Goofy313g at aol.com wrote:
>>>>if there is no name there, Mailman will only list your e->>>mail address in its archieves and digests.
>>>>
>>>>
>But there IS my name, here
>
>
> From: Goofy313g at aol.com
You see? No name.
Stefan
Author
Topic: 200303
(442 messages)
Stefan Persson
(No subject)
Message 241 -
2003-03-19 at 16:49:49
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Gemstone and Europe
Message 242 -
2003-03-19 at 17:31:50
Lars Jensen <lpj at forfatter.dk> wrote:
> 1. What makes you think this law is stupid?
I can't possibly see any sane reason for denying
Danes or other Europeans to import magazines from
abroad, can you?
> 2. What makes you think it is protectionist?
Because that is what my Danish friends told me
in Copenhagen. They said it is to protect the
Danish comics.
Sigvald :-)
> 1. What makes you think this law is stupid?
I can't possibly see any sane reason for denying
Danes or other Europeans to import magazines from
abroad, can you?
> 2. What makes you think it is protectionist?
Because that is what my Danish friends told me
in Copenhagen. They said it is to protect the
Danish comics.
Sigvald :-)
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Don Rosa and Picsou
Message 243 -
2003-03-19 at 17:36:02
> Den gode Stefan Di?s har l?nge bedrivit en
> kampanj f?r att g?ra Nafs(k) f?nigare.
kan any of our Swedish friends here please tell
us Norwegians, Danes and the rest hetre what this very strange Swedish word
"f?nig" means?
Sigvald :-)
> kampanj f?r att g?ra Nafs(k) f?nigare.
kan any of our Swedish friends here please tell
us Norwegians, Danes and the rest hetre what this very strange Swedish word
"f?nig" means?
Sigvald :-)
Lars Jensen
Possible Disney "Guest" Artists
Message 244 -
2003-03-19 at 17:40:16
Dane Martin wrote:
> I mean, look at, say, "The Spirit," or "Heart of the Storm"--Disney is
> such a big jump from that.
>
> [Will] Eisner's work is always done "diversely," but almost all of his
> books have a prominent style that I can't see working with the Disney
> Ducks.
He did fairy tales, too, remember? So he might be able to pull it off.
But according to interviews with him, he has lots of stories to tell. I
doubt he'd take time off from his next graphic novel to write a Donald
Duck story.
And, besides, I'd rather read his creator-owned stories. The man is a
genius.
Lars
> I mean, look at, say, "The Spirit," or "Heart of the Storm"--Disney is
> such a big jump from that.
>
> [Will] Eisner's work is always done "diversely," but almost all of his
> books have a prominent style that I can't see working with the Disney
> Ducks.
He did fairy tales, too, remember? So he might be able to pull it off.
But according to interviews with him, he has lots of stories to tell. I
doubt he'd take time off from his next graphic novel to write a Donald
Duck story.
And, besides, I'd rather read his creator-owned stories. The man is a
genius.
Lars
Stefan Persson
Don Rosa and Picsou
Message 245 -
2003-03-19 at 18:10:48
Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr. wrote:
>>Den gode Stefan Di?s har l?nge bedrivit en
>>kampanj f?r att g?ra Nafs(k) f?nigare.
>>
>>
>kan any of our Swedish friends here please tell
>us Norwegians, Danes and the rest hetre what this very strange Swedish word
>"f?nig" means?
>
>
F?nig = silly
Stefan
>>Den gode Stefan Di?s har l?nge bedrivit en
>>kampanj f?r att g?ra Nafs(k) f?nigare.
>>
>>
>kan any of our Swedish friends here please tell
>us Norwegians, Danes and the rest hetre what this very strange Swedish word
>"f?nig" means?
>
>
F?nig = silly
Stefan
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
DCML Digest Issue 1304
Message 246 -
2003-03-19 at 18:21:35
Don Rosa <donrosa at iglou.com> wrote:
> He is one of my biggest fans, and I get rather
> embarrassed! I was flabbergasted that he would
> seem to be implying, which someone might infer
> was based on private knowledge, that I had the
> absurd feeling for the French or for the editor
> of PICSOU that he described.
Well this shows how difficult communication via
the internet can be. It was not my intention at
all to draw any conclusions on you behalf. I
can now see that I should have dropped the
quess in h end of that posting. I am indeed
very sorry for this.
> But as outta-line as I thought he was, I saw
> nothing in his message to offend anyone but
> MOI.
Well, I can ensure you and everybody else here
that nothing there was written with the purpose
of offending anybody.
> I think I've done all I can to try to dissuade
> Sigvald from making these drastic assumptions
> or to constantly insult other writers and
> artists who don't make their stories *exactly*
> like I do,
Hmmm... I did recently state that Van Horn is
"one of the best". I have previously stated
that I like the various artists like Paul Murry,
Floyd Gottfredson, etc. very much. I have also
staded that I like the Italian "Mickey Mouse
time travelling stories very well".
> or the fans who like variety and are not
> single-minded.
I think that "over-focused" may be a better word
than "single-minded" here.
> As regards Gemstone and PICSOU, I just had a
> long message from the editor of PICSOU about an
> hour ago, discussing his plans to have me do a
> new series of "pin-ups" and other projects.
That's great news for everybody here!
> Again, *regardless of Sigvald's assumption*,
> Pascal Pierrey is a huge Duckfan (and Rosa fan,
> if I may be allowed, just to contradict the
> assumption) and he has never left his position
> as editor of PICSOU. But a few years back he
> was given the extra duty of editing LE
> JOURNAL DE MICKEY as well, an increase in
> workload of about 500%, so he'd had no time to
> give certain matters close attention for those
> years. But now he's back to editing *only*
> PICSOU and we might get the show back on the
> road.
That is indeed great news!
But please, I did never assume that Pascal
Pierrey wasn't a great Duckfan or a fan of you
- I only assumed he was replaced by someone
else with an other attidude.
FABIO:
>>> I hope you are enjoying the remake of the
>>> blitzkrieg on Polland by CNN...
>
> Okay, hold it! Is this a joke? Are you trying
> to top Sigvald? I am not in favor of this whole
> mess into which the world has been pushed by
> that sub-grade moron who shouldn't even BE our
> president, as well as by wrong-headed European
> attitudes. However, to compare it to the Nazi
> blitzkrieg on Poland is crossing into even more
> outrageously idiotic comments. Obviously, NONE
> OF THIS is proper material for discussion in
> this ML!!! Please just DROP IT!!!
Agreed!
Sigvald :-)
> He is one of my biggest fans, and I get rather
> embarrassed! I was flabbergasted that he would
> seem to be implying, which someone might infer
> was based on private knowledge, that I had the
> absurd feeling for the French or for the editor
> of PICSOU that he described.
Well this shows how difficult communication via
the internet can be. It was not my intention at
all to draw any conclusions on you behalf. I
can now see that I should have dropped the
quess in h end of that posting. I am indeed
very sorry for this.
> But as outta-line as I thought he was, I saw
> nothing in his message to offend anyone but
> MOI.
Well, I can ensure you and everybody else here
that nothing there was written with the purpose
of offending anybody.
> I think I've done all I can to try to dissuade
> Sigvald from making these drastic assumptions
> or to constantly insult other writers and
> artists who don't make their stories *exactly*
> like I do,
Hmmm... I did recently state that Van Horn is
"one of the best". I have previously stated
that I like the various artists like Paul Murry,
Floyd Gottfredson, etc. very much. I have also
staded that I like the Italian "Mickey Mouse
time travelling stories very well".
> or the fans who like variety and are not
> single-minded.
I think that "over-focused" may be a better word
than "single-minded" here.
> As regards Gemstone and PICSOU, I just had a
> long message from the editor of PICSOU about an
> hour ago, discussing his plans to have me do a
> new series of "pin-ups" and other projects.
That's great news for everybody here!
> Again, *regardless of Sigvald's assumption*,
> Pascal Pierrey is a huge Duckfan (and Rosa fan,
> if I may be allowed, just to contradict the
> assumption) and he has never left his position
> as editor of PICSOU. But a few years back he
> was given the extra duty of editing LE
> JOURNAL DE MICKEY as well, an increase in
> workload of about 500%, so he'd had no time to
> give certain matters close attention for those
> years. But now he's back to editing *only*
> PICSOU and we might get the show back on the
> road.
That is indeed great news!
But please, I did never assume that Pascal
Pierrey wasn't a great Duckfan or a fan of you
- I only assumed he was replaced by someone
else with an other attidude.
FABIO:
>>> I hope you are enjoying the remake of the
>>> blitzkrieg on Polland by CNN...
>
> Okay, hold it! Is this a joke? Are you trying
> to top Sigvald? I am not in favor of this whole
> mess into which the world has been pushed by
> that sub-grade moron who shouldn't even BE our
> president, as well as by wrong-headed European
> attitudes. However, to compare it to the Nazi
> blitzkrieg on Poland is crossing into even more
> outrageously idiotic comments. Obviously, NONE
> OF THIS is proper material for discussion in
> this ML!!! Please just DROP IT!!!
Agreed!
Sigvald :-)
Timo Ronkainen
Other Artists
Message 247 -
2003-03-19 at 18:46:39
>From: Crocker, John:
>Personally I WANT read an Alan Moore story on the duck universe...
THAT would be weird story! :-) Alan is one of my non-Disney favorites, great
storyteller. But even if Gemstone people would like to make this kind of
stuff, *Disney* might disagree. Alan Moore script and Jeff Smith artwork!
:-)
On Elseworlds:
This is about "familiar heros in different times and places" (if I remember
the DC's emblem phrase correctly). Isn't this what Italian creators have
done in a way for years; ducks in history and strange places...
Timo
^^''*''^^
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>Personally I WANT read an Alan Moore story on the duck universe...
THAT would be weird story! :-) Alan is one of my non-Disney favorites, great
storyteller. But even if Gemstone people would like to make this kind of
stuff, *Disney* might disagree. Alan Moore script and Jeff Smith artwork!
:-)
On Elseworlds:
This is about "familiar heros in different times and places" (if I remember
the DC's emblem phrase correctly). Isn't this what Italian creators have
done in a way for years; ducks in history and strange places...
Timo
^^''*''^^
Cartoonist - writer - donaldist -
Timo Ronkainen ---------------- -
YO-kylä 52 A 26 --------------- -
20540 Turku ------------------- -
Finland ----------------------- -
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timoro at sunpoint.net
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Van Horn working for Gemstone
Message 248 -
2003-03-19 at 20:15:26
Dane wrote:
>
> Do you know if he'll be writing/drawing stories for Gemstone exclusively in
> the future? I remember really enjoying his DuckTales stories from the first
> run of Gladstone comics, so it would be great to see some more short
> adventure stories, as opposed to the short strictly-humorous ones.
>
> What I liked about his adventure stories was that they had the same "feel"
> as
> the strictly-comedic ones; they just took place in other locations than
> Duckburg. Barks and Rosa seem to shift between styles, depending on the
> style
> of story, while Van Horn combined everything into one.
>
> Of course, that didn't always work...
>
> Still, it would be great if Van Horn were to work for Gemstone exclusively!
>
>
Except for doing covers, Bill Van Horn is not working for Gemstone. At the
moment, as far as I know, Gemstone is not commissioning any new stories--just
covers. Even if Gemstone was, there really is no advantage to working
exclusively for any of the Disney licensees.
And as for your comments about Bill's old DuckTales stories, Bill wrote most
of them. But I wrote a few of them. So, on behalf of both Bill and myself,
thanks for the compliments. Glad you enjoyed them.
Best Wishes,
John Lustig
7218 27th Ave. N.E.
Seattle, WA 98115
www.lastkisscomics.com
(206) 525-6257
Fax 206 525-2386
>
> Do you know if he'll be writing/drawing stories for Gemstone exclusively in
> the future? I remember really enjoying his DuckTales stories from the first
> run of Gladstone comics, so it would be great to see some more short
> adventure stories, as opposed to the short strictly-humorous ones.
>
> What I liked about his adventure stories was that they had the same "feel"
> as
> the strictly-comedic ones; they just took place in other locations than
> Duckburg. Barks and Rosa seem to shift between styles, depending on the
> style
> of story, while Van Horn combined everything into one.
>
> Of course, that didn't always work...
>
> Still, it would be great if Van Horn were to work for Gemstone exclusively!
>
>
Except for doing covers, Bill Van Horn is not working for Gemstone. At the
moment, as far as I know, Gemstone is not commissioning any new stories--just
covers. Even if Gemstone was, there really is no advantage to working
exclusively for any of the Disney licensees.
And as for your comments about Bill's old DuckTales stories, Bill wrote most
of them. But I wrote a few of them. So, on behalf of both Bill and myself,
thanks for the compliments. Glad you enjoyed them.
Best Wishes,
John Lustig
7218 27th Ave. N.E.
Seattle, WA 98115
www.lastkisscomics.com
(206) 525-6257
Fax 206 525-2386
Magnus Bark (Farbror Skojskoj, En Av De Tjocka Farbröderna)
Don Rosa and Picsou [not about this subject anymore]
Message 249 -
2003-03-19 at 20:45:02
Quack;
It was my fault; I thought that I made a private reply to a friend.
Anyway, for the curious among you here is the Swedish text in
translation:
Our good friend Stefan Di?s (one of the founders of Nafs(k), the
Swedish Donaldist Society) has for a long time campaigned to make
Nafs(k) more silly. "It is of great importance to be silly"
And I fully endorse that, we must not take ourself or the Donaldism
too seriously.
/ Magnus Bark (Farbror Skojskoj, en av de tjocka farbr?derna)
Previous text:
>2003-03-19 15:24:
>Subject: RE: Don Rosa and Picsou [not about this subject anymore]
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>Why are some people quoting long passages when it is not necessary?
>
>--
>//Pekka Timonen (pati at iki.fi)
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dcml-bounces at stp.ling.uu.se [mailto:dcml-bounces at stp.ling.uu.se]On
>> Behalf Of Stefan Persson
>> Sent: 19. maaliskuuta 2003 16:07
>> To: Magnus Bark (Farbror Skojskoj, en av de tjocka farbr?derna) @ DCML
>> (-) Disney Comics Mailing List (import)
>> Cc: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>> Subject: Re: Don Rosa and Picsou
>>
>>
>> Why are some people sending messages in Swedish to DCML?
>>
>[long quote removed]
>
>_______________________________________________
>http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml
>
>
> / Brevb?raren
>
It was my fault; I thought that I made a private reply to a friend.
Anyway, for the curious among you here is the Swedish text in
translation:
Our good friend Stefan Di?s (one of the founders of Nafs(k), the
Swedish Donaldist Society) has for a long time campaigned to make
Nafs(k) more silly. "It is of great importance to be silly"
And I fully endorse that, we must not take ourself or the Donaldism
too seriously.
/ Magnus Bark (Farbror Skojskoj, en av de tjocka farbr?derna)
Previous text:
>2003-03-19 15:24:
>Subject: RE: Don Rosa and Picsou [not about this subject anymore]
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>Why are some people quoting long passages when it is not necessary?
>
>--
>//Pekka Timonen (pati at iki.fi)
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dcml-bounces at stp.ling.uu.se [mailto:dcml-bounces at stp.ling.uu.se]On
>> Behalf Of Stefan Persson
>> Sent: 19. maaliskuuta 2003 16:07
>> To: Magnus Bark (Farbror Skojskoj, en av de tjocka farbr?derna) @ DCML
>> (-) Disney Comics Mailing List (import)
>> Cc: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>> Subject: Re: Don Rosa and Picsou
>>
>>
>> Why are some people sending messages in Swedish to DCML?
>>
>[long quote removed]
>
>_______________________________________________
>http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml
>
>
> / Brevb?raren
>
Cord Wiljes
Fun
Message 250 -
2003-03-19 at 21:00:18
Magnus wrote:
> And I fully endorse that, we must not take ourself or the Donaldism
too seriously.
We must not take it too seriously. We should take it just as serious as
it is. Which means we cannot take it seriously enough. Because fun is
serious, of course. It would not be funny otherwise, would it?
Cord
> And I fully endorse that, we must not take ourself or the Donaldism
too seriously.
We must not take it too seriously. We should take it just as serious as
it is. Which means we cannot take it seriously enough. Because fun is
serious, of course. It would not be funny otherwise, would it?
Cord
Mateusz Lis
Tree & map
Message 251 -
2003-03-19 at 21:58:14
Gilles:
> Cool! What are the exact references of the album? Even if your
> version isn't complete, is it possible for you to provide scans?
I couldn't find any credits, but I think it is an Italian work.
Here are titles of this album in different languages: "That's Donald!", "?a
c'est Donald!", "lo Paperino!", "As? es Donald!", "S? o Donald", "Ach, ten
Donald"
I'll ask my friend if he can scan these three pages.
> About the DD tree, which one is it? Don Rosa's? or another one? Is
> it in this list :
> http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/maps/
I couldn't open this page.
.
> ? Is it a new one?
You don't have this tree on your website.
This tree (and a map also) was published only in this album, I think.
It's quite similar to Van Horn's tree (ducks are sitting on the branches).
best wishes,
lis
> Cool! What are the exact references of the album? Even if your
> version isn't complete, is it possible for you to provide scans?
I couldn't find any credits, but I think it is an Italian work.
Here are titles of this album in different languages: "That's Donald!", "?a
c'est Donald!", "lo Paperino!", "As? es Donald!", "S? o Donald", "Ach, ten
Donald"
I'll ask my friend if he can scan these three pages.
> About the DD tree, which one is it? Don Rosa's? or another one? Is
> it in this list :
> http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/maps/
I couldn't open this page.
.
> ? Is it a new one?
You don't have this tree on your website.
This tree (and a map also) was published only in this album, I think.
It's quite similar to Van Horn's tree (ducks are sitting on the branches).
best wishes,
lis
Fabio Blanco
Drop it!!! (yeah, sure)
Message 252 -
2003-03-19 at 23:07:43
-------
Dear Don:
my comment, of course was a cynical one. I can't believe
that ignorant of Bush are assuming the title of emperor of world, and really
really, I think is a new Hitler... sorry if the blitzkrieg is not a good
history fact to compare...
I think that if USA is that lot of thing they talk in the movies, Bush would
be destitued or shooting by Christopher Walken (LOL)...
You need a trekkie president who could believe in the Prime Directive...
without many hopes,
FABIO
bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar
>
> > I hope you are enjoying the remake of the blitzkrieg on Polland by
CNN...
>
> Okay, hold it! Is this a joke? Are you trying to top Sigvald?
> I am not in favor of this whole mess into which the world has been pushed
by
> that sub-grade moron who shouldn't even BE our president, as well as by
> wrong-headed European attitudes. However, to compare it to the Nazi
> blitzkrieg on Poland is crossing into even more outrageously idiotic
> comments. Obviously, NONE OF THIS is proper material for discussion in
this
> ML!!! Please just DROP IT!!!
Dear Don:
my comment, of course was a cynical one. I can't believe
that ignorant of Bush are assuming the title of emperor of world, and really
really, I think is a new Hitler... sorry if the blitzkrieg is not a good
history fact to compare...
I think that if USA is that lot of thing they talk in the movies, Bush would
be destitued or shooting by Christopher Walken (LOL)...
You need a trekkie president who could believe in the Prime Directive...
without many hopes,
FABIO
bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar
>
> > I hope you are enjoying the remake of the blitzkrieg on Polland by
CNN...
>
> Okay, hold it! Is this a joke? Are you trying to top Sigvald?
> I am not in favor of this whole mess into which the world has been pushed
by
> that sub-grade moron who shouldn't even BE our president, as well as by
> wrong-headed European attitudes. However, to compare it to the Nazi
> blitzkrieg on Poland is crossing into even more outrageously idiotic
> comments. Obviously, NONE OF THIS is proper material for discussion in
this
> ML!!! Please just DROP IT!!!
Goofy313g
Album (was tree and map)
Message 253 -
2003-03-19 at 23:50:28
>>>Here are titles of this album in different languages: ...
does that mean it has been published in other countries? I remember about a "that's donald" series of marketing products, but it was a long time ago (probably 1994, donald's birthday)
>>>I'll ask my friend if he can scan these three pages.
that'd be great, thanks a lot!
>>>I couldn't open this page.
It was amistake, i meant :
http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/trees/
(my maps section main page is unavailable until next update)
Best regards,
Gilles
does that mean it has been published in other countries? I remember about a "that's donald" series of marketing products, but it was a long time ago (probably 1994, donald's birthday)
>>>I'll ask my friend if he can scan these three pages.
that'd be great, thanks a lot!
>>>I couldn't open this page.
It was amistake, i meant :
http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/trees/
(my maps section main page is unavailable until next update)
Best regards,
Gilles
Dan Rosenberg
Drop it!!! (yeah, sure)
Message 254 -
2003-03-20 at 00:24:10
Fabio wrote:
Re: Dear Don:
Re: my comment, of course was a cynical one. I can't believe
Re: that ignorant of Bush are assuming the title of emperor of world, and really
Re: really, I think is a new Hitler... sorry if the blitzkrieg is not a good
Re: history fact to compare...
Re:
Re: I think that if USA is that lot of thing they talk in the movies, Bush would
Re: be destitued or shooting by Christopher Walken (LOL)...
Re: You need a trekkie president who could believe in the Prime Directive...
Re:
Re: without many hopes,
Re: FABIO
Yes! I would vote for Jean-Luc Picard in a heartbeat. He could be our first French president (oops, pardon me...er, our first "freedom" president). As for "dropping it," I'm afraid that's the problem. We're dropping too much?bombs that is. The question on my mind: Who would Scrooge invade? Every generation has its Brutopia.
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Re: Dear Don:
Re: my comment, of course was a cynical one. I can't believe
Re: that ignorant of Bush are assuming the title of emperor of world, and really
Re: really, I think is a new Hitler... sorry if the blitzkrieg is not a good
Re: history fact to compare...
Re:
Re: I think that if USA is that lot of thing they talk in the movies, Bush would
Re: be destitued or shooting by Christopher Walken (LOL)...
Re: You need a trekkie president who could believe in the Prime Directive...
Re:
Re: without many hopes,
Re: FABIO
Yes! I would vote for Jean-Luc Picard in a heartbeat. He could be our first French president (oops, pardon me...er, our first "freedom" president). As for "dropping it," I'm afraid that's the problem. We're dropping too much?bombs that is. The question on my mind: Who would Scrooge invade? Every generation has its Brutopia.
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Gary Leach's comments
Message 255 -
2003-03-20 at 01:37:00
Gary Leach wrote:
>To pinpoint one creator as his successor is to
>drastically diminish the sheer grandeur of the inheritance he left, and
>from which so many have taken their portion - and, in some cases,
>produced triumphs of their own.
I think that was very well said Gary! You have an elegant way of making
your point -
Sonia Dyer
>To pinpoint one creator as his successor is to
>drastically diminish the sheer grandeur of the inheritance he left, and
>from which so many have taken their portion - and, in some cases,
>produced triumphs of their own.
I think that was very well said Gary! You have an elegant way of making
your point -
Sonia Dyer