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Francesco Spreafico
On Saturday, March 22, 2003 7:38 PM Stefan Persson wrote:

> If anyone wonders: this is the third Italian PK series.

Poor Brazilians, my sympathies to them.

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Francesco
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Stefan Persson
Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr. wrote:

>Stefan Persson wrote:
>
>
>>>My guess is that it's "King Scrooge Ist"
>>>in where Scrooge and his nephews goes to
>>>a place called Sagbad.
>>>
>>>
>>Isn't that just the Norwegian title of Rosa's
>>His Majesty, McDuck?
>>
>>
>
>No that's "Kong Skrue av Skruerike".
>
Ah, I was thinking of the Danish title.

Stefan
Lgiver
Cord Wiljes called our attention to a book by Carsten Laqua,
"Wie Micky unter die Nazis" (no English translation available).
Wow, there must be very few Americans who know that
Disney characters were already out of this country prior to
and during the second world war; certainly I didn't. We
Americans are familiar with the Disney war-time cartoons
where Donald and/or Mickey triumphed over the bumbling
Japanese or German adversaries. So are you saying the
Nazis made similar use of Disney characters? It would be
great if someone interested in this history could translate
this book into English!
One question: Did the Disney company manage
to collect copyright royalties from the Nazis government?
Or maybe they didn't really use Mickey, but that European
prince that looked just like him that Mickey had to
fill in for a few months back in the 1930's.
Best wishes, Larry Giver.
Timo Ronkainen
>From: lgiver at postoffice.pacbell.net
>Cord Wiljes called our attention to a book by Carsten Laqua,
>"Wie Micky unter die Nazis" (no English translation available).
>One question: Did the Disney company manage
>to collect copyright royalties from the Nazis government?

There is an article about this subject by Carsten Laqua in Comics Journal
135 (1990). It says among other things: "After 1935 no new Disney films
legally crossed the border into Germany. In 1937 Roy Disney visited Berlin
in an attempt to extract some of the Disney money frozen by the bankruptcy,
but had no luck."
- Micky Maus - Disney Films In Hitler's Germany - Carsten Lagua.

Timo

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Cord Wiljes
About the book "Wie Micky unter die Nazis fiel" ("How Mickey fell under
the Nazis") by Carsten Laqua (ISBN 3499191040, published in 1992):

Larry Giver wrote:

> Cord Wiljes called our attention to a book by Carsten Laqua,
> "Wie Micky unter die Nazis fiel" (no English translation available).
> Wow, there must be very few Americans who know that
> Disney characters were already out of this country prior to
> and during the second world war; certainly I didn't.
> We Americans are familiar with the Disney war-time cartoons
> where Donald and/or Mickey triumphed over the bumbling
> Japanese or German adversaries. So are you saying the
> Nazis made similar use of Disney characters?

No, they did not make their own Disney films (or films with Disney
characters) but just showed those produced by the Disney studios in the
U.S.

> It would be great if someone interested in this history could
> translate this book into English!

I forwarded your request to the author of the book. Just some dates in
advance:

- in 1927, one year before (!) Mickey's birth, "Trolley Troubles" (a
Silly Symphony) was the first Disney film which was imported into
Germany
- in 1928 all 25 Oswald films and several Alice films were imported
- in 1929 Mickey Mouse tin toys were produced by a German company
(unlicensed)
- in 1930 the first Mickey Mouse features were imported (The Barnyard
Dance, Steamboat Willie)
- until 1935 a lot of Disney films were imported
- after 1935 no more licences were give to Germany. The old films were
still shown (mostly illegally)
- in 1936 the Nazis started to forbid sending money abroad so Disney had
problems getting their royalties. In the end they lost around 250.000
Reichsmark of royalties.
- On Dec 22 of 1937 Joseph Goebbels wrote into his diary: "I will give
30 films of the last 4 years und 18 Mickey Mouse films to the F?hrer for
christmas. He is happy about this treasure which hopefully will give him
much fun and recreation."
- in 1938 (according to her memoirs) Leni Riefenstahl visited Walt
Disney. Disney wanted to but could not see her Olympia film because he
feared that this might get public
- even after the start of WW II in 1939 Disney films were shown in
German cinemas
- in February 1940 a translated (!) copy of Snow White was added the the
Reichsfilm archive - but never shown publicly
- 1941 to 1945 Disney films were forbidden

> One question: Did the Disney company manage
> to collect copyright royalties from the Nazis government?

Not from the Nazi government but from the "Bavaria", which is the
company which distributed the films in Germany. There were also several
licensed (and some unlicensed) Mickey toys produced in Germany.

> Or maybe they didn't really use Mickey, but that European
> prince that looked just like him that Mickey had to
> fill in for a few months back in the 1930's.

Since the Nazis were anti-royal they probably liked the idea of a
working-class Mickey better than Mickey as Monarch of Medioka.

The book is highly recommended and has a lot of images. If you are
interested in the topic you can order a copy directly from the author's
site for EUR 8,- + postage:
http://www.comicoriginalart.com/seiten_englisch/eframeset.htm

Cord
Deanmary
Below is a link to some ways Gemstone is getting publicity and how happy
they are with the orders for the Donald Duck comic book for Free Comic
Book Day.

http://scoop.diamondgalleries.com/scoop_article.asp?ai=2208&si=121

Dean Rekich
Cord Wiljes
I wrote:

> About the book "Wie Micky unter die Nazis fiel" ("How Mickey
> fell under the Nazis")

I just noticed that I translated the title incorrectly. It should read
"How Mickey fell _among_ the Nazis"
Lars Jensen
Cord Wiljes wrote:

> in 1927, one year before (!) Mickey's birth, "Trolley Troubles" (a
> Silly Symphony) was the first Disney film which was imported into
> Germany

"Trolley Troubles" is an Oswald the Lucky Rabbit cartoon. (The first one
to be released, actually.) Silly Symphonies didn't start until 1929.

> in 1928 all 25 Oswald films and several Alice films were imported

Disney made 26 Oswald cartoons.

> in 1930 the first Mickey Mouse features were imported (The Barnyard
> Dance, Steamboat Willie)

"The Barnyard Dance" doesn't exist. You're probably thinking of either
"The Barn Dance", "The Barnyard Battle" or "The Barnyard Concert".

Lars
Luca Boschi
Hello to All of you!

Very interesting (and "CIAO" to Carsten)!

> - in 1927, one year before (!) Mickey's birth, "Trolley Troubles" (a
> Silly Symphony) was the first Disney film which was imported into
> Germany

Well... This a (small) mistake, because the Silly Symphonies line of toons
was created only in 1929 (after Mickey's birth), starting with "The Skeleton
Dance".

> - 1941 to 1945 Disney films were forbidden

And also the comics, indeed?
So, when do the first MM story/strip was published in Germany, in newspapers
or magazines?

Thank you in advance.

Luca
Cord Wiljes
Lars Jensen and Luca Boschi corrected some mistakes I made in citing
from Carsten Laqua's book "Wie Micky unter die Nazis fiel". The errors
were mine - not the author's.

Maybe Carsten Laqua can allow us to scan his article in the Comics
Journal 130, which Timo Ronkainen mentioned?

Cord
Timo Ronkainen
>The book is highly recommended and has a lot of images. If you are
>interested in the topic you can order a copy directly from the author's
>site for EUR 8,- + postage:
>http://www.comicoriginalart.com/seiten_englisch/eframeset.htm

Cord: Thanks for the interesting facts (some of them were not included in
the TCJ article). 8 EUR is not too much, alas, I cannot read the book, so I
have to think it properly. Thanks for the link also. So much wonderful
things I cannot afford! :-)

Timo

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Goofy313g
Blasco:
>>>The map I had prepared for that purpose has been
>>>published last week in a Panini Stickers album.

Cord:
>>>you can order an album with a complete set of stickers
>>>here:...

The only available "Io Paperino" album available on the site is from 1994, while Blasco told his map was published in an album published "last week" (around March 10) in Italia. So there must be two albums, and the second one, from 2003, seems to have no entries yet in the panini website... Anyway, I think I'll order the 1994 one, which seems to countain a map (not by Blasco,this one, if I understand), and a family tree, and the 2003 (which countains Blasco's new map and maybe a family tree?) one as soon as it's available. We don't know the title of the 2003 album (yet). Or maybe I didn't search well or I made a mistake...

wait... I just found on the same site that there was a new album, "ALBUM DI TOPOLINO - MICKEY & DONALD", out on March, 5th, so it must be the one.

So there are two albums, and I want both of them!!!
Please tell me if I understood something wrong.

Gilles
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Cord Wiljes <cord at wiljes.de>

> - in 1927, one year before (!) Mickey's birth,
> "Trolley Troubles" (a Silly Symphony) was the
> first Disney film which
> was imported into Germany
> - in 1928 all 25 Oswald films and several Alice
> films were imported
> - in 1929 Mickey Mouse tin toys were produced
> by a German company
> (unlicensed)
> - in 1930 the first Mickey Mouse features were
> imported (The Barnyard
> Dance, Steamboat Willie)
> - until 1935 a lot of Disney films were imported
> - after 1935 no more licences were give to
> Germany. The old films were
> still shown (mostly illegally)
> - in 1936 the Nazis started to forbid sending
> money abroad so Disney had
> problems getting their royalties. In the end
> they lost around 250.000
> Reichsmark of royalties.
> - On Dec 22 of 1937 Joseph Goebbels wrote into
> his diary: "I will give 30 films of the last 4
> years und 18 Mickey Mouse films to the F?hrer
> for christmas. He is happy about this treasure
> which hopefully will give him much fun and
> recreation."
> - in 1938 (according to her memoirs) Leni
> Riefenstahl visited Walt
> Disney. Disney wanted to but could not see her
> Olympia film because he
> feared that this might get public
> - even after the start of WW II in 1939 Disney
> films were shown in
> German cinemas
> - in February 1940 a translated (!) copy of
> Snow White was added the the Reichsfilm
> archive - but never shown publicly
> - 1941 to 1945 Disney films were forbidden

Aha! So there may be a historical reasons why the German Weekly, unlike it's
Scandinavian counterparts, is named "Mickey Mouse" in stead of "Donald
Duck"?

Sigvald :-)
Francesco Gerbaldo
<Goofy313g at aol.com>
> The only available "Io Paperino" album available on the site is from 1994,
while Blasco told his map was published in an album published "last week"
(around March 10) in Italia. So there must be two albums, and the second
one, from 2003,
seems to have no entries yet in the panini website... Anyway, I think I'll
order the 1994 one, which seems to countain a map
(not by Blasco,this one, if I understand), and a family tree, and the 2003
(which countains Blasco's new map and maybe a
family tree?) one as soon as it's available. We don't know the title of the
2003 album (yet). Or maybe I didn't search well or I made a mistake...

The family tree that is reprinted in new stickers album is drawn from Don
Rosa.
The map of Duckburg, Mouseville and house of Duck came from Topolino that
printed tuem.
There are also same new illustrations that I don't think caming Blasco
Pisapia but caming from Massimiliano Narciso, Salvatore Deiana (a big artist
that I like it), Roberto Ronchi, Stefano De Lellis and Luca Bonardo.

> wait... I just found on the same site that there was a new album, "ALBUM
DI TOPOLINO - MICKEY & DONALD", >out on March, 5th, so it must be the one.
> So there are two albums, and I want both of them!!!

Yes there are 2 albums but I think that in september also "Mickey & Donald"
you can buy it in Panini's website.

But I think antother thing: this album will came also foreign Italy, or not?

Excuse me for my bad bad bad english!
--
Ciao,
Francesco
Cord Wiljes
Luca Boschi wrote:

> So, when do the first MM story/strip was published in
> Germany, in newspapers
> or magazines?

The first German Disney Comic was called "Micky Maus Zeitung" (=Mickey
Mouse Newspaper) and was published in Swiss in 1936 by the publisher
Bollmann who had previously published some Mickey fold-out books. The
covers came from the British Mickey Mouse Weekly and the issues
contained U.S. sundays with Mickey and Donald. 18 issues were printed.

In the first issue readers were asked to name the Disney characters. For
Donald Duck the name "Schnatterich" (=Quacker) was chosen.

The story behind the publication of the Micky Maus Zeitung is rather
interesting: Disney had money from license fees in Italy, which they
were not allowed to transfer abroad. So they used it to pay Mondadori to
print the Micky Maus Zeitung, sold it in Swiss and trensferred the money
from Swiss to the U.S.

The issues were not distributed in Germany, though. So the first German
Disney comic is the first issue of "Micky Maus" from 1951.

Cord
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