Hi y'all !
Two weeks ago, Harry Fluks mentioned something which has
apparently escaped everybody's attention, since nobody reacted to
it:
> Still, I heard something new there: Don [Rosa] included a hint to
> HDL's parents in the "Return to Xanadu" story!
I'm still very curious as to what this 'hint' might be. I've read this
story several times over and I can't remember such a thing. (I don't
have it right here with me in Groningen.)
Does anybody have a suggestion? Harry, have you questioned Don
Rosa afterwards about this? Don Rosa, could you reveal it to us,
please? Or maybe such an revelation would spoil everything, so
everyone should look and find it for himself?
The only clue I can think of is that both "Return to Xanadu" and
"The Crown of the Crusader Kings" have an ending that points
forward to a possible sequel in which $crooge might return to his
ancestral castle in Scotland.
Michiel Prior.
Author
Topic: 200303
(442 messages)
M.J. Prior
Parents of Huey, Dewey, Louie in 'Return to Xanadu'
Message 346 -
2003-03-25 at 19:09:52
Olivier
Cover paper type, again
Message 347 -
2003-03-25 at 19:39:12
Hello everybody!
Ola:
>>>> Some time ago I sent a question about the same issue having different
>>>> types of paper on different copies of the Swedish Kalle Anka. The
>>>> Swedish equivalent to WDC.
>>>> I did not get any kind of response at all to it, so I wonder :
>>>> Is this totally uninteresting to the rest of you ? [...]
>>>> Has this really only happened in Sweden ? My opinion of your knowledge
>>>> on this list is that if this has happened in other countries you would
>>>> surely know about it.
Just so you don't feel ignored: I guess nobody answered because nobody knew of such a thing
occurring in their country. I don't remember any such thing happening in France.
All the best,
Olivier
Ola:
>>>> Some time ago I sent a question about the same issue having different
>>>> types of paper on different copies of the Swedish Kalle Anka. The
>>>> Swedish equivalent to WDC.
>>>> I did not get any kind of response at all to it, so I wonder :
>>>> Is this totally uninteresting to the rest of you ? [...]
>>>> Has this really only happened in Sweden ? My opinion of your knowledge
>>>> on this list is that if this has happened in other countries you would
>>>> surely know about it.
Just so you don't feel ignored: I guess nobody answered because nobody knew of such a thing
occurring in their country. I don't remember any such thing happening in France.
All the best,
Olivier
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Cover paper type, again
Message 348 -
2003-03-25 at 20:52:32
<Ola.Martinsson at uab.ericsson.se> wrote:
> Some time ago I sent a question about the same
> issue having different types of paper on
> different copies of the Swedish Kalle Anka.
> The Swedish equivalent to WDC. I did not get
> any kind of response at all to it...
No wonder, in this group it some time seems that the easiest way to get
attention is to discuss Ebay, American comic book sizes, or by accidentally
offending somebody.
To your question: various paper-quality has been used in the covers of
enclosures to the Norwegian Donald Duck & Co the last few years. The
variation is only among various issues. I don't know if that's some kind of
experiments to see how various types of paper-quality works out, or if it's
done to make some enclosures extra special.
Sigvald :-)
> Some time ago I sent a question about the same
> issue having different types of paper on
> different copies of the Swedish Kalle Anka.
> The Swedish equivalent to WDC. I did not get
> any kind of response at all to it...
No wonder, in this group it some time seems that the easiest way to get
attention is to discuss Ebay, American comic book sizes, or by accidentally
offending somebody.
To your question: various paper-quality has been used in the covers of
enclosures to the Norwegian Donald Duck & Co the last few years. The
variation is only among various issues. I don't know if that's some kind of
experiments to see how various types of paper-quality works out, or if it's
done to make some enclosures extra special.
Sigvald :-)
Kai Saarto
Parents of Huey, Dewey, Louie in 'Return to Xanadu'
Message 349 -
2003-03-26 at 13:30:18
M.J. Prior wrote:
>>Still, I heard something new there: Don [Rosa] included a hint to
>>HDL's parents in the "Return to Xanadu" story!
>
>
> I'm still very curious as to what this 'hint' might be. I've read this
> story several times over and I can't remember such a thing. (I don't
> have it right here with me in Groningen.)
It seems to be well hidden. I don't have the story at hand, but I was
wondering if it might be possible that the parents were actually in
Xanadu. It might explain why they haven't returned to fetch the kids
home from unca Donald. There must be some kind of "force majeure" at work.
--
- Kai Saarto
http://www.perunamaa.net/donrosa
>>Still, I heard something new there: Don [Rosa] included a hint to
>>HDL's parents in the "Return to Xanadu" story!
>
>
> I'm still very curious as to what this 'hint' might be. I've read this
> story several times over and I can't remember such a thing. (I don't
> have it right here with me in Groningen.)
It seems to be well hidden. I don't have the story at hand, but I was
wondering if it might be possible that the parents were actually in
Xanadu. It might explain why they haven't returned to fetch the kids
home from unca Donald. There must be some kind of "force majeure" at work.
--
- Kai Saarto
http://www.perunamaa.net/donrosa
SRoweCanoe
WDC&S complete reprints
Message 350 -
2003-03-26 at 13:52:39
I heard that Gladstone will be reprinting issues of WDC&S from #1 on ...
can anybody confirm this?
steven rowe
can anybody confirm this?
steven rowe
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Message 351 -
2003-03-26 at 13:55:20
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> I don't want to see lots of people leaving the DCML because of
> the offtopic and sometimes inflammatory discussions, so I've enabled
> emergency moderation of list traffic for some time, and will stop or
> at least delay offtopic messages that I judge will further worsen the
> situation.
I got several mails thanking me for this and not one flaming me, so I
think this was well received. For "censor watchers" I want to point
out that after I wrote this I wrote individually to every sender of a
message I wanted to reject and got agreement from the sender before
I rejected the message.
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Mickey
Parents of Huey, Dewey, Louie in 'Return to Xanadu'
Message 352 -
2003-03-26 at 13:57:38
Rosa said that someone in Xanadu told the twins they would have returned
there in order to discover a secret who deals with them. Or something like
this, neither I have the story at hand. Rosa also suggested that Della and
his husband were something like Senior Woodchucks, adventurers, tomb raiders
and so on, and they might be considered "lost in mission" to justify
everything. Or something like this :)
bye
Mickey
there in order to discover a secret who deals with them. Or something like
this, neither I have the story at hand. Rosa also suggested that Della and
his husband were something like Senior Woodchucks, adventurers, tomb raiders
and so on, and they might be considered "lost in mission" to justify
everything. Or something like this :)
bye
Mickey
Stefan Persson
WDC&S complete reprints
Message 353 -
2003-03-26 at 14:00:32
SRoweCanoe at aol.com wrote:
> I heard that Gladstone will be reprinting issues of WDC&S from #1 on ...
>
> can anybody confirm this?
That is highly unlikely since the license belongs to Gemstone, not
Gladstone.
Stefan
> I heard that Gladstone will be reprinting issues of WDC&S from #1 on ...
>
> can anybody confirm this?
That is highly unlikely since the license belongs to Gemstone, not
Gladstone.
Stefan
SRoweCanoe
WDC&S complete reprints
Message 354 -
2003-03-26 at 14:08:33
In a message dated 3/26/2003 7:04:04 AM Eastern Standard Time,
spe at inducks.org writes:
> That is highly unlikely since the license belongs to Gemstone, not
> Gladstone.
>
ok, how about is Gemstone doing it?
steven rowe
spe at inducks.org writes:
> That is highly unlikely since the license belongs to Gemstone, not
> Gladstone.
>
ok, how about is Gemstone doing it?
steven rowe
Ola Martinsson
Cover paper type, again
Message 355 -
2003-03-26 at 15:37:12
Hi Sigvald !
Thanks for answering me (you too Olivier) but you seem to have
misunderstood me. As I say in my first mail I'm talking about the same
issue e.g. #3 1954 with two different types of paper in the cover. The
usual type is glossy (blank in Swedish) on the surface of the cover
paper. But there exists a few known copies with a dull (matt in Swedish)
surface on the cover paper. And I really mean a few ! Maybe 10 ! And,
(as I say in my first mail in more detail), you have #2 1949 that has
two different types of cover paper of which both seem to have been
printed about the same amount of comics with.
Ola in a sunny Stockholm and spring is on the way
> To your question: various paper-quality has been used in the covers of
> enclosures to the Norwegian Donald Duck & Co the last few years. The
> variation is only among various issues. I don't know if that's some kind of
> experiments to see how various types of paper-quality works out, or if it's
> done to make some enclosures extra special.
>
> Sigvald :-)
>
> ------------------------------
Thanks for answering me (you too Olivier) but you seem to have
misunderstood me. As I say in my first mail I'm talking about the same
issue e.g. #3 1954 with two different types of paper in the cover. The
usual type is glossy (blank in Swedish) on the surface of the cover
paper. But there exists a few known copies with a dull (matt in Swedish)
surface on the cover paper. And I really mean a few ! Maybe 10 ! And,
(as I say in my first mail in more detail), you have #2 1949 that has
two different types of cover paper of which both seem to have been
printed about the same amount of comics with.
Ola in a sunny Stockholm and spring is on the way
> To your question: various paper-quality has been used in the covers of
> enclosures to the Norwegian Donald Duck & Co the last few years. The
> variation is only among various issues. I don't know if that's some kind of
> experiments to see how various types of paper-quality works out, or if it's
> done to make some enclosures extra special.
>
> Sigvald :-)
>
> ------------------------------
Don Rosa
DCML Digest Issue 1316
Message 356 -
2003-03-26 at 15:56:42
> From: "M.J. Prior" <M.J.Prior at let.rug.nl>
> Subject: Parents of Huey, Dewey, Louie in 'Return to Xanadu'
> > Still, I heard something new there: Don [Rosa] included a hint to
> > HDL's parents in the "Return to Xanadu" story!
>
> I'm still very curious as to what this 'hint' might be. I've read this
> story several times over and I can't remember such a thing. (I don't
> have it right here with me in Groningen.)
> Don Rosa, could you reveal it to us,
> please? Or maybe such an revelation would spoil everything, so
> everyone should look and find it for himself?
I don't want to reveal what it was (as if it's not easily guess-able?), but
at the press conference it Italy I never said these hints were IN the
finished story. The sequence I referred to was in the original *script*, but
I never illustrated that portion. Sorry if you were caused to reread and
rereread the story in search of something that isn't there.
Maybe I'll get around to it someday... but I'm not sure when or how I might
convince a publisher to accept it... or even if *I* will ultimately decide
it's a story that I have a way to tell that would make it appropriate.
> The only clue I can think of is that both "Return to Xanadu" and
> "The Crown of the Crusader Kings" have an ending that points
> forward to a possible sequel in which $crooge might return to his
> ancestral castle in Scotland.
Yes, the deleted portion in the "Return to Xanadu" script certainly did
refer to a sequel where the Ducks would again return there for "special
reason" (as the High Lama tells HD&L they are destined to do in the deleted
sequence). As for the other sequel you mention, I am now drawing that
tale -- it is the longest story I'll have ever done and features the return
of Matilda McDuck, the only one of the "missing Ducks" that Egmont will
allow me to use.
But even knowing that will spoil one of the surprises of the story, so
forget I said it!
> Subject: Parents of Huey, Dewey, Louie in 'Return to Xanadu'
> > Still, I heard something new there: Don [Rosa] included a hint to
> > HDL's parents in the "Return to Xanadu" story!
>
> I'm still very curious as to what this 'hint' might be. I've read this
> story several times over and I can't remember such a thing. (I don't
> have it right here with me in Groningen.)
> Don Rosa, could you reveal it to us,
> please? Or maybe such an revelation would spoil everything, so
> everyone should look and find it for himself?
I don't want to reveal what it was (as if it's not easily guess-able?), but
at the press conference it Italy I never said these hints were IN the
finished story. The sequence I referred to was in the original *script*, but
I never illustrated that portion. Sorry if you were caused to reread and
rereread the story in search of something that isn't there.
Maybe I'll get around to it someday... but I'm not sure when or how I might
convince a publisher to accept it... or even if *I* will ultimately decide
it's a story that I have a way to tell that would make it appropriate.
> The only clue I can think of is that both "Return to Xanadu" and
> "The Crown of the Crusader Kings" have an ending that points
> forward to a possible sequel in which $crooge might return to his
> ancestral castle in Scotland.
Yes, the deleted portion in the "Return to Xanadu" script certainly did
refer to a sequel where the Ducks would again return there for "special
reason" (as the High Lama tells HD&L they are destined to do in the deleted
sequence). As for the other sequel you mention, I am now drawing that
tale -- it is the longest story I'll have ever done and features the return
of Matilda McDuck, the only one of the "missing Ducks" that Egmont will
allow me to use.
But even knowing that will spoil one of the surprises of the story, so
forget I said it!
Kai Saarto
Cover paper type, again
Message 357 -
2003-03-26 at 16:05:56
Ola Martinsson wrote:
> Thanks for answering me (you too Olivier) but you seem to have
> misunderstood me. As I say in my first mail I'm talking about the same
> issue e.g. #3 1954 with two different types of paper in the cover. The
> usual type is glossy (blank in Swedish) on the surface of the cover
> paper. But there exists a few known copies with a dull (matt in Swedish)
> surface on the cover paper. And I really mean a few ! Maybe 10 ! And,
> (as I say in my first mail in more detail), you have #2 1949 that has
> two different types of cover paper of which both seem to have been
> printed about the same amount of comics with.
Sounds similar to Finnish editorial copies. These are for the staff to
make sure the coloring etc. comes out OK. I've seen them auctioned for a
somewhat high price in Finnish eBay equivalent.
--
- Kai Saarto
http://www.perunamaa.net/donrosa
> Thanks for answering me (you too Olivier) but you seem to have
> misunderstood me. As I say in my first mail I'm talking about the same
> issue e.g. #3 1954 with two different types of paper in the cover. The
> usual type is glossy (blank in Swedish) on the surface of the cover
> paper. But there exists a few known copies with a dull (matt in Swedish)
> surface on the cover paper. And I really mean a few ! Maybe 10 ! And,
> (as I say in my first mail in more detail), you have #2 1949 that has
> two different types of cover paper of which both seem to have been
> printed about the same amount of comics with.
Sounds similar to Finnish editorial copies. These are for the staff to
make sure the coloring etc. comes out OK. I've seen them auctioned for a
somewhat high price in Finnish eBay equivalent.
--
- Kai Saarto
http://www.perunamaa.net/donrosa
Rob Wilson
WDC&S complete reprints
Message 358 -
2003-03-26 at 16:12:04
on 3/26/03 7:08 AM, SRoweCanoe at aol.com at SRoweCanoe at aol.com wrote:
>
> ok, how about is Gemstone doing it?
>
Yes. From the ?Disney Comics Return!? interview with Steve Geppi on IGN.com
-
IGNFF: What are your current plans as far as something that
Gladstone never got around to, because I guess they were so entrenched in
the comic album format, in that there's never been Disney trade paperbacks ?
like an Uncle Scrooge trade paperback with a couple hundred pages worth of
stories?
GEPPI: Well, that's what I was just mentioning. In addition to
the pocket size, we plan to do some compilations. One project that we're
going to be doing late in the year is ? you'd probably describe this more as
a direct-market oriented project, because it's a reprint of classic Walt
Disney's Comics and Stories. We plan to do an exact size and shape Walt
Disney's Comics and Stories, starting with number one.
IGNFF: Oh really?
GEPPI: If you recall, Barks reprints ? when they did the
libraries for example, the Barks libraries ? they started with number 31,
because that's where Barks started. And even though these are strip
reprints, we feel that if we're going to be the people publishing Walt
Disney's Comics and Stories number 600 and something in an ongoing basis and
continue the tradition, there is going to be a market ? aside from the
collectors ? who'll want to go back and get, at reprint prices, a complete
Walt Disney's Comics and Stories set. So, effectively, we could put them out
like number 1, then number 2, number 3 ? then collect them again into an
archival package and a trade paperback version. For example, DC does
Superman 1, 2, 3, 4 and then 5 ? 8 in their archive editions. Well, the
difference here is we would do, in a sense, Superman 1, 2, 3, 4 in separate
issues, because they're big, thick, 64-page books, and collect them into
maybe ? and this is not all etched in stone, per se ? an expensive,
hard-cover, limited edition with the idea later of doing them in a trade
paperback for the bookstore market. That would be a variety of ways to get
revenue from those products, and packages that are more conducive to the
different audiences. For example, the collector might want that limited
edition hardcover, you know, in a very permanent looking package. The casual
buyer, who might go to a Walden's or a Barnes and Nobles or whatever, might
want that same thing, but it's the hardcover or soft cover thing that's
worked for you forever. So we feel pretty confident that there's a market
for that. It's already been established with the hardcovers ? at $50 no less
? that DC is selling. You're not going to get mass-market quantities at $50,
but then that's where the trade paperback comes in. So you can do a lot with
this, but I think that the mass market buyer ? that name, that title... Walt
Disney's Comics and Stories is just a perennial, and that's the right title
to start with, and to see if we can't get people who are picking them up
starting with number 600 and whatever, to work their way back in a nice
shelf life, archival edition ? keeping in mind that one of the perennial
ideas that has worked in the past that we're going to look at... when I was
a kid and you went to the food store with your mom, at the end of the aisle
you'd see a little stand-up display where you bought the first encyclopedia
for 99 cents. Then you were hooked, and every week when you came in you
bought the additional ones ? I'm giving my age away with the prices here. I
think that's the Disney, again, because it's Disney and that brand is
something that's got that continuity ? like a Walt Disney's Comics and
Stories ? I can see something like that that a parent, especially a
nostalgic parent, says, "Look at this, these are the same comics that when I
was a kid. I can have this whole series ..." We sign them up, so to speak,
in advance for Walt Disney's Comics and Stories for a long, long time.
-------------------
Take care,
Rob
>
> ok, how about is Gemstone doing it?
>
Yes. From the ?Disney Comics Return!? interview with Steve Geppi on IGN.com
-
IGNFF: What are your current plans as far as something that
Gladstone never got around to, because I guess they were so entrenched in
the comic album format, in that there's never been Disney trade paperbacks ?
like an Uncle Scrooge trade paperback with a couple hundred pages worth of
stories?
GEPPI: Well, that's what I was just mentioning. In addition to
the pocket size, we plan to do some compilations. One project that we're
going to be doing late in the year is ? you'd probably describe this more as
a direct-market oriented project, because it's a reprint of classic Walt
Disney's Comics and Stories. We plan to do an exact size and shape Walt
Disney's Comics and Stories, starting with number one.
IGNFF: Oh really?
GEPPI: If you recall, Barks reprints ? when they did the
libraries for example, the Barks libraries ? they started with number 31,
because that's where Barks started. And even though these are strip
reprints, we feel that if we're going to be the people publishing Walt
Disney's Comics and Stories number 600 and something in an ongoing basis and
continue the tradition, there is going to be a market ? aside from the
collectors ? who'll want to go back and get, at reprint prices, a complete
Walt Disney's Comics and Stories set. So, effectively, we could put them out
like number 1, then number 2, number 3 ? then collect them again into an
archival package and a trade paperback version. For example, DC does
Superman 1, 2, 3, 4 and then 5 ? 8 in their archive editions. Well, the
difference here is we would do, in a sense, Superman 1, 2, 3, 4 in separate
issues, because they're big, thick, 64-page books, and collect them into
maybe ? and this is not all etched in stone, per se ? an expensive,
hard-cover, limited edition with the idea later of doing them in a trade
paperback for the bookstore market. That would be a variety of ways to get
revenue from those products, and packages that are more conducive to the
different audiences. For example, the collector might want that limited
edition hardcover, you know, in a very permanent looking package. The casual
buyer, who might go to a Walden's or a Barnes and Nobles or whatever, might
want that same thing, but it's the hardcover or soft cover thing that's
worked for you forever. So we feel pretty confident that there's a market
for that. It's already been established with the hardcovers ? at $50 no less
? that DC is selling. You're not going to get mass-market quantities at $50,
but then that's where the trade paperback comes in. So you can do a lot with
this, but I think that the mass market buyer ? that name, that title... Walt
Disney's Comics and Stories is just a perennial, and that's the right title
to start with, and to see if we can't get people who are picking them up
starting with number 600 and whatever, to work their way back in a nice
shelf life, archival edition ? keeping in mind that one of the perennial
ideas that has worked in the past that we're going to look at... when I was
a kid and you went to the food store with your mom, at the end of the aisle
you'd see a little stand-up display where you bought the first encyclopedia
for 99 cents. Then you were hooked, and every week when you came in you
bought the additional ones ? I'm giving my age away with the prices here. I
think that's the Disney, again, because it's Disney and that brand is
something that's got that continuity ? like a Walt Disney's Comics and
Stories ? I can see something like that that a parent, especially a
nostalgic parent, says, "Look at this, these are the same comics that when I
was a kid. I can have this whole series ..." We sign them up, so to speak,
in advance for Walt Disney's Comics and Stories for a long, long time.
-------------------
Take care,
Rob
Timo Ronkainen
Cover paper type, again
Message 359 -
2003-03-26 at 16:27:42
Ola:
I'm talking about the
>same issue e.g. #3 1954 with two different types of paper in the cover. The
>usual type is glossy (blank in Swedish) on the surface of the cover paper.
>But there exists a few known copies with a dull (matt in Swedish) surface
>on the cover paper. And I really mean a few !
I've never seen anything like that in Finland as far as can I remember. That
doesn't mean that never occured. But my guess in here is that printer just
simply ran out paper during the print run, and they had to continue with
different paper. It's no wonder after war paper shortage.
Timo
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I'm talking about the
>same issue e.g. #3 1954 with two different types of paper in the cover. The
>usual type is glossy (blank in Swedish) on the surface of the cover paper.
>But there exists a few known copies with a dull (matt in Swedish) surface
>on the cover paper. And I really mean a few !
I've never seen anything like that in Finland as far as can I remember. That
doesn't mean that never occured. But my guess in here is that printer just
simply ran out paper during the print run, and they had to continue with
different paper. It's no wonder after war paper shortage.
Timo
^^''*''^^
Cartoonist - writer - donaldist -
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YO-kylä 52 A 26 --------------- -
20540 Turku ------------------- -
Finland ----------------------- -
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Xanadu
Message 360 -
2003-03-26 at 17:43:32
Michiel, Don:
me> Don [Rosa] included a hint to
me> HDL's parents in the "Return to Xanadu" story!
Michiel> I'm still very curious as to what this 'hint' might be.
Don> at the press conference it Italy I never said these hints were IN the
Don> finished story.
Ah, then that's my fault. I thought Don mentioned an actual scene of the story.
I didn't take the time to look up the story, so I never checked.
--Harry.
me> Don [Rosa] included a hint to
me> HDL's parents in the "Return to Xanadu" story!
Michiel> I'm still very curious as to what this 'hint' might be.
Don> at the press conference it Italy I never said these hints were IN the
Don> finished story.
Ah, then that's my fault. I thought Don mentioned an actual scene of the story.
I didn't take the time to look up the story, so I never checked.
--Harry.