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RobertK168
Please excuse this non-comics post, but I'm sure others will be as excited to
see this as I was. The Disney Channel, at least in the USA, is showing the
original hour-long episodes of the Mickey Mouse Club, this week only. These
episodes have the original long (3 minutes!) title sequence, which features
the first TV appearance of Uncle Scrooge. He pops out of Zeke Wolf's hat.
Don't blink, or you'll miss it! Still, I thought it was fun to see a pre-
DuckTales animated Scrooge. (Disney Channel also occasionally shows the 1967
theatrical short "Scrooge McDuck and Money" which also features the Nephews,
but this isn't really "our" Scrooge. Theres no adventure, just a lecture.)

Enjoy!
Bob Kass
Kyrimis
KATIE:

> But what's the point of action figures if you can't line them up in
> rows on top of your television and pose them into little scenes, etc?

In my days, instead of action figures, we had toy soldiers. You'd get
about a dozen in a box, and you could start doing those little scenes
right away. Now, for the same amount of money you get one "action
figure", and unless you can afford to "collect the whole set", as I
believe is the expression advertisers use, you can do little more than
keep the thing in its box and stare at it. :-(

ANDERS:

> I read for some time ago that in the american publication of Lo$, that $
> had brown hair until he was frightened by something and it turned white. In
> the danish version it's white all through the series. But I do remember
> something about, that in my greek Komix no. 100 he had brown hair. What's
> Barks' meaning about that question? anyone?

As Don has mentioned before, his intention had been for Scrooge to have
always had white hair. This information was not passed on to Gladstone,
so they started showing him with brown hair, until Don mentioned the
mistake, at which point they found the ingenious way of changing
Scrooge's hair color after he was electrocuted while examining one of
those new-fangled electric lights. It appears that Komix used
Gladstone's printing as a color guide, but didn't quite realize what
was going on, showing Scrooge with brown hair for a few more panels
after the electrocution scene.

> I've always wondered what those strings on the hat were for, the ones that
> go down under his chin...

They're to prevent his hat from being blown away. My mother had sewn a
similar elastic strap on a hat I used to war when I was little.

TEME:

> As I have never seen the Gutenberg bible have no idea how its being
> kept; however if I were to venture a guess I'd say artefact like that
> would be stored in the best possible manner.

Being placed on a shelf in a nice dry place would probably be enough.
I wouldn't be surprised if "the best possible manner" involves mainly
security issues (the thing must be priceless) and preventing insects
and rodents from getting a very expensive meal.

OWEN HEITMANN:

> the prestige books look just great when I get them, but after a single
> reading in my hot little hands the spine gets warped an incredible
> amount!

The trick, which is also good for paperbacks, is to open the book only
as much as is necessary to read it, i.e., the book should not be opened
by more than a 90 degree angle. This keeps the spine intact. It also
prevents the book from laying flat on the table or your lap, however,
so if you like reading that way, this is a catch-22 situation.

ARCHONTIS:

> Scarpa's "The last Ballaboo" WAS printed in KOMIX #61 five years ago. The
> Ballaboo was called...just that: Ballaboo.

While this restored Scarpa's original name, I can't help thinking of
the animal in Greek as the last "Lambou". This is one example where
they've changed a character name in more recent publications, the most
prominent being that of the Beagle Boys: up until at least the mid-80's
they used to be called something that translates as "the wolf gang",
which is in the same vein as Barks' name. In the last decade or so,
however, they've switched to something that translates as
"bumpkin-wolves" (yes, I had to look it up), which sounds silly, and
for the life of me I can't figure out why they did it.

Has such a thing happened in other countries, as well?

Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://cti.gr/~kyrimis
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Fluks, H.W.
Claudio:
> I wonder how it is possible, that I sometimes can read answers to questions
>asked in the *same* Mail.

Some of us get the individual messages, in stead of a digest. You can
read all about it in the welcoming message that you got when you
subscribed.

--Harry.
Harry Fluks, Leidschendam, The Netherlands
http://home.wxs.nl/~fluks4
http://members.xoom.com/bolderbast
Bror Hellman
KRITON:

> This is one example where they've changed a character name in more
> recent publications, the most prominent being that of the Beagle Boys:

> up until at least the mid-80's they used to be called something that
> translates as "the wolf gang", which is in the same vein as Barks'
name.

In Sweden they are called Bjoernligan (or the "Bear gang"). But since
they
are dogs, recent Swedish translators (Stefan, can we blame you? :-) have
called
the first Beagle-grandpa "Bjoern" as his surname and then continued to
name the
whole gang after grandpa, as to explain the name. "Bjoern" (literally
"bear") is
a fairly common swedish surname. (Like Bjoern Borg for example.)

This is not an example of changing the names but more an example of
trying to explain certain already established facts.

Name-changes from established names in sweden have, to my knowledge,
never been done on purpose, but i know that it have happened on several
occations that the particular translator didn't know or remember that
the
character already had a swedish name.

Steamboat Willie
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/2895/
Fluks, H.W.
I read about the new issue (#25) of the Danish fanzine "Carl Barks & Co"
on the web at:

http://www.carlsen.dk/comics/98feb_4.htm

Unfortunately, I don't know the Danish language well enough to actually
read it. But can anyone tell me if the contents is interesting anyway?

--Harry.
Harry Fluks, Leidschendam, The Netherlands
http://home.wxs.nl/~fluks4
http://members.xoom.com/bolderbast
Gerstein, David DK - ECN
EVERYONE:
A couple of weeks ago I asked a very non-Disney question to our
German list members: whether they could try making me a video-recording
of PRO7's Bugs Bunny broadcasts. I wanted the interstitial segments -
little skits with Bugs and Daffy at a piano, or with other characters in
a TV studio, that were originally made for TV's "Bugs Bunny Show" in the
1950s.
Can those of you who were taping please tell me what you have at
this point? My friend in the USA who wanted the material is getting
after me for it... As mentioned before, of course, I'll trade Gladstones
and similar material, natch!

David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
Halsten Aastebøl
Hi folks!

OK, after having followed the discussions on this list from the sideline
for a while, I think it's time to introduce myself.

I've been a fan of the Barks duck stories for some 25 years, although I
didn't learn about Carl Barks until maybe 10 years ago. How absent-minded
one can be, not ever thinking about who wrote all those stories! But when
my eyes finally opened, I soon discovered that all the stories I liked were
by Barks (more or less). Today I have almost all of his stories, including
also the majority of his non-Disney comics. I'm also interested in the
works of Don Rosa and one other writer who I don't know the name of. Maybe
someone can help me. He wrote stories in the 80s, I believe, including
titles like (in Norwegian):
- Picassokuppet i Barcelona
- Regnguden fra Uxmal
- Reisen til Key West
and others under the vignette "Adventures from Uncle $crooge's treasure
chest".

Then about ducks, bears and rabbits and possibly bohimatons:
Don Rosa said:

> But I *must* assert that any talking rabbits,
> foxes and wolves live in some other Disney Universe and are *not* found near
> Duckburg or anywhere else on the same planet with Duckburg, where all the
> rabbits and foxes and wolves are simply *normal* rabbits and foxes and
> wolves (well, all except that *one* rabbit that was hit by Gyro's smart-ray
> and never de-smarted, but he seems to have disappeared, probably became
> roadkill or dinner at Grandma's).

I totally agree. Actually I never read any Disney comics except the duck
stories. Not even Mickey Mouse. But then again, Big Bad Wolf did appear
together with HDL and Grandma in one Grandma Duck story ("The Sheepish
Cowboys" OS 1010) for which Barks did the art. But since Barks didn't write
the script, I guess it should not be regarded as a Barksian fact. As
someone on this list has pointed out, even Dumbo appears in one of these
stories.

Well, I have quite a few things that I'd like to discuss with others on the
list. Since I'm new to the list I wouldn't know if they have been discussed
earlier. I'll start with a couple of things this time around.

Someone on this list has been writing about the censored end of the story
from OS 108 "The Firebug". The editors altered the last two panels because
they felt that a Disney character could not be seen behind bars at the end
of a story. This is a well known fact. But I have never seen any comments
comparing this with the end of "The Great Ski Race" WDC 62. Here Donald is
seen behind bars in the last panel! And the two stories were published only
a few months apart!
But of course, Duckburg law will regard burning down the court as a more
serious crime than just annoying the officials, including a judge, in a
water ski race. Surely I can't have been the only one to notice this?

Barks never stressed continuity between his stories although, like Don
Rosa's Life of $crooge McDuck shows, things happened to be rather
consistent anyway. But it's interesting to pinpoint the few occasions in
Barks' stories where he actually refers to an earlier story. I've come up
with the these examples:
1. "The Great Ski Race" (WDC 62) opens with a panel where HDL are bathing
in pile of cash and Donald making a comment about the reward HDL got last
month for catching a bank robber as seen in the previous issue of WDC "Thug
Busters".
2. In Frozen Gold (OS 62) Donald is dreaming of a vacation away from snow
covered Duckburg. Florida is a natural choice, and in the beginning of the
next adventure in the same OS, "Mystery of the swamp", they are there.
Presumably Donald and HDL have finished flying more supplies of penicillin
to Alaska, and Donald is now complaining about the lack of adventure.
3. In "Secret Resolutions" WDC 185, Donald and the nephews decide to make
their new year's resolutions secrets because of the troubles that aroused
one year earlier in "New Year's Revolutions" WDC 173.
4. In "Feud And Far Between" WDC 281, Neighbor Jones is secretly moving in
next door again. While Donald and HDL are trying to find out who the
mysterious new neighbor is, they are talking about Jones and the backyard
war between him and Donald as seen in WDC 34, 38, 48, 63, U$ 6B and "Silent
Night".
5. The series of one pagers showing $crooge getting his moneys worth of
coffee.

Can anybody tell me if there are more such connections?

The book "Donaldisten" (Duckology) by Jon Gisle seems to be well known in
Scandinavia. Is it also known other places?

This will have to be enough for a start. I'll come back with comments on
the Duckburg power supply and more.

Bye!

Halsten Aastebol
Frostgiant
I bought the issues 1, 3, and 4 of the Junior Woodchucks limited series (my comics store didn't have #2), and I had seen a Junior Woodchucks limited 4-part series before, however, I am almost sure it was from the late 70s. So, I am wondering, the limited series issues I own, (which was published by Disney in 1991), is it just a reprint of the late 70s series, or is it a brand new collection? How many Junior Woodchucks series have their been? Would mine be considered Volume 2?

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Marco Barlotti
CLAUDIA:

>About Proz. Zapotec, I'm quite sure he was "born" in the story "Topolino e
>l'enigma di MU" (from "Topolino" #1238-1239). I don't know muck about his
>colleague Marlin (but I'm confident other members of the list do...).

Marlin, a former high school colleague of Zapotec, invented the
time-machine and prompted Zapotec to use it.
You are right of course on Zapotec's first appearance. He starred in a few
other stories with Mickey and Goofy before the "first" time-machine
adventure which is

I TL 1555-A (September 15th, 1985)
Topolino e il segreto della Gioconda
/Concina/MdV/
32/first appearance of Marlin/Goofy, Zapotec, Marlin
[reprinted: CD 176]

There seems to be a long, interesting story on this time-machine series to
be told. This was pointed out to me (after looking at my index on the web)
by Dario Ambrosini from the University of L'Aquila. We have questioned on
the sunject Bruno Concina and Giorgio Pezzin (co-inventors with the late
Franco Fossati of the series) and I hope we shall be able to report on the
backgrounds of the time-machine affair in due time ;-)

Meanwhile, you all can give a look to the index of Italian Disney stories on

http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/DisneyIndex

Greetings,

Marco
Rich Bellacera
KATIE QUACKFASTER'S New page: "The Many Loves of Scrooge McDuck."
> http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/ridleyford/112/loves.htm

First let me express my saddness for the loss of your Grandfather,
I understand... all five of my grandparents have passed on as well.

As for your New Page... I checked it out. Very fun. :-)

I have a suggestion. Since you seem to be presenting even those
women who have merely the *appearance* of a relationship with
$crooge, have you considered adding "Ma Beagle"? There was an
episode of DuckTales ("Status Seekers", I think? Mr. Barat will
probably know for sure) where Ma Beagle takes $croogie to court
and has the Judge (The Owl, btw) proclaim them MARRIED [Blashpemy!],
with that she intends to divorse him to take HALF of his wealth
with her (of course her plan backfires!). I'd say that a woman
who even provides "legal proof" of a relationship with $crooge
desrves a mention, at least.... What do you think? :-)

MINOR CHARACTERS:
This is only partially off-topic. I would present this to the
Disney Afternoon ML, but there really isn't a forum of this type
there for broad feedback, plus except for a couple of Members who,
like me share common membership, I don't think many of them read
Disney Comics as regularly, and it really requires someone with
knowledge of both the series and older Disney Comics to help.

Anyhow, I'm compiling a list of all the cross-over characters
from Comics who have made their screen debut or at least cameo
appearances on the series DuckTales:

So far my list includes:

Gyro Gearloose (several episodes)
Magica de Spell (several episodes)
Flintheart Glomgold (several episodes)
Beagle Boys (seveal episodes)
Glittering Goldie O'Gilt (several episodes)
Black Pete (several episodes)
Gladstone Gander (several episodes)
Shamrock Bones/The Sleuth ("Dr. Jekyll & Mr. McDuck" & a cameo
in "'Til Nephews do us Part", called Shedlock Jones)
Beagle Brats ("Take Me Out of the Ballgame")
Weasel (Pete's lackey, called Victor Luzer in "Back to the
Klondike")
Newton (Gyro's nephew, not named in "Superdoo")
Shamrock (Gladstone's nephew, not named in "'Til Nephews do us
Part")
The Owl Judge (several episode... need to verify exact titles)

Does anyone know of others?

Take care,

Rich
Claudio Eckert
Anders:
There are some scenes all over Barks' stories where Gryo's cap is somehow=
moved oder complete away, but I would mention the one, where he wants to=
go swimming in his pool, although he can't swim at all (US 24/2). But: t=
he best view of his head we have in CP 8/1 (Chrismas Parade). Gyro wants =
to relax from inventing and visits Grandma Duck (but after all he invent=
s a mashine that build all kinds of food from just gound, air and water.)=
In one panel, Little Helper brushes Gyro's *full* hair.

- Claudio

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End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #185
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Bhc
Tristan:

>There I go again.. jumping without thinking.

And you've just done it again about colorists. Giving the credit to the
computer? You grossly misunderstand the role of the computer. It certainly
has largely replaced the brush, the inks, and the paper, and some steps in
the production flow, but it is a complete and utter dunce when it comes to
knowing what colors to put where, and why. Without the colorist to decide
these things, the computer would just sit there humming to itself. Which is
exactly what it does until I (yes, I am a colorist) decide to put my hand
on the mouse, select an area, select the color I want to go into that area,
and then apply that color to that area.

In fact, replace the word "mouse" with "brush" in that last sentence, and
you exactly describe the function of the colorist pre-computer.

As you are clearly not a colorist, I understand you are speaking from
ignorance, and it wouldn't do to beat you over the head about it. But the
fact that I'm sorely tempted to do just that leads me to offer you this
piece of advice: follow your own advice and think, think very, very hard,
before you jump into anything like this again.

Gary

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"It's either very new cheese or very old meat." - Oscar Madison
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Claudio Eckert
Harry:
>>You can read all about it in the welcoming message that you got when yo=
u subscribed.

Oops... I should read more carefully what I get... :-)
Thank you! =

- Claudio =

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Merlin Haas
Halsten Aastebol wrote:

> Barks never stressed continuity between his stories although, like
> Don Rosa's Life of $crooge McDuck shows, things happened to be
> rather consistent anyway. But it's interesting to pinpoint the few
> occasions in Barks' stories where he actually refers to an earlier
> story. I've come up with the these examples:
> <snip examples>
> Can anybody tell me if there are more such connections?

In the '60s Scrooge story involving the Candy-striped Ruby (which
Scrooge tries to hide by putting it in a batch of peppermint candy) the
Beagle Boys refer to an earlier Scrooge story ("All at Sea"??) in which
Scrooge tries to move gold bullion by ship by having it molded to look
like corn.

best -- Merlin Haas (too lazy to find the originals today)
Anders Chr. Sivebæk
Soeren Schridde
We started German-classe today, so we got a heavy dictionary, I looked up
the word Fisel (the word fiEsel isn't there either) it means some kind of
bean, and beans are green, right? Was that what you meant by green? Or has
the word just been transformed to mean bean in modern German?
If my guess is right Faehnlein Fi(e)selschweif means in reversed word
order: The green (?) tales (not beaks!) with the little flag...

How many Germans are there contributing top this list
How many Danes?
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