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ps - here is a scan of the first page.
http://www.goulburn.net.au/~alecto/gdstory.jpg

Stefan Persson wrote:

> I fear that no one apart from you is able to
> browse web pages on your hard disk...

Thanks for notifying me!

The correct adress is off course:
http://duckman.pettho.com/characters/humperd.html

Sigvald :-)

Hi everyone!

Frank:
>>>> but.......................... has he (and I certainly don't want to forget
>>>> his writers) ever been given credit for teaming Mickey with Goofy?? [...]
>>>I only discovered very recently that the twosome NEVER had been a duo in the
>>>> classic Disney shorts of the 30s, 40s and 50s. Here it was always either the
>>>> whole gang, the trio of Mickey, Donald and Goofy, or maybe a cameo, but no
>>>> hint whatsoever of a proper duo.

>>>> When do you reckon did the duo of Mickey and Goofy start "officially"? When
>>>> did it become the rule, rather than the exception?

An intriguing question. Let's see...

"Mickey Mouse in Death Valley" (April 1 - Sept 20, '30): first appearance of "Sylvester Shyster,
the lawyer" (April 1) and Pegleg Pete (April 12: silhouette; April 21; April 24: Mickey says his
name); an advetisement "annoucning 'Mickey Mouse' in comic strip form by Walt Disney, his creator",
introduced Mickey, Minnie, and "terrible Tom the vile villain"-- never appeared, and when he did it
was under the name of Pegleg Pete

Gottfredson picked up the strip on May 17

Nov '30 - June '31: Mickey makes friends with Butch, a reformed thief ("Mr Slicker and the Egg
Robbers")

"Mickey Mouse and the Gypsies" (July - Nov, '31): with Minnie, Clarabelle and Horace
"The Great Orphonage Robbery" is perpeptrated by Shyster & Pete (Jan 11 - May 14, 1931); same cast

"Mickey Mouse Sails for Treasure Island" with Minnie (May 16 - Nov 11, 1932; Horace stays with
Clarabelle

"Blaggard Castle" (Nov 12, '32 - Feb 10, '33): Horace accompanies Mickey; the girls go after them

Ted Osborne joins the MM team (Gottfredson, Taliaferro, Ted Thwaites; Earl Duvall once in a while).

October 9, 1933, marks the first appearance of Dippy Dawg (later rebaptized "Goofy"), who has
inherited a detective agency; the new partners (well, Mickey) break(s) the case of "The Crazy Crime
Wave" (Oct '33 - Jan '34).

On Sept 10, '34, we are introduced to a new villain, one Eli Squinch, who claims that "Bobo the
Elephant" belongs to him (July - Oct, '34); Goofy only makes a brief appearance (his first since
"The Crazy Crime Wave")

Enter Merrill de Maris

Mickey and Goofy are soon teamed up again, and they fly away (to Umbrellastan, with Minnie) to
retrieve "The Sacred Jewel" (Oct - Dec, '34)

"The Case of the Vanishing Coats" (Sunday): Mickey & Donald (Feb - March, '35)

"Editor-In Grief" (March - June, 35): Mickey, Goofy, Horace, Donald, Minnie

"Race for Riches (June - Sept, '35): Mickey & Horace

Sept '35 - Jan '36: "The Pirate Submarine"; Mickey teams up again with Gloomy, whom he met in "The
Air Pilot"; Captain Doberman (from the same continuity) is there too; he appears in a couple of
continuities ("Mickey Mouse Joins the Foreign Legion" and "Island in the Sky", for instance)

"Oscar the Ostrich" (Jan - March, '36): Donald is one of the competitors in the race at the end; as
of Jan 22, Dippy is Goofy-- it is the "new" Goofy; he is featured in a few strips only
At the same time (Jan-March), Mickey Donald and Goofy are busy at Minnie's home ("Helpless Helpers")

"The Seven Ghosts" don't stand a chance against mighty ghostbusters Mickey, Goofy and Donald! (Aug -
Nov, '36)

Mickey and Goofy fly to the "Island in the Sky" together (Nov '36 - April '37), then sail for Africa
with Minnie "In Search of Jungle Treasure" (April - Aug, '37)-- yet another cannibal feast

The ubiquitous Mouse also spends May-Oct (Sundays) in the West with Goofy, replacing for some time
"The Sheriff of Nugget Gulch"

"The Mighty Whale Hunter" (Feb - July, '38): Mickey & Goofy

Enter Bill Wright (inker)

"Mickey Mouse Meets Robinson Crusoe" (Dec '38 - April '39) and gets new eyes (round, with pupils) on
Dec 22

Okay, I'll stop here for now.
First adventures: Horace plays Mickey's sidekick
Goofy starts appearing in a few adventures; during a transition period, Horace joins Mickey in "Race
for Riches" and Goofy (Dippy) in "The Sacred Jewel". Horace is always rather straight, serious,
brave; Goofy obviously works better as a foil, providing plenty of humor.

"Island in the Sky" seems to mark the definite switch from Horace to Goofyn with "The Seven Ghosts"
the last Mickey/Goofy/Donald story I don't have time for a more detailed analysis, though, sorry.

>>>Did the teaming happen accidentally, i.e. Gottfredson wasn't allowed to use Donald anymore (as in
>>> Editor-In-Grief and others), because DD got his own strip?

I'm not sure.

>>>When did the detective element come in? Can we attribute it to Gottfredson or was it
>>> other artists/writers (Murry? Guido Martina?) who made it popular?

You mean, Mickey seemingly working exclusively as a detective?
"Mickey Outwits the Phantom Blot" in 1939 (May 20 - Sept 9; Chief O' Hara's first appearance, if
I'm not mistaken); ten years later, he sets up a Detective Agency with Eega Beeva in 1949 ("The
Syndicate of Crime"; Oct 24, '60 - Jan 28, '50); they close the agency at the end, though, after
their dreadful first experience.
Mickey doesn't have any fixed occupation, whether as a detective or anything else-- and he lives on
rewards; they're only a bonus, though. This worries Minnie, who'd rather see him settle down and
have a safe job-- and he enlists as a mail pilot. The strips (including gag-a-day strips-- two-week
continuities) depict him trying his hand at various jobs. The constant change is due to his
adventurousness and the fact he can't stay in one place-- whereas Donald bumbles & goofs from job to
another.

>>> Too many questions really (or maybe too stupid questions) to even expect one
>>> reply, I guess...

Here's one! I don't know if there are enough answers, let alone satisfactory ones, though; I can
only hope it is at least a bit useful.

Best wishes,

Olivier

In W.H.A.D.A.L.O.T.T.A.J.A.R.G.O.N. That gray hear gay on the right page 8,
panel 2. How do you think, thit he was Fulton Gearloose?

Your
Maciek

mmmm... I not only prefer the idea of all human ducks adventure. I was
selecting months ago some barks comics fittables to make into a movie with
very very very very few money (lol)
Look like my ideas are good :-)

FABIO

> You now some Charecter like the Beagle Boys woud be pley by real Actors &
> Donld, Scrooge, Huey Duey & Luey, Gyro and aderss woud be pley by 3D
> charecters. But actualy I see the movi Scrit more based with Don Rosa
storys
> than Barks.
>
> Yours
> Maciek

Hello to you all!

Frank wrote:

> do you really want to tell us there haven't been any
> MM newspaper strips in Germany in the 30s? If that's true it is quite
> surprising...
>

Then be surprised. Beside of the Swiss "Micky Maus Zeitung" there were
no MM newspaper strips in German in the 30s. You may think, that in the
country where once Wilhelm Busch drew "Max und Moritz" (the spirital
ancestors of "The Katzenjammer Kids" and other early U.S. newspaper
strips) there should have been a tradtion in original German strips. But
under the rule of Hitler and Goebbels Nazi Germany had very few comic
strips by German artists. The most famous of those few was E.O. Plauen's
"Vater und Sohn" ("Father and Son").

In their "Comic-Handbuch" (published in West-Germany in 1978, now out
of print) Wolfgang J. Fuchs and Reinhold Reitberger give a hint, that
there was a limited publication of Disney comics in the so called Third
Reich. They write (p. 24/25), that in some Austrian comic books
(giveaways), which were especially published by some stores and shops
for the children of their customers, sometimes one could find Disney
comic strips. Unfortunately Fuchs/Reitberger don't tell details about
the kind of Disney strips that were printed in titles like "Kiebitz",
"Schmetterling", "Papagei" and "Teddy B?r". These Austrian giveaways
were also wide-spread in Germany until the publishing came to an end in
1941 because of shortness of printing paper during the war. Maybe
someone else of the DCML can tell us more about these things.

Greetings
Erik

Gilles:

>>> Were the black ducks tribe from Barks' "The Good Deeds" given a name, in the original story, or
at least in a
>>translation, or a later article?

Nope.

Harry:
>>>I added some photographs of Don's visit to Naples to my website

Thanks again for the site & pictures-- in this instande, thanks to Mrs Rosa (and Dan's camera).

Olivier