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Frank Fabian:

> I should think otherwise. CDs are estimated to have a "life expectancy" of
> about 50 years, whereas printed books, provided the paper is acid-free,
> easily last for centuries. The oldest printed *book* is considerer to be
> the Gutenberg bible, which was printed shortly after 1450 and still around
> in several copies in perfect condition.

As I have never seen the Gutenberg bible have no idea how its being
kept; however if I were to venture a guess I'd say artefact like that
would be stored in the best possible manner. And if CD would be
contained with similar precision I'd expect it too to last somewhat
longer than 50 years.
However, I hope that no one decides to try to store CD for decades as it
can be easily (and relatively reliably) copied with no change other than
the possible one in brand mark on the CD.

Teme
Don Rosa
From Anders Christian:
>I have a question for all you Wolf-readers
>Is there one or two Bears in the forest outside
>Duckburg were the Wolfs and the Rabbits Live?
>On the character page it seems like there's only one...
>But he has so different personality in different stories.
>E. g. in a story with Br'er Rabbit, he and Br'er Fox
>will catch the Rabbit and try to cook him,
>(somehow they never succeed in doing that...
>And in the stories with Li'l Bad Wolf there's a bear
>(we call him farmer Bear, who is friendly and helps
>the pigs, he even knocks BBW on the head or shoots
>him when he tries to eat the pigs

No, please, have mercy on me! I'm succeeding in staying out of the
discussion of whether Ducks in Duckburg were hatched from eggs (the very
idea that anyone would think for an instant these characters were hatched,
much less laid in wild-duck nests in trees as in Rota's life of DD story,
gives me...
brrrrr..... the creeps). The "ducks" and "dogs" and "pigs" in Duckburg are
simply human beings drawn in such odd visual ways for reasons I have never
felt a need to wonder about.
But I *must* assert that any talking rabbits,
foxes and wolves live in some other Disney Universe and are *not* found near
Duckburg or anywhere else on the same planet with Duckburg, where all the
rabbits and foxes and wolves are simply *normal* rabbits and foxes and
wolves (well, all except that *one* rabbit that was hit by Gyro's smart-ray
and never de-smarted, but he seems to have disappeared, probably became
roadkill or dinner at Grandma's).

And I answered K.W.Greenlee's query about comic/book/music stores in
Louisville by private e-mail...
Heitmann, Owen James - HEIOJ001
G'day,

There have been a few comments lately regarding people's opinions on the
prestige format vs regular comics. Of course, the cost of the prestige
books is a wee bit prohibitive, and it would be nice to have at least
one cheap book to encourage the next generation of Barks (and Rosa and
Van Horn etc) fans, but my only real comment on the situation is this:
the prestige books look just great when I get them, but after a single
reading in my hot little hands the spine gets warped an incredible
amount! (Phew, that was a long sentence.) Anyway, I know the stories are
just as good afterwards, and I don't ever plan to sell my comics, but
I'm just the kind of guy who likes to keep my comics in good condition
for my own satisfaction. Does anybody else find that simply reading
their comics has this effect?

Also, another question: did anybody else notice (or, more relevently,
did anybody else care) that when Disney were publishing the comics,
their colouring policy changed? The duck's eyes were always a light
blue, whereas Gladstone has them white, and Mickey's face was a light
pink, which Gladstone has also as white. The changes occurred even when
the same colourists worked for the different companies. I think that
Gladstone has it right for the duck's eyes, but, personally, I prefer
Mickey's face to be a light, pastel pink. I just think it looks better.
And that also is in line with Gladstone's idea of keeping in line with
the early cartoons (I know I read that somewhere), since some of them
had the pink faced Mickey. And does anyone know the reason for the
difference?

All questions, no answers. How typical.

Cheers,

Owen Heitmann
Erik Hørthe
In -The Ultimate Disney Trivia Book- that was written by Kevin Neary and
Dave Smith, one of the questions are: In 1978 a group of Finns cencored
Donald Duck comics. What didn t they like about his clothing? The answer:
They were shocked that Donald Duck doesn t wear pants. Two questions pop
up: What group of Finns were these people? And what did they do when they
cencored Aku Ankka, did they really give him pants?

Erik Horthe
Kyrimis
FRANK FABIAN:

> You know, i before e except after c? No offense intended!) ;-) :-)

So that's why many Americans misspell "weird"!

Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://cti.gr/~kyrimis
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"Just because something is not possible does not mean it can't be
done--especially by someone who doesn't know any better."
-----
Dr. Archontis Pantsios
Fellow Quackeroos:

It was not easy getting back to a very *HOT* Thessaloniki after two weeks in
the island of Thassos, but here I am again, in the company of (familiar)
"strangers".

KOMIX #122 hit the stands a couple of days ago, and FYI it features the
following:

1) On its cover, Barks' oil painting "Sailing the Spanish Main".
2) Barks' "Hall of the Mermaid Queen" and "Missile Fizzle".
3) Murry's "The Vanishing Zoo".

In an earlier posting KRITON wrote about Scarpa's "The last Ballaboo":

>I don't know about the recent publication in Komix (If there was one,
>I'm not 100% certain), but in the first Greek printing it was called
>something like LAMBOO or LABOO. (The actual Greek spelling is
>Lambda-alpha-mu-pi-omicron-upsilon. The "mu-pi" combination can be
>pronounced as either "mb" or "b", depending on the word.)

Scarpa's "The last Ballaboo" WAS printed in KOMIX #61 five years ago. The
Ballaboo was called...just that: Ballaboo.

Cheers,

Archontis
Juhana K Kouhia
>From: "www.conk.com/world/teme" <(Email removed)>
>Subject: about collecting and storing stories
>
>clarification: Juhana, I agree totally with you that CD (or any
>computerbased media) is much more versitile as a storoge unit than mere
>paper. What I ment to say in my prev. post to this list was that in my
>opinion those who put so much emphasis on 'the actual item' (as in paper
>comix book) might not be as interested in storing and reading *the
>stories* as they are in enhancing their collection.

I agree. The CB CD project I'm suggesting would just make stories available
in a format which is more better than a paper copy (except that you cannot
read them in the bed etc.). And by better I mean that a reader may read
the story in her language or in english, for example. Only reason to
use the originals (as much as possible) is that they are not ruined
as much as the recent reprints.

Anyone know a contact address to Disney such that I may propose this
project for them? I indeed want to tell what we readers want technically
from the CD, so, it is not enough that they hear about the idea and make
the CD the easy way.

About the other CB CD project -- scanning old magazines: right, it takes
75+ year before we can enjoy the stories. Most of us are dead then.
The point simply is that it is our right to have the stories when they
go to public domain. We have to guard our and our grand children's rights.

If you would like to have a CD with full of old magazines scanned in,
then you should contact to Disney. They already publish poorly processed
look-a-like copies of old magazines in yearly books. They could be
interested in scanning the stories to CD.

But, I'm interested in to get *now* some hard-to-get CB stories as scanned
images. Privately.

Yours,

Juhana
Fluks, H.W.
From the computer of Tristan Havelick came:

> One thing I dont understand about the new computer coloring. Why is it that
> they still credit colorists?
> [..] when some guy sits down at a computer and points and clicks a few times
> to add effects; this doesnt seem like art. Heck, I, college Freshman
> business student could do that!

And I could have written that mail. After all, I only have to punch a
few keys on my keyboard. So what's the use of saying that YOU wrote that
piece of text?

Colouring a comic by computer is really more complex than just a few
points and clicks!

--Harry.
(Well, my computer made this message and sent it, but I'll take the
credit for it.)
Soeren Krarup Olesen
> Stefan Diös:
> >> the villain with the moustache,
> >>> known in Denmark as "Sorte Slyngel" and in Sweden "Sorte Klat"

Yes, he is "Sorte Slyngel" (Black Villain) in Danish.
It's funny, because I have seen this "Sorte Klat" (Black Spot)
name as well?!
Did you know, BTW, that there exists a "Blege Bengel"
(= something like "Light Lout") as well. He is The Phantom Blot's
brother and he looks exactly like him, except of course he is
completely white - like a ghost. He was used in D 95071
(probably drawn by Bancells), runs a restaurant and pretty much
seems like a nice guy ;-)

Soeren

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End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #184
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Francois Willot
Hi everyone!

I think I've discovered (hem, hem) a new Scroogette, and even a new
girlfriend of Scrooge in an obscure Italian story... It's "Paperino e l=
a
mezzanotte di fuoco", I TL 616-C.

This old story was badly drawn by Luciano Capitanio, but the plot is
very good (the script is by Guido Martina, so that's not surprising).
After a hard trip in the desert (with scorpions etc.), Donald and
Scrooge visit a "ghost" city, and meet Rosy C=9Curenbois (literally Ros=
y
heart in wood), an old woman that Scrooge met 50 years ago in the same
city. 50 years ago, she said she'll marry him when he'll be rich (he wa=
s
poor at the time). Scrooge went out of the city to be rich and never
return. After that, Rosy only waited three days and married someone
else. Now, I'll stop here, I don't want to entirely spoil the story. Is
there someone who recalls this story? And what about Rosy C=9Curenbois'
original Italian name?

Best to all...

Francois
Donald D. Markstein
TRISTAN HAVELICK --
I prefer the 1992 edition of Overstreet. It was in
'93 that he decided to stop listing a lot of modern
series, so '92 contains the most recent version of the
most useful aspect of the book -- the bibliography.
On the Bob Hope comics, I'm with Don Rosa --
they're very enjoyable. I don't have a wonderfully huge
collection of them, but those I have, I like. The same
goes for DC's other long-running comic based on a
real-life comedian, Adventures of Jerry Lewis. They're
not in the range of greatness of Barks, Kelly, Eisner,
etc., but they were reliably entertaining, over a long
period of time. (DC also did several shorter-lived series
based on real show-biz personalities, including Alan Ladd
and Pat Boone.)

>> "my credit goes to the computer, not the person running
>> it."
No computer has ever written a story, drawn a
picture, or colored a comic. It is simply a tool. It may
be easier to color a comic that way than with a brush,
just as it's easier to write with a word processor than
with a quill pen -- but the creative part of the job,
whether meticulously beautiful or dull and mediocre, is
still the work of the person whose hands are on the mouse
and keyboard.

DON ROSA --
>> "The "ducks" and "dogs" and "pigs" in Duckburg are
>> simply human beings drawn in such odd visual ways for
>> reasons I have never felt a need to wonder about."
I've always thought of the ducks, pigs, mice, etc.,
as racial minorities, with the dogs being the majority
race. Otherwise, how could the Ducks occasionally be
referred to specifically as ducks (as for example
Neighbor Jones did in a 1940s quote cited here recently)?
Obviously, Calisota has little if any racial
tension -- a shining example for us all!

JUHANA K KOUHIA --
I couldn't say where or how to go about contacting
Disney about your pet CD-ROM project, but I'll give you a
word of advice: When you approach them, don't even
mention how great the project would be or how well it
would serve the fans. Tell them how much money they could
make from it, and do so in such a way that you have a
chance of convincing them you can deliver it.
And DO expect them to dictate certain small
changes in a few stories -- and possibly even to disallow
some stories to be used at all. The stories belong to them.
They have a right to retire some from use.
Oh, and a word about copyrights. The Duck stories
are copyrighted by the Disney corporation, not by Barks;
therefore, the copyright lasts a straight 75 years.
HOWEVER, do not expect the stories to go into the public
domain 75 years after they appeared. For one thing,
Disney will still hold trademarks to the names and
likenesses of the characters, and trademarks don't expire
as long as they're in continuous use.
Second, there are proposals now in the process of
becoming law to extend copyrights to 95 years or even
longer, and I'd be willing to bet this comes to pass
before the copyright on anything by Barks runs out.
Third, copyright, schmopyright -- this is Disney.
If you try to use anything they think of as theirs, it
doesn't matter where the law stands -- they'll sue you
for your back teeth. Even if you win, the legal fees will
leave you a pauper.
And don't bother telling us how unjust this
is. It's a fact, and facts are no respecters of our
opinions about right and wrong.

WHAT I DO WITH MY COMICS --
I dive around in them like a porpoise, burrow
through them like a gopher, and toss them up and let
them hit me on the head. Isn't that what everybody does
with them?

Quack, Don
Claudio Eckert
Hello everybody!
Can anyone explain, how the mailing-list is sended to us? I wonder how it=
is possible, that I sometimes can read answers to questions asked in the=
*same* Mail. =

And no, I'm *not* staying on this island at the edge of time... :-)

- Claudio
Don Rosa
From: Juhana K Kouhia :
>>>>Anyone know a contact address to Disney such that I may propose this
project for them? I indeed want to tell what we readers want technically

You are (as you may know) in Finland. It is not Disney that publishes or
produces Disney comics in Finland, but it is Helsinki Media who, in
partnership with Egmont, has the sole rights in your country to produce
Disney comics and books and CDs and I'd guess virtually anything else
"media" related. So it would not be to Disney you would suggest such ideas,
it would be to Helsinki Media. And you can consider it done because they are
reading this Mailing List.
This also pertains to the various "griping" you were doing recently about
the Disney comics in Finland. The proper editors and so forth have seen your
comments, which I assume should please you. But I'm not saying this to worry
you that they are going to send some thugs over to rough you up and firebomb
your sauna. In fact, though there are nice folks at all the European
Disney-comics publishing branches that I've visited over the years,
absolutely the nicest *bunch* of folks and overall truest comics fans
(rather than people merely filling jobs) is at Helsinki Media!
Anders Chr. Sivebæk
Soeren Schridde. Thanks for writing about the
woodchucks (BTW I've noticed that colour thing
too, especially on covers) Faehnlein Fieselschweif,
isn't that what you call the the JW?
According to my dictionary Faehnlein means little flag.
Schweif actually means tale, and that isn't a beak, is it?
Could you tell me what fiesel means? Does it mean
green (?), I couldn't find that word anywhere...

To you others too, would someone retell what a wood-
chuck is, does anyone now the correct word in Danish?

Don Rosa
sorry about my mixing the universes I was just thinking in therms of the
norwegian book Donaldismen where there is a drawing, where all those
animals are put just outside the city border (or frontier, whatever). I
actually remember a story (Sheepish Cowboys) where BBwolf appeared, but I
don't suppose it was that good.
What about your story D 97052. What did the letters mean, what do they
stand for?

SKO, you wwere writing about the Phantom Blot, I (Dane) remember that Light
Lout story, at least I remember seing that white ghost. The other name you
mentioned for Black Villain (Black Spot that was) was in a story about who
wrote books about the Phantom Blot (Or some very likely character). The
story was actually about the last of a series of books that Mickey wrote.
Sadly I only remember seing the story in Swedish or Norwegian and not even
the story code!

Good night!
Anders Christian
(Email removed)
Berglund
Hi all, sorry about that slight outburst of insanity on my part in digest
#168. I hope I didn't offend any of you with all that nonsense...

On to more enjoyable things... I recently picked up part four of the
Gladstone "the first two years of McDuck adventures by Keno Don Rosa",
mainly because of "His Majesty McDuck" which I do not think has been
published in Sweden(?)...

maybe...hm...oh well: MAJOR SPOILER ALERT FOR THOSE WHO HAS YET TO READ "HIS
MAJESTY MCDUCK"!!!!!!! (I mean it)

Bl**dy excellent! (pardon). Well, that's what first came to mind after
having read it...

I have some questions, but firs let me comment on the two (without doubt)
funniest panels of that story.
The first is the one with $crooge's comment on the goose egg nugget in the
Whitehorse deposit box ("Hmm...I'd been wondering where that was!")
The second where Donald is crossing th border and the CH officer asks: "Is
the purpose of your trip business or pleasure? Are you transporting any
fruit?". That, combined with the look on Donalds face had me ROTR (rolling
on the rug)

Also nice to see yet another appearance of Sir Swamphole... (kind of rough
on him in the end though isn't it? I mean with the stoves & that...) A
potential "Boer-War-Cannon-Destruction-Problem" perhaps

Donald's "Oh, the shame! The ignominy!" is also quite golden...

Is it just me, or did Cornelius Coot remind any of you of Gladstone Gander,
not only by the looks but also by what happened at Fort Duckburg? Could it
be the beginning of the "luck gene" in the family?

And the ending got me thinkng: is $crooge eligible for american
citizenship? :) Just a thought...

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!END OF SPOILER PART!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CLAUDIO:

>I still wonder about one -
>IMO strange - thing: It's the compass HD&L find at the near end of the
>story. Well, it is ROUND, but the square people even stored it in their
>museum!

I thought about that too... strange that they also idolized someone who gave
them such a round item as a gift to the country....

>I understand that they perhaps didn't looked close enaugh at
>Donald's round jacket buttons (or some other things, the Ducks carefully
>change at the beginning of Don's sequel), but... Any suggestions?
>

Maybe Barks _did_ think about it but deliberately didn't do anything about
it. I always saw it as the reason the man died... he gave away his compass
and that's why he couldn't find his way out of the fog...

>>>They had a time-mashine which Mickey and Goofy use in those series;
>
>>>what's their names in your countries?
>Anders:
>>It seems you're talking about the characters named Prof. Zapotec and Pr=
>>of.
>>Marlin in Italy.
>Now I remember! These are the german names, too. =

And in Sweden too! Strange how some names won't change....

BTW some people seem to be writing "mashine" when it really is spelled
"machine". (No offense meant people!)
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