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internet. I do not have any connection with the sellers or the sites.
If you've seen items I must have missed or other sites with rare/original/
unpublished Barks items, then I hope you will post it to the list as well.

Descriptions are by the sellers.

Item at Ebay:
1132999076
CARL BARKS DISNEY ANIMATION DRAWING
Seller: "This is a hand-drawn and signed original done by Carl Barks.
It's on 12 x 5 1/2 vellum paper and Daisy Duck, drawn in red pencil
is 5 in. tall. I purchased this from the Carl Barks Gallery.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1132999076

Best wishes,

--- Daniel

"I knew it! I knew it! They'll ROB me! I'll be a POOR old duck!"
(Which one?) :-)

...I'm certainly amused to know that Duck fans can
argue , just like Marvel fans , say , about
ultra-pedantic details !
Re Gold coins - " yeah , what he said " . Actually ,
if I recall correctly , the U.S. gold coins were
delcared no longer legal tender sometime early in
Franklin D. Roosevelt's Presidency
- just as he passed a law that made ownership of pure
gold , for investment purposes , illegal (
Collectibles/art - and technical purposes - were okay
. ) . It remained U.S. law through the late Sixties ,
if I recall correctly . That wouldn't conflict with
40s Americans having an old gold piece or three
as a souviner(sic!)/item...quite the opposite !
Barks was no F.D.R. fan . politically speaking , I
would assume , and , if I wanted to start some
deviltry , I might suggest that he put gold in as an "
anti-F.D.R./liberalism " thing - but , for heaven's
sakes , he was just writing ( & drawing ) stories for
kids ! Just like the details of the Batcave ( for
example ) changed...We fans argue about things like
this . And ain't it fun ? ( sort of )
Interesting to hear about Euro-differences in
locating the Disney universe in Europe or the U.S. , &
money signs/coloring thereof and internal differences
within the D.U....Personally , I'd tend to think of (
" normal " ) Disney stories as automatically taking
place in the U.S....Where else ? After all , aren't
all things Disney the very symbol of "
Coca-Colinization(sic!) " to those who greatly rail
against it ? Chauvinistic American or no...

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Hello everyone!

Don Rosa:
>>I was always very careful to never refer to it in my script as
>>"the land of the dead". I don't even recall if that was my implied intention --

In the French version (PM 344, Sept 2000), p 13 panel 7, V?in?m?inen
clearly tells the ducks that
"Louhi still lives but is sound asleep
In the shadows of the underworld.
To Tuonela you must go".
She's *alive*, so it's clearly not "the land of the dead" (or ot would have to be
"the land of the living dead"...)

Then (p 14 panel 3) they reach "the land of the sleepers".
And then again (p 15) there's this joke about Donald being highly respected
in the realm of the sleepers".

But--
at the top of this same page (15, panel 2) Donald won't go any further because
that's "the threshold of death"!
The descriptive paragraph at the top of panel 3 p 14 reads:
"The phantom [?] drakkar sails through the every denser mists to this *last*
harbor no sailor is in a rush to dock at".

And as Harry pointed out, the gatekeeper *is* a skeleton.
Also, I think any reference to an underworld, with a cave for entrance, (and which
you sail to) calls up to mind Hades' kingdom of the dead.
And there's donald's own little joke which Harry mentioned as well.

So it really looks like "the land of the dead", even though Louhi and the others
are shown and clearly said to be merely asleep-- but then, "sleep" is a euphemism
for "death". The references to death (intended or not) seem to prevail ultimately.

Anders:
I can't find the message (it was about "The Coin") in which you made a comment
about the font. PM uses a terrible font that looks like a very shaky handwriting.
If there's anyone in touch with Picsou Magazine reading this: please change the font!
(Thanks)

Don Rosa:
>>So I thought it might seem like an interesting idea that the Bin contained,
>>as you say, the money he made *by himself* before his business ventures
>>became so complex as to require armies of assistants.
Mike:
>>he's got lots of bank accounts with huge amounts of money, and
>>that he would spend.

Problem: where does it stop & start?
I totally agree with the purely sentimental value of the money in the bin
and the fact that the money invested is just money he made "indirectly".
So for Scrooge, money falls in two categories:
a/ the-money-I-earned-myself-working-hard-and-which-I'll-never-ever-part-with
b/ the-money-I-have-in-several-banks-and-use-for-investments-and-come-and-goes-
and-has-no-sentimental-value-whatsoever
We know about the first item from category A (the first dime).
Now, what about the first item that started category B?
I mean, for B to exist, there has to be some point when Scrooge actually parted with
money from category A.
So what's the story of Old Number B?
Maybe it was money he did not earn but found and invested.
There's this bank in Whitehorse also.
Don Rosa showed Scrooge's first sentimental attachment to a coin in L&T chapter 2.
At this point and for a long time and just out of necessity, he could not hoard all of his
money, and had to use some of it for various and sundry expenses.
So: how did A and B come to be? At what point and how did Scrooge sort his money
and decided that this would be A and this would be B?
Maybe that's just it: maybe at one point he decided he'd only keep the money linked
to his adventures around the globe and use the more recent money for investments,
and there was no clear-cut transition.
Which means that some coins he (would have) valued (A category) "accidentally"
became B-- that is, he may have realized it too late.

Kriton:
>>The introduction to the Captain Kentucky volume points out that in episode 84
>>there is a picture of Uncle Scrooge hanging on a wall in one of the panels.
Actually there are (so far in my reading) two (*much*) earlier visual references to
Uncle Scrooge, but I won't spoil your fun by telling you where.

Olivier

From: "Don Rosa" <donrosa at iglou.com>
>>>We must assume, if $crooge made his first big break in the Yukon in
1898,
that he had none of the money left that he made in the 1900's,

Whoa! What a bonehead goof! I mean *1800's*!!! *19th* Century! This
switching over to a new millenium as we just did keeps confusing me. I hope
I'll have the hang of it by the next time.

From: "Olivier" <mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr>
>>>Then (p 14 panel 3) they reach "the land of the sleepers".
And then again (p 15) there's this joke about Donald being highly respected
in the realm of the sleepers".
at the top of this same page (15, panel 2) Donald won't go any further
because
that's "the threshold of death"!

...and Harry and Olivier point out other aspects and quotes. Of course,
this *was* the Land of the Dead, and even if I wasn't absotively sure that
that's exactly what it was in the Kalevala, that's what I was making it
seem. I made it clear that the "residents" were alive but frozen and asleep
in ice blocks. But still, it was intended to be clear to the older readers
just what was goin' on. What I was asking Harry was if the Dutch translator
had removed all my "sleeper" references and actually used the word "dead".

From: "Fluks, H.W." <H.W.Fluks at kpn.com>
>>>Funny thing is, that the coin from Don's "The Coin" story falls in BOTH
categories!

This discussion is almost too "fanboy" even for me (but not quite!!!).
Yeah, $crooge is not adverse to scooping a few coins out of the Bin to buy
something, but most of his business is run using bank money. Otherwise
there would be a steamshovel scooping money out a window on one side of the
Bin 24 hours a day, and a chute pouring it in one the other side as well...
like a filter on a tropical fish tank, recirculating the entire volume
about once a week. That would be very noisy and irritating, and a big
security risk, I should think!

Regarding my statement about the existence of gold coins in ordinary
peoples' possession:
That statement was only intended to show that they were not nearly as rare
as 10000 Dollar bills. I have never known anyone who has even SEEN one of
the latter. The gold coins I spoke of were keepsakes sometimes kept on
their persons (usually adult males only), or often kept in a drawer in
their house, and the others kept in a jar on a shelf (also keepsakes), or a
collector's coin book. I am sure that as a visitor (only)to entrepeneurial
(shopkeepers) Jewish middle class families, and meeting only their friends
and a few neighbours, I did not see an accurate sampling of the American
public. However, i did not mean to imply that EVERY or MOST families in
USA had gold coins in their possession - only that they were not rare as
Hens' Teeth. None of these people freely spent these coins in circulation
(as by post World War II) these coins were already worth more than their
official minted coin denominational value, as collector's pieces. I
suspect that may have been true from the 1930s.

I did not mean to imply that a large, or even significant percentage of
circulated coins in USA were gold. I suspect that such a scenario NEVER
was true (even in the 1800s heydey of USA gold coins).

I believe that Scrooge would have had an admixture of silver, copper and
coloured coins, with silver forming the majority and the others as small
amounts. Scrooge was so rich that he would have had many, many gold coins,
as they stored much value (and I think he preferred coins to bills). But,
the bulk of his coins in his money bin should be coloured silver. In the
countries that started colouring them gold from the start, they should
continue to do so, so as to keep the continuity. I grew up seeing BOTH
versions, and had NO problem adjusting to it.

Cheers, Rob Klein

> What I was asking Harry was if the
> Dutch translator
> had removed all my "sleeper" references and actually used the
> word "dead".
Let me answer for Harry, here are some facts, SPOILER ahead?:

On page 14, panel in the lowest left corner: "Wie nadert daar het slapersrijk? / Zijt gij dood of soortgelijk?"
This could be translated as: "Who approaches the realm of sleepers? / Are you death or similar?"

On page 14, panel in the lowest right corner: "Luister en huiver, tovenaar / Ik ben Tuoni, de doden-eigenaar!"
This could be translated as: "Listen and shudder, magician / I am Tuoni, the owner of the deceased!"

And on page 17 panel 3 as Donald and Scrooge are flee from Louhi the upper word balloon "Hallo! Hee, levenden / Kan het wat minder?"
This could be translated as: "Hello, Hey, alive ones / Could you calm down a bit?"

Although the last example isn't using death it clearly refers to death too IMO...

Now back to lurking mode...

-- Roy
http://mars.spaceports.com/~ddossier

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I have heard many times certain areas of Amsterdam described as the
"Underworld". (8-)
- Een Haagse Jongen

I have decided to take part in this debate - the
Duckburg/Mouseton/Mousewille-debate.

In Norway, the city which $crooge, Donald, Daisy, Gladstone etc. live in is
referred to as "Andeby" (Duckburg).
The city which Mickey, Minnie & Goofy live in is also referred to as
"Andeby" (Duckburg).

Still, I'm thinking: is this the same city?

My answer is NO. This is two different cities with the same name. The name
"Mouseton" is translated to "Andeby" in Norwegian by a mistake - and the
same mistake is done in most other European countries, I guess.

Except from that one poster where we can see a map with Donald's and
Mickey's houses on, I have found nothing that can prove that the figures
live in the same town. Every time Donald and Mickey meet in a story, it
seems like "long time no see"... (maybe except from the story by Pat & Carol
McGreal about the millennium) Therefor, it seems for me very likely that the
"Andeby" Mickey lives in, is a quite different city than the "Andeby" we
know as Duckburg. (another example; have you ever seen in a Mickey story the
Money Bin og the Cornelius Coot-monument? Those are great landmarks of the
Duckburg I know and should show in at least a few storys!)

But; Mickey Mouse does not exist! Mickey Mouse is a made up character! I
know many will argue me in that, but to me, Mickey Mouse does not exist.
Mickey Mouse appears in the cartoons/comic books read by
Donald/HDL/Gladstone/any duck and is therefor a made up character. Which
lives in the imaginary world of Mouseton, which by a mistake is translated
into "Duckburg" in Europe. Was I clear enough?
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