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Hi everyone!

Gilles:

>>> First, I noticed that, under the title, we could read : "Propri?taire (Owner)= Balthazar D.
Picsou
>>> (Scrooge D. McDuck)"
>>> So Scrooge's Middle name starts with a "D" !!!

Just my very humble opinion: I wouldn't take this as a "fact". The guy who made up the page (I don't
have this issue, by the way) just came up with this initial, feeling it would be better; it's
perfectly arbitrary.
Trying to make a tree using the "facts" given his stories as you do is hard enough without adding
such things.
Authors/artists do not have any more rights or rather authority than editors to tell what the middle
name of a character should be, what his "official" history is; but they're the ones who work with
the characters, come up with stories, make up a whole world for these characters, so that their
"facts" are less "arbitrary". When an author / artist like Keno Don Rosa creates (or develop) such
characters as Fulton & Ratchets Gearloose, or when William Van Horn invents Uncle Rufus, he doesn't
just pick a name & character at random, without thought; the character has specific traits, maybe a
history; and maybe he'll use it again-- like Barks' Scrooge.
In PM's case, however, it seems the guy has just invented this "D" to make it nice. Maybe this will
be taken up in later issues and thus become an "official fact".
As Don Rosa would say, you decide for yourself which universe & "facts" you prefer for the
characters.
Personally, I deem this "D" meaningless-- just as meaningless as if it had appeared in SPG's
Coin-Coin or "Ma Vie" (par Popop).
I guess the thing that bothers me is not such much that you choose to take this "D" into account,
but the way you take it for granted, as if this guy had revealed a secret fact, something that was
set in stone in the Disney archives but nobody had ever revealed ("So his names is...!").

>>>page 106, a little article about the last episode of Lo$, which is republished, they tell
>>>that mayb, at christmas 2004, they are going to republish this story with Don Rosa's new panels
of the story
>>>(the 19 pages version instead of the 16 pages)... They add that they found pages of Don Rosa that
have never
>>>been published in France. I don't know what they're talking about...

Here's the story, straight from the horse's mouth-- ie, from Keno Don Rosa's notes on part 12, as
printed in U$ 296 (Feb '96) (this part was edited out whent he notes were reprinted in the album)...
[I've added within brackets comments taken from the version of this text published on Dan's site]

Now, about those "added pages": about 18 months ago this story appeared around the rest of the
world in a 16-page form. I always thought that very version was very abrupt in several spots [-- and
I had already begged a 16th page onto my usual 15 page limit for that original version.] [s]o for
this Gladstone printing I did *three* extra pages [, not all at once or even as pages, but ] in the
form of tiers of new panels spread throughout the story [(which got rather complicated)]. For
those who are interested, here are the panels in this final chapter that are appearing here for the
first time anywhere:
Page 4, panels 8-10 [a walk through Scrooge's trophy collection];
Page 5, panel 5 (redrawn) [Scrooge meets his nephews] [the following original panels are widened to
fill out the next few tiers];
P?ge 6, panels 8-10 [back in Scrooge's trophy room];
Page 11, panels 9 and 10 [carrying Scrooge's memorabilia trunk and hopping aboard for a slide];
Page 12, panels 5-9 [the ducks give chase and the Beagles see them coming];
Page 14, panels 3-6 [more hijinx during the chase];
Page 15, panels 1 and 2 [ditto];
Page 16, panels 5-7 [psycho-drama back at the Bin];
Page 17, panels 8-10 [the best addition-- Scrooge gets revenge for his first encounter with Donald].
In these panels I made a new addition of a Barksian reference that was missing from the series
since it took place during a year that the series didn't touch on... I refer to the painting
(photo?) in Scrooge's trophy hall depicting a scene from "Black Wednesday" (WDC&S 230). I also added
another trophy to Scrooge's collection which would have been sorta impossible for 1947, or even
mid-1994 when this story first appeared in Europe [-- the 1995 Eisner Award that all concerned with
this series won in America for "Best Serialized (long) Story" of the year. I'm someone torn about
the addition of this-- there's no denying that it's a cute gag, but it steps out of the realistic
framework that I so carefully create around my stories. But maybe my attitude is sorta like that
scene in Who Frame Roger Rabbit where Roger was unable to slip his "toon" hand out of some
handcuffs until such time as it was funny to do so. same with me, I guess; I take my Duck comics far
too seriously and I will never, never, never compromise the realistic aspects of my Scrooge
stories, ever, not no time, not no how.. until it's funny to do so. But the Eisner Award is hanging
on a wall, right? And those background pictures hanging on teh wall in Donald's home in the old
Barks stories have frequently impossible things happening in them, right? So, the precedent was
already set! Yeah!]

Larry:
>>>A small one-panel comic by Frank Deale in last Saturday's newspaper
>>>has a miniature flying saucer loaded in a dishwasher. The little
>>>space-alien captain says to his assistant "I thought I'd get the ship
>>>washed before we head home."
>>>I think this comic artist must have read Barks'
>>>"Microducks from Outer Space" Scrooge story. Did he originate the
>>>concept that a flying saucer space ship could be the size of a dinner
>>>plate or actual saucer?

I guess it all stems from the way such ships are called: "flying saucers", because of their shape;
from there, anyone can come up with dish gags; I recall a similar one in an old issue of Mickey
Parade (flying saucers flying in & out of a dish washing machine, with a sign that reads "saucer
wash" or some such thing).
Time for another quote...

(from Geoffrey Blum's "The Santa Claus Syndrome", first published as part of "The Joyous Season" in
Set I of The Carl Barks Library, 1984: reprinted in The Carl Barks Library of Donald Duck
Adventures in Color, album 11)

James Montgomery Flagg's fantasy of battling steam shovels was first published in Liberty in 1926.
when shown the drawing, Barks expressed surprise.
"I had no idea Flagg ever stooped to such slapstick. No, I had never seen his cartoon, nor had I
ever read Liberty magazine except in dentists' waiting rooms. The idea of steam shovels fighting is
another of those "naturals" that anybody should be able to think up."

Best wishes,

Olivier

Hello,

>> "BTW, I think Ziche is (toghether with Barbucci) the most
>> interesting
>> young artist here in Italy!"

> Don't forget to add Enrico Faccini to the list! :-)

You're 100% right! Faccini is yet another interesting one! And, IMHO,
it is not a coincidence that the best stories come out from
"complete" creators: people who both write and drawn their own
stories.

Here follow a short list of the stories appeared since 1998 on the
Italian main publication Topolino of stories both written and drawn
by the same author (hope the message won't be too scrambled by the
following list):

Number
of
stories Creator Pages
===========================================
40 Enrico Faccini 195
21 Giuseppe Zironi 169
15 Pier Paolo Rovero 53
14 Silvia Ziche 185
7 Corrado Mastantuono 183
6 Alessandro Perina 6
4 Marco Meloni 4
3 Alessio Coppola 3
3 Maurizio Amendola 46
2 Giorgio Bordini 57
2 Luciano Bottaro 52
1 Davide Cesarello 26
1 Pier Dario Pennati 14
1 Sergio Cabella 9
1 Tiberio Colantuoni 5
1 Romano Scarpa 37
1 Marco Gervasio 30
1 Francesco Guerrini 25

BTW, for all the Ziche fans: it has just been issued a "one shot"
issue reprinting all the parts of "Papernovela" and "Topokolossal"
two funny stories (well, at least Papernovela is a very good one,
while I don't like very much Topokolossal) by Silvia!

- Paolo

http://digilander.libero.it/inducks mailto:p.castagno at libero.it

From: "Paolo Castagno" <p.castagno at libero.it>

> You're 100% right! Faccini is yet another interesting one! And, IMHO,
> it is not a coincidence that the best stories come out from
> "complete" creators: people who both write and drawn their own
> stories.

[omissis]

> 1 Francesco Guerrini 25
>
Do you know what sort of story is this? It was "Zio Paperone e il tesoro del
fantasma o viceversa" ("Uncle Scrooge and the ghost's treasure or vice
versa"), based on Bark's universe: Scrooge, Donald and H, D & L return to
Rannoch Moor to search a treasure in a fortress near Dismal Downs. The story
is full of references to the Bark's stories and presents two new Scrooge's
ancestors: Sir Paperush Mc Duckmoor and Sir Quackery Mc Duckery.

BTW there are also others young artists that deserve to be mentioned: I like
very much Claudio Sciarrone, Lorenzo Pastrovicchio, Paolo Mottura, Roberto
Vian, Alberto Lavoradori, Stefano Intini and Fabio Celoni, in addition to
Ziche, Barbucci, Celoni, Guerrini.

Excuse me for my bad English
Bye
Tommy --- gorthan at hotmail.com ---

?Tell me, mister governor... How does it feel to leave history??
PKNA #14 "Carpe Diem"

Excuse me: in the object of the other mail I've send I wrote "others young artists"... I wanted to write "other young artist", it was a typing error.

Excuse for my bad english
Bye
Tommy --- gorthan at hotmail.com ---

?Tell me, mister governor... How does it feel to leave history??
PKNA #14 "Carpe Diem"

TOMMY:
>>>You're wrong, Gilles... I'm sure that the episode that Stefan read was not
>>>PKNA #0: in PKNA #0 (I-PKNA 0-1 coded) Daisy and Gladstone don't appear at
>>>all. That is the first episode of the third serie (I-PK3-1 "Un supereroe per
>>>caso" "Superhero by chance"), text by Gianfranco Cordara and drawings by
>>>Lorenzo Pastrovicchio, where the names of Daisy and Gladstone appear in a
>>>letter.

Yes, you're right, it's the first one. Daisy's and Gladstone's names appear in a letter drawn by Daisy, but the characters Daisy, Gladstone, and HDL also appear in cameo appearance on the same page, on three different panels, when Donald imagines what it'll be like to become a superhero, when he is talking with Uno. Everett Ducklair also appear in cameo on a panel. In the beginning of the story, Donald wants to watch a football match, but the tv breaks and he has to go to the supermarket to repair it... Moreover, the French title is "Superheros par hasard" , an so it sounds much like the original title.
Sorry about my ignorance, but I really don't have much knwoledge in the PK series...
Gilles

ps, tommy, about Sir Paperush Mc Duckmoor and Sir Quackery Mc Duckery, which centuray are they from (just to know if I will include them in my Duck family tree or not)

I feel like a jerk after reading my 1st mail again. i apologize for all
inconvenience. the dane i refer to is Thomas Pryds Lauritsen and he has some
merits that the local disney community knows about Don Rosa even more.
thanks a bunch, thomas.

Rob, i tried to reply ur email but it got rejected. any other email i can
contact to???

> First, I noticed that, under the title, we
> could read : "Propri?taire (Owner)= Balthazar
> D. Picsou (Scrooge D. McDuck)". So Scrooge's
> Middle name starts with a "D" !!!

Nope, AFAIK Barks did never give Scrooge any
middle name. And if he did, why would it
be "Donald"?

> The guy who made up the page (I don't have
> this issue, by the way) just came up with
> this initial, feeling it would be better;

So confusing people are better than to be correct
and honest??? Some people obviously acts more
like adventure-tellers than scientists when it
comes to Donaldism.

Sigvald :-)

Hi!
About Scrooge's middle name, I've never told it was something Barks (who,
afaik, isn't the one and only Duck artist) decided, I've never told I
considered it as a fact, I just thought it was something which could be
discussed here. BTW, another question could be discussed here : facts...
Sigvald, why something Don Rosa wrote in sketches would be more factual than
something written in an OFFICIAL Disney copyrighted magazine??? You don't
need to answer, as each one is free to consider his Duck universe as he
wants, but I think that this fact, and, for instance, the fact that Ludwig
and Matilda are probably married in the duck family tree published in "the
little big book of Disney", are to consider as at least "half facts", which
mean that if no authors have ever told something which goes against this, so
it COULD be considered as true, or at least mentionned... IF Barks would have
revealed Scrooge's middle name, I wouldn't have took this in consideration
(but maybe I would have mentionned here), and anyway, the author of the
article would have been serious enough to take the middle name Barks gave.
About "D", yes, there are several "D" names :-)
Donald would indeed have been an interresting one, because in several
stories, ancestors and unce are named Donald and our Donald could be named
after them... The name Donald is even more present in French translations
(although it's getting stupid sometimes) : Grandma Duck=Grandm?re Donald,
Duckburg=Donaldville,...
Another interresting "D" name would have been "Dagobert", of course :-)

Gilles