KT Q or is that QT K? (a.k.a. Katie Quackfaster) :-) :
>Does anyone have any more information on Belle Duck? Bella Quack? I
>have pictures, but no biographical detail. Is she from Duckburg, or
>somewhere else? Fill me in, please!
I was hoping to see what others, particulary those who are more familiar
with her than I, had to say, but I don't think my good friend Franco
will mind too much if I share what he's shared with me... especially since
I haven't had the time to actually upload her profile (still a W.I.P.).
My personal exposure to her is through two Italian stories and one in
French.
Quoting Mr. Beta:
"BELLE DUCK (Bella Quack)
[Kinney/Hubbard, 66-70]
Belle first appeared sometime in '66
She is an old fling, actually, but uses this mostly to embarass
Scrooge, and make him do what she wants, usually with the
complicity of HDL. She quite likes Scrooge, but it's definitely
not in love with him.
Belle's very existence spins around her riverboat, "The Gilded Lily",
always in need of repairs, which will be paid by poor Scrooge,
of course, often after blackmailing him, threatening to reveal
some terrible secret from the past...
I'm afraid you've got here the plots of nearly *all* the stories
featuring Belle...
... she's the daughter of a "Southern Gentleman", and
used to have a "Mansion" in Louisiana or somewhere like that."
(end quote)
If anyone on the List has anymore details they would like to share,
please do. Thanks.
KT Q:
>Also, I suppose I'll have to include Ma Beagle (shudder) on the page.
>Ack!
Heh, heh, heh (evil grin)
PS. I know what you mean about being inundated with mail....
what's with the Mailing List? Mind you, I'm hardly complaining,
but as the saying goes, "When it rains, it pours!" :-) :-)
REGARDING "Li'l Helper"
Recently someone on the List asked me about Gyro's Little
Helper in the HooZoo page, but, even though it was only a day or
two ago, I think it was about five Mailing Lists agon and I can't
recall which one. Anyhow, process you used to arrive at Gyro's
profile was correct. Only recently have I begun considering
expanding on Little Helper's profile, or even making him a
seperate one from that of Gyro's. I know that in the Disney Italia
(www.topolino.it) profiles he has his own, as does Donald's car,
313, and even Uncle Scrooge's No.1 Dime has it's own profile....
sheesh! Well.. At this point it really has to do with the fact that
I know so very little about Little Helper (i.e when he first appeared,
other than being Gyro's helper, what prominant attributes he has,
what would distinguish him as something equivalent to maybe
a "pet" (such as Bolivar, though probably not as prominent as Pluto).
At this point he seems to be more of an artist's gag which occurs
as a pleasantry to the eye, rather than being promoted to full
character status. What do you think? I'm probably inclined to
agree with him being an actual cahracter, but I still have a problem
with considering Uncle Scrooge's Dime as a character... what's next?
Glomgold's No.1 Rand? Witch Hazel's broom, Beelzebub? Well,
come to think of it, Beelzebub does qualify... oh well.
-Rich (xephyr)
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Rich Bellacera
BELLE DUCK & Li'l HELPER
Message 196 -
1998-08-11 at 10:48:14
Soeren Krarup Olesen
Junkville Journal
Message 197 -
1998-08-11 at 10:52:43
Donald wrote:
> SOEREN K. OLESEN --
> >> "The idea that Duckburg only needs one genious, and
> >> that being Gyro Gearloose, is simplistic. Gyro is a
> >> technician, not a "knowledge guy" like Ludwig."
> Do you know something I don't? I don't recall <snip>
I didn't write that, though taken out of context, I agree. ;-)
Soeren
> SOEREN K. OLESEN --
> >> "The idea that Duckburg only needs one genious, and
> >> that being Gyro Gearloose, is simplistic. Gyro is a
> >> technician, not a "knowledge guy" like Ludwig."
> Do you know something I don't? I don't recall <snip>
I didn't write that, though taken out of context, I agree. ;-)
Soeren
RobertK168
National Geographic and "Ancient Persia"
Message 198 -
1998-08-11 at 13:19:00
JEFF BINGHAM asked:
<<I have recently reread Donald Duck in ancient Persia and was
wondering about several things. Somewhere I heard that Barks' got the
idea for this story from a national geographic. If this is true would
someone tell me which national geographic and what article?>>
There's a great article in Volume 1, number 1 of the hardcover Carl Barks
Library by Thomas Andrae and Geoffrey Blum called "The Far Away and Long Ago".
The article shows actual illustrations from National Geographic (some in
color), side by side with Bark's drawings, and discusses Barks's use of the
magazine as an inspiration and reference. (By the way, when I last checked,
several months ago,Gladstone/Another Rainbow had some individual CBL volumes
for sale for $15 + $5 postage, and this was one of them!)
The article shows a painting of Esarhaddon of Assyria by H.M. Herget, which,
according to the article, "became King Nevvawaaza of Itsa Faka in 'Ancient
Persia'". The picture credit says "(c) National Geographic Society (October
1941)", so I'd assume that's the issue of the magazine to look for. Even so, I
highly recommend the CBL article because it also shows National Geographic
*photographs* used in "Lost in the Andes", the "Mummy's Ring",etc, plus a
fascinating text discussion.
Enjoy!
Bob Kass
Arlington, MA
<<I have recently reread Donald Duck in ancient Persia and was
wondering about several things. Somewhere I heard that Barks' got the
idea for this story from a national geographic. If this is true would
someone tell me which national geographic and what article?>>
There's a great article in Volume 1, number 1 of the hardcover Carl Barks
Library by Thomas Andrae and Geoffrey Blum called "The Far Away and Long Ago".
The article shows actual illustrations from National Geographic (some in
color), side by side with Bark's drawings, and discusses Barks's use of the
magazine as an inspiration and reference. (By the way, when I last checked,
several months ago,Gladstone/Another Rainbow had some individual CBL volumes
for sale for $15 + $5 postage, and this was one of them!)
The article shows a painting of Esarhaddon of Assyria by H.M. Herget, which,
according to the article, "became King Nevvawaaza of Itsa Faka in 'Ancient
Persia'". The picture credit says "(c) National Geographic Society (October
1941)", so I'd assume that's the issue of the magazine to look for. Even so, I
highly recommend the CBL article because it also shows National Geographic
*photographs* used in "Lost in the Andes", the "Mummy's Ring",etc, plus a
fascinating text discussion.
Enjoy!
Bob Kass
Arlington, MA
Gerstein, David DK - ECN
Belle Duck
Message 199 -
1998-08-11 at 13:40:00
KATIE:
Belle Duck is a tall, plump riverboat captain who sails her
"Gilded Lily" steamboat up and down the Tulebug River, mostly in 1960s
S-coded stories written by Dick Kinney. Besides being a businesswoman,
she's a flirtatious Southern belle as her name would imply; is heavily
enamored of Scrooge (and has been for a long time, although I don't know
the details), and likes nothing better than to entrap him on her boat
for a long, moonlit ride, the mere thought of which more or less makes
Scrooge's blood boil. (It's sort of like doing a Brigitta MacBridge kind
of character, but restricting yourself to *one* kind of story
situation.)
Her arch-nemesis is the comparatively amateur sailor Captain
Annie, who also runs a tourist boat on the Tulebug (called the "Flying
Dutchman," although it doesn't fly in any stories I've seen).
Belle was created around 1964, I believe, but I think Alberto
Becattini will know the answer to this better than I.
Keep on quackin', by the way! Enjoying your web pages very much,
Katie!
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
Belle Duck is a tall, plump riverboat captain who sails her
"Gilded Lily" steamboat up and down the Tulebug River, mostly in 1960s
S-coded stories written by Dick Kinney. Besides being a businesswoman,
she's a flirtatious Southern belle as her name would imply; is heavily
enamored of Scrooge (and has been for a long time, although I don't know
the details), and likes nothing better than to entrap him on her boat
for a long, moonlit ride, the mere thought of which more or less makes
Scrooge's blood boil. (It's sort of like doing a Brigitta MacBridge kind
of character, but restricting yourself to *one* kind of story
situation.)
Her arch-nemesis is the comparatively amateur sailor Captain
Annie, who also runs a tourist boat on the Tulebug (called the "Flying
Dutchman," although it doesn't fly in any stories I've seen).
Belle was created around 1964, I believe, but I think Alberto
Becattini will know the answer to this better than I.
Keep on quackin', by the way! Enjoying your web pages very much,
Katie!
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
SSchridde
Disney comics Digest V98 #192
Message 200 -
1998-08-11 at 14:24:22
Ole (about miscolourings):
> I don't think there are that many: I remember one instance from
> the weekly the 70'es with a Paul Murry story, where four pages
> were all in shades of purple. There are probably a dozen more.
> Do you have exact references to stories, so I can check any
> coincidences in Danish editions?
I admit, no, sorry.
Some pages in early "Donald Duck Sonderheft"-issues are b/w,
though: The last two pages (opposite of the cover). That only
applies to the first run.
Soeren
> I don't think there are that many: I remember one instance from
> the weekly the 70'es with a Paul Murry story, where four pages
> were all in shades of purple. There are probably a dozen more.
> Do you have exact references to stories, so I can check any
> coincidences in Danish editions?
I admit, no, sorry.
Some pages in early "Donald Duck Sonderheft"-issues are b/w,
though: The last two pages (opposite of the cover). That only
applies to the first run.
Soeren
Fluks, H.W.
Gottfredson
Message 201 -
1998-08-11 at 14:40:36
Jeff:
> Donald D Markstein
> If you would send me that list of reprints I would be forever
> grateful.
Now I see what you want. You want an index of Gottfredson comics. Well,
that's in the Disney comics Database. For the MM newspaper strips, have
a look at:
http://members.xoom.com/bolderbast/Daily-Mickey-Mouse.html and
http://members.xoom.com/bolderbast/Sunday-Mickey-Mouse.html
The USA reprints are mentioned behind w: (pre-1985) and us: (Gladstone
etc.).
A '*' behind a reprint issue means an incomplete or censored reprint.
--Harry.
> Donald D Markstein
> If you would send me that list of reprints I would be forever
> grateful.
Now I see what you want. You want an index of Gottfredson comics. Well,
that's in the Disney comics Database. For the MM newspaper strips, have
a look at:
http://members.xoom.com/bolderbast/Daily-Mickey-Mouse.html and
http://members.xoom.com/bolderbast/Sunday-Mickey-Mouse.html
The USA reprints are mentioned behind w: (pre-1985) and us: (Gladstone
etc.).
A '*' behind a reprint issue means an incomplete or censored reprint.
--Harry.
Vidar Svendsen
Notre Duck
Message 202 -
1998-08-11 at 15:21:41
DON ROSA:
You're right about "Notre Duck" being without any
obvious religious symbols, but I've always considered
it to be a church. But I don't object to that - nor do I
(as a pastor-to-be) object to your having Scrooge
crash into (what I hope you'll agree undoubtably is)
a church in part II of LoS ;-)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Vidar Svendsen http://home.sol.no/~vidasven
And he said all those numbers
made him numb,
which (he thinks) is why
they're called numbers
You're right about "Notre Duck" being without any
obvious religious symbols, but I've always considered
it to be a church. But I don't object to that - nor do I
(as a pastor-to-be) object to your having Scrooge
crash into (what I hope you'll agree undoubtably is)
a church in part II of LoS ;-)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Vidar Svendsen http://home.sol.no/~vidasven
And he said all those numbers
made him numb,
which (he thinks) is why
they're called numbers
Berglund
: Computer lettering....
Message 203 -
1998-08-11 at 15:35:27
JEFF BINGHAM:
Welcome, fellow youngster (I'm about to turn 18...)
> Also a small complaint, to see if anyone agrees with me. Being a
>Ludite at heart and born fully equipped to handle the eighteenth century
>only to find I'm way too late, I object to the computer drawn lettering
>in the new issues. The lettering seems to violently clash with soft
>curves of the hand drawn figures. Does it take too much time to add in
>hand lettering? I see it as spending the time to create a statue but
>leave off the nose.
You have a point here. Sometimes the "computer lettering" can make the comic
itself feel like a silent movie with subtitles...
There is the possibility of creating a font based on hand drawn lettering
from comics, making the text look quite realistic. I once created such a
font with only a few letters that I needed in to put in a balloon. After
having cleaned the edges in a graphics editor it looked quite good. It
shouldn't be too hard to create a good "clean" font like that if you really
want to.
(Well, silly me. I _know_ there exists such fonts, but I just don't know if
they have been used in comics. Anyone know more?)
Better stop writing now, three more Digests just dropped in (phew!)
Martin Berglund
Sweden
Welcome, fellow youngster (I'm about to turn 18...)
> Also a small complaint, to see if anyone agrees with me. Being a
>Ludite at heart and born fully equipped to handle the eighteenth century
>only to find I'm way too late, I object to the computer drawn lettering
>in the new issues. The lettering seems to violently clash with soft
>curves of the hand drawn figures. Does it take too much time to add in
>hand lettering? I see it as spending the time to create a statue but
>leave off the nose.
You have a point here. Sometimes the "computer lettering" can make the comic
itself feel like a silent movie with subtitles...
There is the possibility of creating a font based on hand drawn lettering
from comics, making the text look quite realistic. I once created such a
font with only a few letters that I needed in to put in a balloon. After
having cleaned the edges in a graphics editor it looked quite good. It
shouldn't be too hard to create a good "clean" font like that if you really
want to.
(Well, silly me. I _know_ there exists such fonts, but I just don't know if
they have been used in comics. Anyone know more?)
Better stop writing now, three more Digests just dropped in (phew!)
Martin Berglund
Sweden
Donald D. Markstein
Junkville Journal
Message 204 -
1998-08-11 at 18:20:05
CHRISTOPHER BARAT --
Oh yeah, Jackie Gleason! Seems like I recalled
several titles too, but could only find one from DC in
Overstreet. (The only other one was from St. John, which
also licensed the Terrytoons characters at the time.)
There was nothing listed under "Gleason", and the only
"Honeymooners" entries were from the 1980s. I do recall
that the St. John version did stories and gags based on
several Gleason stage personalities (such as "The Poor
Soul" and "Reginald van Gleason III"), not just the
Honeymooners, so maybe that's why it seems like there
were several titles.
I do recall there being only one story in the Bob
Hope and Jerry Lewis comics (DC's two longest-running
personality titles), but I'm no expert, especially on the
early issues.
(Hey, don't blame me for this off-topic stuff! I
didn't bring Bob Hope into the conversation!)
DAVID GERSTEIN --
It sometimes does seem as if the past is better
than the present -- but that's only because of the rosy
filters we use in looking at it. We often remember the
good stuff as being better, and sometimes forget the bad
or mediocre stuff altogether.
It's easy to think of the past as consisting of
Carl Barks, Floyd Gottfredson and a few others (which
would be an example of another factor in making the past
seem better -- their best work was never part of the same
"present"). But there was a fair amount of dross diluting
it and bringing the average quality down -- dross that we
scarcely recall today.
I'm with you -- I'll match the typical current
Egmont Disney comic against the typical Gold Key one, and
I'll bet the Egmont delivers more punch per page. I don't
see the Italian or Dutch material as often, but I always
enjoy the current Egmont output.
Quack, Don
Oh yeah, Jackie Gleason! Seems like I recalled
several titles too, but could only find one from DC in
Overstreet. (The only other one was from St. John, which
also licensed the Terrytoons characters at the time.)
There was nothing listed under "Gleason", and the only
"Honeymooners" entries were from the 1980s. I do recall
that the St. John version did stories and gags based on
several Gleason stage personalities (such as "The Poor
Soul" and "Reginald van Gleason III"), not just the
Honeymooners, so maybe that's why it seems like there
were several titles.
I do recall there being only one story in the Bob
Hope and Jerry Lewis comics (DC's two longest-running
personality titles), but I'm no expert, especially on the
early issues.
(Hey, don't blame me for this off-topic stuff! I
didn't bring Bob Hope into the conversation!)
DAVID GERSTEIN --
It sometimes does seem as if the past is better
than the present -- but that's only because of the rosy
filters we use in looking at it. We often remember the
good stuff as being better, and sometimes forget the bad
or mediocre stuff altogether.
It's easy to think of the past as consisting of
Carl Barks, Floyd Gottfredson and a few others (which
would be an example of another factor in making the past
seem better -- their best work was never part of the same
"present"). But there was a fair amount of dross diluting
it and bringing the average quality down -- dross that we
scarcely recall today.
I'm with you -- I'll match the typical current
Egmont Disney comic against the typical Gold Key one, and
I'll bet the Egmont delivers more punch per page. I don't
see the Italian or Dutch material as often, but I always
enjoy the current Egmont output.
Quack, Don
Anders Chr. Sivebæk
Mickey Mouse
Message 205 -
1998-08-11 at 20:53:54
Harry is absolutely right.
We don't talk much about the mice.
The reason I did not like Mickey as a kid,
was because of all the "detective-stories".
Mickey is always lucky and solves the case,
the stories had a happy end, unlike manny
Donald-stories.
Maybe I read the wrong stories, because it's only
in this last year that I really discovered Paul Murry's
work, and other persons works (Floyd Gott....
(how's the name spelled?) and Romano Scarpa)
Well then, would any of you recommend some stories
for me to read, to get more fond of these, and other
great mice-artists?
Actually I have the impression that both Mickey and Goofy
have many relatives, but there has not been made a family
tree, or has there?
Anders Christian
(Email removed)
We don't talk much about the mice.
The reason I did not like Mickey as a kid,
was because of all the "detective-stories".
Mickey is always lucky and solves the case,
the stories had a happy end, unlike manny
Donald-stories.
Maybe I read the wrong stories, because it's only
in this last year that I really discovered Paul Murry's
work, and other persons works (Floyd Gott....
(how's the name spelled?) and Romano Scarpa)
Well then, would any of you recommend some stories
for me to read, to get more fond of these, and other
great mice-artists?
Actually I have the impression that both Mickey and Goofy
have many relatives, but there has not been made a family
tree, or has there?
Anders Christian
(Email removed)
Anders Chr. Sivebæk
Tribute to Grandma Duck
Message 206 -
1998-08-11 at 21:03:00
Elvira Coot 11th august 1940 -
Happy Birthday to you
Happy Birthday to you
Happy Birthday dear Grandma
Happy Birthday to you
I'm pretty sure it's Grandma Duck's Birthday
(or should I say, 58 years jubilee) today (11th august)
According to the new master (Don Rosa, I saw an article,
today calling you just that) she was born in 1855.
It must have been on a sunday page by Bob Karp and Al Taliaferro
Anyway, congratulations!
Anders Christian
Happy Birthday to you
Happy Birthday to you
Happy Birthday dear Grandma
Happy Birthday to you
I'm pretty sure it's Grandma Duck's Birthday
(or should I say, 58 years jubilee) today (11th august)
According to the new master (Don Rosa, I saw an article,
today calling you just that) she was born in 1855.
It must have been on a sunday page by Bob Karp and Al Taliaferro
Anyway, congratulations!
Anders Christian
Anders Chr. Sivebæk
Scrooge Mc Duck 1867 - 1967
Message 207 -
1998-08-11 at 21:03:09
The other day some member mentioned that Scrooge
is a fictive person, yes suddenly I understand;-)
That's why it actually makes me sad to see that
Don Rosa says he died in 1967, though I CAN see
why (because Barks stopped drawing?)
It also makes me shed a tear to see Don's drawing
from 1991 where Donald, Daisy, Huey, Dewey and Louie
are stending by Scrooge's thombstone. But maybe
that's just because it is so good drawed?
But then I also saw a Drawing of a Birthday cake which
Scrooge, Mathilda and Hortense is standing around;
but on the cake it says 1947-1997 (Scrooge's first appearence -
last year)
Were you told to write that Don, because you realise that
3 dead ducks can't stand by a birthday cake?
(Am I or am I not contadicting my self here?)
Anders Christian
is a fictive person, yes suddenly I understand;-)
That's why it actually makes me sad to see that
Don Rosa says he died in 1967, though I CAN see
why (because Barks stopped drawing?)
It also makes me shed a tear to see Don's drawing
from 1991 where Donald, Daisy, Huey, Dewey and Louie
are stending by Scrooge's thombstone. But maybe
that's just because it is so good drawed?
But then I also saw a Drawing of a Birthday cake which
Scrooge, Mathilda and Hortense is standing around;
but on the cake it says 1947-1997 (Scrooge's first appearence -
last year)
Were you told to write that Don, because you realise that
3 dead ducks can't stand by a birthday cake?
(Am I or am I not contadicting my self here?)
Anders Christian
Anders Chr. Sivebæk
The Mail Box
Message 208 -
1998-08-11 at 21:03:18
In the next weeks (and in the past weeks) the mail box
will be my best friend! Some people here on the list will
now what I'm talking about.
Tomorrow or the day after that I'll receive some american
comic books from a comic book store in Copenhagen.
Yesterday I received an album from a fellow list member
(Thank you, Birte Scheel!)
I'm also looking forward to other things from my friend, the
mail box, but I'll keep you informed (if you're interested at all:)
Anders Christian
(Email removed)
will be my best friend! Some people here on the list will
now what I'm talking about.
Tomorrow or the day after that I'll receive some american
comic books from a comic book store in Copenhagen.
Yesterday I received an album from a fellow list member
(Thank you, Birte Scheel!)
I'm also looking forward to other things from my friend, the
mail box, but I'll keep you informed (if you're interested at all:)
Anders Christian
(Email removed)
Anders Chr. Sivebæk
Scrooge-drawing by Don + What is a dilly?
Message 209 -
1998-08-11 at 21:30:35
Hello again
BTW the drawing with DD, Da, HDL standing by
Scrooge's thombstone can be found at the duckhunt
fanpages under Covers (RV 4, whatever that means is
the code for the drawing on this page)
The other drawing was not the one with Mathilda and
Hortense, which had the right years, sorry! The drawing
I was thinking about is called rwdc612 and is showing
Scrooge and 3 of his enemies.
About "RV 4": Here's what Donald says: "Hey, Daisy?
Whatever happened to Scrooge? Is that what you asked?
His final adventure is a tale that will probably never be told ...
but it WAS a dilly"
Which was this tale, and what was it about, hmmm I forgot,
It will never be told, or what?
A question someone might be able to answer:
What is a dilly???
Anders Christian
BTW the drawing with DD, Da, HDL standing by
Scrooge's thombstone can be found at the duckhunt
fanpages under Covers (RV 4, whatever that means is
the code for the drawing on this page)
The other drawing was not the one with Mathilda and
Hortense, which had the right years, sorry! The drawing
I was thinking about is called rwdc612 and is showing
Scrooge and 3 of his enemies.
About "RV 4": Here's what Donald says: "Hey, Daisy?
Whatever happened to Scrooge? Is that what you asked?
His final adventure is a tale that will probably never be told ...
but it WAS a dilly"
Which was this tale, and what was it about, hmmm I forgot,
It will never be told, or what?
A question someone might be able to answer:
What is a dilly???
Anders Christian
Francesco Spreafico
Digest #191 + #193
Message 210 -
1998-08-11 at 22:52:05
Hi everybody!
DONALD wrote:
> You're reading through the entire archive before
> contributing regularly? Hey, this isn't an American
> superhero comic -- you don't have to memorize all the
> back issues to know what's going on.
Indeed. I'll keep reading the archive, but I'll keep posting my useless messages
too.
PAOLO wrote:
>> And how come you have 99 issues and need #99? Is there a >>#0 that I know not
of?
>There have been 100 issues...
Oh... I feel really stupid. I may as well have learned to read at 3, but I
still have to learn to count :-)
But if you do need that issue, let me know off list.
Ciao
Francesco
DONALD wrote:
> You're reading through the entire archive before
> contributing regularly? Hey, this isn't an American
> superhero comic -- you don't have to memorize all the
> back issues to know what's going on.
Indeed. I'll keep reading the archive, but I'll keep posting my useless messages
too.
PAOLO wrote:
>> And how come you have 99 issues and need #99? Is there a >>#0 that I know not
of?
>There have been 100 issues...
Oh... I feel really stupid. I may as well have learned to read at 3, but I
still have to learn to count :-)
But if you do need that issue, let me know off list.
Ciao
Francesco