Fabio Blanco <longtom at oeste.com.ar> wrote:
> Man, I live in third world, in a country
> ruined by your country politics.
As your mail address ends with <.ar> it seems that you are for Argentina.
That's not what we Scandinavians will call a part of the "third world". The
third world is (as I have learned it) poor, little developed countries in
Africa, Asia and even perhaps in Oceania. Unlike you (and me) most people in
the real "third world" have *no* access to PCs, Disney comics, etc. Many
people are also starving or suffering for war, etc and are often
analphabetic. AFAIK no-one in DCML fits that definition (and let us be happy
for that).
As far as I have learned from Norwegian media the reason Argentina
experiences an economic crisis now is the damage done to the world economy
by September 11th (so it seems to be caused by Bin Laden, not by USA). When
it comes to Latin America, Bush senior once also stated that the only
dictatorship left there is the one in Cuba.
But perhaps we should stop this pointless debate on US policy now?
Sigvald :-)
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Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
DROP IT!!!
Message 271 -
2003-03-20 at 23:55:19
Doukakis, Mark (NBC)
DROP IT
Message 272 -
2003-03-21 at 00:50:24
I sent my response as a personal message to you [Fabio] and not to the list
because it is so much off topic. If I wanted everyone to read it, I would
have sent it to the list. But you posted it anyway. So be it. Contrary to
your belief, the U.S. (this great Demon!) is not responsible for all the
world's ills. Not even close.
By the way, how old are you? Perhaps that explains it.
Mark Doukakis
Because e-mail can be altered electronically,
the integrity of this communication cannot be guaranteed.
because it is so much off topic. If I wanted everyone to read it, I would
have sent it to the list. But you posted it anyway. So be it. Contrary to
your belief, the U.S. (this great Demon!) is not responsible for all the
world's ills. Not even close.
By the way, how old are you? Perhaps that explains it.
Mark Doukakis
Because e-mail can be altered electronically,
the integrity of this communication cannot be guaranteed.
Cord Wiljes
International Politics
Message 273 -
2003-03-21 at 01:34:44
Dear all:
It is very difficult to talk about the war in Iraq rationally. There
seem to be mainly three groups: "Pro war", "anti war" and "no comment".
Communication between these three groups is nearly impossible because
everybody is so emotional about it. I think this war is a topic of grave
importance which everybody who wants to should talk about, even if it is
off topic here on DCML.
Please let me suggest one thing: Try to put yourself into the shoes of
the other side: How would you feel if you were a citizen of Baghdad? An
U.S. soldier in the desert of Kuwait? The man with the most power and
thus heaviest responsibility in the world? If a family member of yours
had been a victim of 9-11? Or had starved because a multinational
company maximized its profits by exploiting your country's resources?
People with other opinions are neither evil nor stupid, they just come
to different conclusions. Nobody knows the future so nobody can claim to
know with absolute certainty what the right path of action is. So even
if one has a firm opinion on the current war in Iraq (and I certainly
do) we should aspire keeping an open mind for discussions with those who
don't share the same view.
There have been books investigating the role of Disney comics in world
politics, namely:
+ Ariel Dorfman and Armand Mattelart. How to Read Donald Duck:
Imperialist Ideology in the Disney Comic.
+ David Kuzle: Dagobert und Donald Duck. Welteroberung aus der
Entenperspektive.
Both books show the Ducks in a different light than we Duck fans see
them. Are they right? Are we right? The truth probably lies somewhere in
the middle. Or to quote Aristoteles: "The good is always a middle
between too much and too less."
Cord
It is very difficult to talk about the war in Iraq rationally. There
seem to be mainly three groups: "Pro war", "anti war" and "no comment".
Communication between these three groups is nearly impossible because
everybody is so emotional about it. I think this war is a topic of grave
importance which everybody who wants to should talk about, even if it is
off topic here on DCML.
Please let me suggest one thing: Try to put yourself into the shoes of
the other side: How would you feel if you were a citizen of Baghdad? An
U.S. soldier in the desert of Kuwait? The man with the most power and
thus heaviest responsibility in the world? If a family member of yours
had been a victim of 9-11? Or had starved because a multinational
company maximized its profits by exploiting your country's resources?
People with other opinions are neither evil nor stupid, they just come
to different conclusions. Nobody knows the future so nobody can claim to
know with absolute certainty what the right path of action is. So even
if one has a firm opinion on the current war in Iraq (and I certainly
do) we should aspire keeping an open mind for discussions with those who
don't share the same view.
There have been books investigating the role of Disney comics in world
politics, namely:
+ Ariel Dorfman and Armand Mattelart. How to Read Donald Duck:
Imperialist Ideology in the Disney Comic.
+ David Kuzle: Dagobert und Donald Duck. Welteroberung aus der
Entenperspektive.
Both books show the Ducks in a different light than we Duck fans see
them. Are they right? Are we right? The truth probably lies somewhere in
the middle. Or to quote Aristoteles: "The good is always a middle
between too much and too less."
Cord
Doukakis, Mark (NBC)
International Politics
Message 274 -
2003-03-21 at 01:56:01
>Communication between these three groups is nearly impossible...
Point well-taken, Cord. Noone is going to change anyone's mind, as much as
everyone tries.
Mark
Because e-mail can be altered electronically,
the integrity of this communication cannot be guaranteed.
Point well-taken, Cord. Noone is going to change anyone's mind, as much as
everyone tries.
Mark
Because e-mail can be altered electronically,
the integrity of this communication cannot be guaranteed.
Dan Rosenberg
International Politics
Message 275 -
2003-03-21 at 02:16:59
Cord wrote:
Re: Dear all:
Re:
Re: It is very difficult to talk about the war in Iraq rationally. There
Re: seem to be mainly three groups: "Pro war", "anti war" and "no comment".
Re: Communication between these three groups is nearly impossible because
Re: everybody is so emotional about it. I think this war is a topic of grave
Re: importance which everybody who wants to should talk about, even if it is
Re: off topic here on DCML.
Re:
Re: Please let me suggest one thing: Try to put yourself into the shoes of
Re: the other side: How would you feel if you were a citizen of Baghdad? An
Re: U.S. soldier in the desert of Kuwait? The man with the most power and
Re: thus heaviest responsibility in the world? If a family member of yours
Re: had been a victim of 9-11? Or had starved because a multinational
Re: company maximized its profits by exploiting your country's resources?
Re:
Re: People with other opinions are neither evil nor stupid, they just come
Re: to different conclusions. Nobody knows the future so nobody can claim to
Re: know with absolute certainty what the right path of action is. So even
Re: if one has a firm opinion on the current war in Iraq (and I certainly
Re: do) we should aspire keeping an open mind for discussions with those who
Re: don't share the same view.
Hear hear! The internet exists for people to exchange ideas. If we begin telling eachother this or that is not an "appropriate" forum, we've given up our power to communicate freely with one another. Please, I have nothing against this topic being discussed here, in fact I would encourage it. There far more important things happening right now than ducks and mice. And I would also like to ask people like Mr. Doukakis to please refrain from hurling despicable insults towards people who don't agree with him. It's fine if your opinions differ from some of those on this list, but let's keep this mature and civilised. Just because our leaders are being irrational doesn't mean we have to. In fact, just the opposite, we need to be wiser and more tolerant than they have been.
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Re: Dear all:
Re:
Re: It is very difficult to talk about the war in Iraq rationally. There
Re: seem to be mainly three groups: "Pro war", "anti war" and "no comment".
Re: Communication between these three groups is nearly impossible because
Re: everybody is so emotional about it. I think this war is a topic of grave
Re: importance which everybody who wants to should talk about, even if it is
Re: off topic here on DCML.
Re:
Re: Please let me suggest one thing: Try to put yourself into the shoes of
Re: the other side: How would you feel if you were a citizen of Baghdad? An
Re: U.S. soldier in the desert of Kuwait? The man with the most power and
Re: thus heaviest responsibility in the world? If a family member of yours
Re: had been a victim of 9-11? Or had starved because a multinational
Re: company maximized its profits by exploiting your country's resources?
Re:
Re: People with other opinions are neither evil nor stupid, they just come
Re: to different conclusions. Nobody knows the future so nobody can claim to
Re: know with absolute certainty what the right path of action is. So even
Re: if one has a firm opinion on the current war in Iraq (and I certainly
Re: do) we should aspire keeping an open mind for discussions with those who
Re: don't share the same view.
Hear hear! The internet exists for people to exchange ideas. If we begin telling eachother this or that is not an "appropriate" forum, we've given up our power to communicate freely with one another. Please, I have nothing against this topic being discussed here, in fact I would encourage it. There far more important things happening right now than ducks and mice. And I would also like to ask people like Mr. Doukakis to please refrain from hurling despicable insults towards people who don't agree with him. It's fine if your opinions differ from some of those on this list, but let's keep this mature and civilised. Just because our leaders are being irrational doesn't mean we have to. In fact, just the opposite, we need to be wiser and more tolerant than they have been.
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Fabio Blanco
International Politics
Message 276 -
2003-03-21 at 02:38:41
Ditto, Mark. And please don't send more personals messages to me. I don't
any personal with you. Thanks anyway for tell me in your message how be a
good anti-american... :-P
FABIO
> >Communication between these three groups is nearly impossible...
>
> Point well-taken, Cord. Noone is going to change anyone's mind, as much as
> everyone tries.
>
> Mark
any personal with you. Thanks anyway for tell me in your message how be a
good anti-american... :-P
FABIO
> >Communication between these three groups is nearly impossible...
>
> Point well-taken, Cord. Noone is going to change anyone's mind, as much as
> everyone tries.
>
> Mark
Cord Wiljes
AW: International Politics
Message 277 -
2003-03-21 at 02:40:04
Dan:
Free speech does not mean that I can talk anywhere at any time about any
topic I want. There also is the matter of politeness and consideration.
Nevertheless I agreee with you that the current international problems
are important enough to be discussed on DCML even though they are
off-topic. With the very international members and mostly friendly
atmosphere on this list there is a chance for an exchange opinions
without the usual bias.
And did you possibly mix up names? Mark Doukakis sent a perfectly polite
answer which just commented on our general problems to communicate -
without any reference to a apecific political opinion.
Cord
Free speech does not mean that I can talk anywhere at any time about any
topic I want. There also is the matter of politeness and consideration.
Nevertheless I agreee with you that the current international problems
are important enough to be discussed on DCML even though they are
off-topic. With the very international members and mostly friendly
atmosphere on this list there is a chance for an exchange opinions
without the usual bias.
And did you possibly mix up names? Mark Doukakis sent a perfectly polite
answer which just commented on our general problems to communicate -
without any reference to a apecific political opinion.
Cord
Doukakis, Mark (NBC)
International Politics
Message 278 -
2003-03-21 at 03:00:25
Dan Rosenberg wrote:
> And I would also like to ask people like Mr. Doukakis to please refrain
from hurling despicable insults towards people who don't agree with him.
It's fine if your opinions differ from some of those on this list, but let's
keep this mature and civilised. Just because our leaders are being
irrational doesn't mean we have to. In fact, just the opposite, we need to
be wiser and more tolerant than they have been.
The worst of what I said to Fabio was 'Read some history...' or 'In my
opinion, you're only insulting your own intelligence.' (Anyone who believes
Bush is as bad and worse than Hitler is... umm... well let's just say he's
mistaken, in my civilized opinion of course.) Also, I said it to a personal
message to him only. He chose to post it on the list.
And, yes, let us keep this mature and civilized as you requested. But as
Cord states, and I agree, fruitful communication between opposing groups on
this issue is really not possible.
Mark Doukakis
Because e-mail can be altered electronically,
the integrity of this communication cannot be guaranteed.
> And I would also like to ask people like Mr. Doukakis to please refrain
from hurling despicable insults towards people who don't agree with him.
It's fine if your opinions differ from some of those on this list, but let's
keep this mature and civilised. Just because our leaders are being
irrational doesn't mean we have to. In fact, just the opposite, we need to
be wiser and more tolerant than they have been.
The worst of what I said to Fabio was 'Read some history...' or 'In my
opinion, you're only insulting your own intelligence.' (Anyone who believes
Bush is as bad and worse than Hitler is... umm... well let's just say he's
mistaken, in my civilized opinion of course.) Also, I said it to a personal
message to him only. He chose to post it on the list.
And, yes, let us keep this mature and civilized as you requested. But as
Cord states, and I agree, fruitful communication between opposing groups on
this issue is really not possible.
Mark Doukakis
Because e-mail can be altered electronically,
the integrity of this communication cannot be guaranteed.
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
International Politics
Message 279 -
2003-03-21 at 03:29:29
Hi all!
Fabio Blanco <longtom at oeste.com.ar>
> Ditto, Mark. And please don't send more
> personals messages to me. I don't any personal
> with you. Thanks anyway for tell me in your
> message how be a good anti-american... :-P
This confuses me a bit, because...
Disney Co. is American.
Carl Barks was an American.
Gottfredson and Murry was Americans.
Many great present Disney-creators are Americans.
Calisota and Duckburg is said to be located in America.
Is it thus possible to love Disney-comics and still be an "anti-american"?
Or is that a so-called contradiction in terms?
Sigvald
Fabio Blanco <longtom at oeste.com.ar>
> Ditto, Mark. And please don't send more
> personals messages to me. I don't any personal
> with you. Thanks anyway for tell me in your
> message how be a good anti-american... :-P
This confuses me a bit, because...
Disney Co. is American.
Carl Barks was an American.
Gottfredson and Murry was Americans.
Many great present Disney-creators are Americans.
Calisota and Duckburg is said to be located in America.
Is it thus possible to love Disney-comics and still be an "anti-american"?
Or is that a so-called contradiction in terms?
Sigvald
Fabio Blanco
International Politics
Message 280 -
2003-03-21 at 03:55:26
Sigvald:
Mark sent me a little ironical recipe for being a good anti
american.
I am not feel anti american in the sense of talibans destroying Budha
statues... I can name a lot of things I love of U.S.A culture... but we
can't agree in politics, because the foreign policy of USA is imperialistic.
C'mon, friend, you heared Bush saying "don't destroy the oil fields". He
surely think is ok kill people to save the black gold.
sorry, I am so tired of arguing these things... I hear one and again to
american president and sound "got mit uns" to me...
The blessing are all that people protesting in NY, Chicago and the rest of
the world, including Buenos Aires...
America isn't so nice like you Sigvald: they never say "sorry"... ;-)
FABIO
> Disney Co. is American.
> Carl Barks was an American.
> Gottfredson and Murry was Americans.
> Many great present Disney-creators are Americans.
> Calisota and Duckburg is said to be located in America.
>
> Is it thus possible to love Disney-comics and still be an "anti-american"?
> Or is that a so-called contradiction in terms?
>
> Sigvald
Mark sent me a little ironical recipe for being a good anti
american.
I am not feel anti american in the sense of talibans destroying Budha
statues... I can name a lot of things I love of U.S.A culture... but we
can't agree in politics, because the foreign policy of USA is imperialistic.
C'mon, friend, you heared Bush saying "don't destroy the oil fields". He
surely think is ok kill people to save the black gold.
sorry, I am so tired of arguing these things... I hear one and again to
american president and sound "got mit uns" to me...
The blessing are all that people protesting in NY, Chicago and the rest of
the world, including Buenos Aires...
America isn't so nice like you Sigvald: they never say "sorry"... ;-)
FABIO
> Disney Co. is American.
> Carl Barks was an American.
> Gottfredson and Murry was Americans.
> Many great present Disney-creators are Americans.
> Calisota and Duckburg is said to be located in America.
>
> Is it thus possible to love Disney-comics and still be an "anti-american"?
> Or is that a so-called contradiction in terms?
>
> Sigvald
Gary Leach
Van Horn
Message 281 -
2003-03-21 at 04:39:37
Harry,
> A small technical matter: most Van Horn stories that Gladstone printed
> in their 2nd period, were made for Egmont in Denmark. This includes
> the story in US #318.
A perhaps smaller technical matter: Bill Van Horn letters most if not
all of his stories, so his full final artwork - and he regards his
lettering as part of that - for "Secrets" did not appear until
Gladstone's US #318.
Gary
> A small technical matter: most Van Horn stories that Gladstone printed
> in their 2nd period, were made for Egmont in Denmark. This includes
> the story in US #318.
A perhaps smaller technical matter: Bill Van Horn letters most if not
all of his stories, so his full final artwork - and he regards his
lettering as part of that - for "Secrets" did not appear until
Gladstone's US #318.
Gary
Lgiver
Donald's Cousin Cuthbert Coot
Message 282 -
2003-03-21 at 06:35:26
A few days ago someone asked about WDC&S #55, April 1945, in Barks' story
"Donald Learns the Ropes". Specifically, the question was if Donald
referred to
his cousin "Cuthbert Coot", or just Cuthbert, and somehow it was determined
he was a Coot. In the Gladstone Album 5 reprint of Barks' 10-page WDC&S
stories, we see the full name: Page 2, panel 3, Donald says "Only ten
more miles
to Cousin Cuthbert Coot's cattle ranch....", and panel 4, "Hi, cousin
Coot!...."
So later, those constructing family trees decided Cuthbert Coot must be
a grandson or great-grandson of Duckburg's founder Cornelius Coot, and
"the rest is history".
Best
wishes, Larry Giver.
"Donald Learns the Ropes". Specifically, the question was if Donald
referred to
his cousin "Cuthbert Coot", or just Cuthbert, and somehow it was determined
he was a Coot. In the Gladstone Album 5 reprint of Barks' 10-page WDC&S
stories, we see the full name: Page 2, panel 3, Donald says "Only ten
more miles
to Cousin Cuthbert Coot's cattle ranch....", and panel 4, "Hi, cousin
Coot!...."
So later, those constructing family trees decided Cuthbert Coot must be
a grandson or great-grandson of Duckburg's founder Cornelius Coot, and
"the rest is history".
Best
wishes, Larry Giver.
Dan Rosenberg
AW: International Politics
Message 283 -
2003-03-21 at 09:01:44
Re: Dan:
Re:
Re: Free speech does not mean that I can talk anywhere at any time about any
Re: topic I want. There also is the matter of politeness and consideration.
Re: Nevertheless I agreee with you that the current international problems
Re: are important enough to be discussed on DCML even though they are
Re: off-topic. With the very international members and mostly friendly
Re: atmosphere on this list there is a chance for an exchange opinions
Re: without the usual bias.
Re:
Re: And did you possibly mix up names? Mark Doukakis sent a perfectly polite
Re: answer which just commented on our general problems to communicate -
Re: without any reference to a apecific political opinion.
Mark made a very hostile remark about Fabio's age in an earlier mail, implying that he was immature and stupid. Comments like that always tick me off because they're cowardly. Instead of arguing a point he simply decided to resort to insults. Nothing really polite about that. And I have to disagree with you, what you describe above is anything but "free" speech. One is either free to speak or one isn't. Free speech means precisely that I can talk anywhere, anytime about any topic I want. Now, whether you respond or simply ignore me is your choice. I would also like to stress here that Mr. Doukakis has every right to disagree, respectfully. It's funny that nobody criticises advertisers when they cram their messages down our throats without asking us (as I write this even, I'm forced to look at obnoxious blinking banners), but the moment somebody says something even remotely meaningful or important, his free speech rights have to be questioned and limited. If I'm born with a ri
ght, something that is a "god-given" right, then noone on earth can administer or regulate that right for me, I simply have it. If my right to speak freely has to be kept under control, then I don't really have the right to speak freely and everything I was taught in school about my country was a lie. Millions of people across this planet today sent a message to the brotherhood, that we will not be co-opted into their maniacal schemes for world domination and we will no longer let them get away with bloody murder. I'm deeply ashamed of my country and my government today, and I would like everybody to know that. I would also like everyone to know that I fear for our democracy, not because of threats from without, but from within. In my opinion George W. Bush is a sick and dangerous individual, and we need to make sure that he never becomes the leader of the free world again. Some of you may feel differently and that is perfectly ok. Now that I've spoken my peace I will put th
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Re:
Re: Free speech does not mean that I can talk anywhere at any time about any
Re: topic I want. There also is the matter of politeness and consideration.
Re: Nevertheless I agreee with you that the current international problems
Re: are important enough to be discussed on DCML even though they are
Re: off-topic. With the very international members and mostly friendly
Re: atmosphere on this list there is a chance for an exchange opinions
Re: without the usual bias.
Re:
Re: And did you possibly mix up names? Mark Doukakis sent a perfectly polite
Re: answer which just commented on our general problems to communicate -
Re: without any reference to a apecific political opinion.
Mark made a very hostile remark about Fabio's age in an earlier mail, implying that he was immature and stupid. Comments like that always tick me off because they're cowardly. Instead of arguing a point he simply decided to resort to insults. Nothing really polite about that. And I have to disagree with you, what you describe above is anything but "free" speech. One is either free to speak or one isn't. Free speech means precisely that I can talk anywhere, anytime about any topic I want. Now, whether you respond or simply ignore me is your choice. I would also like to stress here that Mr. Doukakis has every right to disagree, respectfully. It's funny that nobody criticises advertisers when they cram their messages down our throats without asking us (as I write this even, I'm forced to look at obnoxious blinking banners), but the moment somebody says something even remotely meaningful or important, his free speech rights have to be questioned and limited. If I'm born with a ri
ght, something that is a "god-given" right, then noone on earth can administer or regulate that right for me, I simply have it. If my right to speak freely has to be kept under control, then I don't really have the right to speak freely and everything I was taught in school about my country was a lie. Millions of people across this planet today sent a message to the brotherhood, that we will not be co-opted into their maniacal schemes for world domination and we will no longer let them get away with bloody murder. I'm deeply ashamed of my country and my government today, and I would like everybody to know that. I would also like everyone to know that I fear for our democracy, not because of threats from without, but from within. In my opinion George W. Bush is a sick and dangerous individual, and we need to make sure that he never becomes the leader of the free world again. Some of you may feel differently and that is perfectly ok. Now that I've spoken my peace I will put th
e topic to rest. Thank you for indulging me.
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International Politics
Message 284 -
2003-03-21 at 10:24:56
Cord wrote:
> I agreee with you that the current international problems
> are important enough to be discussed on DCML even though they are
> off-topic.
I disagree completely.
I subscribed to DCML to get and write messages that are about Disney comics.
There are plenty of other places on Internet where people can exchange their opinions about more important things.
Note that this isn't my mailing list, so I can't stop anyone from any "freedom of speech", imaginary or not.
All I can do is ask politely.
--Harry.
> I agreee with you that the current international problems
> are important enough to be discussed on DCML even though they are
> off-topic.
I disagree completely.
I subscribed to DCML to get and write messages that are about Disney comics.
There are plenty of other places on Internet where people can exchange their opinions about more important things.
Note that this isn't my mailing list, so I can't stop anyone from any "freedom of speech", imaginary or not.
All I can do is ask politely.
--Harry.
Cord Wiljes
AW: International Politics
Message 285 -
2003-03-21 at 10:50:08
Fabio Blanco wrote:
> I know who Hitler was: a guy who did say respect pacts
> and later invade countries. Most americans support Bush,
> most Nazis did support Hitler...
in reply to Dan Rosenberg Mark Dukakis wrote:
> (Anyone who believes Bush is as bad and worse than Hitler is
> ... umm... well let's just say he's mistaken, in my civilized
> opinion of course.)
Coming from Germany I want to add: The comparison is completely wrong.
Hitler was vegetarian. So was Ghandi. Hitler enjoyed the Mickey Mouse
Cartoons. So do I. But Hitler was a mass-murderer who seduced a whole
country to follow his personal madness, set fire to a continent and
tried to wipe out entire populations. As much as one may disagree (and I
do) with George W. Bush, his motivations and his politics, there is no
parallel to Hitler.
> But as Cord states, and I agree, fruitful communication between
> opposing groups on this issue is really not possible.
Which is very sad indeed. For how can we expect our countries' leaders
to cooperate when we cannot? So what is the lesson? Should we stop
trying? I really don't know...
Cord
P.S.: Please notice that I tried to make this message at least slightly
on-topic. If you are further interested in Disney films during the
"Third Reich" I want to recommend the book "Wie Micky unter die Nazis
fiel" by Carsten Laqua (sorry, no English translation)
> I know who Hitler was: a guy who did say respect pacts
> and later invade countries. Most americans support Bush,
> most Nazis did support Hitler...
in reply to Dan Rosenberg Mark Dukakis wrote:
> (Anyone who believes Bush is as bad and worse than Hitler is
> ... umm... well let's just say he's mistaken, in my civilized
> opinion of course.)
Coming from Germany I want to add: The comparison is completely wrong.
Hitler was vegetarian. So was Ghandi. Hitler enjoyed the Mickey Mouse
Cartoons. So do I. But Hitler was a mass-murderer who seduced a whole
country to follow his personal madness, set fire to a continent and
tried to wipe out entire populations. As much as one may disagree (and I
do) with George W. Bush, his motivations and his politics, there is no
parallel to Hitler.
> But as Cord states, and I agree, fruitful communication between
> opposing groups on this issue is really not possible.
Which is very sad indeed. For how can we expect our countries' leaders
to cooperate when we cannot? So what is the lesson? Should we stop
trying? I really don't know...
Cord
P.S.: Please notice that I tried to make this message at least slightly
on-topic. If you are further interested in Disney films during the
"Third Reich" I want to recommend the book "Wie Micky unter die Nazis
fiel" by Carsten Laqua (sorry, no English translation)