 2 voters... I was
expecting a lot of
voters from Sweden, Danemark and Finland...
The average age differs a lot by the country: the place with the older
(or
elder?) Disney fans is Germany with an average age of almost 38 years,
while
the younger are in Sweden:
AVG COUNTRY
-----------------
37.8 GERMANY
37 BRAZIL
35 GREECE
33 NEW ZEALAND
32.4 USA
32 ITALY
27.6 DENMARK
24 SPAIN
21 NORWAY
21 FINLAND
20 AUSTRIA
18 CANADA
17.5 SWEDEN
It is interesting to see how the average age of voters who said to
prefere
Donald or Scrooge is very similar, maybe it indicates that the
pre-Barksian
Donald didn't gained a lot of success being his fans the same ones of
Scrooge.
With the exception of H,D&L, Mickey is the charachter who likes more
to the
old ones, who, maybe, had the possibility to read some of his best
stories such
as Gottfredson's or Scarpa's (just like me...).
AVG CHARACHTER
------------------
42 H,L&D
33.4 Mickey Mouse
33 Black Pete
28.1 $crooge Mc Duck
28 Donald Duck
24.5 Magica de' Spell
19 Gyro Gearloose
14 Little Helper
The preferred story-writer as said some digests ago, resulted to be
Carl Barks
with 21 votes on Don Rosa with 18. But while Barks seems to be the
preferred one from the old ones, while Rosa is the one with the
younger fans at
all (maybe that they didn't read all Barks production yet?)
AVG AUTHOR
-----------------
37 David Gerstein
33.3 Carl Barks
32 Ted Osborne
30 Massimo de Vita
29.5 Romano Scarpa
28 Bill Walsh
22.2 Don Rosa
We can see the same result about the preferred artist: except for
Bottaro and
Noel Van Horn (who gained 1 vote each) Carl Barks is the preferred one
for
the old ones, while Rosa gains the sympathies of the younger ones.
AVG COUNTRY
-----------------
44 Luciano Bottaro
38 Noel Van Horn
37 Carl Barks
34.5 Silvia Ziche
29.5 Romano Scarpa
28 Marco Rota
26.75 Floyd Gottfredson
26.5 Giorgio Cavazzano
22.8 Don Rosa
Well, that's all the possible data I can extract from the DB, what we
can learn from this survey is tha surely Donald and $crooge have
beaten all the other charachters, and that WE mouse fans are getting
too old :-( Don is doing a great job, and he is probably the one who
is hooking the newest generations, while Barks reprints are
appreciated
only by the ones who read them before. (sigh!).
-- -- End of previous sent message -- --
Further datails on this now out-of-date survey can be found at
http://www.confor.it:2222/disney
Ciao,
- Paolo
LYNNE wrote:
>>How many Germans are there contributing to this list?
>How many Danes?
>Everyone stand up and be counted. I have oft wondered how many are
from US.
Don't know if it can help, but about an year ago I made a little
survey via web about us DML maniacs, I didn't received many answers,
but here there are the results of the statistics about us:
-- -- Follows a previously sent message -- --
This is the last page of the International Disney Survey, Well, the
average age
is lower than I expected, in fact I always think the "typical" Disney
fan who is
possible to meet in Italy is a little bit older than the resulting
average age of
28.3 years. We gained three female voters too, whose average age is
considerably lower: 20 years (the male-only average is 29 years). The
most
represented country in this survey resulted to be Norway, with the 25%
of
votes. This is the listing:
12 votes from NORWAY
8 votes from GERMANY
7 votes from ITALY
7 votes from USA
3 votes from DENMARK
2 votes from BRAZIL
2 votes from FINLAND
2 votes from SWEDEN
1 vote from AUSTRIA
1 vote from CANADA
1 vote from NEW ZEALAND
1 vote from SPAIN
1 vote from GREECE
A very poor result is from Sweden with just 2 voters... I was
expecting a lot of
voters from Sweden, Danemark and Finland...
The average age differs a lot by the country: the place with the older
(or
elder?) Disney fans is Germany with an average age of almost 38 years,
while
the younger are in Sweden:
AVG COUNTRY
-----------------
37.8 GERMANY
37 BRAZIL
35 GREECE
33 NEW ZEALAND
32.4 USA
32 ITALY
27.6 DENMARK
24 SPAIN
21 NORWAY
21 FINLAND
20 AUSTRIA
18 CANADA
17.5 SWEDEN
It is interesting to see how the average age of voters who said to
prefere
Donald or Scrooge is very similar, maybe it indicates that the
pre-Barksian
Donald didn't gained a lot of success being his fans the same ones of
Scrooge.
With the exception of H,D&L, Mickey is the charachter who likes more
to the
old ones, who, maybe, had the possibility to read some of his best
stories such
as Gottfredson's or Scarpa's (just like me...).
AVG CHARACHTER
------------------
42 H,L&D
33.4 Mickey Mouse
33 Black Pete
28.1 $crooge Mc Duck
28 Donald Duck
24.5 Magica de' Spell
19 Gyro Gearloose
14 Little Helper
The preferred story-writer as said some digests ago, resulted to be
Carl Barks
with 21 votes on Don Rosa with 18. But while Barks seems to be the
preferred one from the old ones, while Rosa is the one with the
younger fans at
all (maybe that they didn't read all Barks production yet?)
AVG AUTHOR
-----------------
37 David Gerstein
33.3 Carl Barks
32 Ted Osborne
30 Massimo de Vita
29.5 Romano Scarpa
28 Bill Walsh
22.2 Don Rosa
We can see the same result about the preferred artist: except for
Bottaro and
Noel Van Horn (who gained 1 vote each) Carl Barks is the preferred one
for
the old ones, while Rosa gains the sympathies of the younger ones.
AVG COUNTRY
-----------------
44 Luciano Bottaro
38 Noel Van Horn
37 Carl Barks
34.5 Silvia Ziche
29.5 Romano Scarpa
28 Marco Rota
26.75 Floyd Gottfredson
26.5 Giorgio Cavazzano
22.8 Don Rosa
Well, that's all the possible data I can extract from the DB, what we
can learn from this survey is tha surely Donald and $crooge have
beaten all the other charachters, and that WE mouse fans are getting
too old :-( Don is doing a great job, and he is probably the one who
is hooking the newest generations, while Barks reprints are
appreciated
only by the ones who read them before. (sigh!).
-- -- End of previous sent message -- --
Further datails on this now out-of-date survey can be found at
http://www.confor.it:2222/disney
Ciao,
- Paolo
Eric Chun
Gyro Gearloose
Message 142 -
1998-08-08 at 04:30:03
Don wrote:
>Why do I see people say that Gyro is a chicken? Of course,
>I know he's a human being drawn, for unknown and
>unimportant reasons, to resemble a bird. But not a chicken.
>That's not a chicken beak... chickens have pointy beaks
>for pecking -- it's a hookbill, such as a parrot has for nut-
>cracking. But he's white. So he's obviously supposed to be
>a cockatoo. (And that's why I have a cockatoo named Gyro.)
Carl Barks (who created Gyro) said that Gyro is a chicken.
See you.
Eric
--
Eric Chun
(Email removed)
http://www.geocities.com/soho/cafe/6707
Updated: 8/1/98
>Why do I see people say that Gyro is a chicken? Of course,
>I know he's a human being drawn, for unknown and
>unimportant reasons, to resemble a bird. But not a chicken.
>That's not a chicken beak... chickens have pointy beaks
>for pecking -- it's a hookbill, such as a parrot has for nut-
>cracking. But he's white. So he's obviously supposed to be
>a cockatoo. (And that's why I have a cockatoo named Gyro.)
Carl Barks (who created Gyro) said that Gyro is a chicken.
See you.
Eric
--
Eric Chun
(Email removed)
http://www.geocities.com/soho/cafe/6707
Updated: 8/1/98
Ventnor
Notre Duck... A Rosa by any other name?
Message 143 -
1998-08-08 at 10:57:59
Don Rosa wrote:
??? Reread my message and tell me which words you didn't understand. My
point was pretty simple -- there *was no* reference to religion or Catholic
churches in Barks' "Phantom of Notre Duck", so I don't know what bit of that
story you would think *could* be censored. The building was obviously NOT a
church... it seemed to be a museum that occupied a building that
resembles old church architecture. This is frequently done with old closed
churches, turning them into museums or shops or restaurants. Is it
conceivable to you that for anyone, even Disney who censors
prunes-in-pockets out of stories, to want to censor architecture?
This posting seems to have a rather unfriendly tone, but no matter.... *My*
point was that the fact that there was no direct reference to religion or
(Catholic) churches in the story is irrelevant, simply because other Disney
stories have been censored for ridiculous reasons. I mean, if a story can be
censored simply because Daisy loses her temper, surely it's conceivable to
you that a story can be censored because some might perceive in it a veiled
slight to religion. What part could have been censored, you ask? The whole
of it.
I'm bewildered how you can say Notre Duck "was obviously NOT a church". On
the contrary, it has stained glass windows, a working pipe-organ, bells,
there is a reference to a "nave". . . . You seem to be saying that an object
X can have all the characteristics associated with an object Y, but still
fail to *be* the object Y. Well, this is certainly possible (as the
existence of counterfeit banknotes testifies), but to argue for this
possibility here is simply silly.
Maybe I'm Barksing up the wrong tree, but a Rosa by any other name.... :)
??? Reread my message and tell me which words you didn't understand. My
point was pretty simple -- there *was no* reference to religion or Catholic
churches in Barks' "Phantom of Notre Duck", so I don't know what bit of that
story you would think *could* be censored. The building was obviously NOT a
church... it seemed to be a museum that occupied a building that
resembles old church architecture. This is frequently done with old closed
churches, turning them into museums or shops or restaurants. Is it
conceivable to you that for anyone, even Disney who censors
prunes-in-pockets out of stories, to want to censor architecture?
This posting seems to have a rather unfriendly tone, but no matter.... *My*
point was that the fact that there was no direct reference to religion or
(Catholic) churches in the story is irrelevant, simply because other Disney
stories have been censored for ridiculous reasons. I mean, if a story can be
censored simply because Daisy loses her temper, surely it's conceivable to
you that a story can be censored because some might perceive in it a veiled
slight to religion. What part could have been censored, you ask? The whole
of it.
I'm bewildered how you can say Notre Duck "was obviously NOT a church". On
the contrary, it has stained glass windows, a working pipe-organ, bells,
there is a reference to a "nave". . . . You seem to be saying that an object
X can have all the characteristics associated with an object Y, but still
fail to *be* the object Y. Well, this is certainly possible (as the
existence of counterfeit banknotes testifies), but to argue for this
possibility here is simply silly.
Maybe I'm Barksing up the wrong tree, but a Rosa by any other name.... :)
Anders Chr. Sivebæk
Danish sequel for the golden Helmet
Message 144 -
1998-08-08 at 16:31:00
HERE WE GO AGAIN!
I was at the Old comics book store today,
where I had to find two Don Rosa comics to
send to a list member (He'll now who that is).
I found Don's sequel to Barks Golden Helmet-
story, The Lost Charts of Columbus (D 94144),
and I also found another sequel to the same
story. I have only seen that one in Danish, so here
is the explanation, Don and others.
In March 1989 The Danish Weekly had it's 40
years jubilee, and therefore there was a contest:
Make a comic, it didn't have to be a Disney-character-
comic. But when the publisher saw this sequel
"Reseeing the Golden Helmet" they new that had to be
the winner. The artists were two boys from 8th grade
(14 years old) and the whole class won a trip to Disney
World and the Disney MGM Studios. In october the
same year the story was published by Egmont/Gutenberghus
The stroy also has a front cover which is drawn by the two
boys, all though it looks very much like a Barks-oil-painting!
*SPOILERS* (all though the story is 9 years old!)
Of course there is a mentioning of the Barks-story first.
Uncle Scrooge is leaving after having had dinner at Donald's,
then he sees a book with a picture of that guy who found the
helmet (Azure Blue). Scrooge wants to go to Labrador, to be
king of North America. Gyro builds a diving bell, and they fly to
aplace 700 km from Labrador. They sail to the island and a
wave destroys the ship. Donald tries to push the Bell into the
sea but he goes with it. When he comes up again they go to
the bottom of the sea, where they find the helmet. Then
Glomgold turns up, and his diving bell beginns to fight with Scooge's.
$ uses a magnet and winns. BUT, the a museum wants to keep
the Helmet, because it's the states property. Guess who owns the
museum! (Yes his initials are $mD)
End of SPOILERS
Of course this strory is not official, but it was the first place
I read about the Helmet. I guess Don has not read it, but what
would you have done with it, it isn't Barks. And I haven't
looked in the index for it. I just WANTED to write something
about this, in my knowing, only published danish Disney-comic
drawn by kids/teenagers.
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End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #189
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I was at the Old comics book store today,
where I had to find two Don Rosa comics to
send to a list member (He'll now who that is).
I found Don's sequel to Barks Golden Helmet-
story, The Lost Charts of Columbus (D 94144),
and I also found another sequel to the same
story. I have only seen that one in Danish, so here
is the explanation, Don and others.
In March 1989 The Danish Weekly had it's 40
years jubilee, and therefore there was a contest:
Make a comic, it didn't have to be a Disney-character-
comic. But when the publisher saw this sequel
"Reseeing the Golden Helmet" they new that had to be
the winner. The artists were two boys from 8th grade
(14 years old) and the whole class won a trip to Disney
World and the Disney MGM Studios. In october the
same year the story was published by Egmont/Gutenberghus
The stroy also has a front cover which is drawn by the two
boys, all though it looks very much like a Barks-oil-painting!
*SPOILERS* (all though the story is 9 years old!)
Of course there is a mentioning of the Barks-story first.
Uncle Scrooge is leaving after having had dinner at Donald's,
then he sees a book with a picture of that guy who found the
helmet (Azure Blue). Scrooge wants to go to Labrador, to be
king of North America. Gyro builds a diving bell, and they fly to
aplace 700 km from Labrador. They sail to the island and a
wave destroys the ship. Donald tries to push the Bell into the
sea but he goes with it. When he comes up again they go to
the bottom of the sea, where they find the helmet. Then
Glomgold turns up, and his diving bell beginns to fight with Scooge's.
$ uses a magnet and winns. BUT, the a museum wants to keep
the Helmet, because it's the states property. Guess who owns the
museum! (Yes his initials are $mD)
End of SPOILERS
Of course this strory is not official, but it was the first place
I read about the Helmet. I guess Don has not read it, but what
would you have done with it, it isn't Barks. And I haven't
looked in the index for it. I just WANTED to write something
about this, in my knowing, only published danish Disney-comic
drawn by kids/teenagers.
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #189
******************************************
Henning Reichstein
several digests
Message 145 -
1998-08-08 at 17:25:27
Sorry, yet another of my all-too-long mails. Every time I got
a message ready and am about to submit it, there's another few
digests waiting, and I try to fit in a few more comments.
Well, you can always scroll down at warp speed (search for the
word "jb6tfxd"), but there just may be *something* in here that
could interest you:
Anders Christian:
>Ole 'RoC' Reichstein Nielsen
>First, Ole, would you know what a mint issue of that number one
>[of the Danish weekly] would be worth?
It's been reprinted twice, my copy is probably in the condition
euphemistically referred to as "fair" condition, and I don't use
the word "collection" in any economical sense. So I couldn't care
less, but I'll offer a guess anyway: 250 dollars?
Thanks for getting my name right BTW: how come people seem to
trust a computer generated sender field more than a real signature?
>Well, I don't really work in them feets, 20 cm's perhaps (The
>collection must be around 7 m (maybe that's about 23 feet, not much!)
If I had so small feet *I'd* prefer meters too! :-)
7 meters are quite a lot too; should take you months to read them
front-to-back/top-to-bottom/right-to-left. That means *all of them*
to you people who enjoy misunderstanding those expressions! ;-)
And yes, I arrange the issues in "reverse", oldest issues on the
right, newest on the left. That's an archiver's trick that allows
you to take a stack and put it on the table, oldest issue on top.
Not that I do that much, because I don't read my collection like
that: I pick out stories mentioned on the list, or from weird
search patterns in the database. And the occasional random pull.
>> prof. Krinkelkrogh/Saehr/Lunetta/Rebus/Ferm/Cumulus/Finurlig/Rahr
>> and dr. Kvalm, as well as Otto Man (in a crossword/puzzle book)...
>Now, about that mr. Saehr (Strange) was that not another
>prof. too, I remember him as working together with a mr.
>Kloghsen (Wise), in the danish Pocket-books. They had
>a time-mashine which Mickey and Goofy use in those series;
>what's their names in your countries?
It's correct that the name for Marlin (or Zapotek) is Saehr, but he
is not the same as prof. Einmug. The translator may have thought so,
but they are drawn quite differently. In the Ekstras several French
stories were published around 1990, and he was consistently named
"Krinkelkrogh" there. Which leaves a different name for about each
and every other story. It took a little while to settle the Danish
names for the time machine professors too.
Linguists can try and make up English names for these guys;
Dr. Strange is *not* an option. ("By the almighty eye of Agamotto!")
>About those non-persons, have I got this right Ludwig von Drake does
>not exist in Egmont-stories anymore? That's sad, that's very sad :-(
Indeed so. The idea that Duckburg only needs one genious, and that
being Gyro Gearloose, is simplistic. Gyro is a technician, not a
"knowledge guy" like Ludwig. Maybe it's in the zeitgeist that all
science is technology (about skill, the knowledge about doing) while
information processing is an inferior pursuit; so simple that a child
can do it. But witness the ignorance and misinformation so common
to this enlightened age. Information overload is a real disease
and the symptom is... oblivion. <preach mode off>
A few other Danish name curiosities:
Minnie Mouse's single niece was first(?) called Tillie in Denmark
(S 64002), but it was quickly changed to "Musse". If it is indeed
the same niece, but she fit's history's verdict as the most annoying
Disney character ever...
The name "Sorte Klat" for the Phantom Blot was indeed Danish from
his first(?) appearance in Danish in 1965. 20 years later some
juvenile leftwing/anarchist group used the name in connection with
demonstrations (riots).
Soeren K. Olesen:
>Did you know, BTW, that there exists a "Blege Bengel"
>(something like "Light Lout") as well.
I generally like Per-Erik Hedmans stories, but I don't consider
them canon proper. This "Ghost Blot" is BTW the Phantom's brother,
not his cousin, which is by it's own strange logic evidence - if
one is needed - that the Phantom Blot is a 'bad guy' according
to the rules about family patterns in Gisle's "Donaldismen".
Paolo:
> ...Phantom Blot's brother???? Dressed in white????
>This is the WORST news I read on the latest messages! :-(
Yes, but as Soeren commented the "evil twin" plot idea has been
used so often it's a cliche. Turning it upside-down with a "good
twin" for the villain is at least slightly more innovative.
I can accept it as long as the character doesn't re-appear "by
popular demand". It can be fun once, but usually only once.
This brings up a memory of a brother of Pete's, almost certainly
in a Murry drawn story. Peg-leg Paul?
The other day I uncovered a Super-Madam Mim story: Now *that*
should really make your stomach turn!
Me:
>Some time ago it was discussed if Don Rosa's art for "On A Silver
>Platter" had been "censored" by the Dutch editors. Even Don denied
>that, but someone on this list has an original page from the story,
>and claims that many details have been whited out.
>Maybe he can be talked into restoring it into it's original state?
At the risk of putting the Disney Property Division on your trail:
Poul S. Froekjaer, please join the discussion!
Don Rosa (the phantom white-outer):
>I still don't think that they "censored" (or cleaned up) the art for t=
hat
>story when it was printed... but I can't argue the point because I nev=
er sat
>and compared the pages side-by-side with any published version. But th=
ey
>would NEVER have been able to make such corrections by whiting out lin=
es on
>the original art as they *never had the original art* at Oberon! I sen=
t
>copies! All of the white-outs seen on that original art, or ANY of my
>original art that anyone will ever see, is all made by ME. I white-out=
whole
>vistas of detail and smooth out lines and even-up cross hatching on ev=
ery
>panel I ink. I once counted the corrections and noted that I make an a=
verage
>of about 12-15 white-outs for various reasons in *each panel*.
>So, if the idea that the published version of that story has been alte=
red is
>based on the fact the original art has been attacked mercilessly with =
white
>ink, then it's not so, since I am the phantom white-outer myself.
Now, I believe I remember Poul saying that he had compared the two
and found some differences. But I could be wrong (it was a year ago),
and I'm not even quite sure if he has *your* originals, or the Oberon
(now GP) copies?
Do you have (copies of) your original "Silver Platter" pages as
they were sent to GP?
So you send your *originals* to Egmont now (after making copies for
Gladstone), where they systematically white-out anything that looks
like letters or even numbers, such as the Buffalo Bill poster, for
reasons connected to their multi-national editing responsibilities.
Then they cut off bits and pieces to make the art fit with their
current lay-out policies. Then you get the pieces back?
Sorry for the stupid questions. I know we've covered this a zillion
times, and that's probably why I can't fit it all together to the
big picture.
Did you BTW know that in the Danish Lo$ book, you use the term
"annal fixation"? Quite proper for a book of 80 years of duck
history, and probably more fit for a children's book than the
spelling you've been known to use on this list.
Don again:
>Oh. You were counting comic "books", digests, and *foreign editions* i=
n your
>measurement? Ah, then *I* claim championship! I have three file cabine=
ts
>filled with foreign editions of my stories from all over the world, an=
d I
>have many more boxes of other foreign editions, comics and digests, my
>stories or not.... [...]
>Nyaah.
Oh, I knew that and only forgot it out of convenience. But strictly
speaking all your comics *except* for some of the ones in boxes are
foreign. Only you (and Albero Becattini, but that's another story)
can begin to compete with my *real* *Danish* "Donald-Duckkies"!
Well, and Egmont Copenhagen from what I hear about their collection
of unusual archive material. But "foreign" is a very subjective word.
But if American comics are the measure of true grit, my tightly
packed row runs for 5 feet and, uh... 19 inches. Gawrsh.
>No, please, have mercy on me! I'm succeeding in staying out of the
>discussion of whether Ducks in Duckburg were hatched from eggs [...]
Fair enough. Since it's a matter of opinion, there's no way to be
neither right nor wrong. Of course *I* find it absurd to think of
a feathered creature giving birth.
>[...] But I *must* assert that any talking rabbits,
>foxes and wolves live in some other Disney Universe and are *not* foun=
d near
>Duckburg or anywhere else on the same planet with Duckburg, where all =
the
>rabbits and foxes and wolves are simply *normal* rabbits and foxes and
>wolves (well, all except that *one* rabbit that was hit by Gyro's smar=
t-ray
>and never de-smarted, but he seems to have disappeared, probably becam=
e
>roadkill or dinner at Grandma's).
The German "Donaldist" #104 has an article ("About the Origin of
Intelligent Species from Natural Selection") that lists no less
than 22 different species of intelligent birds, and 25 species
of mammals. Including five human species (Homo Sapiens, H.S.
Atlanticus, H.S. Microindianicus, H.S. Gnixus, and H.S. Menehunes.)
Most common is of course Canis Sapiens. And if there are both
dog-people, clever dogs - like Scamp, and regular <arf-arf> dogs,
why not allow other species a little differentiation in IQ?
Don't feel obliged to answer this, Don. I understand your point,
and the attitude that Carl Barks didn't write fables, but just had
the unusual working conditions that his persons had to be drawn
to resemble animals.
Soeren Schridde:
>I actually have few pages in my comics (mostly pocket books) with
>wrong colouring, i.e. a page without the red - causing all beaks and
>feet of the ducks to be green
>or similar mistakes...
>how common is this (asking those (how many - I still didn't
>measure my collection?) who have a larger collection than me)?
Who, me? :-)
I don't think there are that many: I remember one instance from
the weekly the 70'es with a Paul Murry story, where four pages
were all in shades of purple. There are probably a dozen more.
Do you have exact references to stories, so I can check any
coincidences in Danish editions?
Tristan:
>I am interested in getting some Russian DisneyComic books. I only rea=
lly
>want to get one or two, just to see what they are like, but if needed =
I can
>pay for a subscription. Anyway here's my question: Do Egmont's
>sub-publishers accept foriegn orders? And, does anyone know how I can
>contact egmont russia? (or egmont Estonia, being as they speak russia=
n as
>well)
I have a subscription slip from a Russian issue, and could scan it
for you - it's too difficult to type it in!
There's no fixed price given, and you can actually haggle about
the price with the street vendors. You shouldn't pay more than
a dollar per issue though, and "Mikki Maus" is a monthly.
My experiences with subscribing to Norway, Sweden, Finland and
Germany are good. You may have to pay a little extra for postage,
but otherwise there shouldn't be a problem. My German pocketbook
subscription was handled with exquisite politeness!
>Also if anyone has any Russian Comics they are looking to get rid of,
>(hahaha yeah right) I would be willing to take them off your hands.
My parents are going to Kaliningrad, the Russian enklave that used
to be Konigsberg in Eastern Prussia, and I'll ask them to raid the
comic vendors for some extra copies. They are BTW publishing early
Barks 10 pagers, or at least they were about a year ago (there are
even a couple of issues in the database now - under Columbia!?).
Vidar:
>There is a story in Pocketbok 64 (Jumbobog 65)
>with no story code in the database. The danish title is
>"Effektivt v=3DE5ben." [...]
>Could some Italian help me with a story code?
I don't understand why so many people seem to have trouble
with finding information in the ddb - most of it should be
there. Are you perhaps using Per's interface, which is always
at least a version behind? Then try and download the source
files from ftp, and search the files "manually".
The story is BTW "I TL 900-B".
Harry:
>I read about the new issue (#25) of the Danish fanzine "Carl
>Barks & Co" on the web at:
>http://www.carlsen.dk/comics/98feb_4.htm
>Unfortunately, I don't know the Danish language well enough
>to actually read it. But can anyone tell me if the contents
>is interesting anyway?
New issue? It came out last year! But interesting is a way
of putting it: it's 40 pages, and has an 11 page article about
the Danish artist Maard=9Bn Smet's Moomins, a 10 page Don Bluth
interview (with eight large photos of the Danish posters for
his movies), and a six page Tintin(!) article.
Oh, there *are* 5 pages about Jippes' Barks JW stories, and
a two page interview with William Van Horn by John Lustig,
but it's getting hard to tell that it's a fanzine dedicated
to "Disney" and "comics". There's even a comment by some
Peter Bengtsen about "Regression in Donald Duck" claiming
that the stories are getting duller and duller, and too
predictable. He then lists five basic plots in newer Italian
stories (forgetting the increasingly popular alien visitors).
This would have been justifiable arguments ten years ago,
but in recent years the Egmont stories have improved most
dramatically. So where are the articles on the new Mickey?
The new artists? The doubling of pages in the weekly?
The new titles? And is a publishing frequency of one issue
per year - except around the time of the Barks visit - not
just another sign that the publishers don't really care too
much about Barks or Disney comics. It's just an excuse for
writing about their interests (Danish comics and animation)
and profitting from the disney zombies...
No, I don't like the magazine very much anymore, and the
Tintin article just hit the nail into the head...
Interestingly the "Paperinik - New Adventures" is extremely
popular (according to the other Danish comics fanzine), and
it's monthly here, thus rapidly catching up with the Italian
bi-monthly(?).
What are Egmont's plans to keep up with the demand: an own
production, or reprints of the regular PK title? (Or even
- just a wild thought - publish the first three issues too?)
Speaking of New Adventures (and going a bit off-topic), I've
been following the new "The Spirit - The New Adventures", in
which the publishers, Kitchen Sink Enterprises, have some of
the top names in the business create new stories with the
classic crime fighter. For starters it's more of a homage to
the old stories in the creators' own styles than a real new
line of its own, but still an interesting experiment.
I especially enjoyed Alan Moore's future speak in "Last Night
I Dreamed of Dr. Cobra".
Don Rosa (again):
Have you had contact with the editors about a story, and
would you care to do one? That Eisner award would probably give
a little leverage in negotiating, and it's my impression that
the creators are given free hands. Well, it's just a thought.
Maybe you don't have all the details from the 645 Sunday stories
on the top of your head, but it's not like a "Life of $pirit"
is asked for. Hmmm... 645 stories of each seven pages, that
leaves about 150 Kbytes for each page on a complete collection
on CD-ROM. Not impossible in black/white with an absolutely fair
resolution of about 250 dpi, according to my tests...
But enough already. Let's just pretend there's a few things I
don't have an opinion about.
Ole 'RoC' Reichstein Nielsen <(Email removed)>
- My mails are getting longer than my comics (jb6tfxd, BTW)
a message ready and am about to submit it, there's another few
digests waiting, and I try to fit in a few more comments.
Well, you can always scroll down at warp speed (search for the
word "jb6tfxd"), but there just may be *something* in here that
could interest you:
Anders Christian:
>Ole 'RoC' Reichstein Nielsen
>First, Ole, would you know what a mint issue of that number one
>[of the Danish weekly] would be worth?
It's been reprinted twice, my copy is probably in the condition
euphemistically referred to as "fair" condition, and I don't use
the word "collection" in any economical sense. So I couldn't care
less, but I'll offer a guess anyway: 250 dollars?
Thanks for getting my name right BTW: how come people seem to
trust a computer generated sender field more than a real signature?
>Well, I don't really work in them feets, 20 cm's perhaps (The
>collection must be around 7 m (maybe that's about 23 feet, not much!)
If I had so small feet *I'd* prefer meters too! :-)
7 meters are quite a lot too; should take you months to read them
front-to-back/top-to-bottom/right-to-left. That means *all of them*
to you people who enjoy misunderstanding those expressions! ;-)
And yes, I arrange the issues in "reverse", oldest issues on the
right, newest on the left. That's an archiver's trick that allows
you to take a stack and put it on the table, oldest issue on top.
Not that I do that much, because I don't read my collection like
that: I pick out stories mentioned on the list, or from weird
search patterns in the database. And the occasional random pull.
>> prof. Krinkelkrogh/Saehr/Lunetta/Rebus/Ferm/Cumulus/Finurlig/Rahr
>> and dr. Kvalm, as well as Otto Man (in a crossword/puzzle book)...
>Now, about that mr. Saehr (Strange) was that not another
>prof. too, I remember him as working together with a mr.
>Kloghsen (Wise), in the danish Pocket-books. They had
>a time-mashine which Mickey and Goofy use in those series;
>what's their names in your countries?
It's correct that the name for Marlin (or Zapotek) is Saehr, but he
is not the same as prof. Einmug. The translator may have thought so,
but they are drawn quite differently. In the Ekstras several French
stories were published around 1990, and he was consistently named
"Krinkelkrogh" there. Which leaves a different name for about each
and every other story. It took a little while to settle the Danish
names for the time machine professors too.
Linguists can try and make up English names for these guys;
Dr. Strange is *not* an option. ("By the almighty eye of Agamotto!")
>About those non-persons, have I got this right Ludwig von Drake does
>not exist in Egmont-stories anymore? That's sad, that's very sad :-(
Indeed so. The idea that Duckburg only needs one genious, and that
being Gyro Gearloose, is simplistic. Gyro is a technician, not a
"knowledge guy" like Ludwig. Maybe it's in the zeitgeist that all
science is technology (about skill, the knowledge about doing) while
information processing is an inferior pursuit; so simple that a child
can do it. But witness the ignorance and misinformation so common
to this enlightened age. Information overload is a real disease
and the symptom is... oblivion. <preach mode off>
A few other Danish name curiosities:
Minnie Mouse's single niece was first(?) called Tillie in Denmark
(S 64002), but it was quickly changed to "Musse". If it is indeed
the same niece, but she fit's history's verdict as the most annoying
Disney character ever...
The name "Sorte Klat" for the Phantom Blot was indeed Danish from
his first(?) appearance in Danish in 1965. 20 years later some
juvenile leftwing/anarchist group used the name in connection with
demonstrations (riots).
Soeren K. Olesen:
>Did you know, BTW, that there exists a "Blege Bengel"
>(something like "Light Lout") as well.
I generally like Per-Erik Hedmans stories, but I don't consider
them canon proper. This "Ghost Blot" is BTW the Phantom's brother,
not his cousin, which is by it's own strange logic evidence - if
one is needed - that the Phantom Blot is a 'bad guy' according
to the rules about family patterns in Gisle's "Donaldismen".
Paolo:
> ...Phantom Blot's brother???? Dressed in white????
>This is the WORST news I read on the latest messages! :-(
Yes, but as Soeren commented the "evil twin" plot idea has been
used so often it's a cliche. Turning it upside-down with a "good
twin" for the villain is at least slightly more innovative.
I can accept it as long as the character doesn't re-appear "by
popular demand". It can be fun once, but usually only once.
This brings up a memory of a brother of Pete's, almost certainly
in a Murry drawn story. Peg-leg Paul?
The other day I uncovered a Super-Madam Mim story: Now *that*
should really make your stomach turn!
Me:
>Some time ago it was discussed if Don Rosa's art for "On A Silver
>Platter" had been "censored" by the Dutch editors. Even Don denied
>that, but someone on this list has an original page from the story,
>and claims that many details have been whited out.
>Maybe he can be talked into restoring it into it's original state?
At the risk of putting the Disney Property Division on your trail:
Poul S. Froekjaer, please join the discussion!
Don Rosa (the phantom white-outer):
>I still don't think that they "censored" (or cleaned up) the art for t=
hat
>story when it was printed... but I can't argue the point because I nev=
er sat
>and compared the pages side-by-side with any published version. But th=
ey
>would NEVER have been able to make such corrections by whiting out lin=
es on
>the original art as they *never had the original art* at Oberon! I sen=
t
>copies! All of the white-outs seen on that original art, or ANY of my
>original art that anyone will ever see, is all made by ME. I white-out=
whole
>vistas of detail and smooth out lines and even-up cross hatching on ev=
ery
>panel I ink. I once counted the corrections and noted that I make an a=
verage
>of about 12-15 white-outs for various reasons in *each panel*.
>So, if the idea that the published version of that story has been alte=
red is
>based on the fact the original art has been attacked mercilessly with =
white
>ink, then it's not so, since I am the phantom white-outer myself.
Now, I believe I remember Poul saying that he had compared the two
and found some differences. But I could be wrong (it was a year ago),
and I'm not even quite sure if he has *your* originals, or the Oberon
(now GP) copies?
Do you have (copies of) your original "Silver Platter" pages as
they were sent to GP?
So you send your *originals* to Egmont now (after making copies for
Gladstone), where they systematically white-out anything that looks
like letters or even numbers, such as the Buffalo Bill poster, for
reasons connected to their multi-national editing responsibilities.
Then they cut off bits and pieces to make the art fit with their
current lay-out policies. Then you get the pieces back?
Sorry for the stupid questions. I know we've covered this a zillion
times, and that's probably why I can't fit it all together to the
big picture.
Did you BTW know that in the Danish Lo$ book, you use the term
"annal fixation"? Quite proper for a book of 80 years of duck
history, and probably more fit for a children's book than the
spelling you've been known to use on this list.
Don again:
>Oh. You were counting comic "books", digests, and *foreign editions* i=
n your
>measurement? Ah, then *I* claim championship! I have three file cabine=
ts
>filled with foreign editions of my stories from all over the world, an=
d I
>have many more boxes of other foreign editions, comics and digests, my
>stories or not.... [...]
>Nyaah.
Oh, I knew that and only forgot it out of convenience. But strictly
speaking all your comics *except* for some of the ones in boxes are
foreign. Only you (and Albero Becattini, but that's another story)
can begin to compete with my *real* *Danish* "Donald-Duckkies"!
Well, and Egmont Copenhagen from what I hear about their collection
of unusual archive material. But "foreign" is a very subjective word.
But if American comics are the measure of true grit, my tightly
packed row runs for 5 feet and, uh... 19 inches. Gawrsh.
>No, please, have mercy on me! I'm succeeding in staying out of the
>discussion of whether Ducks in Duckburg were hatched from eggs [...]
Fair enough. Since it's a matter of opinion, there's no way to be
neither right nor wrong. Of course *I* find it absurd to think of
a feathered creature giving birth.
>[...] But I *must* assert that any talking rabbits,
>foxes and wolves live in some other Disney Universe and are *not* foun=
d near
>Duckburg or anywhere else on the same planet with Duckburg, where all =
the
>rabbits and foxes and wolves are simply *normal* rabbits and foxes and
>wolves (well, all except that *one* rabbit that was hit by Gyro's smar=
t-ray
>and never de-smarted, but he seems to have disappeared, probably becam=
e
>roadkill or dinner at Grandma's).
The German "Donaldist" #104 has an article ("About the Origin of
Intelligent Species from Natural Selection") that lists no less
than 22 different species of intelligent birds, and 25 species
of mammals. Including five human species (Homo Sapiens, H.S.
Atlanticus, H.S. Microindianicus, H.S. Gnixus, and H.S. Menehunes.)
Most common is of course Canis Sapiens. And if there are both
dog-people, clever dogs - like Scamp, and regular <arf-arf> dogs,
why not allow other species a little differentiation in IQ?
Don't feel obliged to answer this, Don. I understand your point,
and the attitude that Carl Barks didn't write fables, but just had
the unusual working conditions that his persons had to be drawn
to resemble animals.
Soeren Schridde:
>I actually have few pages in my comics (mostly pocket books) with
>wrong colouring, i.e. a page without the red - causing all beaks and
>feet of the ducks to be green
>or similar mistakes...
>how common is this (asking those (how many - I still didn't
>measure my collection?) who have a larger collection than me)?
Who, me? :-)
I don't think there are that many: I remember one instance from
the weekly the 70'es with a Paul Murry story, where four pages
were all in shades of purple. There are probably a dozen more.
Do you have exact references to stories, so I can check any
coincidences in Danish editions?
Tristan:
>I am interested in getting some Russian DisneyComic books. I only rea=
lly
>want to get one or two, just to see what they are like, but if needed =
I can
>pay for a subscription. Anyway here's my question: Do Egmont's
>sub-publishers accept foriegn orders? And, does anyone know how I can
>contact egmont russia? (or egmont Estonia, being as they speak russia=
n as
>well)
I have a subscription slip from a Russian issue, and could scan it
for you - it's too difficult to type it in!
There's no fixed price given, and you can actually haggle about
the price with the street vendors. You shouldn't pay more than
a dollar per issue though, and "Mikki Maus" is a monthly.
My experiences with subscribing to Norway, Sweden, Finland and
Germany are good. You may have to pay a little extra for postage,
but otherwise there shouldn't be a problem. My German pocketbook
subscription was handled with exquisite politeness!
>Also if anyone has any Russian Comics they are looking to get rid of,
>(hahaha yeah right) I would be willing to take them off your hands.
My parents are going to Kaliningrad, the Russian enklave that used
to be Konigsberg in Eastern Prussia, and I'll ask them to raid the
comic vendors for some extra copies. They are BTW publishing early
Barks 10 pagers, or at least they were about a year ago (there are
even a couple of issues in the database now - under Columbia!?).
Vidar:
>There is a story in Pocketbok 64 (Jumbobog 65)
>with no story code in the database. The danish title is
>"Effektivt v=3DE5ben." [...]
>Could some Italian help me with a story code?
I don't understand why so many people seem to have trouble
with finding information in the ddb - most of it should be
there. Are you perhaps using Per's interface, which is always
at least a version behind? Then try and download the source
files from ftp, and search the files "manually".
The story is BTW "I TL 900-B".
Harry:
>I read about the new issue (#25) of the Danish fanzine "Carl
>Barks & Co" on the web at:
>http://www.carlsen.dk/comics/98feb_4.htm
>Unfortunately, I don't know the Danish language well enough
>to actually read it. But can anyone tell me if the contents
>is interesting anyway?
New issue? It came out last year! But interesting is a way
of putting it: it's 40 pages, and has an 11 page article about
the Danish artist Maard=9Bn Smet's Moomins, a 10 page Don Bluth
interview (with eight large photos of the Danish posters for
his movies), and a six page Tintin(!) article.
Oh, there *are* 5 pages about Jippes' Barks JW stories, and
a two page interview with William Van Horn by John Lustig,
but it's getting hard to tell that it's a fanzine dedicated
to "Disney" and "comics". There's even a comment by some
Peter Bengtsen about "Regression in Donald Duck" claiming
that the stories are getting duller and duller, and too
predictable. He then lists five basic plots in newer Italian
stories (forgetting the increasingly popular alien visitors).
This would have been justifiable arguments ten years ago,
but in recent years the Egmont stories have improved most
dramatically. So where are the articles on the new Mickey?
The new artists? The doubling of pages in the weekly?
The new titles? And is a publishing frequency of one issue
per year - except around the time of the Barks visit - not
just another sign that the publishers don't really care too
much about Barks or Disney comics. It's just an excuse for
writing about their interests (Danish comics and animation)
and profitting from the disney zombies...
No, I don't like the magazine very much anymore, and the
Tintin article just hit the nail into the head...
Interestingly the "Paperinik - New Adventures" is extremely
popular (according to the other Danish comics fanzine), and
it's monthly here, thus rapidly catching up with the Italian
bi-monthly(?).
What are Egmont's plans to keep up with the demand: an own
production, or reprints of the regular PK title? (Or even
- just a wild thought - publish the first three issues too?)
Speaking of New Adventures (and going a bit off-topic), I've
been following the new "The Spirit - The New Adventures", in
which the publishers, Kitchen Sink Enterprises, have some of
the top names in the business create new stories with the
classic crime fighter. For starters it's more of a homage to
the old stories in the creators' own styles than a real new
line of its own, but still an interesting experiment.
I especially enjoyed Alan Moore's future speak in "Last Night
I Dreamed of Dr. Cobra".
Don Rosa (again):
Have you had contact with the editors about a story, and
would you care to do one? That Eisner award would probably give
a little leverage in negotiating, and it's my impression that
the creators are given free hands. Well, it's just a thought.
Maybe you don't have all the details from the 645 Sunday stories
on the top of your head, but it's not like a "Life of $pirit"
is asked for. Hmmm... 645 stories of each seven pages, that
leaves about 150 Kbytes for each page on a complete collection
on CD-ROM. Not impossible in black/white with an absolutely fair
resolution of about 250 dpi, according to my tests...
But enough already. Let's just pretend there's a few things I
don't have an opinion about.
Ole 'RoC' Reichstein Nielsen <(Email removed)>
- My mails are getting longer than my comics (jb6tfxd, BTW)
Anders Chr. Sivebæk
Gyro's hammer and thinking hat
Message 146 -
1998-08-08 at 18:45:10
Hello!
Some mailing Lists ago, a member answered my question
about Gyro's hair very very good.
He has sometimes got less hair than other times and therefor
sometimes wears a wig.
He gets hurt from exploding inventions, and sometimes
he knocks himself on the head with a hammer or uses
the thinking hat (with birds)
hese two things the hammer and the thinking hat, where do
they come from and in wich stories by any artist do they
appear. It would be nice to hear if Barks used any of them...
Can anyone help me (again!)
Anders Christian
(Email removed)
Some mailing Lists ago, a member answered my question
about Gyro's hair very very good.
He has sometimes got less hair than other times and therefor
sometimes wears a wig.
He gets hurt from exploding inventions, and sometimes
he knocks himself on the head with a hammer or uses
the thinking hat (with birds)
hese two things the hammer and the thinking hat, where do
they come from and in wich stories by any artist do they
appear. It would be nice to hear if Barks used any of them...
Can anyone help me (again!)
Anders Christian
(Email removed)
Claudio Eckert
Heat + webpages + mailing-list
Message 147 -
1998-08-08 at 20:10:35
Hello everybody!
It's a hot day in Germany. I've spent the whole day reading all the
archived issues of the mailing-list I din't go trough right after joining=
the list.
(That was the only thing I could do today without melting...) It was hard=
work although, but worth of it, of course! :-)
Katie:
Since yesterday I own a flatbed-scanner. As promised, I'll send you the
scans on.. hm... let's say sunday... (now going to visit my girl-friend.=
It's a bit colder in her rooms. I'm right under the roof here <sweat,
sigh>)
I visited your webpages. Very nice! Is there someting I missed about the
"scroogettes" or it this for to come in future?
Don Rosa:
In a older issue you claimed, you are (mainly) here to answer questions. =
I
have just a little one :-) =
"On stolen Time":
Why don't the Beagle Boys use the time-clock again, when Donald and the
kids are running towards them over the "frozed" Water and just let them
fall into it? While writing this, I think, perhaps they are just a litte =
to
dumb? Or discovered the Ducks a bit to late? They are almost out of the
water... hm...
Rich:
I wanted to look up "Little Helper" on the Zoo-Page, but the link took me=
to Gyro. Is this how it should be? (And if, *is* there Info about the
helper?)
- Claudio (wish, some Beagle-Boy would let fall *me* into cold water
now... )
It's a hot day in Germany. I've spent the whole day reading all the
archived issues of the mailing-list I din't go trough right after joining=
the list.
(That was the only thing I could do today without melting...) It was hard=
work although, but worth of it, of course! :-)
Katie:
Since yesterday I own a flatbed-scanner. As promised, I'll send you the
scans on.. hm... let's say sunday... (now going to visit my girl-friend.=
It's a bit colder in her rooms. I'm right under the roof here <sweat,
sigh>)
I visited your webpages. Very nice! Is there someting I missed about the
"scroogettes" or it this for to come in future?
Don Rosa:
In a older issue you claimed, you are (mainly) here to answer questions. =
I
have just a little one :-) =
"On stolen Time":
Why don't the Beagle Boys use the time-clock again, when Donald and the
kids are running towards them over the "frozed" Water and just let them
fall into it? While writing this, I think, perhaps they are just a litte =
to
dumb? Or discovered the Ducks a bit to late? They are almost out of the
water... hm...
Rich:
I wanted to look up "Little Helper" on the Zoo-Page, but the link took me=
to Gyro. Is this how it should be? (And if, *is* there Info about the
helper?)
- Claudio (wish, some Beagle-Boy would let fall *me* into cold water
now... )
Francois Willot
Cross references
Message 148 -
1998-08-08 at 20:30:14
HALSTEN:
There's one cross-reference that I haven't seen in your list... In "The
24 Carat Moon" from US #25, Barks re-used a character who previously
appeared a few months earlier in US #24: it's the tycoon living in Texas
who was reputed to be richer than Scrooge from "The fabulous Tycoon".
"The 24 carat Moon" also features a maharajah. The maharajah talks about
the cost of the rocket he's building and says it doesn't matter if it
costs him the equivalent of his weight in diamonds. It makes me think of
"The Tuckered Tiger" from US #9... However, it probably isn't the same,
because their names (Eyesore/Swingingdore) and their looks are
different. But maybe Barks was too lazy to check the story... he
probably never care about such details.
Since the tycoon has never been a regular character (though he also made
a cameo appearance in Rosa's "Return to plain Awful"), I'd say this
belongs in your list.
Francois
There's one cross-reference that I haven't seen in your list... In "The
24 Carat Moon" from US #25, Barks re-used a character who previously
appeared a few months earlier in US #24: it's the tycoon living in Texas
who was reputed to be richer than Scrooge from "The fabulous Tycoon".
"The 24 carat Moon" also features a maharajah. The maharajah talks about
the cost of the rocket he's building and says it doesn't matter if it
costs him the equivalent of his weight in diamonds. It makes me think of
"The Tuckered Tiger" from US #9... However, it probably isn't the same,
because their names (Eyesore/Swingingdore) and their looks are
different. But maybe Barks was too lazy to check the story... he
probably never care about such details.
Since the tycoon has never been a regular character (though he also made
a cameo appearance in Rosa's "Return to plain Awful"), I'd say this
belongs in your list.
Francois
Kriton Kyrimis
Disney comics Digest V98 #188
Message 149 -
1998-08-08 at 23:40:02
FRANK FABIAN:
> Ah well ... it seems there REALLY is no rule without exception! :-)
That's why they're called "rules" instead of "laws".
I can't help thinking that what you wrote is a variation of the Epimenides
paradox ("All cretans are liars", with Epimenides, who said this, being a
Cretan) but my mind is too boggled to figure it out.
> > Being placed on a shelf in a nice dry place would probably be enough.
> ...
> Actually, the place where my library's copy is stored has special air
> conditioning to prevent harmful outside air from getting in.
This sounds like a "nice dry place" to me.
> > the word Fisel (the word fiEsel isn't there either) it means some kind of
> > bean,
> ...
> The "Fisel" you dug up must
> be something very obscure
I don't speak any German, but this looks supsiciously like the modern
Greek word "fasoli", which is derived from the Latin "phaselus", which is
in turn derived from the ancient Greek word "faselos", all of which mean
"bean". This seems to be a good example of Hindo-European languages
in action. Now, I wonder how the ancient Greeks called the Junior
Woodchucks. ;-)
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
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"Human beings have two notable characteristics. One, they're extremely
intelligent. Two, they're very very stupid."
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> Ah well ... it seems there REALLY is no rule without exception! :-)
That's why they're called "rules" instead of "laws".
I can't help thinking that what you wrote is a variation of the Epimenides
paradox ("All cretans are liars", with Epimenides, who said this, being a
Cretan) but my mind is too boggled to figure it out.
> > Being placed on a shelf in a nice dry place would probably be enough.
> ...
> Actually, the place where my library's copy is stored has special air
> conditioning to prevent harmful outside air from getting in.
This sounds like a "nice dry place" to me.
> > the word Fisel (the word fiEsel isn't there either) it means some kind of
> > bean,
> ...
> The "Fisel" you dug up must
> be something very obscure
I don't speak any German, but this looks supsiciously like the modern
Greek word "fasoli", which is derived from the Latin "phaselus", which is
in turn derived from the ancient Greek word "faselos", all of which mean
"bean". This seems to be a good example of Hindo-European languages
in action. Now, I wonder how the ancient Greeks called the Junior
Woodchucks. ;-)
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
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"Human beings have two notable characteristics. One, they're extremely
intelligent. Two, they're very very stupid."
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Kriton Kyrimis
Disney comics Digest V98 #189
Message 150 -
1998-08-09 at 00:14:49
KATIE:
> 4. "The Fantastic River Race". Well, if an issue of U$ has to be
> Rosa-free, this is the next-best thing. Not only vintage Barks, but a
> Barks story that inspired part of Lo$! What a great idea to reprint this
> now, for people who don't have the old "Uncle Scrooge goes to Disneyland"
> digest. I have a post-1957 reprint, but in a tiny digest on lousy paper,
> so I was glad to get a nice copy.
Gladstone reprinted both "Uncle Scrooge Goes to Disneyland" and
"Disneyland Birthday Party" in 1985, so if you're interested in getting
decent square-bound four-color reprints, you might try locating copies
of those. If you're really lucky, you might still be able to order them
as back issues from Gladstone or Russ Cochran, depending on who got to
get any remaining stock after Russ Cochran split from Gladstone.
I believe that these two reprints were the first comic books produced
by Gladstone. Quoting from the introduction:
Gladstone Publishing is pleased to celebrate the thirtieth anniversary
of Disneyland's Magic Kingdom by reprinting two vintage titles: *Uncle
Scrooge Goes to Disneyland* and *Disneyland Birthday Party*. The event
marks a birthday for Gladstone as well, for with these books we begin
publishing a new series of Disney comics. In 1986, familiar titles
like *Donald Duck*, *Uncle Scrooge*, *Mickey Mouse* and *Walt Disney's
Comics and Stories* will once again be on the stands, but with a new
look. Together with classic tales from the past, you will be able to
enjoy new stories by talented artists from around the world.
Makes one feel nostalgic, doesn't it?
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
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"Human beings have two notable characteristics. One, they're extremely
intelligent. Two, they're very very stupid."
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> 4. "The Fantastic River Race". Well, if an issue of U$ has to be
> Rosa-free, this is the next-best thing. Not only vintage Barks, but a
> Barks story that inspired part of Lo$! What a great idea to reprint this
> now, for people who don't have the old "Uncle Scrooge goes to Disneyland"
> digest. I have a post-1957 reprint, but in a tiny digest on lousy paper,
> so I was glad to get a nice copy.
Gladstone reprinted both "Uncle Scrooge Goes to Disneyland" and
"Disneyland Birthday Party" in 1985, so if you're interested in getting
decent square-bound four-color reprints, you might try locating copies
of those. If you're really lucky, you might still be able to order them
as back issues from Gladstone or Russ Cochran, depending on who got to
get any remaining stock after Russ Cochran split from Gladstone.
I believe that these two reprints were the first comic books produced
by Gladstone. Quoting from the introduction:
Gladstone Publishing is pleased to celebrate the thirtieth anniversary
of Disneyland's Magic Kingdom by reprinting two vintage titles: *Uncle
Scrooge Goes to Disneyland* and *Disneyland Birthday Party*. The event
marks a birthday for Gladstone as well, for with these books we begin
publishing a new series of Disney comics. In 1986, familiar titles
like *Donald Duck*, *Uncle Scrooge*, *Mickey Mouse* and *Walt Disney's
Comics and Stories* will once again be on the stands, but with a new
look. Together with classic tales from the past, you will be able to
enjoy new stories by talented artists from around the world.
Makes one feel nostalgic, doesn't it?
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
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"Human beings have two notable characteristics. One, they're extremely
intelligent. Two, they're very very stupid."
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