Hi there
Would any of the Norwegians on this list happen to know what Rumpus McFowl
is called in Norwegian?
Erik Horthe
Author
Topic: 200303
(442 messages)
Erik Horthe
Rampus McFowl in Norway
Message 286 -
2003-03-21 at 11:24:09
Cord Wiljes
AW: AW: International Politics
Message 287 -
2003-03-21 at 11:26:05
I wrote:
>> Free speech does not mean that I can talk anywhere at any
>> time about any topic I want. There also is the matter of
>> politeness and consideration.
Dan Rosenberg replied:
> One is either free to speak or one isn't. Free speech means
> precisely that I can talk anywhere, anytime about any topic I want.
Immanuel Kant said: "Individual freedom ends where it encroaches on the
freedom and the rights of fellow citizens." So freedom also means to
accept the responsibility. Which you do:
> Some of you may feel differently and that is perfectly ok.
I could not agree more. I believe the discussion got a little out of
hand yesterday. Everybody is so emotional about this issue that we tend
to use harsh language and at the same time are overly sensitive towards
the tone in statements from others.
> It's funny that nobody criticises advertisers
> when they cram their messages down our throats without asking
> us (as I write this even, I'm forced to look at obnoxious
> blinking banners),
Should theere be regulations to ban tasteless, sexist and insulting
advertisements, in your opnion? Here in Germany we have.
> I'm deeply ashamed of my country and my government today.
In contrast to the old continent the U.S. still have their youthful
enthusiasm, which sometimes leads them to big mistakes but also enables
them to learn at a high speed. This time the whole world has to learn
with them. And this might probably also be a good result from the war:
The whole earth has to find peaceful ways of cooperation - very fast.
Cord
P.S.: If anybody wants to continue the discussion in private mail please
feel free to mail me.
>> Free speech does not mean that I can talk anywhere at any
>> time about any topic I want. There also is the matter of
>> politeness and consideration.
Dan Rosenberg replied:
> One is either free to speak or one isn't. Free speech means
> precisely that I can talk anywhere, anytime about any topic I want.
Immanuel Kant said: "Individual freedom ends where it encroaches on the
freedom and the rights of fellow citizens." So freedom also means to
accept the responsibility. Which you do:
> Some of you may feel differently and that is perfectly ok.
I could not agree more. I believe the discussion got a little out of
hand yesterday. Everybody is so emotional about this issue that we tend
to use harsh language and at the same time are overly sensitive towards
the tone in statements from others.
> It's funny that nobody criticises advertisers
> when they cram their messages down our throats without asking
> us (as I write this even, I'm forced to look at obnoxious
> blinking banners),
Should theere be regulations to ban tasteless, sexist and insulting
advertisements, in your opnion? Here in Germany we have.
> I'm deeply ashamed of my country and my government today.
In contrast to the old continent the U.S. still have their youthful
enthusiasm, which sometimes leads them to big mistakes but also enables
them to learn at a high speed. This time the whole world has to learn
with them. And this might probably also be a good result from the war:
The whole earth has to find peaceful ways of cooperation - very fast.
Cord
P.S.: If anybody wants to continue the discussion in private mail please
feel free to mail me.
Cord Wiljes
AW: Van Horn
Message 288 -
2003-03-21 at 11:42:02
Gary Leach wrote:
> A perhaps smaller technical matter: Bill Van Horn letters most if not
> all of his stories, so his full final artwork - and he regards his
> lettering as part of that - for "Secrets" did not appear until
> Gladstone's US #318.
William Van Horn's lettering is incredibly beautiful. In times where
lettering is a nearly exctinct craft, replaced by cheap computer fonts,
Van Horn's lettering is a shining example. In fact I believe he should
be nominated as "best letterer" in the next Eisner Awards.
Cord
> A perhaps smaller technical matter: Bill Van Horn letters most if not
> all of his stories, so his full final artwork - and he regards his
> lettering as part of that - for "Secrets" did not appear until
> Gladstone's US #318.
William Van Horn's lettering is incredibly beautiful. In times where
lettering is a nearly exctinct craft, replaced by cheap computer fonts,
Van Horn's lettering is a shining example. In fact I believe he should
be nominated as "best letterer" in the next Eisner Awards.
Cord
Eta Beta
International Politics
Message 289 -
2003-03-21 at 12:13:39
SIGVALD
>Is it thus possible to love Disney-comics and still be an
>"anti-american"?
"Anti-american" is the definition american *government* gives
to anybody disagreeing with them.
Disney comics have nothing to do with the american *government*
DAN
>I'm deeply ashamed of my country...
You shouldn't be. I'm certainly NOT ashamed of being italian
because we currently have a fascist government which I NEVER
supported.
>... and my government today
Indeed, that's the point. A good half of Italy is currently
covered with rainbow-colored flags, but our government doesn't
care... it's all a communist plot, they say (they always say
that).
In the end, I'm afraid the positions of those believing the
senseless killing of innocents can never be an answer, and
those ready to justify the use of violence for political/
economical purposes will remain irreconcilable.
We've still a long way before we can call ourselves civilized
without blushing... and I mean the human race, not any
specific nationality...
Will we remember all this next time we're called to vote ?
I hope so but, to answer another remark, who writes the history
books ? They have a nasty tendency of being adapted to current
political "needs", and thus being of very little use for actually
teaching anything meaningful to the new generations...
Definitely no cheers...
Eta Beta
>Is it thus possible to love Disney-comics and still be an
>"anti-american"?
"Anti-american" is the definition american *government* gives
to anybody disagreeing with them.
Disney comics have nothing to do with the american *government*
DAN
>I'm deeply ashamed of my country...
You shouldn't be. I'm certainly NOT ashamed of being italian
because we currently have a fascist government which I NEVER
supported.
>... and my government today
Indeed, that's the point. A good half of Italy is currently
covered with rainbow-colored flags, but our government doesn't
care... it's all a communist plot, they say (they always say
that).
In the end, I'm afraid the positions of those believing the
senseless killing of innocents can never be an answer, and
those ready to justify the use of violence for political/
economical purposes will remain irreconcilable.
We've still a long way before we can call ourselves civilized
without blushing... and I mean the human race, not any
specific nationality...
Will we remember all this next time we're called to vote ?
I hope so but, to answer another remark, who writes the history
books ? They have a nasty tendency of being adapted to current
political "needs", and thus being of very little use for actually
teaching anything meaningful to the new generations...
Definitely no cheers...
Eta Beta
Dave Rawson
Thanks to Per for allowing us this space...
Message 290 -
2003-03-21 at 12:26:54
Dan Rosenberg wrote:
> One is either free to speak or one isn't. Free speech means
> precisely that I can talk anywhere, anytime about any topic
> I want.
Dan, your words are obviously heartfelt and I know many folks deeply agree with
your sentiments which are, to my mind, noble and idealistic. Respectfully,
though, I completely disagree with you.
Further the varied laws of Man disagree with you. You may not slander. You may
not libel. In many countries that have suffered from it, you may not incite
hatred. You may not yell "Fire!" in a crowded theatre. You may not burn a cross
on my lawn. There are many limits to your "free" expression and those limits are
always advancing or retreating or simply evolving.
Regulated human behavior is necessary to the preservation of life.
> Now, whether you respond or simply ignore me is your choice.
That's true, but completely beside the point. Once an individual forces their
behavior onto another, the damage is done. One may be shot and ignore it, but
still die. One may be stabbed and ignore it and still bleed. On may be raped and
ignore it and suffer the psychic damage of having been violated by the
expression of another's will. It's a matter of degree as to the damage done, but
where one violates another's will, there is damage. Ignoring that component
denies reality and reduces other human beings to abstractions.
> If my right to speak freely has to be kept under control, then
> I don't really have the right to speak freely and everything I
> was taught in school about my country was a lie.
I know of no school that teaches what you espouse. If it did, it *would* be a
lie. It contradicts an ancient canon of law as old as recorded history.
Personally, I see this forum as a room full of guests who understand that we are
on our best behavior to respect and abide by the wishes of our host. No one has
*forced* us to be here. No one has *forced* us to choose a place where there are
knowingly *as we enter* guidelines for behavior. We know coming here that we
have pledged to restrict our behavior to a certain class of expression. To
pretend that that choice was not made is self-delusion.
We are here, explicitly, because we have chosen to abide by those guidelines.
It's true that anyone may abdicate their pledge of honor and choose to ignore
those agreed to guidelines, but that is a kind of violence and a damage to the
common bond is most certainly performed.
To be here is to have chosen to abide by the guidelines. To deny that they apply
is disingenuous. One need simply go elsewhere. There is no restriction on your
"free" speech save the compact you freely made when you entered this arena.
All my best,
--
,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_
riverrun past Eve and Adam's from swerve of shore to bend of bay
,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_
> One is either free to speak or one isn't. Free speech means
> precisely that I can talk anywhere, anytime about any topic
> I want.
Dan, your words are obviously heartfelt and I know many folks deeply agree with
your sentiments which are, to my mind, noble and idealistic. Respectfully,
though, I completely disagree with you.
Further the varied laws of Man disagree with you. You may not slander. You may
not libel. In many countries that have suffered from it, you may not incite
hatred. You may not yell "Fire!" in a crowded theatre. You may not burn a cross
on my lawn. There are many limits to your "free" expression and those limits are
always advancing or retreating or simply evolving.
Regulated human behavior is necessary to the preservation of life.
> Now, whether you respond or simply ignore me is your choice.
That's true, but completely beside the point. Once an individual forces their
behavior onto another, the damage is done. One may be shot and ignore it, but
still die. One may be stabbed and ignore it and still bleed. On may be raped and
ignore it and suffer the psychic damage of having been violated by the
expression of another's will. It's a matter of degree as to the damage done, but
where one violates another's will, there is damage. Ignoring that component
denies reality and reduces other human beings to abstractions.
> If my right to speak freely has to be kept under control, then
> I don't really have the right to speak freely and everything I
> was taught in school about my country was a lie.
I know of no school that teaches what you espouse. If it did, it *would* be a
lie. It contradicts an ancient canon of law as old as recorded history.
Personally, I see this forum as a room full of guests who understand that we are
on our best behavior to respect and abide by the wishes of our host. No one has
*forced* us to be here. No one has *forced* us to choose a place where there are
knowingly *as we enter* guidelines for behavior. We know coming here that we
have pledged to restrict our behavior to a certain class of expression. To
pretend that that choice was not made is self-delusion.
We are here, explicitly, because we have chosen to abide by those guidelines.
It's true that anyone may abdicate their pledge of honor and choose to ignore
those agreed to guidelines, but that is a kind of violence and a damage to the
common bond is most certainly performed.
To be here is to have chosen to abide by the guidelines. To deny that they apply
is disingenuous. One need simply go elsewhere. There is no restriction on your
"free" speech save the compact you freely made when you entered this arena.
All my best,
--
,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_
riverrun past Eve and Adam's from swerve of shore to bend of bay
,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_
Per Starback
Thanks to Per for allowing us this space...
Message 291 -
2003-03-21 at 14:16:19
I've been reluctant to step in, but this seems to be getting out of
hand. I don't want to see lots of people leaving the DCML because of
the offtopic and sometimes inflammatory discussions, so I've enabled
emergency moderation of list traffic for some time, and will stop or
at least delay offtopic messages that I judge will further worsen the
situation. (This does not mean that any mention of the ongoing war or
its consequences is forbidden.) (I have already rejected a couple of
posts that were on hold since they were posted by non-subscriber
addresses.)
This happens at an arbitrary time, so some people may think this is
unfair because someone else has already written something they
shouldn't that surely *must* be responded to. So respond in private
mail, then, and include anyone who seems to have been interested in
that topic.
I've been reluctant, since there sometimes is a fine line between
offtopic and offtopic. People who know each other because of a common
interest tend to naturally talk to each other about other things that
are dear to their heart too, and I think many messages about this
have shown restrain and not been inflammatory, and also many people
have tried to keep it on-topic. When whole messages again and again
are only about something offtopic (regardless of how important that
may be) the line has been crossed.
As for freedom of speech I agree with what Dave Rawson so eloquently
wrote. For you Americans, I am not Congress (which "shall make no law
... abridging the freedom of speech"), nor do I in any way control a
substantial part of the outlets where you can use your freedom of
speech on this or any other issue.
(I have nothing against discussion on this issue -- only on this list!
If there really is interest in continuing discussing this with fellow
duck fans I would have nothing against creating a special temporary
list just for that. Just tell me (in private mail)!)
--
Per Starback <starback at ling.uu.se>, DCML administrator
"My Baghdad Bag Co. got in bad with the Baghdad bigdads because of a
bad sag the bags had!"
hand. I don't want to see lots of people leaving the DCML because of
the offtopic and sometimes inflammatory discussions, so I've enabled
emergency moderation of list traffic for some time, and will stop or
at least delay offtopic messages that I judge will further worsen the
situation. (This does not mean that any mention of the ongoing war or
its consequences is forbidden.) (I have already rejected a couple of
posts that were on hold since they were posted by non-subscriber
addresses.)
This happens at an arbitrary time, so some people may think this is
unfair because someone else has already written something they
shouldn't that surely *must* be responded to. So respond in private
mail, then, and include anyone who seems to have been interested in
that topic.
I've been reluctant, since there sometimes is a fine line between
offtopic and offtopic. People who know each other because of a common
interest tend to naturally talk to each other about other things that
are dear to their heart too, and I think many messages about this
have shown restrain and not been inflammatory, and also many people
have tried to keep it on-topic. When whole messages again and again
are only about something offtopic (regardless of how important that
may be) the line has been crossed.
As for freedom of speech I agree with what Dave Rawson so eloquently
wrote. For you Americans, I am not Congress (which "shall make no law
... abridging the freedom of speech"), nor do I in any way control a
substantial part of the outlets where you can use your freedom of
speech on this or any other issue.
(I have nothing against discussion on this issue -- only on this list!
If there really is interest in continuing discussing this with fellow
duck fans I would have nothing against creating a special temporary
list just for that. Just tell me (in private mail)!)
--
Per Starback <starback at ling.uu.se>, DCML administrator
"My Baghdad Bag Co. got in bad with the Baghdad bigdads because of a
bad sag the bags had!"
Fabio Blanco
Thanks to Per for allowing us this space...
Message 292 -
2003-03-21 at 15:52:18
> --
> Per Starback <starback at ling.uu.se>, DCML administrator
> "My Baghdad Bag Co. got in bad with the Baghdad bigdads because of a
> bad sag the bags had!"
mmm... not a bad gag, dad...
FABIO
bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar
> Per Starback <starback at ling.uu.se>, DCML administrator
> "My Baghdad Bag Co. got in bad with the Baghdad bigdads because of a
> bad sag the bags had!"
mmm... not a bad gag, dad...
FABIO
bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar
Mateusz Lis
COA
Message 293 -
2003-03-21 at 17:45:45
Just a quick question:
What happened with list of publications on COA???
"Latest update: 13 hours ago (148 163 stories, 0 publications, 17 956 covers)"
Best wishes,
lis
What happened with list of publications on COA???
"Latest update: 13 hours ago (148 163 stories, 0 publications, 17 956 covers)"
Best wishes,
lis
Stefan Persson
International Politics
Message 294 -
2003-03-21 at 17:53:56
Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr. wrote:
>Calisota and Duckburg is said to be located in America.
>
>
Yes, but Ankeborg is said to be located in Sweden.
Stefan
>Calisota and Duckburg is said to be located in America.
>
>
Yes, but Ankeborg is said to be located in Sweden.
Stefan
M. Mitchell Marmel
Thanks to Per for allowing us this space...
Message 295 -
2003-03-21 at 18:27:52
At 10:52 AM -0300 3/21/03, Fabio Blanco wrote:
> > --
>> Per Starback <starback at ling.uu.se>, DCML administrator
>> "My Baghdad Bag Co. got in bad with the Baghdad bigdads because of a
>> bad sag the bags had!"
>
>mmm... not a bad gag, dad...
Not bad atall. Can be tuned up a bit, though...
Baghdad Bags had bags with a bad sag and got in bad with the Bagdad bigdad brigade for lowgrade ill made off-track sacks which would crack with a clack-not worth jack in Iraq! Fade to black...
-MMM-
> > --
>> Per Starback <starback at ling.uu.se>, DCML administrator
>> "My Baghdad Bag Co. got in bad with the Baghdad bigdads because of a
>> bad sag the bags had!"
>
>mmm... not a bad gag, dad...
Not bad atall. Can be tuned up a bit, though...
Baghdad Bags had bags with a bad sag and got in bad with the Bagdad bigdad brigade for lowgrade ill made off-track sacks which would crack with a clack-not worth jack in Iraq! Fade to black...
-MMM-
Paolo Castagno
Tree & map
Message 296 -
2003-03-21 at 19:11:33
> I've just found DD tree and Duckburg map in the sticker
> album "That's Donald".
> Unfortunately, my version isn't complete - I don't have
> all stickers. Maybe someone here on DCML has the complete one?
I also used to collect the Io Paperino stickers, but my album is far
from being complete; since I still have my doubles, I was wondering
if there is someone around here who wants to swap them....
Ciao,
- Paolo
http://digilander.libero.it/inducks mailto:p.castagno at libero.it
> album "That's Donald".
> Unfortunately, my version isn't complete - I don't have
> all stickers. Maybe someone here on DCML has the complete one?
I also used to collect the Io Paperino stickers, but my album is far
from being complete; since I still have my doubles, I was wondering
if there is someone around here who wants to swap them....
Ciao,
- Paolo
http://digilander.libero.it/inducks mailto:p.castagno at libero.it
H.W.Fluks
Bagdad
Message 297 -
2003-03-21 at 19:46:50
Fabio Blanco wrote:
> > --
> > Per Starback <starback at ling.uu.se>, DCML administrator
> > "My Baghdad Bag Co. got in bad with the Baghdad bigdads
> > because of a bad sag the bags had!"
>
> mmm... not a bad gag, dad...
It's a quote from a Barks story. Can you guess which one?
(Hint: the story is from the 1960s.)
--Harry.
> > --
> > Per Starback <starback at ling.uu.se>, DCML administrator
> > "My Baghdad Bag Co. got in bad with the Baghdad bigdads
> > because of a bad sag the bags had!"
>
> mmm... not a bad gag, dad...
It's a quote from a Barks story. Can you guess which one?
(Hint: the story is from the 1960s.)
--Harry.
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Bagdad
Message 298 -
2003-03-21 at 21:41:57
H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl wrote:
>> because of a bad sag the bags had!
>
> It's a quote from a Barks story. Can you guess
> which one?
My guess is that it's "King Scrooge Ist" in where Scrooge and his nephews
goes to a place called Sagbad.
Sigvald :-)
>> because of a bad sag the bags had!
>
> It's a quote from a Barks story. Can you guess
> which one?
My guess is that it's "King Scrooge Ist" in where Scrooge and his nephews
goes to a place called Sagbad.
Sigvald :-)
Danehog
Van Horn's Lettering (and Disney lettering in general)
Message 299 -
2003-03-21 at 21:57:06
In a message dated 3/21/2003 4:42:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, cord at wiljes.de
writes:
> William Van Horn's lettering is incredibly beautiful. In times where
> lettering is a nearly exctinct craft, replaced by cheap computer fonts,
> Van Horn's lettering is a shining example. In fact I believe he should
> be nominated as "best letterer" in the next Eisner Awards.
I agree completely! It's almost *disgusting* seeing computer lettering taking
over the entire industry, with prime examples being most of Marvel's comic
book line. Their comics have such a "cheap" feel to them now, as if they're
processed in three and a half days. The computer-rendering lettering and
computer-rendered balloons just generally fail to feel "complete" next to
hand-drawn/inked artwork.
Van Horn's lettering is crisp, clean, attractive, and looks like it *belongs*
in the stories.
While we're on the subject of Disney lettering, I liked Carl Barks' early
lettering much better than his later stuff. The early lettering--with
exclamation points actually being circles instead of dots--was just
"bubblier," "crisper," and more fun to look at. I guess it's pointless to
criticize lettering like this, but I thought I'd bring it up.
All the other elements of Barks' stories were seemingly perfect, so there's
nothing I should complain about anyway!
--
Thanks for reading this nonsense,
Dane Martin
writes:
> William Van Horn's lettering is incredibly beautiful. In times where
> lettering is a nearly exctinct craft, replaced by cheap computer fonts,
> Van Horn's lettering is a shining example. In fact I believe he should
> be nominated as "best letterer" in the next Eisner Awards.
I agree completely! It's almost *disgusting* seeing computer lettering taking
over the entire industry, with prime examples being most of Marvel's comic
book line. Their comics have such a "cheap" feel to them now, as if they're
processed in three and a half days. The computer-rendering lettering and
computer-rendered balloons just generally fail to feel "complete" next to
hand-drawn/inked artwork.
Van Horn's lettering is crisp, clean, attractive, and looks like it *belongs*
in the stories.
While we're on the subject of Disney lettering, I liked Carl Barks' early
lettering much better than his later stuff. The early lettering--with
exclamation points actually being circles instead of dots--was just
"bubblier," "crisper," and more fun to look at. I guess it's pointless to
criticize lettering like this, but I thought I'd bring it up.
All the other elements of Barks' stories were seemingly perfect, so there's
nothing I should complain about anyway!
--
Thanks for reading this nonsense,
Dane Martin
Daniel Vasset Haugsbø
Rampus McFowl
Message 300 -
2003-03-21 at 21:59:00
>
> Hi there
>
> Would any of the Norwegians on this list happen to
> know what Rumpus McFowl
> is called in Norwegian?
>
> Erik Horthe
I think it is Jubalon, hope this helps.
Daniel Vasset Haugsb?
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> Hi there
>
> Would any of the Norwegians on this list happen to
> know what Rumpus McFowl
> is called in Norwegian?
>
> Erik Horthe
I think it is Jubalon, hope this helps.
Daniel Vasset Haugsb?
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