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Anders Chr. Sivebæk
The other day a Norwegian mentioned an article on Don Rosa in a Stavanger
Journal, and where to find it. Katie or another american was sad that she
could not read Norwegian. I can. We have some Folk Dancing Friends in
Norway, they live in Randaberg near Stavanger. Today I received 4 norwegian
Disney Comics and that article, which I think is very positive towards
Don's great work.
I will try to translate it if nobody else does...
Vidar Svendsen
Don Rosa:
>>>>>I thought Donald understood who the "nun" was?
>Why would that matter to a mindless censor?

Good point! I guess there's no way the mindless can keep two
panels in his head at the same time. He can't keep the first one in
mind, isn't that it?
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Vidar Svendsen http://home.sol.no/~vidasven

And he said all those numbers
made him numb,
which (he thinks) is why
they're called numbers
Vidar Svendsen
Daniel van Eijmeren:
>Sinterklaas originated from Sint Nicolaas (Saint Nicolaas), who is/was a
>Catholic saint whose birthday is celebrated on the 5th (or 6th) of
>December. Saint Nicolaas lived around the year 300 and one of the
>legends is that his grave is a well of holy oil.

I'm a theologian. I know about St Nicolas ;-)

>So, if there really is a connection between Santa Claus and Saint
>Nicolaas, I think that Santa Claus - even though not being a religious
>icon himself - deserves a place in your (very interesting) list.

Hmmm, I don't know. What does the rest of the list think? Anybody?
I may add a page later about christmas, easter and other celebrations
in Duckburg. Have to think about it - the other pages are priority #1 (and
2, and...)
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Vidar Svendsen http://home.sol.no/~vidasven

And he said all those numbers
made him numb,
which (he thinks) is why
they're called numbers
Kriton Kyrimis
MAXIMILIANE SAALFRANK:

> I am a graduate of American Studies at Munich University and am at present
> engaged in writing my Doctoral thesis on the cultural significance of
genetic
> engineering in the US, 1973-1998. I intend to include some material on
typical
> artifacts of US-pop-culture, i.e. comics, cartoons...
> Understandably I'd like to know whether there are any Disney comics (US
> classics preferred) focussing on genetics or genetic engineering.

Two stories come to mind, but none fits your specifications exactly,
as the first one is from 1962, and the second one is Italian. Anyway,
here goes:

The first one is "Madcap Inventors" from Uncle Scrooge #38, June 1962.
Gyro and another inventor had invented two different methods for forcing a
tree to produce all sorts of different "fruit": bread, cakes, pies, etc.
Gyro would do this by injecting trees with isotopes, while the other
inventor would do this by vibrating the sap veins.

The Italian story (by Cavazzano?), was about Scrooge trying to cross-breed
various plants and always ending up with failures, as the hybrids would
end up inheriting the bad characteristics of both parent plants. The bulk
of the story was about trying to cross-breed grapes with watermellons,
to produce grapes as large as watermellons. The experiment ended with
fruit that were as small as grapes and had as many seeds as watermellons!

DON:

(Re: Scrooge's persona)

> Yeah... and some people hate it when I do that. I can't understand their
> attitude, but this is not my character, and they have as much right to say
> how these stories should be done as I do.

Although Scrooge was invented by Barks and is owned by Disney, I beg to
differ: you have made Scrooge your character, and I consider your version
of Scrooge to be the definitive one. I suspect I am not alone in this.

> The one I've thought about doing next is a sequel to "The Golden
> Fleecing" -- U$ stole the Harpies' Fleece, but why didn't they ever come
> after it?

Big question: when/if you do such a sequel, how are you going to
call them? Harpies or Larkies?

(I don't really expect an answer, as this could well be part of the
story's plot. I wonder, however, whether Disney will allow the use
of either of the two names. My dictionary defines "lark" as "playful,
adventurous action", and given what one of Barks' editors *thought* that
"harpy" meant, we don't want any of *that* in a children's comic book,
do we? Besides, they all look alike, which is the only thing that's
worse than carrying prunes in one's pockets...)

> The Library of Tralla La contained knowledge
> from the Library of Alexandria. But it was, itself, in my story, a
> *separate* book collection, and one that was never under the protection of
> the Guardians of the Great Library. So the Library of Tralla La *does*
> contain knowledge not found in the Junior Woodchucks Guidebook.

Just to get the record straight I wasn't pointing this out as a continuity
error, but as an *example* of continuity: Being a distillation of the
library of Alexandria, the guide book would contain information from many,
but not all, of the lost books from that library, just as was shown in
Return to Xanadu.

One of the things that make me feel sad about the all too believable
premise of a distillation of the library is the kind of information
that was chosen for preservation: "the most valuable facts of ancient
history and science...only those facts contained in no other books".
This emphasis on facts would seem to exclude literature. Such a
distillation would be in large part a curiosity today: Although the
historic facts would be a welcome addition to our knowledge, I would
think that everything the ancient Greeks knew in terms of science has
been rediscovered since the renaissance. On the other hand, literature,
by definition, cannot be rediscovered. Thus, although one might be
amused to learn that the ancients knew of some scientific fact or other
by reading a newly discovered Greek scientific treatise, one would be
ecstatic if one could discover a lost play by Sophocles.

> Is this obscure enough for you?

Not really, although it was an excellent way of presenting what is
probably one of the most important events of this decade.

Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
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"Isn't that sort of thing against Newton's Third Law?"
"Yes, but I have to admit that I do violate a few laws now and then."
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Kriton Kyrimis
HALSTEN:

> One leap year every fourth year except every 100th year. As an exception
> from the exception, every 400th year is a leap year! So that the year
> 2000 will be a leap year like 1600, whereas 1900, 1800 and 1700 were
> not.

I recently learnt from some colleagues who had looked into the issue of
leap years and year 2000 compliance that there is an exception to the
exception to the exception: year 2300 *is* a leap year!!! (I'm quoting
from memory, so check the number if you want to use this fact.)

Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
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"Isn't that sort of thing against Newton's Third Law?"
"Yes, but I have to admit that I do violate a few laws now and then."
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Maximiliane Saalfrank
to: Daniel van Eijmeren
Many thanks for mentioning "Krankenstein Gyro". The story seems fitting
perfectly for my scientific purposes. What kind of life tried Gyro to build?
How does it look like?
In what year and month did it appear? I need details because of bibliographical
reasons.
Greetings, Maxi
Tristan Havelick
Daniel van Eijmeren

About How much money Scrooge has..

First off, you can easily calculate leap years too by changing 365 in you
equation to 365.25, as that is how many days are truely in each and every
year. We just use leap year so we dont have to have a confusing "Quarter
Day".

As for the result of the equation; I imagine scrooge's weath flucuates a
lot.. One day he may have 60,000,000 billion, but the next he may have
500,000,000 trillion. Who knows. Sufice it to say that Scroogey has way way
way to much money.
Arthur De Wolf
Hi!

DON:
Is there a D.U.C.K. dedication on the drawing you did
for the latest Picsou (#319) with a scene from Cash Flow?! I have
been searching for it everywhere but I can't find it and I'm wondering
if there is one at all!

Btw, I absolutely love these drawings on the inside cover of Picsou
SO much ... they're perfect! Picsou Magazine is already a great
magazine, but these drawings make them even better ... :o)

Bye!

Arthur de Wolf
Katie Sullivan
315,360,000 billion dollars? (Give or take a few billion)
Wow! I don't think Bill Gates has a chance. ;-) Go, Scrooge!!!

Regarding the "richest MAN" term...I can't remember any specific examples, but I know
it has been worded that way on more than one occasion. If I run across an example,
I'll let you all know.

Regarding the sinks vs bathtubs... I'm a big fan of TaleSpin, and I can confirm that
the country is indeed Thembria. Aside from the parody of the Soviets, I don't see any
resemblance to Brutopia. (Although both fake nations have cool names! ;-)
To those who care, my humble little nook of the web devoted to TaleSpin is here:
http://home.onestop.net/duchess/talespin.html

Katie Quackfaster
http://fly.to/duckburg
Francesco Spreafico
Hello everybody!

PAOLO wrote:
>Just a question to our translators: in all the previous Italian
>versions of the story, HDL have a rabbit's foot to bring them luck,
>and so it is in the original version too. Then WHY did you changed it
>in "totem portafortuna" (lucky-bringer totem) on this occasion?
>Did someone from WWF said something about ducks with rabbit's feet?

I don't think so!! 8-)
At least not now, but way back in '91.
The version published in "Tesori" is the same of Zio Paperone #16, and at that
time I think they were re-translating everything for philological reasons (to be
more accurate to the original).
So that's really strange, 'cause the only other older edition I have, on
Tascabilone#1, is correct.

And have you noticed that if you take a closer look at the words "..sto piccolo
totem" they seem to have been re-written... Strange stuff, strange stuff... 8-)
Do you, or does anybody, have gATdT #15 to check that out?

Ciao

Francesco
Www.Conk.Com/world/teme
Rosa:

> If Di$ney censors my stories, that's their problem.

Mmm... it's readers problem too :-(
But what one could do? Stop buying comix?! Not reading about ducks is
even worse than reading cencored stories about ducks. so what to do?

Tristan Havelick and all others:

> Someone mentioned that they should make a universal translator like the
> one
> in Star Trek, well, its not NEARLY as good, but altavista does have a very
> archaic translator. It transates between English, Italian, and German.

There's one in Excite also and I think it does french too.

Katie:

Goodnight, don't let the bedbugs bite.

Teme
Schneiderath
Thanks to Jim Mitchell you can find a photo of the meeting of Carl Barks and
Don Rosa on our homepage at:

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/8024/index.html

Bye!

Mike Martin
Markoff
First of all, there's one point that I'm surprised hasn't been cleared up...

ANDERS, in Digest 203:
>Well, at least I always saw this Sembria, as
>a "copy" of the Barksian Brutopia, that being of
>course the former Soviet. BTW I remember Rosa
>showing in Lo$ that Scrooge has met the Brutopian
>Tsar/Zar

Are you referring to the Danish translation of Lo$? In the original, the
czar is the REAL last czar, Nicholas II of RUSSIA, not Brutopia. That scene
of Lo$ takes place in 1910, 7 years before the revolution that destroyed him
and ultimately culminated in the rise of Communism in the form of Vladimir
Ilich Lenin. While Brutopia was obviously a satire of Soviet Russia, it
certainly (ESPECIALLY in Don Rosa's view) does not SUBSTITUTE Russia on
Earth Duckburg (Stella Anatium?). In the Duck Universe, Russia is Russia,
and Brutopia is some less-important (former?) Soviet Republic. Even Barks'
original tale indicates that Brutopia is small, backward and poor, not a
nuke-wielding giant like the (then-current) USSR! (A similar fictional land,
somewhat off-topic, is Bullwinkle's Pottsylvania. It is explained on one
episode that program that Pottsylvania is one of the smallest countries in
the world, but also the meanest.)

DON:

:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

KATIE:
>Duck universe.) But is Flintheart ever referred to as anything but the 2nd
>richest duck? Hearkening back to the famous Barks "statue story", what
>about the
>Maharjah (sp?) of Howduyastan? Wasn't he supposedly the 2nd richest "man"
>in the
>world at that time? So is he the 2nd richest person, while Flintheart is
>only the
>second-richest *duck*? Just a random thought.

Look at the outcome of that Maharajah story! *Was* is the operative word.

But, with regards to this entire discussion, I'm surprised no one has
mentioned the Duke of Baloni...

HARRY:
>Just curious: where is he referred to as the richest *man*?

In Lo$, of course!

DANIEL:
>In Carl Barks' 1950 story "The Magic Hourglass", the exact total amount
>of Scrooge's money can be calculated from Scrooge's comment: "I can't
>go on like this - losing a billion dollars a minute! I'll be *broke* in
>600 years!"

This is obviously a gag as much as "ten fantasticatillion, skyrillion, and
16 cents". There isn't that much money in the world. Furthermore, as Don has
said, this was an early story that contains many "facts" that aren't in sunc
with "our" Scrooge, and should be regarded as "fictional fiction".

HALSTEN:
>Without having the possibility to check the story right now, I would
>suggest "Foxy Relations" WDC 98. I'm sure this story has the first
>reference to Scrooge as the richest something in the world. I don't think
>it was the richest duck. But was it the richest *man*? Or maybe it was the
>richest tycoon?

The line refers to the "richest old coot in the world", opening a whole new
can of worms!

--Jonathan Markoff

"If only rich old Uncle Scrooge would remember us!"
--Carl Barks, "Christmas on Bear Mountain"
Cebarat
MAXI SAALFRANK:

<<...I'd like to know whether there are any Disney comics (US
classics preferred) focussing on genetics or genetic engineering.>>

Among Barks stories, I immediately think of "Krankenstein Gyro," a four
pager in which Gyro fills an egg with an organic concoction in an
effort to make life like Dr. Krankenstein. He ends up creating... a
doorknob!

DON ROSA:
Glad to hear that you were finally able to meet Barks. If I met Barks
tomorrow, I don't know what I'd say to him. I couldn't go on about him
being the favorite author of my youth, cuz I didn't buy a Barks comic/book
until I was 22 years old. Nor could I say something about his stories
that hasn't been said X times by Y other fans.

How about a simple, heartfelt "thank you"?

KATIE SULLIVAN:
<<As was previously said, I think Glomgold is obviously the 2nd richest duck,
since
Barks said so himself in a story title, and many other stories.>>

I agree. Barks would know, wouldn't he? ;-)

HARRY FLUKS:
<<Just curious: where is [Scrooge] referred to as the richest *man*?>>

One place that immediately comes to mind is the story about the statue-
building contest vs. the Maharajah of Howduyustan. "Scrooge McDuck,
World's Richest MAN" is the inscription on the umpteen statues built by
Scrooge. Plus, of course, there's "Only a Poor Old Man."

-- Christopher E. Barat
(Email removed)
http://members.aol.com/cebarat/home.htm
Arthur De Wolf
Hi!

DON M:
>> How many countries are still doing them?

HARRY:
> Let me see... Denmark, France, Germany (occasionally),
> Holland, Italy.

The UK makes original material for it's Winnie the Pooh magazine,
which recently changed from monthly to bi-weekly.

Bye!

Arthur de Wolf
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