bi442 at lafn.org (Rob Klein) writes:
> Gottfredson gave us the Fieldmouses (not Fieldmice!) and
> Churchmouses (not Churchmice) (just as the Native American
> U.S.A. and Canadian Blackfeet tribal members are not a Blackfoot in
> the singular),
Not even the one-legged (or peg-legged) ones?
--
Helge
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Topic: 200303
(442 messages)
Helge J. Björnhaug
Mickey's Family Tree
Message 436 -
2003-03-31 at 20:29:31
Olivier
Fulton
Message 437 -
2003-03-31 at 20:31:41
Maciek:
>>> That gay was a Bird! Look agian.
>>> (page 8 panel ,1 and 2)
Oh! sorry. I was looking at the gray-haired one! (Since you were asking about the gray-haired one--
the other is white-haired-- white-feathered?)
My confused apologies!
I don't think; could be, though; maybe he wasn't but now we have seen Fulton we can consider him to
be Fulton. Only one person cansay for sure: the author.
However, I guess if Don Rosa had meant him to be Fulton, he would have inserted his name somewhere.
Olivier
>>> That gay was a Bird! Look agian.
>>> (page 8 panel ,1 and 2)
Oh! sorry. I was looking at the gray-haired one! (Since you were asking about the gray-haired one--
the other is white-haired-- white-feathered?)
My confused apologies!
I don't think; could be, though; maybe he wasn't but now we have seen Fulton we can consider him to
be Fulton. Only one person cansay for sure: the author.
However, I guess if Don Rosa had meant him to be Fulton, he would have inserted his name somewhere.
Olivier
Timo Ronkainen
Mickey from Steamboat Willie meets comics' Mickey
Message 438 -
2003-03-31 at 20:35:01
>Cesar meanwhile produced a great simulation of
>early Gottfredson style in his renderings of 1902 Mouseton.
Indeed a wonderful story with great art work!
Cesar Ferioli is undoubtedly the best of the modern Mickey artists (at least
he is my favorite!). His craphics has wonderful cinematic and animation-like
values. He is visually close to Gottfredson and Fred Moore, but manages to
get out something that's his own. It's also been refreshing to notice some
exceptional lay-outs in his pages (Shamballa -stories). I'd just like to see
much much longer adventure-mystery-thriller-detective Mickey Mouse -stories
by him (like some graphic albums/novels).
Timo
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>early Gottfredson style in his renderings of 1902 Mouseton.
Indeed a wonderful story with great art work!
Cesar Ferioli is undoubtedly the best of the modern Mickey artists (at least
he is my favorite!). His craphics has wonderful cinematic and animation-like
values. He is visually close to Gottfredson and Fred Moore, but manages to
get out something that's his own. It's also been refreshing to notice some
exceptional lay-outs in his pages (Shamballa -stories). I'd just like to see
much much longer adventure-mystery-thriller-detective Mickey Mouse -stories
by him (like some graphic albums/novels).
Timo
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Fulton
Message 439 -
2003-03-31 at 21:00:51
> Nope. He's not even a bird.
That gay was a Bird! Look agian.
(page 8 panel ,1 and 2)
Yours
Maciek
That gay was a Bird! Look agian.
(page 8 panel ,1 and 2)
Yours
Maciek
Stefan Persson
A Mickey's story
Message 440 -
2003-03-31 at 21:39:16
Luca Boschi wrote:
> Very interesting, David and all!
>
> Can someone tell us how many pages long is the story D 2000-022 : "Les
> Revenants de 'l'Ent?t?", or "Steamboat Willies", by Stefan Petrucha
> and C?sar Ferioli?
You'll find all the necessary information in Inducks:
D 2000-022 10 SPt CFe ? MM [desc:a Mickey ghost on the paddle steamer] [xapp:MM]
| [pubdate:2002-10-14] [xref:QMS 1928-019(sequel)] [code:D
| 2000-022(fi)]
| dk: AA2002-42 (Hold dampen oppe)
| fi: AA2002-49 (H?yrylaivan haamut)
| no: DD2002-42 (Opp med dampen!)
| pl: KD 2002-43 (Dwaj kapitanowie)
| se: KA2002-42 (?ngb?tsvillig)
The French issue has not been indexed yet, though.
Stefan
> Very interesting, David and all!
>
> Can someone tell us how many pages long is the story D 2000-022 : "Les
> Revenants de 'l'Ent?t?", or "Steamboat Willies", by Stefan Petrucha
> and C?sar Ferioli?
You'll find all the necessary information in Inducks:
D 2000-022 10 SPt CFe ? MM [desc:a Mickey ghost on the paddle steamer] [xapp:MM]
| [pubdate:2002-10-14] [xref:QMS 1928-019(sequel)] [code:D
| 2000-022(fi)]
| dk: AA2002-42 (Hold dampen oppe)
| fi: AA2002-49 (H?yrylaivan haamut)
| no: DD2002-42 (Opp med dampen!)
| pl: KD 2002-43 (Dwaj kapitanowie)
| se: KA2002-42 (?ngb?tsvillig)
The French issue has not been indexed yet, though.
Stefan
Timo Ronkainen
Yes, there were Mickey newspaper strips in 193 0s Germany...
Message 441 -
2003-03-31 at 23:16:46
>Hope I can get a copy of the Dreßler/Storm book.
313 has it in their web store:
http://www.dreidreizehn.de
It appears to be very interesting book.
"210 pages, Softcover, color/bw. WxH: 20x22cm (7.9x8.7"). Henschel 1991.
Text: Germ.
'In the Reich of Mickey Mouse' - documentation for an exhibition in Berlin
1991. This rare catalog shows lots of newspaper clippings, illustrations and
documents depicting the presence of Mickey Mouse in Germany between
1927-1945. Main topics are Disney's cartoons in Germany till 1945, and
German Disneyana produced between 1929 and 1945. Many remarkable
illustrations (b/w) and several color pages with very coarse German pre-war
products."
Timo
Today we had 313 -day! (31st of march)
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313 has it in their web store:
http://www.dreidreizehn.de
It appears to be very interesting book.
"210 pages, Softcover, color/bw. WxH: 20x22cm (7.9x8.7"). Henschel 1991.
Text: Germ.
'In the Reich of Mickey Mouse' - documentation for an exhibition in Berlin
1991. This rare catalog shows lots of newspaper clippings, illustrations and
documents depicting the presence of Mickey Mouse in Germany between
1927-1945. Main topics are Disney's cartoons in Germany till 1945, and
German Disneyana produced between 1929 and 1945. Many remarkable
illustrations (b/w) and several color pages with very coarse German pre-war
products."
Timo
Today we had 313 -day! (31st of march)
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http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/
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Teaming of Mickey and Goofy
Message 442 -
2003-03-31 at 23:33:23
Olivier wrote:
>Goofy's simple-mindedness makes for more serious gags: not slapstick >but
>character-driven [...] therefore [he is] a better companion for Mickey
>[...] I am not sure Gottfredson would have kept using Donald; once
>in a while, for variety, but in the end, I guess he would have >stopped
>anyway.
That's what our subconscious desperately wants to make us believe, isn't it?
;-) Mickey and Goofy just fit together too well, also from a visual,
esthetic point of view. The duo just seems to have evolved naturally. But:
at that time Disney comics still paid a lot of attention to what happened in
the cartoons (even some of their themes were adopted) and as I have said
before there's not even one cartoon that shows Mickey and Goofy as a duo.
Which is even more irritating in the light of about half a dozen cartoons
that couple Goofy with Donald, even long after both had become solo stars.
So were Mickey and Goofy really meant for each other from the outset?
Gerd wrote:
>Donald disappeared from the MM strip at about the same time when he
>began to appear regularly within the Silly Symphonies Sunday pages. >This
>has been attributed to the fact that the MM and the SS strips were
>sometimes sold to rivaling newspapers, so the paper which bought the SS
>strip wouldn't have approved of Donald also appearing in the
>competitor's paper.
This adds to my assumption that the reasons leading to the "creation" of one
of the leading duos in comic history were rather profane. What Gerd says
seems to be proven by the fact that you can't even see the tip of the tail
of a Mickey in all of the 67 Silly Symphony Sunday pages featuring DD,
whilst Goofy and other "mouse universe" characters can be seen very often.
In short: Horace's star was already fading in the cartoons of the time, so
he wasn't the ideal companion for Mickey anymore, and Donald had to be
cancelled for business reasons. The only remaining option was Goofy. It
wasn't a natural teaming, but I'm sure Gottfredson and his collaborators
noticed very soon that they were on the right track.
Does this still make sense? Not sure, but I'll post it anyway...
Frank
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>Goofy's simple-mindedness makes for more serious gags: not slapstick >but
>character-driven [...] therefore [he is] a better companion for Mickey
>[...] I am not sure Gottfredson would have kept using Donald; once
>in a while, for variety, but in the end, I guess he would have >stopped
>anyway.
That's what our subconscious desperately wants to make us believe, isn't it?
;-) Mickey and Goofy just fit together too well, also from a visual,
esthetic point of view. The duo just seems to have evolved naturally. But:
at that time Disney comics still paid a lot of attention to what happened in
the cartoons (even some of their themes were adopted) and as I have said
before there's not even one cartoon that shows Mickey and Goofy as a duo.
Which is even more irritating in the light of about half a dozen cartoons
that couple Goofy with Donald, even long after both had become solo stars.
So were Mickey and Goofy really meant for each other from the outset?
Gerd wrote:
>Donald disappeared from the MM strip at about the same time when he
>began to appear regularly within the Silly Symphonies Sunday pages. >This
>has been attributed to the fact that the MM and the SS strips were
>sometimes sold to rivaling newspapers, so the paper which bought the SS
>strip wouldn't have approved of Donald also appearing in the
>competitor's paper.
This adds to my assumption that the reasons leading to the "creation" of one
of the leading duos in comic history were rather profane. What Gerd says
seems to be proven by the fact that you can't even see the tip of the tail
of a Mickey in all of the 67 Silly Symphony Sunday pages featuring DD,
whilst Goofy and other "mouse universe" characters can be seen very often.
In short: Horace's star was already fading in the cartoons of the time, so
he wasn't the ideal companion for Mickey anymore, and Donald had to be
cancelled for business reasons. The only remaining option was Goofy. It
wasn't a natural teaming, but I'm sure Gottfredson and his collaborators
noticed very soon that they were on the right track.
Does this still make sense? Not sure, but I'll post it anyway...
Frank
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