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Hello everyone!

Daniel:
>>Again, it just depends on what one decides to believe. For me, personally,
>>Uncle Scrooge is still alive today.

I never really thought about it. Don Rosa's "real-life" approach is fine.
But somehow I rather not think about the Duck's (or the Mouse's) death.
Sure, they risk trheir lives in many adventures. But thinking that Scrooge
is dead-- or that HDL have grown up and married...
It's probably due to some kind of sentimental attachment to the characters
as we know them-- or some problem with the notion of death?

On the other hand, I like the idea of their living in a '50s world, with '50s technology.
Another thing: HDL have grown up in a sense, from the mischievous kids of Taliaferro
to the still-mischievous-but-a-bit-less-so boys of Barks to the responsible
Junior Woodchucks. But they are never shown actually growing up.
As far as I know, only Donald and Scrooge have been depicted younger.

Since they live in another multiverse (yes, I like this idea) (there are countries that do
not exist in ours and most people are dog-nosed), maybe people over there don't age
as fast as we do, so that U$ may still be alive and HDL appear to have the same age.

I know, if you try to work out the equivalence mathetically using such references as the
Klondike Gold Rush, there may be a discrepancy; and in 100 years it won't work.
Ah well...

Wishing you a nice weel-end,

Olivier

ARI (Hi!):
>S?ren:
>> Really? The fact that they do act rude sometimes give them more
>> personality and they appear less polished as is the case nowadays.
> True. Although, I remember really *hating* these stories as a child,
> Scrooge was always so mean. Luckily, there was also Paperinik-stories
> where Donald had his revenge.

This is exactly why I like these old Paperinik-stories. Donald dresses as
Paperinik to get advantage to himself: bugging Gladstone, Scrooge and
Rockerduck, getting his debts erased. Then he transformed to to a regular
hero (with nice weapons though) who tries to protect Duckburg. One of the
best examples of this is Il doppio trionfo di Paperinik (I TL 822-A)
where Donald steals a jewel from Rockerduck so he wouldn't have to spend
time with Scrooge. When Scrooge is caught with the stolen object, DD again
helps Scrooge by stealing it and making fun of Rockerduck. The story ends
with everybody agreeing that Rockerduck who was the lawful owner of the
jewel isn't worth it and going to release Scrooge from jail. And everyone
thinks justice is done. This story goes a bit too far even for me.

> (Oh, these stories really raise anger in children. They are awfully
> harmful, clearly encourage violence, and should therefore be banned!
> :-) )
Yes, I have grown to be a violent psychopat because of these stories. Now
where were my little pink pills? :-)

Harry:
> When I get the chance, I'll read I TL 270-A (maybe in German or so), and
> see if I get that overwhelming feeling you are talking about... 8-)

Heh, probably an overwhelming feeling of something else than what I had.
DD and US are really mean in this story, _really_ mean. But you better
read it yourself.

TIMO:
>Petri:
>> Who wouldn't? :-) BTW. When are we going to see these celebration
>> stories in print? I can hardly wait.
> First one in Finland was just printed in Aku Ankka (17). It was
> Ferioli's Gladstone Gander -story. I think it was great. Surprisingly
> great. He did the script himself, and it was quite barksian story. It
> had couple of references to old Barks-stories and to at least one
> money bin -painting. Wonderful. And he drew ducks quite well.

Yes, I noticed as I came at my parents for the weekend (Aku Ankka comes
here). A very nice story indeed, both story and art. Hope we see more of
Feriolis ducks in the future.

--
Petri Kanninen (pkannine at cc.hut.fi)
"El?m? muodostaa komplekseja."
Aku Ankan taskukirja -tietokanta:
http://www.perunamaa.net/taskarit/

Olaf Solstrand:

My theory is completely different. Mine is that Donald, Daisy, Scrooge, et
al. live in a world where time does not work in a way that we would find
comprehensible. Instead of living through years with numbers on them, they
currently exist in a time known as "now", have in the past existed in times
now known as "last year", "a few years ago" etc., and will in the future
exist in years currently referred to as "a couple of years from now",
"someday" and suchlike. Aging and death have occurred, but only "a long time
ago" -- unless a character aging is a story point, in which case I don't
even blink an eye at selective aging.

That's how I write stories about established characters that don't change
much from year to year, anyway. Of course, I enjoy Don Rosa's perpetual
1950s, too (tho I'd have trouble writing it), and you're perfectly free to
extrapolate into the present from his scenario. But this is the way I like
to do them, and the way I like to think about them; and of course, one of
the strengths of these characters is that nobody is bound by the way another
person handles them.

Quack, Don

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>>Petri:
>> Oh heck, I totally forgot the Dutch stories. Sorry! I like
>> them. When they started to print them in the weekly, I was just
>> ecstatic. They brought that something new that I had missed for
>> so long. The great thing is that they started to publish a
>> supplement to Aku Ankka (Kuukauden sarjisekstra) that nowadays
>> contains Dutch stories and occasionally a short Gottfredson
>> story. Most of these stories haven't been published anywhere but
>> in Holland and Finland (according to Inducks), so we in Finland
>> are at great position with Dutch stories.
>>
>
> And covers, apparently! Clearly, the Finnish editors are more
> independent of Egmont than the other Nordic countries. But even
> the other countries published a lot of Dutch stories in the past
> few years.
>
> --Harry.
>

Yep. 213 covers from Holland have been published in Finland since
1998 - however some 40 of them have been redrawned covers from
Egmont and from Western (including 13 redrawn Barks -covers).

That mentioned "supplement to Aku Ankka" (monthly based 32 -pager)
seems to get it's material directly from Holland: Since May 2000
all stories in it have been seen in Dutch weekly during last four
years - not only Dutch stories but all Sunday stories as well too.
Even so that the Brer Rabbit -sunday story in issue AAX2000-08 is
the only Brer Rabbit -sunday story published in Dutch weekly in
last eight years.

Somehow the amount of published Dutch stories in Finnish weekly Aku
Ankka has "not significantly" increased during last years. Mostly
the very same stories are seen also in other Egmont countries like
in Sweden and in Denmark.

This "table" below shows the amounts of pages and the amount of
stories published in Finnish weekly 1990/1 - 2000/52 by their main
producing sources:

------ D Denmark - H Holland - W Western
1990: 1324 (172) - 16 (3) - 137 (11)
1991: 1353 (168) - 40 (4) - 167 (19)
1992: 1388 (178) - 52 (7) - 102 (13)
1993: 1380 (170) - 73 (14) - 95 (15)
1994: 1263 (171) - 122 (18) - 177 (17)
1995: 1335 (156) - 90 (12) - 160 (17)
1996: 1384 (148) - 27 (6) - 145 (13)
1997: 1444 (177) - 54 (10) - 154 (18)
1998: 1417 (184) - 40 (4) - 139 (30)
1999: 1435 (165) - 128 (24) - 50 (6)
2000: 1230 (147) - 204 (30) - 111 (10)

1st column is indicating the year,
2nd column is indicating pages and (stories) from Denmark (EGMONT)
3rd column -"- from Holland (OBERON, Disney Holland)
4th column -"- from USA (Western)
For example:
In 1990 the Finnish weekly published (the 1st row):
- 1324 pages in 172 stories from EGMONT (D Denmark),
- 16 pages in 3 stories from OBERON (H Holland),
- 137 pages in 11 stories from Western (USA)

The total number of published pages in Finnish weekly is nowadays
some 1670-1700 pages (comics) in a year (total 36-52 pages per issue
having 28-46 pages of comics). As seen above the amount of pages
from Holland is alternating mostly from 50 to 200 per year. That is
hardly no more than 15% of all pages.

It's also likely that Dutch stories are not going to increase their
share much higher than what it is currently in a near future. By
using the INDUCKS -files of H -coded stories it is possible to count
that in the 1990's Oberon/Disney Holland has produced only some
450-700 pages of new Disney comics per year. In last year even the
Dutch weekly "Donald Duck" published more pages from Egmont than
Dutch pages!
..

For some reason Dutch stories are not my favorites. I consider
some of them being too aggressively violent - but most I dislike
the artwork of Dutch artists generally: Looks like artists/inkers
are always using too big inkbrush and a too tiny paper.

Let's just add here too that I'm a fan of Vicar/Branca/Murry/Tello/-
Bancells/Santanach -stories...

- Simo

I wrote before:
>I think the author made Howard the Duck loose his nebb in an accsident.
>Then Disney gave up, and Howard bought a new nebb! He looked like he did
>before, but Disney didn´t care!

Anders Christian Sivebæk replyed:
Hmm. I think I made you think of the other case of copyright here. The one
you mention was the swedish Arne Ankka-charecter, he bought a beak (nebb
in english) at a shop.

And I reply:
Yeah... I must have tought about the swedish Arne Ankka-character.

I wrote before:
>He was interviewed in the program along with Don Rosa. He had a
>middle-age dress and a middle-age hat (not like a wiking), he use to eat
>middle-age food, read middle-age poems and live like middle-age people used
>to do.
>He had nothing to do with Don Rosa, he just were in the program.

Anders Christian Sivebæk replyed:
I was just wondering if the guy was supposed to be some actual historic
person, and if you remembered the name, so I could look it up and get
wiser. It doesn't mean so much that it hasn't got anything to do with Don.

And I reply:
He wasn´t supposed to be a special historic person. He just wished that he
was born in the middle-ages, so he lived like them...

:)Håvard

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#1137653920
One-Shot Barks Pirate Gold by Carl Barks RARE
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Seller: This is a late 1970?s reprint of the famous Carl Barks, Jack Hannah
"Four Color No. 9" comic of Pirate Gold. The original was published in the
summer of 1942 and was the first long story by Carl Barks. An original copy
of this story would sell for many thousands. This reprint was done at a
time when no other reprints had been done of this story. Gladstone?s
reprint came later. The cover is black and the inside is copied from the
original comic in B&W. It is in EXCELLENT condition! This is a rare Bark?s
item for the Carl Barks? collector. In the 1970?s I used to visit Carl
Barks at his home and on my first visit he showed me some of his "work in
progress" paintings of the Ducks. He pulled something out of a file to show
me and it was an original copy of the Pirate Gold comic!! I was stunned! It
was like holding the "Hope Diamond"! Note to Carl Bark?s fans ? I will be
auctioning a handwritten letter from Carl Barks, written to me in the
1970?s.

[Haven't seen this 1970's letter being auctioned yet. DvE]

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#1139176873
Carl Barks Handwritten Letter 1968
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Seller: CARL BARKS HANDWRITTEN LETTER. 6x8.75" sheet of white paper with
handwritten letter on front in blue ink by Carl Barks to Charlie Roberts.
Signed in full and dated Aug. 28, 1968. Important letter with contents
relating to his early career doing oil paintings. Letter in full reads "I
apologize for taking so long to reply to your letter of the 19th. My wife
and I have been painting the wilds of Oregon and dashing off to exhibit at
art shows this summer. Letters have been neglected. The original Scrooge
I've just done for you is a pretty lousy example of inking. I'm rusty at
the business." Also adds pencil notation "I enclose a couple of roughs of
cover idea rejects."

[I think I've seen this letter being quoted, possibly in the CBL. DvE]

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#1138944181
ZEEOW! Carl Barks 1971 Original Pencil Layout
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Seller: You are bidding on the original CARL BARKS pencil layout for JUNIOR
WOODCHUCKS #10, "Maple Sugar Time", p.3, from 1971. Carls Barks wrote the
story and prepared rough pencil layouts. The ink work was completed by
staff artists at Western Publishing. Pencil on heavyweight paper, 12" x 9".
Has several small pinpricks in the upper right corner and has once been
folded horizontally and vertically. Otherwise in very good condition. The
complete 13 page pencil layout is published in the Carl Barks Library VI/1,
p. 194-197. From the collection of noted comic book historian and Barks
Library co-editor Thomas Andrae. Please feel free to eMail with any
question!

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Best wishes,

--- Daniel

Regarding the location of Duckburg:

I talked with Carl Barks many times about the location of Duckburg. He
indicated to me that he never really considered its ACTUAL geographical
location in the "real world". Just as he never considerered the continuity
of his stories, he never considered athorough consistancy in the Duckburgs
of his various stories. He considered the "Universe of the Ducks" an
Universe parallel to the existing one (known to the science of human
perception). He DID tell me: "I considered Duckburg a MAGICAL place where
ANY TYPE OF WEATHER could occur."
In some stories you could not view a seacoast (where one should have been
able to see it). In some other stories, Duckburg was all flat (where one
should have been able to see the Black Forest leading up towards high
mountains). In short, Barks considered each story on its own and used the
geographic elements he needed for each individual story without regard to
consistency of his canon.

However, being a Barksist, Donaldist, scientist/geographer and
university-trained City Planner, I am compelled to espouse a theory on this
subject:

Calisota must certainly be on the WEST coast of a continent of North
America (significantly changed from the actual). As snow regularly occurs
at sea-level, and yet sub tropical plants, such as palm trees survive
there, it cannot be placed at a latitude close to Central California.
Calisota must be immediately north of california, and perforce, immediately
south of Oregon. This stands to reason, as Barks stated that Uncle
Scrooge went to "Webfoot Tech" (university). Yhis would have occurred in
his youth, (possibly just for a few years between establishing his first
money bin in the early days of Duckburg, and moving on to Africa in the
Boer War. It is reasonable that he would attend university in calisota or
a nearby (adjacent) state (Oregon). Barks did mention that the town of
Webfoot was in Oregon (The Gilded Man). Also, having Duck family relatives
there (Donald's non McDuck family) provides a clue to the potential
location of the initial meeting of the two families (Calisota, or nearby
Oregon).

The actual climate of coastal extreme southern Oregon and extreme northern
California is the best fit for the climate Barks gave to Duckburg. It is
the only west coast in North America where snow could fall regularly at sea
level, and support the growth of palm trees. I did see a few palm trees
growing in rural portions of southern Oregon!!!! (actually, much to my
dismay and horror! - I prefer temperatures below the freezing mark of
water).

I also believe Minnesota must be placed northeast of Calisota; preferably,
with at least a segment adjacent to Calisota. Although Barks did have a
few inconsistancies and controdictions in his overall geography, a
reasonable geography of the Ducks' world can be inferred. The coastal area
has rugged beaches to its north, a natural harbour (Duckburg Bay) west of
most of Duckburg, and more gentle beaches to the south coast (where
Boomtown lies). There is a lush farm area inland from the beaches both
north and south of the City. Eastern Duckburg's hills slope down towards
the seacoast (west). These hills abutt the start of The Black Forest, east
of Duckburg. Some of this forest rises from forested foothills into a high
mountain massif. Some of the forest, on the more southeasterly side, is
more flat. That area abutts Dismal Swamp, on the other side of the Tulebug
River. The Tulebug River enters the sea on the southern boundary of
Duckburg, rising in the mountainous area between Duckburg and Goosetown.
It flows a bit east/southeast into Goosetown, then curves full south and
then west towards Duckburg, and ultimately, the sea. The Duckburg River
flows out of high mountains in northeastern Calisota, southwest through
flat Boreal forest land (of the Peeweehgahs) (similar to that of
Idaho/Montana/Alberta or Scandinavia/Finland). Then, it flows through lush
areas of farmland, finally reaching Duckburg, and ultimately, Duckburg Bay.
Tuleville, Hentown and Cattville are in the farm areas. Tuleville is on
the shore of Tule Lake. That is where the "Tule Lake Taters" that Donald
was peeling in 1959, for his "mess duty" in Barks' "Under the Polar Ice
Cap". Tule lake is an actual (very large) lake with is contained partly in
Oregon and partly in California. This is more evidence that Barks placed
the general home area of the Ducks in an area that is adjacent to (or
nearby) both Oregon and California.
The Duckwallow River, where Scrooge goes to find the salmon, starts in
Oregon. It flows southwest to the see inside the very northwest corner of
Calisota. Barks referred to other counties adjacent to Duck County
(generally shown on board signs located at their boundaries with Duck
County). Squash County, ((Don't Picka Da Punk! (pumpkins)) must be located
southeast of Duck County, as the land is all flat and all farmland. There
are no stands of forest left showing; so I must conclude that the climate
is a bit milder than on the north side. That is generally true of west
coast climates in the Northern Hemisphere.
Goose Egg County should be mainly east, and possibly, a bit south of Duck
County, as it should logically include Goosetown as its seat of government
(as duckburg is for Duck County). Webfoot County should be northwest of
Duck County - along the coast and going inland through large mountainous
and boreal forests. Squawbunion County should also be made up of mainly
flat farmland, and also be southeast of Duck County (as is Squash County).
The Desert areas to which Donald drives his auto to, or takes a reasonably
short train trip to, should be located in the very southeast of Calisota,
or further in that same direction, just beyond the State's boundaries.
Such a change in climate could be explained by the "Rain Shadow Effect" of
the high mountains catching all the rain and snowfall on their western
sides. They would be similar in the northern portions of very southeastern
Calisota to the "High Deserts" of eastern Oregon and northern Nevada. The
terribly dry Deserts that Donald reached must be much further south, in
states immediately south of Calisota.

As to the postal code of Duckburg in the 1950s. Based on the information
Barks provided, it must be concluded that Duckburg was a "middle sized
city". Therefore, it WOULD HAVE had a two number zone. So, we can
conclude Barks only let us seethe portion of the dialogue BEFORE the postal
worker voiced the zone number (or else he forgot to add that).

I have drawn professional - quality maps of Calisota, Duck County, Duckburg
(complete street map) and Duckburg Centre. I submitted them to Egmont, but
the editors there wanted only a map which should the landmarks physically,
as a photograh, not representaionally as proper symbolic maps. I hope to
submit these maps to VNU for printing in some form, which is why I will not
place them on a website for DCML members, nor publish them in a fanzine,
first.

I'll be intersted to see comments on this subject from other members.
Groetjes, Tschuss, Hilsen, Au Revoir & Ciao, - Rob Klein