ANDERS, KATIE:
The older woman in "The Mystery of the Ghosttown Railroad" was Katie
Mallard. Her granddaughter was Duckie Bird.
HALSTEN:
After Scrooge hit the 80 years mark in 1947, he developed the normal human
(yes, human) fear of aging, so he simply lied about his age! That's my
understanding of that gag.
BTW, I've remembered more examples of Barksian self-reference:
In "The Beauty Business" in WDC&S 308, the penultimate story that Barks
wrote for that title, Daisy gets a haircut with a "new look"--and continues
wearing into "The Not-So-Ancient Mariner" in WDC&S 312!
In the first Woodchucks story, "Operation Rescue St. Bernard" (WDC&S 125),
HDL climb the ranks from colonels to 5-star generals. Then, in "Ten-Star
Generals" (WDC&S 132, the story mentioning the Little Booneheads), they are
promoted to that rank from the one which finished the previous story! Then
in WDC&S 137 (the famous Screaming Cowboy story), a local Woodchuck
recognizes them as "ten-star generals"!
DON:
Don't be too sure about ALL other Dell writers not reading Barks' work.
Likely some of them didn't--stories like "Southern Hospitality" leave one to
wonder. But as has been pointed out on this list, Tony Strobl's remake of
Barks' "The Think Box Bollix" as part of "This is Your Life, DD" was more
than just coincidence! (BTW, was this subplot part of the film as well?)
Strobl also redrew (with script by Carl Fallberg) "Some Heir Over the
Rainbow" as "The Money Muddle," and possibly other similar exanples,
although currently my memory fails. But the similarity does not end with
direct remakes of certain stories. The most remarkable of these is that
SEVERAL non-Barks stories from the 60s and possibly into the 70s make
reference to Scrooge having mined in the Klondike! Granted, with only vague
guidelines like you make out ("This duck lives in this big building which is
full of money, has to fight off these robbers with names like '176', and
always takes advantage of his nephew Donald..."), one could make stories
resembling Barks by the slightest coincidence, but to remember this element
of McDuck mythos, ever-prominent in the landmark "Back to the Klondike"
itself but later used only as an occasional background gag to give Scrooge
adventurous color, one must have had something goin'! The 1958 story, "The
Saga of Sourdough Sam" (written by unknown, drawn by Paul Murry, reprinted
in 1997's DD ADVENTURES 42), in addition to Scrooge's Klondike days being
nentioned, also makes unmistakable references to two 1949 stories! The scene
wherein the Ducks journey through the fog into the tropical valley, and the
gag in which an old-timer mistakes Donald for young Scrooge, are much too
identical to corresponding moments in "Lost in the Andes" and "Voodoo
Hoodoo" to dismiss. And a 1955 story, "The Castle Heirs" (DD 42), makes
reference to Scrooge's Scottish ancestry!
On the other side, you know that the writers didn't read Barks when, as
Harry Fluks pointed out here once, you have stories where Scrooge and his
brother Gyro conquer Duckburg from the Greeks in 1850.
--Jonathan Markoff
"String IS better! But us Woodchucks are taught to get along without
department stores!"
--Carl Barks, "Ten Star Generals"
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Markoff
Ghosts, birthdays, and continuity
Message 91 -
1998-08-06 at 08:18:36
Mikko Pohjola
Donald without pants
Message 92 -
1998-08-06 at 09:55:22
Somebody asked about the censorship of Donald in the Finland of 1978.
Those post-hippie-pre-yuppie days were full of moralising hippocrates and
the atmosphere of the era was not very tolerable.
Anyway, some sort of a concerned parents' association in Kemi (a very
Northern town in Finland) suddenly noticed that not only is Donald Duck
not married to Daisy but they both go without pants. What a horrible
example for kids! Worried that their children will start having
pre-marital sex (without their pants on!) reading Duck comics they somehow
manage to make the Kemi city council to withdraw all Aku Ankka magazines
from all public city-funded places such as hospital waiting rooms etc.
This got some attention in both Finnish and international news as being
about the most utterly ridiculous thing and surely a sign of the Last
Days. The decision was quickly canceled, and nowadays Kemi town is the
host of Finland's biggest comic convention each year.
Before Juhana's comments I had never heard any stories about commnunist
interferance regarding Donald's bare tail.
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
Those post-hippie-pre-yuppie days were full of moralising hippocrates and
the atmosphere of the era was not very tolerable.
Anyway, some sort of a concerned parents' association in Kemi (a very
Northern town in Finland) suddenly noticed that not only is Donald Duck
not married to Daisy but they both go without pants. What a horrible
example for kids! Worried that their children will start having
pre-marital sex (without their pants on!) reading Duck comics they somehow
manage to make the Kemi city council to withdraw all Aku Ankka magazines
from all public city-funded places such as hospital waiting rooms etc.
This got some attention in both Finnish and international news as being
about the most utterly ridiculous thing and surely a sign of the Last
Days. The decision was quickly canceled, and nowadays Kemi town is the
host of Finland's biggest comic convention each year.
Before Juhana's comments I had never heard any stories about commnunist
interferance regarding Donald's bare tail.
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
Bror Hellman
Gyro's Hair
Message 93 -
1998-08-06 at 10:02:23
> There are some scenes all over Barks' stories where Gryo's
> cap is somehow moved oder complete away, but I would
> mention the one, where he wants to go swimming in his
> pool, although he can't swim at all (US 24/2). But: the
> best view of his head we have in CP 8/1 (Chrismas Parade).
> Gyro wants to relax from inventing and visits Grandma Duck
> (but after all he invents a mashine that build all kinds of food
> from just gound, air and water.) In one panel, Little Helper
> brushes Gyro's *full* hair.
Well.. I would suggest someone of these three explanations for Gyro's
hair mystery.
1) To let the hair follow Gyro's hat up in the air are only used for a
comic effect and does
not actually mean that Gyros is wearing a wig.
2) Gyro is a chicken and should have white feathers on his head just
like Donald.
He has a wig on to hide bumps and bruises he got from hitting his head
with a mallet.
I presume a person which frequently hits himself on the head with a
large mallet will tear
throug quite a lot of wigs and that the different "coverage" of the wig
can be explained
with different state of the actual wigs present condition.
3) Gyro is a somewhat unlucky inventor sometimes. His experiments will
frequently go haywire. He propably lose all his hair from time to time
to chemical
experiments or new and improved shaving and shearing machines In that
case
he might use a wig until his natural hair grows out again so to avoid
questions
from potential customers about the failure.
With anyone of these three explanations Gyro could be depicted
with wig, full hair, and everything inbetween without causing the author
any embarrassment on this list... :-)
Well, Don or Don, when will we get to read the story about Gyro's hair?
:-)
Steamboat Willie
> cap is somehow moved oder complete away, but I would
> mention the one, where he wants to go swimming in his
> pool, although he can't swim at all (US 24/2). But: the
> best view of his head we have in CP 8/1 (Chrismas Parade).
> Gyro wants to relax from inventing and visits Grandma Duck
> (but after all he invents a mashine that build all kinds of food
> from just gound, air and water.) In one panel, Little Helper
> brushes Gyro's *full* hair.
Well.. I would suggest someone of these three explanations for Gyro's
hair mystery.
1) To let the hair follow Gyro's hat up in the air are only used for a
comic effect and does
not actually mean that Gyros is wearing a wig.
2) Gyro is a chicken and should have white feathers on his head just
like Donald.
He has a wig on to hide bumps and bruises he got from hitting his head
with a mallet.
I presume a person which frequently hits himself on the head with a
large mallet will tear
throug quite a lot of wigs and that the different "coverage" of the wig
can be explained
with different state of the actual wigs present condition.
3) Gyro is a somewhat unlucky inventor sometimes. His experiments will
frequently go haywire. He propably lose all his hair from time to time
to chemical
experiments or new and improved shaving and shearing machines In that
case
he might use a wig until his natural hair grows out again so to avoid
questions
from potential customers about the failure.
With anyone of these three explanations Gyro could be depicted
with wig, full hair, and everything inbetween without causing the author
any embarrassment on this list... :-)
Well, Don or Don, when will we get to read the story about Gyro's hair?
:-)
Steamboat Willie
Don Rosa
Digest #185-186
Message 94 -
1998-08-06 at 10:25:29
From: Jonathan Markoff:
ANDERS SIVEBAEK:
>As a fan I know that Don Rosa's story D 97052 is called
> W. H. A. D. A. L. O. T. T. A. J. A. R. G. O. N.,
>but what do all those letters mean.
"When Huey And Dewey And Louie Originally Thought To Adapt Junior-woodchuck
Attitudes, Regulations, And Grandiose Organizational Nomenclature."
No, that was an error in the Gladstone lettering. In my original script it
was "Adopt", not "Adapt". Heaven knows they would not adapt (change) Junior
Woodchuck rules to suit themselves. It's too bad that this title will
forever be wrong now, since the Gladstone printing (the "official" printing
of any of my stories) contains an error.... same as it did with the story
that will forever be known as "Of Ducks, Dimes and Destinies" -- my title
was "Of Ducks and Dimes and Destinies", a seemingly small difference but
important (to me) as it is a reference to classic literature (Lewis
Carroll).
I was waiting to see if anyone knew all the (few) times when one Barks story
made a specific reference to any other Barks story... and I saw all but one
mentioned... though that one is rather obvious. But the second time that
Flintheart Glomgold appeared, the Ducks say "Hey, isn't that the guy we had
that ball-of-string contest in Africa with?" or words to that effect.
But... (Donald Markstein)... please site the second reference in a Barks
story (or any pre '87 story) to the Little Booneheads. I don't believe there
was one.
ANDERS SIVEBAEK:
>As a fan I know that Don Rosa's story D 97052 is called
> W. H. A. D. A. L. O. T. T. A. J. A. R. G. O. N.,
>but what do all those letters mean.
"When Huey And Dewey And Louie Originally Thought To Adapt Junior-woodchuck
Attitudes, Regulations, And Grandiose Organizational Nomenclature."
No, that was an error in the Gladstone lettering. In my original script it
was "Adopt", not "Adapt". Heaven knows they would not adapt (change) Junior
Woodchuck rules to suit themselves. It's too bad that this title will
forever be wrong now, since the Gladstone printing (the "official" printing
of any of my stories) contains an error.... same as it did with the story
that will forever be known as "Of Ducks, Dimes and Destinies" -- my title
was "Of Ducks and Dimes and Destinies", a seemingly small difference but
important (to me) as it is a reference to classic literature (Lewis
Carroll).
I was waiting to see if anyone knew all the (few) times when one Barks story
made a specific reference to any other Barks story... and I saw all but one
mentioned... though that one is rather obvious. But the second time that
Flintheart Glomgold appeared, the Ducks say "Hey, isn't that the guy we had
that ball-of-string contest in Africa with?" or words to that effect.
But... (Donald Markstein)... please site the second reference in a Barks
story (or any pre '87 story) to the Little Booneheads. I don't believe there
was one.
Claudia Rege Cambrin
Gutenberg Bible
Message 95 -
1998-08-06 at 10:46:21
Hi!
ABOUT THE GUTENBERG BIBLE:
Frank Fabian introduced the subject:
> CDs are estimated to have a "life expectancy" of
> about 50 years, whereas printed books, provided the paper is acid-free,
> easily last for centuries. The oldest printed *book* is considerer to be
> the Gutenberg bible, which was printed shortly after 1450 and still around
> in several copies in perfect condition.
And Teme answered:
> As I have never seen the Gutenberg bible have no idea how its being
> kept; however if I were to venture a guess I'd say artefact like that
> would be stored in the best possible manner.
Sorry this is going far too off-topic, but I would say I'm quite sure the
Gutenberg Bible was not printed on paper but on vellum (which, I think, has
a better resistance than paper), so we cannot really use it as a reference
for the "life expectancy" of our loved comics.
Sincerely,
Claudia, the fussy one 8-)
(((( --------------------------------------------------
jgs { '> Few women admit their age. Few men act theirs.
/ ,\ --------------------------------------------------
/_/ / Claudia Rege Cambrin ((Email removed))
===//="==== Corso Nazionale 161, 19125 La Spezia (SP) - ITALY
/ --------------------------------------------------
ABOUT THE GUTENBERG BIBLE:
Frank Fabian introduced the subject:
> CDs are estimated to have a "life expectancy" of
> about 50 years, whereas printed books, provided the paper is acid-free,
> easily last for centuries. The oldest printed *book* is considerer to be
> the Gutenberg bible, which was printed shortly after 1450 and still around
> in several copies in perfect condition.
And Teme answered:
> As I have never seen the Gutenberg bible have no idea how its being
> kept; however if I were to venture a guess I'd say artefact like that
> would be stored in the best possible manner.
Sorry this is going far too off-topic, but I would say I'm quite sure the
Gutenberg Bible was not printed on paper but on vellum (which, I think, has
a better resistance than paper), so we cannot really use it as a reference
for the "life expectancy" of our loved comics.
Sincerely,
Claudia, the fussy one 8-)
(((( --------------------------------------------------
jgs { '> Few women admit their age. Few men act theirs.
/ ,\ --------------------------------------------------
/_/ / Claudia Rege Cambrin ((Email removed))
===//="==== Corso Nazionale 161, 19125 La Spezia (SP) - ITALY
/ --------------------------------------------------
Fluks, H.W.
Round compass
Message 96 -
1998-08-06 at 11:53:47
> I still wonder about one -
> IMO strange - thing: It's the compass HD&L find at the near end of the
> story. Well, it is ROUND, but the square people even stored it in their
> museum!
I think I remember from the Dutch translation something like:
"We put it in a museum, so we never have to look at it again!"
(Which is a quite funny view on its own on museums...)
--Harry.
Harry Fluks, Leidschendam, The Netherlands
http://home.wxs.nl/~fluks4
http://members.xoom.com/bolderbast
> IMO strange - thing: It's the compass HD&L find at the near end of the
> story. Well, it is ROUND, but the square people even stored it in their
> museum!
I think I remember from the Dutch translation something like:
"We put it in a museum, so we never have to look at it again!"
(Which is a quite funny view on its own on museums...)
--Harry.
Harry Fluks, Leidschendam, The Netherlands
http://home.wxs.nl/~fluks4
http://members.xoom.com/bolderbast
Soeren Krarup Olesen
Mickey's face and the white blot
Message 97 -
1998-08-06 at 11:57:04
Paolo wrote:
> >Did you know, BTW, that there exists a "Blege Bengel"
> >(= something like "Light Lout") as well. He is The Phantom Blot's
> >brother and he looks exactly like him, except of course he is
> >completely white - like a ghost. He was used in D 95071
> >(probably drawn by Bancells), runs a restaurant and pretty much
> >seems like a nice guy ;-)
>
> ...Phantom Blot's brother???? Dressed in white????
> This is the WORST news I read on the latest messages! :-(
Sorry, if I spoiled your day. However, don't you think that
most of the Disney characters at some point have experienced
thier own double? Often a double with a character trait complete
opposite to themselves, like in I TL 385-A (Gyro) and I TL 295-B
(Scrooge). So, why not the Phamtom Blot?
Soeren
> >Did you know, BTW, that there exists a "Blege Bengel"
> >(= something like "Light Lout") as well. He is The Phantom Blot's
> >brother and he looks exactly like him, except of course he is
> >completely white - like a ghost. He was used in D 95071
> >(probably drawn by Bancells), runs a restaurant and pretty much
> >seems like a nice guy ;-)
>
> ...Phantom Blot's brother???? Dressed in white????
> This is the WORST news I read on the latest messages! :-(
Sorry, if I spoiled your day. However, don't you think that
most of the Disney characters at some point have experienced
thier own double? Often a double with a character trait complete
opposite to themselves, like in I TL 385-A (Gyro) and I TL 295-B
(Scrooge). So, why not the Phamtom Blot?
Soeren
Halsten Aastebøl
(No subject)
Message 98 -
1998-08-06 at 15:09:08
Hi folks!
Thanks for responding to my previous message!
When I compiled my list of stories containing references to previous
stories I did that simply by browsing through my at times rather empty
head. Result: I missed some very obvious ones as pointed out by Merlin
Haas, Jonathan Markoff, Donald Markstein and Don Rosa. Thanks for filling
in! From the words of Don Rosa, I deduce that this should be a complete
list of such stories:
1. "The Great Ski Race" (WDC 62) opens with a panel where HDL are bathing
in pile of cash and Donald making a comment about the reward HDL got last
month for catching a bank robber as seen in the previous issue of WDC "Thug
Busters".
2. In Frozen Gold (OS 62) Donald is dreaming of a vacation away from snow
covered Duckburg. Florida is a natural choice, and in the beginning of the
next adventure in the same OS, "Mystery of the swamp", they are there.
Presumably Donald and HDL have finished flying more supplies of penicillin
to Alaska, and Donald is now complaining about the lack of adventure.
3. In "Secret Resolutions" WDC 185, Donald and the nephews decide to make
their new year's resolutions secrets because of the troubles that aroused
one year earlier in "New Year's Revolutions" WDC 173.
4. In "Feud And Far Between" WDC 281, Neighbor Jones is secretly moving in
next door again. While Donald and HDL are trying to find out who the
mysterious new neighbor is, they are talking about Jones and the backyard
war between him and Donald as seen in WDC 34, 38, 48, 63, U$ 6B and "Silent
Night".
5. The series of one pagers showing $crooge getting his moneys worth of
coffee.
6. In the '60s Scrooge story, "The Status Seeker" U$ 41, involving the
Candy-striped Ruby (which Scrooge tries to hide by putting it in a batch of
peppermint candy) the Beagle Boys refer to an earlier Scrooge story, "All
at Sea", U$ 31, in which Scrooge tries to move gold bullion by ship by
having it molded to look like corn.
7. In "10-cent Valentine" (WDC&S 258), the second appearance of Magica
DeSpell, the Ducks specifically recall the events of MDS' first story, "The
Midas Touch" (US 36).
8. The second time that Flintheart Glomgold appeared, in "The Money Champ"
U$ 27, the Ducks say "Hey, isn't that the guy we had that ball-of-string
contest in Africa with?" refering to "The Second Richest Duck" U$ 15.
9. Beagle Boy 176-167's appetite for prunes, mentioned in
"The Mysterious Stone Ray" (US 8, 1954), and unexpectedly seen again in "The
Giant Robot Robbers" (US 58) when one of the nephews remember this.
As for the appearances of Cornelius Coot, I regard these merely as reuse of
a fact rather than references to an incident in a previous story. I believe
nothing in the stories where Cornelius Coot is mentioned indicates that
what we see in the other stories has ever happened. He is always
reintroduced like if he was never used before.
Halsten
Thanks for responding to my previous message!
When I compiled my list of stories containing references to previous
stories I did that simply by browsing through my at times rather empty
head. Result: I missed some very obvious ones as pointed out by Merlin
Haas, Jonathan Markoff, Donald Markstein and Don Rosa. Thanks for filling
in! From the words of Don Rosa, I deduce that this should be a complete
list of such stories:
1. "The Great Ski Race" (WDC 62) opens with a panel where HDL are bathing
in pile of cash and Donald making a comment about the reward HDL got last
month for catching a bank robber as seen in the previous issue of WDC "Thug
Busters".
2. In Frozen Gold (OS 62) Donald is dreaming of a vacation away from snow
covered Duckburg. Florida is a natural choice, and in the beginning of the
next adventure in the same OS, "Mystery of the swamp", they are there.
Presumably Donald and HDL have finished flying more supplies of penicillin
to Alaska, and Donald is now complaining about the lack of adventure.
3. In "Secret Resolutions" WDC 185, Donald and the nephews decide to make
their new year's resolutions secrets because of the troubles that aroused
one year earlier in "New Year's Revolutions" WDC 173.
4. In "Feud And Far Between" WDC 281, Neighbor Jones is secretly moving in
next door again. While Donald and HDL are trying to find out who the
mysterious new neighbor is, they are talking about Jones and the backyard
war between him and Donald as seen in WDC 34, 38, 48, 63, U$ 6B and "Silent
Night".
5. The series of one pagers showing $crooge getting his moneys worth of
coffee.
6. In the '60s Scrooge story, "The Status Seeker" U$ 41, involving the
Candy-striped Ruby (which Scrooge tries to hide by putting it in a batch of
peppermint candy) the Beagle Boys refer to an earlier Scrooge story, "All
at Sea", U$ 31, in which Scrooge tries to move gold bullion by ship by
having it molded to look like corn.
7. In "10-cent Valentine" (WDC&S 258), the second appearance of Magica
DeSpell, the Ducks specifically recall the events of MDS' first story, "The
Midas Touch" (US 36).
8. The second time that Flintheart Glomgold appeared, in "The Money Champ"
U$ 27, the Ducks say "Hey, isn't that the guy we had that ball-of-string
contest in Africa with?" refering to "The Second Richest Duck" U$ 15.
9. Beagle Boy 176-167's appetite for prunes, mentioned in
"The Mysterious Stone Ray" (US 8, 1954), and unexpectedly seen again in "The
Giant Robot Robbers" (US 58) when one of the nephews remember this.
As for the appearances of Cornelius Coot, I regard these merely as reuse of
a fact rather than references to an incident in a previous story. I believe
nothing in the stories where Cornelius Coot is mentioned indicates that
what we see in the other stories has ever happened. He is always
reintroduced like if he was never used before.
Halsten
Fluks, H.W.
Catching up (Catching up)
Message 99 -
1998-08-06 at 15:53:02
Eta Beta:
>>>> I TL 135-A D:Amundsen's talisman
>>>> S 86081 D:Delay of the Land
>>> Well, they actually appear in the headers of both stories, too,
>>> as proper titles would...
>> Can you confirm that these titles were actually on the first page of the
>> USA reprints of those stories?
> Yes. I can send you scans of the headers, if you want.
Thanks, but your confirmation suffices. I'll change the D: to a T: in
the Database.
> on Jack Bradbury [..]
> there's a couple of DD stories you may like to check, with more
> room for a bit of plot
I must admit that I have not read ANY of the stories you mention! (Or at
least I don't remember reading them...)
To me, the art of Jack Bradbury reminds me of the many longer Mickey
stories I don't like. I can't tell why, but there's something in his art
that I don't like either.
--Harry.
Harry Fluks, Leidschendam, The Netherlands
http://home.wxs.nl/~fluks4
http://members.xoom.com/bolderbast
>>>> I TL 135-A D:Amundsen's talisman
>>>> S 86081 D:Delay of the Land
>>> Well, they actually appear in the headers of both stories, too,
>>> as proper titles would...
>> Can you confirm that these titles were actually on the first page of the
>> USA reprints of those stories?
> Yes. I can send you scans of the headers, if you want.
Thanks, but your confirmation suffices. I'll change the D: to a T: in
the Database.
> on Jack Bradbury [..]
> there's a couple of DD stories you may like to check, with more
> room for a bit of plot
I must admit that I have not read ANY of the stories you mention! (Or at
least I don't remember reading them...)
To me, the art of Jack Bradbury reminds me of the many longer Mickey
stories I don't like. I can't tell why, but there's something in his art
that I don't like either.
--Harry.
Harry Fluks, Leidschendam, The Netherlands
http://home.wxs.nl/~fluks4
http://members.xoom.com/bolderbast
Halsten Aastebøl
Shortening
Message 100 -
1998-08-06 at 17:04:13
Anders Chr. Siveb=E6k wrote:
>Shortening
>This conception was used by the old publisher=20
>of the weekly in Denmark, Gutenberghus in the=20
>70'es and 80'es.
>There are two different sorts of shortening,=20
>the first one, from the 70'es is story-shortening.
>Many of Barks stories were published not honoring=20
>the stories. many 10-page-stories by him were=20
>published as 4-page-stories or 6-page-stories=20
>(pages were cut out)=20
Yes indeed! The editors during the 70s had absolutely no respect for the
stories they were printing. It seems like they considered comics as pure
worthless bullshit, so that it didn't matter in what way they presented
them. Cutting 6 pages from a 10 page story is of course butchering the
story. This is what is called "vulgar donaldism", something that
unfortunately is rather common.
>The shortening from the 80'es was of another thing,=20
>namely beaks! As some of you would now, that norwgian=20
>Jon Gisle wrote a book, where he introduced his own=20
>concession "Rostrilongitudequotient" (initials RLQ here)=20
>It is the scale between Donald's head's hight and the=20
>length of the beak. Donald's beak was longer in the old=20
>Barks-stories and that meant according to the author that=20
>he was more curious and hot-tempered than now.
>The editors at Gutenberghus must have read this book,=20
>because they shortened the beaks by retouching the drawings.=20
>There are many exmples of this through the years, I even=20
>remember having seen shortened beeks in a magazine from 1968.=20
>But the place I "discovered" this phenomena was in the extras=20
>in the mid 80'es, they followed the magazines and contained=20
>only Barks-stories.
The shortening of the beaks was a continuous process over many years.
Maximum length of the beak was around 1948. Actually it's Gladstone who has
the record length for beaks in the story you are referring to. Then someone
mentioned for Barks that he drew the beaks too long, and he gradually
shortened them. Shame on that someone! The minimum length of beaks was
reached during the 60s I believe, but not in stories by Barks. I have seen
drawings of Donald with a beak so short he can hardly be called a duck. It
was during this period that the editors even had Barks' classics redrawn
with shorter beaks for reprint, so that the characters should look
consistent in the comics. What an awful thing to do. This is another
example of vulgar donaldism. And then in the 80s some of these altered
stories were reprinted. Hopefully we will never see them again!
Halsten
>Shortening
>This conception was used by the old publisher=20
>of the weekly in Denmark, Gutenberghus in the=20
>70'es and 80'es.
>There are two different sorts of shortening,=20
>the first one, from the 70'es is story-shortening.
>Many of Barks stories were published not honoring=20
>the stories. many 10-page-stories by him were=20
>published as 4-page-stories or 6-page-stories=20
>(pages were cut out)=20
Yes indeed! The editors during the 70s had absolutely no respect for the
stories they were printing. It seems like they considered comics as pure
worthless bullshit, so that it didn't matter in what way they presented
them. Cutting 6 pages from a 10 page story is of course butchering the
story. This is what is called "vulgar donaldism", something that
unfortunately is rather common.
>The shortening from the 80'es was of another thing,=20
>namely beaks! As some of you would now, that norwgian=20
>Jon Gisle wrote a book, where he introduced his own=20
>concession "Rostrilongitudequotient" (initials RLQ here)=20
>It is the scale between Donald's head's hight and the=20
>length of the beak. Donald's beak was longer in the old=20
>Barks-stories and that meant according to the author that=20
>he was more curious and hot-tempered than now.
>The editors at Gutenberghus must have read this book,=20
>because they shortened the beaks by retouching the drawings.=20
>There are many exmples of this through the years, I even=20
>remember having seen shortened beeks in a magazine from 1968.=20
>But the place I "discovered" this phenomena was in the extras=20
>in the mid 80'es, they followed the magazines and contained=20
>only Barks-stories.
The shortening of the beaks was a continuous process over many years.
Maximum length of the beak was around 1948. Actually it's Gladstone who has
the record length for beaks in the story you are referring to. Then someone
mentioned for Barks that he drew the beaks too long, and he gradually
shortened them. Shame on that someone! The minimum length of beaks was
reached during the 60s I believe, but not in stories by Barks. I have seen
drawings of Donald with a beak so short he can hardly be called a duck. It
was during this period that the editors even had Barks' classics redrawn
with shorter beaks for reprint, so that the characters should look
consistent in the comics. What an awful thing to do. This is another
example of vulgar donaldism. And then in the 80s some of these altered
stories were reprinted. Hopefully we will never see them again!
Halsten
Halsten Aastebøl
The Firebug and Notre Duck
Message 101 -
1998-08-06 at 17:16:43
At 21:28 03.08.98 +0800, (Email removed) wrote:
>I'm not sure I see how Donald's being in jail would fit in with the story
>(if it's the same "Firebug" story we're talking about!). In the one I'm
>thinking of, it's the Benzene character who turns out to be copying all
>Donald's strangely shaped fires on a large scale; consequently it is he who
>is the criminal. And then Donald just wakes up - it was all a dream! How
>does the alternative story run?
Yes, this is the same story. At the end of the story Benzene is sentenced
to jail whereas Donald is found innocent. But during the trial Donald sets
fire to the judge's trash can. In the published version this is followed by
Donald waking up from a dream. But those two last panels were put there by
the editors instead of the original two panels by Barks. What really
happens is that the burning trash can accidentally sets fire to the entire
courtroom which burns down to the ground. This accident sends Donald to
jail as well.
>Re the censorship angle, it seems strange to me that something like "Notre
>Duck" should not have been censored! After all, that's akin to saying the
>Virgin Mary was a duck! (Maybe Jesus was a mouse....)
>
>Any comments?
>
>David King.
Good Golly! Probably they never realized. I didn't!
Halsten
>I'm not sure I see how Donald's being in jail would fit in with the story
>(if it's the same "Firebug" story we're talking about!). In the one I'm
>thinking of, it's the Benzene character who turns out to be copying all
>Donald's strangely shaped fires on a large scale; consequently it is he who
>is the criminal. And then Donald just wakes up - it was all a dream! How
>does the alternative story run?
Yes, this is the same story. At the end of the story Benzene is sentenced
to jail whereas Donald is found innocent. But during the trial Donald sets
fire to the judge's trash can. In the published version this is followed by
Donald waking up from a dream. But those two last panels were put there by
the editors instead of the original two panels by Barks. What really
happens is that the burning trash can accidentally sets fire to the entire
courtroom which burns down to the ground. This accident sends Donald to
jail as well.
>Re the censorship angle, it seems strange to me that something like "Notre
>Duck" should not have been censored! After all, that's akin to saying the
>Virgin Mary was a duck! (Maybe Jesus was a mouse....)
>
>Any comments?
>
>David King.
Good Golly! Probably they never realized. I didn't!
Halsten
Donald D. Markstein
Disney comics Digest V98 #186
Message 102 -
1998-08-06 at 18:45:01
ETA BETA --
Sorry to hear you're "cured" of collecting
Claypool's "Elvira" series. I think it's goofy and fun,
personally. In fact, I've even been thinking of sending
editor David Siedman (who used to work for Disney Comics,
by the way, editing their Roger Rabbit book among others)
a couple of springboards.
>> "And they never composed music, either. Day in and day
>> out I meet people telling me "Oh, but it's the
>> *computer* playing, not you..." "
They probably said that about zithers and
diggery-doos, or whatever they used back then, when
musical instruments were first invented. It may take a
generation or two for understanding of the computer's
actual role in the creative process to filter through the
population, but the truth, as you and I and MOST others
on this list know, is that, as Gary said, the computer
just sits there and runs its screen saver until a human
being tells it what colors to put where, or what notes to
sound when.
I know comics letterers who, a decade or so back,
would scream rather defensively that computers would
NEVER replace actual human letterers. And of course, they
were right -- but not in the way they thought. Computers
can't replace the human beings who decide on style,
placement, etc. -- but they can largely, if not
completely, replace the brushes and pens those humans
use; and anybody who failed to adapt to the new
technology was likely to be left behind.
>> "except for the tossing and letting them hit me on the
>> head... too many hardbacks and thick pocket books... "
Then you're not doing it right. Think Scrooge
balks at doing it with those hard coins and thick, heavy
wads of thousand-dollar bills?
By the way, another thing I like to do with my
comics is run barefoot through them and feel the
Four-Color oneshots crinkle between my toes.
Quack, Don
Sorry to hear you're "cured" of collecting
Claypool's "Elvira" series. I think it's goofy and fun,
personally. In fact, I've even been thinking of sending
editor David Siedman (who used to work for Disney Comics,
by the way, editing their Roger Rabbit book among others)
a couple of springboards.
>> "And they never composed music, either. Day in and day
>> out I meet people telling me "Oh, but it's the
>> *computer* playing, not you..." "
They probably said that about zithers and
diggery-doos, or whatever they used back then, when
musical instruments were first invented. It may take a
generation or two for understanding of the computer's
actual role in the creative process to filter through the
population, but the truth, as you and I and MOST others
on this list know, is that, as Gary said, the computer
just sits there and runs its screen saver until a human
being tells it what colors to put where, or what notes to
sound when.
I know comics letterers who, a decade or so back,
would scream rather defensively that computers would
NEVER replace actual human letterers. And of course, they
were right -- but not in the way they thought. Computers
can't replace the human beings who decide on style,
placement, etc. -- but they can largely, if not
completely, replace the brushes and pens those humans
use; and anybody who failed to adapt to the new
technology was likely to be left behind.
>> "except for the tossing and letting them hit me on the
>> head... too many hardbacks and thick pocket books... "
Then you're not doing it right. Think Scrooge
balks at doing it with those hard coins and thick, heavy
wads of thousand-dollar bills?
By the way, another thing I like to do with my
comics is run barefoot through them and feel the
Four-Color oneshots crinkle between my toes.
Quack, Don
Francois Willot
Firebug
Message 103 -
1998-08-06 at 19:37:46
HALSTEN wrote:
>Yes, this is the same story. At the end of the story Benzene is
>sentenced to jail whereas Donald is found innocent.
I wonder wether any information about the name of the artist of the two
last panels is known. Does someone know who did the art?
Francois
>Yes, this is the same story. At the end of the story Benzene is
>sentenced to jail whereas Donald is found innocent.
I wonder wether any information about the name of the artist of the two
last panels is known. Does someone know who did the art?
Francois
Anders Chr. Sivebæk
For the german members, and a proposal
Message 104 -
1998-08-06 at 21:36:05
For some time ago I "mentioned" my trip to
Germany, where I tried to find the following book :
Grote, Johnny A.: Who's Who in Entenhausen.
Über 1.500 Eintragungen. (Ehapa Comic Collection).
Biographien v. Andreas Platthaus. 1997. 210 S.
m. 900 Zeichn. 29,5 cm. Halbleinen. 880gr.
ISBN: 3-7704-2061-6 , KNO-NR: 6 83 34 18
- EHAPA- 59.00 DM - 431.00 öS - 53.50 sfr
Sorry about that being German but it is the
Germans I'm asking...
I tried contacting this book shop ring, and they
could not deliver the book in Denmark.
Could any of you who live downthere help me
with this (getting the book), I will of course
cover all the expences. Please mail me if
you want to make my happy by doing that.
(Email removed)
To the other members and only if the german
readers can't help, well we could do it anyway
if anybody wants to...
WHAT you ask. Well, the book I was just writing
about is to my knowing of AAL the "Persons" who
have appeared in Barks-series. As far as I can guess
there is text about them, where to find the comic
where they appeared, and there are Barks-drawings
of some of them too (I think).
Well the proposal is: Why don't we do the same thing,
Just in English/American (and for that sake any other
language that we speak) I know it's a huge work,
but it IS only a proposal, and it could be fun, anyway!
I hope to get some respons to this
Anders Christian
(Email removed)
Germany, where I tried to find the following book :
Grote, Johnny A.: Who's Who in Entenhausen.
Über 1.500 Eintragungen. (Ehapa Comic Collection).
Biographien v. Andreas Platthaus. 1997. 210 S.
m. 900 Zeichn. 29,5 cm. Halbleinen. 880gr.
ISBN: 3-7704-2061-6 , KNO-NR: 6 83 34 18
- EHAPA- 59.00 DM - 431.00 öS - 53.50 sfr
Sorry about that being German but it is the
Germans I'm asking...
I tried contacting this book shop ring, and they
could not deliver the book in Denmark.
Could any of you who live downthere help me
with this (getting the book), I will of course
cover all the expences. Please mail me if
you want to make my happy by doing that.
(Email removed)
To the other members and only if the german
readers can't help, well we could do it anyway
if anybody wants to...
WHAT you ask. Well, the book I was just writing
about is to my knowing of AAL the "Persons" who
have appeared in Barks-series. As far as I can guess
there is text about them, where to find the comic
where they appeared, and there are Barks-drawings
of some of them too (I think).
Well the proposal is: Why don't we do the same thing,
Just in English/American (and for that sake any other
language that we speak) I know it's a huge work,
but it IS only a proposal, and it could be fun, anyway!
I hope to get some respons to this
Anders Christian
(Email removed)
Anders Chr. Sivebæk
Prunes and questions for Katie and Donald D. Markstein
Message 105 -
1998-08-06 at 22:54:33
Good idea Halsten to find refs
Jonathan Markoff wrote
2. A less direct, but more glaring "flashback," which has been discussed
much on the list, is Beagle Boy 176-167's appetite for prunes, mentioned in
"The Mysterious Stone Ray" (US 8, 1954), and unexpectedly seen again in
"The
Giant Robot Robbers" (US 58) a full 10 years later!
Yes that's a long time Jonathan. But none the less, 176-167
likes prunes today, at least in my comics (Danish) some writers
must have read the stories (of course they all have :-)) and they
used this idea in the stories, in DK the reason the BB gets back
in prison is often his appetite for prune-pie! But maybe that isn't
so Barksian (I remember seing that in Don's story "Cash Flow"
(AR 106) it is mentioned that this Beagle likes prunes
KATIE, Have you noticed my mentioning of the "Mystery of the
Ghost-town Rail-road" story? Could you at least tell me what
the name of those two women are, $crooge seems to have
had a good friend in the "old" one...
BTW you use manny smileys could you explain to me what
this one means ":-P" is it a person sticking the tongue out or what??
DONALD D MARKSTEIN (BTW I think you should be proud
of that D., I would be! But what DOES it stand for)
The Little Booneheads are they really a "barksian" fact?
Thank you for telling, would you know where to find these
mentionings (Some story codes, PLEASE).
I always thought it was just a danish fact, we call them,
what would be translated to Smart-heads (unless Donald
was not a smart Smart-head, I heard he didn't even make
it through the entrance examination (if that's the right word)).
But thinking about it again, I remember something about
them being mentioned in Don's "Mythological Menagerie"
(AR 104) (in the last panel maybe, well if it's true I have to
tell another Don Rosa-fan too!)
Anders Christian
(Email removed)
Jonathan Markoff wrote
2. A less direct, but more glaring "flashback," which has been discussed
much on the list, is Beagle Boy 176-167's appetite for prunes, mentioned in
"The Mysterious Stone Ray" (US 8, 1954), and unexpectedly seen again in
"The
Giant Robot Robbers" (US 58) a full 10 years later!
Yes that's a long time Jonathan. But none the less, 176-167
likes prunes today, at least in my comics (Danish) some writers
must have read the stories (of course they all have :-)) and they
used this idea in the stories, in DK the reason the BB gets back
in prison is often his appetite for prune-pie! But maybe that isn't
so Barksian (I remember seing that in Don's story "Cash Flow"
(AR 106) it is mentioned that this Beagle likes prunes
KATIE, Have you noticed my mentioning of the "Mystery of the
Ghost-town Rail-road" story? Could you at least tell me what
the name of those two women are, $crooge seems to have
had a good friend in the "old" one...
BTW you use manny smileys could you explain to me what
this one means ":-P" is it a person sticking the tongue out or what??
DONALD D MARKSTEIN (BTW I think you should be proud
of that D., I would be! But what DOES it stand for)
The Little Booneheads are they really a "barksian" fact?
Thank you for telling, would you know where to find these
mentionings (Some story codes, PLEASE).
I always thought it was just a danish fact, we call them,
what would be translated to Smart-heads (unless Donald
was not a smart Smart-head, I heard he didn't even make
it through the entrance examination (if that's the right word)).
But thinking about it again, I remember something about
them being mentioned in Don's "Mythological Menagerie"
(AR 104) (in the last panel maybe, well if it's true I have to
tell another Don Rosa-fan too!)
Anders Christian
(Email removed)