To L. Schulte:
> Concerning William Van Horn's stories: I at first was not too appreciative
> of his stories or of the "zany" art style.? But his later stories for
> Gladstone became better, and in fact the last one he did for Gladstone US
> #318 called "Secrets" with Scrooge's half-brother Rumpus was classic.
> I assume he is working like Don Rosa for Egmont: not too many posts here
> mention his stories.? I thought he was in his 60's, so he might be retiring
> or has already retired (?).?
>
>
Bill Van Horn is definitely still working for Egmont and, in fact, has done
several covers for the new Gemstone line of Disney comics.
Best Wishes,
John Lustig
7218 27th Ave. N.E.
Seattle, WA 98115
www.lastkisscomics.com
(206) 525-6257
Fax 206 525-2386
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Topic: 200303
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JALustig
William Van Horn
Message 211 -
2003-03-19 at 01:34:14
Søren Krarup Olesen
Saddam Hussein's "useful idiot" (couldn't be more off-topic,
Message 212 -
2003-03-19 at 01:48:53
SIGVALD:
>>Sigvald, what gives you the right to talk
>>about such a delicate issue on Don Rosa's
>>behalf?!
>
> That was *never* my intention ? no way! I was doing analysis, not speaking
> on other's behalf. Please remember that Don Rosa does not exist alone in the
> Disney system. He thus may or may not, have to consider the opinions of
> other Americans within the system, such as the people at Gemstone, Byron
> Erickson, etc. As you said yourself ? this is a delicate matter, especially
> for Americans.
In fact that was the core point of Gilles' message as I read it. Please,
Sigvald, do differ between analysis and speculation. As for delicate
matters this conflict has a significant impact to the whole world, and
do I dare say, especially to those people who will find their cities
flashing within a few days.
S?ren
"So it goes" [Vonnegut]
>>Sigvald, what gives you the right to talk
>>about such a delicate issue on Don Rosa's
>>behalf?!
>
> That was *never* my intention ? no way! I was doing analysis, not speaking
> on other's behalf. Please remember that Don Rosa does not exist alone in the
> Disney system. He thus may or may not, have to consider the opinions of
> other Americans within the system, such as the people at Gemstone, Byron
> Erickson, etc. As you said yourself ? this is a delicate matter, especially
> for Americans.
In fact that was the core point of Gilles' message as I read it. Please,
Sigvald, do differ between analysis and speculation. As for delicate
matters this conflict has a significant impact to the whole world, and
do I dare say, especially to those people who will find their cities
flashing within a few days.
S?ren
"So it goes" [Vonnegut]
JALustig
Van Horn and Barks
Message 213 -
2003-03-19 at 01:55:25
Sigvald wrote:
> OK, this is it! This is definitive evidence that William Van Horn is *not*
> as true a successor to Barks as Don Rosa. By introducing this so-called
> half-brother of Scrooge in contradiction to Barks, Mr. Van Horn shows that
> he doesn't really accept Barks' universe to the last letter.
>
> Please notice that this is not any critics at all against Mr. Van Horn as a
> great creator - I still think he is one of the absolute best. This is only
> a
> friendly comment to those here who have from time to time stated that they
> see Van Horn as a successor to Barks as much as Don Rosa.
>
> Sigvald :-)
>
>
Okay. You're certainly entitled to your opinion. Personally, I've never
believed that anyone is (or can be) Barks' successor. So it's hard for me to
argue against this. However, if there is a successor to Barks (whether it's
Van Horn, Rosa or someone in the distant future), I'd never disqualify him
(or her) simply because they created a new relative or added a novel element
to the duck family saga. Adding new elements is a delicate matter. I'm sure
we can all cite instances in which new creators have twisted an existing
storyline (It happens all the time with movie sequels!) and put a spin on it
that is entirely inappropriate.
However, from time to time, new things have to be tried. That's what
creativity is all about.
Best Wishes,
John Lustig
7218 27th Ave. N.E.
Seattle, WA 98115
www.lastkisscomics.com
> OK, this is it! This is definitive evidence that William Van Horn is *not*
> as true a successor to Barks as Don Rosa. By introducing this so-called
> half-brother of Scrooge in contradiction to Barks, Mr. Van Horn shows that
> he doesn't really accept Barks' universe to the last letter.
>
> Please notice that this is not any critics at all against Mr. Van Horn as a
> great creator - I still think he is one of the absolute best. This is only
> a
> friendly comment to those here who have from time to time stated that they
> see Van Horn as a successor to Barks as much as Don Rosa.
>
> Sigvald :-)
>
>
Okay. You're certainly entitled to your opinion. Personally, I've never
believed that anyone is (or can be) Barks' successor. So it's hard for me to
argue against this. However, if there is a successor to Barks (whether it's
Van Horn, Rosa or someone in the distant future), I'd never disqualify him
(or her) simply because they created a new relative or added a novel element
to the duck family saga. Adding new elements is a delicate matter. I'm sure
we can all cite instances in which new creators have twisted an existing
storyline (It happens all the time with movie sequels!) and put a spin on it
that is entirely inappropriate.
However, from time to time, new things have to be tried. That's what
creativity is all about.
Best Wishes,
John Lustig
7218 27th Ave. N.E.
Seattle, WA 98115
www.lastkisscomics.com
Gary Leach
DCML Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1301
Message 214 -
2003-03-19 at 02:15:43
L. Shulte:
> I assume he [William Van Horn] is working like Don Rosa for Egmont:
> not too many posts here mention his stories. I thought he was in his
> 60's, so he might be retiring or has already retired (?).
You're right, Bill is working for Egmont, and has been for about as
long as Don Rosa. And while I believe he is in his 60s, he's definitely
not retired.
All:
As for Gemstone Disney's being available outside North America, my
understanding is they will be...at least wherever Diamond Comics
Distributors does business. There might be exceptions, but I'm not
aware of any myself.
Gary
> I assume he [William Van Horn] is working like Don Rosa for Egmont:
> not too many posts here mention his stories. I thought he was in his
> 60's, so he might be retiring or has already retired (?).
You're right, Bill is working for Egmont, and has been for about as
long as Don Rosa. And while I believe he is in his 60s, he's definitely
not retired.
All:
As for Gemstone Disney's being available outside North America, my
understanding is they will be...at least wherever Diamond Comics
Distributors does business. There might be exceptions, but I'm not
aware of any myself.
Gary
Shad Z.
Disney Adventures Movie Mania Special (Spring 2002)
Message 215 -
2003-03-19 at 02:39:35
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Stefan Persson
William Van Horn
Message 216 -
2003-03-19 at 02:43:36
Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr. wrote:
>OK, this is it! This is definitive evidence that William Van Horn is *not*
>as true a successor to Barks as Don Rosa. By introducing this so-called
>half-brother of Scrooge in contradiction to Barks, Mr. Van Horn shows that
>he doesn't really accept Barks' universe to the last letter.
>
Ah, but this *does* show that he accepts Barks' universe! Barks himself
created lots of characters, so Van Horn simply does what Barks used to do.
Stefan
>OK, this is it! This is definitive evidence that William Van Horn is *not*
>as true a successor to Barks as Don Rosa. By introducing this so-called
>half-brother of Scrooge in contradiction to Barks, Mr. Van Horn shows that
>he doesn't really accept Barks' universe to the last letter.
>
Ah, but this *does* show that he accepts Barks' universe! Barks himself
created lots of characters, so Van Horn simply does what Barks used to do.
Stefan
Danehog
Van Horn's Work for Gemstone?
Message 217 -
2003-03-19 at 03:12:35
In a message dated 3/18/2003 6:44:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
JALustig at aol.com writes:
> Bill Van Horn is definitely still working for Egmont and, in fact, has done
> several covers for the new Gemstone line of Disney comics.
Do you know if he'll be writing/drawing stories for Gemstone exclusively in
the future? I remember really enjoying his DuckTales stories from the first
run of Gladstone comics, so it would be great to see some more short
adventure stories, as opposed to the short strictly-humorous ones.
What I liked about his adventure stories was that they had the same "feel" as
the strictly-comedic ones; they just took place in other locations than
Duckburg. Barks and Rosa seem to shift between styles, depending on the style
of story, while Van Horn combined everything into one.
Of course, that didn't always work...
Still, it would be great if Van Horn were to work for Gemstone exclusively!
--
Thanks for reading this nonsense,
Dane Martin
JALustig at aol.com writes:
> Bill Van Horn is definitely still working for Egmont and, in fact, has done
> several covers for the new Gemstone line of Disney comics.
Do you know if he'll be writing/drawing stories for Gemstone exclusively in
the future? I remember really enjoying his DuckTales stories from the first
run of Gladstone comics, so it would be great to see some more short
adventure stories, as opposed to the short strictly-humorous ones.
What I liked about his adventure stories was that they had the same "feel" as
the strictly-comedic ones; they just took place in other locations than
Duckburg. Barks and Rosa seem to shift between styles, depending on the style
of story, while Van Horn combined everything into one.
Of course, that didn't always work...
Still, it would be great if Van Horn were to work for Gemstone exclusively!
--
Thanks for reading this nonsense,
Dane Martin
Danehog
Going Farther than Barks' Original Concepts
Message 218 -
2003-03-19 at 03:17:37
In a message dated 3/18/2003 7:01:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,
JALustig at aol.com writes:
> However, from time to time, new things have to be tried. That's what
> creativity is all about.
Agreed!
While I appreciate and respect Barks' "set continuity," I think that other
artists are well-obligated to introduce their own ideas and concepts. Nothing
is set into stone, and--when it all comes down to it--the stories are all
about pure fun, anyway, are they not?
I'm not saying that new concepts should be introduced every story, or even on
a semi-regular basis, but only every once and a while. They shouldn't take
over the Duck "universe," but I think they have just as much right to be
there as the Barks concepts, which seem to have been "set in stone" over the
years.
I respect the Barks stories, of course, don't get me wrong--I just think that
he didn't mean for everything to be set into a particular pattern, trapping
future Duck artists into "following the leader," so to speak. The artists
should show their own style, rather than imitating Barks'--even though a
brilliant style it was.
Of course, I'm rambling now, and I've probably offended most of you with my
bizarre ideas as to how far the Duck stories should go outside of Barks'
original concept. I apologize in advance, but I'm hoping you won't take my
comments too seriously.
I guess this is the part where I hide under the nearest boulder and cry...
--
Thanks for reading this nonsense,
Dane Martin
JALustig at aol.com writes:
> However, from time to time, new things have to be tried. That's what
> creativity is all about.
Agreed!
While I appreciate and respect Barks' "set continuity," I think that other
artists are well-obligated to introduce their own ideas and concepts. Nothing
is set into stone, and--when it all comes down to it--the stories are all
about pure fun, anyway, are they not?
I'm not saying that new concepts should be introduced every story, or even on
a semi-regular basis, but only every once and a while. They shouldn't take
over the Duck "universe," but I think they have just as much right to be
there as the Barks concepts, which seem to have been "set in stone" over the
years.
I respect the Barks stories, of course, don't get me wrong--I just think that
he didn't mean for everything to be set into a particular pattern, trapping
future Duck artists into "following the leader," so to speak. The artists
should show their own style, rather than imitating Barks'--even though a
brilliant style it was.
Of course, I'm rambling now, and I've probably offended most of you with my
bizarre ideas as to how far the Duck stories should go outside of Barks'
original concept. I apologize in advance, but I'm hoping you won't take my
comments too seriously.
I guess this is the part where I hide under the nearest boulder and cry...
--
Thanks for reading this nonsense,
Dane Martin
Danehog
New Characters (and concepts)
Message 219 -
2003-03-19 at 03:19:31
In a message dated 3/18/2003 7:49:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
spe at inducks.org writes:
> Ah, but this *does* show that he accepts Barks' universe! Barks himself
> created lots of characters, so Van Horn simply does what Barks used to do.
Ha! Very clever, and even if this was intended as a sarcastic joke entirely,
I agree with it. Like I said in a previous post, artists shouldn't be
restricted by Barks' "set" concepts, no matter how excellent and
well-accepted they may be. New characters are interesting, new concepts are
interesting, and if all is fun in the long run, why does it really matter if
everything doesn't fit the original Barks continuity?
It doesn't make any sense to me...
--
Thanks for reading this nonsense,
Dane Martin
spe at inducks.org writes:
> Ah, but this *does* show that he accepts Barks' universe! Barks himself
> created lots of characters, so Van Horn simply does what Barks used to do.
Ha! Very clever, and even if this was intended as a sarcastic joke entirely,
I agree with it. Like I said in a previous post, artists shouldn't be
restricted by Barks' "set" concepts, no matter how excellent and
well-accepted they may be. New characters are interesting, new concepts are
interesting, and if all is fun in the long run, why does it really matter if
everything doesn't fit the original Barks continuity?
It doesn't make any sense to me...
--
Thanks for reading this nonsense,
Dane Martin
Goofy313g
William Van Horn
Message 220 -
2003-03-19 at 03:35:16
Sigvald:
>>>I am indeed very sorry that you feel that way about my
>>>answer, that was *not* my intention at all.
Ok, no problem, sorry for the misunderstanding, Monsieur "Little" Sigvald :-)
Well, let's not speak about that anymore, and stay good friends, I know it's
somehow difficult to communicate feelings through a computer...
>>>OK, this is it! This is definitive evidence that William
>>>Van Horn is *not* as true a successor to Barks as Don
>>>Rosa. By introducing this so-called half-brother of
>>>Scrooge in contradiction to Barks, Mr. Van Horn shows that
>>>he doesn't really accept Barks' universe to the last
>>>letter.
I don't see why it makes him not a successor, if there'd exist a successor.
Where is the contradiction?
If it's because of the fact that Barks told that Scrooge was the last McDuck
alive, then where's the problem? Rumpus is an illegitimate son of Scrooge's dad
(and probably Downy O'Drake and her sister Vera's cousin), and carries the name McFowl,
not McDuck! He isn't and doesn't want to be a McDuck. Then, in his first stories,
he was told to be Scrooge's cousin, not half-brother, and I don't know if Van Horn
had planned this half brother story from the beginning, but Rumpus didn't know about
this until he discovered the letter. If it's only about the needing Van Horn had of
creating new characters to the family Barks used, then we could do the same reproach
to Don Rosa : remember that Casey Coot is his creation!!! It's not a character he just
created for the characters of his tree to fit better together, like Molly Mallard,
Lulubelle Loon, or Gretchen Grebe, Gus Goose could have very well been Grandma's
daughter's son, as he was in Barks' second sketches of his Duck Family Tree.
If there is a successor to Barks, I don't see why Don Rosa would be this successor
and not William Van Horn.
Many people consider that Don Rosa improves too much on Barks' universe... I don't
see a "too much" here, and I love Don Rosa's work, but to you, what is the biggest
changing in Barks' universe : giving scrooge an illeligitimate half brother, or making
Grandma the granddaughter of Cornelius Coot, for instance, or making mentionned, so Van
Horn acknowledged and respected Don Rosa's continuity. But well, you can still consider
all this as "universes", and there are as many universes as possible... the Barks universe,
the Barks/Rosa universe, the Bark/Van Horn universe, why not a Barks/Rosa/Van Horn universe,...
If you only focus on one universe, for instance the Barks/Rosa one, you'll be kind of
frustrated, I think, because once you have read all the stories and Whitewater being the
son of Eider Duck when Barks told Whitewater was a distant cousin, or renaming a bunch of
characters like Seafoam, Pothole, and Whitewater because he considered their names sounded
like nicknames,...?
A funny detail : in his story about Rumpus being in fact Scrooge's halfbrother, the name of
Fergus McDuck is made all the possible researches, you get a little "bored" (not to be
considered as an insult to Barks or Rosa), because Barks is dead (so, no new stories),
and Don Rosa is very slow to create new stories (not an insult either, rather a compliment,
I prefer cooking one excellent cake and take all day long to do it, than cooking ten cakes
which taste like crap and taking one hour...), but if you look at every available sources,
you always discover new stories, or old stories you didn't have, new characters, new
possibilities, and thousands of constradictions but it's so much fun to compare!
Gilles
>>>I am indeed very sorry that you feel that way about my
>>>answer, that was *not* my intention at all.
Ok, no problem, sorry for the misunderstanding, Monsieur "Little" Sigvald :-)
Well, let's not speak about that anymore, and stay good friends, I know it's
somehow difficult to communicate feelings through a computer...
>>>OK, this is it! This is definitive evidence that William
>>>Van Horn is *not* as true a successor to Barks as Don
>>>Rosa. By introducing this so-called half-brother of
>>>Scrooge in contradiction to Barks, Mr. Van Horn shows that
>>>he doesn't really accept Barks' universe to the last
>>>letter.
I don't see why it makes him not a successor, if there'd exist a successor.
Where is the contradiction?
If it's because of the fact that Barks told that Scrooge was the last McDuck
alive, then where's the problem? Rumpus is an illegitimate son of Scrooge's dad
(and probably Downy O'Drake and her sister Vera's cousin), and carries the name McFowl,
not McDuck! He isn't and doesn't want to be a McDuck. Then, in his first stories,
he was told to be Scrooge's cousin, not half-brother, and I don't know if Van Horn
had planned this half brother story from the beginning, but Rumpus didn't know about
this until he discovered the letter. If it's only about the needing Van Horn had of
creating new characters to the family Barks used, then we could do the same reproach
to Don Rosa : remember that Casey Coot is his creation!!! It's not a character he just
created for the characters of his tree to fit better together, like Molly Mallard,
Lulubelle Loon, or Gretchen Grebe, Gus Goose could have very well been Grandma's
daughter's son, as he was in Barks' second sketches of his Duck Family Tree.
If there is a successor to Barks, I don't see why Don Rosa would be this successor
and not William Van Horn.
Many people consider that Don Rosa improves too much on Barks' universe... I don't
see a "too much" here, and I love Don Rosa's work, but to you, what is the biggest
changing in Barks' universe : giving scrooge an illeligitimate half brother, or making
Grandma the granddaughter of Cornelius Coot, for instance, or making mentionned, so Van
Horn acknowledged and respected Don Rosa's continuity. But well, you can still consider
all this as "universes", and there are as many universes as possible... the Barks universe,
the Barks/Rosa universe, the Bark/Van Horn universe, why not a Barks/Rosa/Van Horn universe,...
If you only focus on one universe, for instance the Barks/Rosa one, you'll be kind of
frustrated, I think, because once you have read all the stories and Whitewater being the
son of Eider Duck when Barks told Whitewater was a distant cousin, or renaming a bunch of
characters like Seafoam, Pothole, and Whitewater because he considered their names sounded
like nicknames,...?
A funny detail : in his story about Rumpus being in fact Scrooge's halfbrother, the name of
Fergus McDuck is made all the possible researches, you get a little "bored" (not to be
considered as an insult to Barks or Rosa), because Barks is dead (so, no new stories),
and Don Rosa is very slow to create new stories (not an insult either, rather a compliment,
I prefer cooking one excellent cake and take all day long to do it, than cooking ten cakes
which taste like crap and taking one hour...), but if you look at every available sources,
you always discover new stories, or old stories you didn't have, new characters, new
possibilities, and thousands of constradictions but it's so much fun to compare!
Gilles
Goofy313g
Problem with dcml archives [to Per St ärback]
Message 221 -
2003-03-19 at 03:43:31
Hi,
I use to watch the dcml new messages by looking up the archives,
classed by date, rather than looking them by e-mails. But now, even when
I select "messages sorted by date":
http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-March/date.html#21963
the messages are definitely not sorted by date at all. Is this problem
linked to the new update of Mailman?
Also, I'd want that my name, Gilles Maurice, appears instead of Goofy313g
at aol.com next to my message, but I don't know what I should do...
Bye,
Gilles
I use to watch the dcml new messages by looking up the archives,
classed by date, rather than looking them by e-mails. But now, even when
I select "messages sorted by date":
http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-March/date.html#21963
the messages are definitely not sorted by date at all. Is this problem
linked to the new update of Mailman?
Also, I'd want that my name, Gilles Maurice, appears instead of Goofy313g
at aol.com next to my message, but I don't know what I should do...
Bye,
Gilles
Gary Leach
DCML Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1302
Message 222 -
2003-03-19 at 04:20:48
Sigvald:
> This is only a
> friendly comment to those here who have from time to time stated that
> they
> see Van Horn as a successor to Barks as much as Don Rosa.
Objectively, Carl Barks has more successors than you can shake a stick
at. Everyone who has ever done Disney ducks for comic books follows in
his footsteps - he literally devised the creative milieu in which each
of them has toiled. To pinpoint one creator as his successor is to
drastically diminish the sheer grandeur of the inheritance he left, and
from which so many have taken their portion - and, in some cases,
produced triumphs of their own.
Gary
> This is only a
> friendly comment to those here who have from time to time stated that
> they
> see Van Horn as a successor to Barks as much as Don Rosa.
Objectively, Carl Barks has more successors than you can shake a stick
at. Everyone who has ever done Disney ducks for comic books follows in
his footsteps - he literally devised the creative milieu in which each
of them has toiled. To pinpoint one creator as his successor is to
drastically diminish the sheer grandeur of the inheritance he left, and
from which so many have taken their portion - and, in some cases,
produced triumphs of their own.
Gary
Fabricio De Oliveira Grellet
Nordling
Message 223 -
2003-03-19 at 06:21:37
> > Does anyone remember the story that BYRNE did for MMA in
> > the 90's for DISNEY?
>
> It was not an actual story, just a cover... but what a SPECTACULAR COVER
it was. It fronted an equally spectacular "Mickey vs. The Phantom Blot"
story, written by a gentleman named LEE NORDLING.
Just an info: Lee was from the staff of DC Comics, as far as I know, and now
works for Platinum Studios!
Fabricio
> > the 90's for DISNEY?
>
> It was not an actual story, just a cover... but what a SPECTACULAR COVER
it was. It fronted an equally spectacular "Mickey vs. The Phantom Blot"
story, written by a gentleman named LEE NORDLING.
Just an info: Lee was from the staff of DC Comics, as far as I know, and now
works for Platinum Studios!
Fabricio
Fabio Blanco
SIGVALD
Message 224 -
2003-03-19 at 06:58:34
Sigh... Sigvald... I have an idea for you... you would have a website named Sigvald's apology, there you can say all that about later you sorry...
I hope you are enjoying the remake of the blitzkrieg on Polland by CNN...
sadly, Fabio
bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar
I hope you are enjoying the remake of the blitzkrieg on Polland by CNN...
sadly, Fabio
bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar
Fabio Blanco
Possible Disney "Guest" Artists
Message 225 -
2003-03-19 at 07:02:27
Well, we would have Elseworlds, What if... or "imaginary stories" for the
ducks...
Personally I WANT read an Alan Moore story on the duck universe...
FABIO
bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar
> i really cant imagine the Dave Sim of 2003 to be able to write a light
hearted and intelligent Disney story -- that Disney would allow to be
published.....
>
> Indeed as i think of Sim writing Disney, i get cold chills..... i
would have to buy a copy --- but i just cant imagine it being done....
>
> steven rowe
ducks...
Personally I WANT read an Alan Moore story on the duck universe...
FABIO
bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar
> i really cant imagine the Dave Sim of 2003 to be able to write a light
hearted and intelligent Disney story -- that Disney would allow to be
published.....
>
> Indeed as i think of Sim writing Disney, i get cold chills..... i
would have to buy a copy --- but i just cant imagine it being done....
>
> steven rowe