Hi all!,
I'm Alex Katopodis (refered as akatopo at otenet.gr) form Lefkada,Greece ,a
new DCML user.My friend Apostolis(refered as komix at compulink.gr)
introduced me to this mailing list and also persuaded me to write this
message about myself.I'm 14 years old and an avid fan of the Disney duck
comics.My favorite artist artist is Carl Barks (R.I.P).From the living
ones :-) I like Don Rosa.I'm a collector of the Greek Komix magazine
which in my opinion is the best one in Greece.I'm very happy to
participate in this mailing list and I hope to see many interesting
discussions.
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Alex Katopodis
Hi all!
Message 511 -
2001-04-27 at 02:57:13
Vic Pratt
Pocket Books: do you remember?
Message 512 -
2001-04-27 at 12:20:53
Hello Duck Folks
All this talk of pocket-books filled with European
Disney strips makes me feel quite jealous here in
duck-free UK. But it also brings to mind a
half-remembered memory...maybe I'm mistaken...in the
Seventies or early Eighties, my Grannie used to bring
me old comics that she bought at jumble
sales...occasionally she would bring an Italian pocket
sized Disney comic (How I wished I could read
Italian!) but I seem to remember that on one occasion
she brought a similar pocket size Disney comic, but
actually in English...translations of European Disney
strips...she bought three or four of them...they
looked new...I believe she might have bought them in
Woolworths...
Of course, over the years, the comics vanished....
Does anyone else remember these comics? I'd sure like
to find them again....a failed experiment, maybe?
Best Duck Wishes
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All this talk of pocket-books filled with European
Disney strips makes me feel quite jealous here in
duck-free UK. But it also brings to mind a
half-remembered memory...maybe I'm mistaken...in the
Seventies or early Eighties, my Grannie used to bring
me old comics that she bought at jumble
sales...occasionally she would bring an Italian pocket
sized Disney comic (How I wished I could read
Italian!) but I seem to remember that on one occasion
she brought a similar pocket size Disney comic, but
actually in English...translations of European Disney
strips...she bought three or four of them...they
looked new...I believe she might have bought them in
Woolworths...
Of course, over the years, the comics vanished....
Does anyone else remember these comics? I'd sure like
to find them again....a failed experiment, maybe?
Best Duck Wishes
VIC
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http://come.to/thefleacircus
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Petri Kanninen
Italian favorites, Barks celebration stories
Message 513 -
2001-04-27 at 12:39:09
Sprea:
> Right, even though I really *loved* History Re-Petes itself (and not
> 'cause
> David's here, I say this also where he's not :-), one of the best Scarpa
> stories not written by him.
It was not bad at all, actually best of his recent stories. But still it
doesn't match some of Martina & Scarpa stories from the 50's and 60's.
Stories like Topolino e il doppio segreto di Macchia Nera (I TL 117-A),
Paperin Fracassa (I TL 584-A) or Il doppio mistero di Slim Magretto e la
casa degli svedesi (I TL 602-A) simply won't let you go anywhere. You just
have to read them without breaks. There is the painful suspense of Macchia
Nera as you can't be sure what Mickey is going to do next, the dreamlike
feel of Paperin Fracassa and great characters in Slim Magretto. As they
were published in parts in Italy I can't imagine how Italian readers must
have felt when they waited for the following issue of Topolino.
BTW. What are people's non-Scarpa favorites of Italian stories? My vote
goes to Martina-Carpi story Paperino e il re del fiume d'oro (I TL 270-A).
Short summary of the plot: Ghost of an ancient king appears to DD and HDL
and tells them half the way to a lost treasure and the second half to US.
As the ducks reach what seems to be a quite magical treasure, both DD and
US try to take the treasure for themselves and only get in trouble. Then
HDL sacrifice the treasure in order to save their uncles.
The fascinating, dreamlike hunt after the treasure in the middle of
nowhere where anything can happen is simply beautiful and mysterious. The
way how DD and US act is quite terrible and raises a feel of rage in to my
minf. And the end of the story when DD and US fail to get anything after
they had been greedy, rude to HDL and tried to cheat, I just can't help to
overwhelming feel of "This is justice!". The story is so intensive that
after reading it I can only sit a while and try to get my thougths in
order. The feeling of reading something that has affected you is immense.
It's quite hard to explain why I like it so much (as one can see of the
mumbling above) but it's sure worth reading.
I know the ducks don't act too barksian a way in the story. Some true
Barks-fans probably don't like story's DD and US one bit and don't like
the story because of that but for me at least that is not a problem. If I
would have to choose the best story in the pocket books, it would probably
be this but it is hard to choose between all the great stories.
> But, he's also *writing* the current Egmont's Uncle Scrooge celebration
> story, right? So he's back to writing, I'm really looking forward to
> reading this! :-)
Who wouldn't? :-) BTW. When are we going to see these celebration
stories in print? I can hardly wait.
>From: "Melanie Cerruti" <melanie166 at yahoo.fr>
>> I was told there are marketing reasons to this. The
>> young audience (around 7 years old) doesn't like long
>> stories.
> I guess that's what publisher think (but certainly not the truth!), and
> this might be the reason for short stories..
Yup! I wonder why nobody ever asks me when changes are made? I loved these
long Scarpa stories when I was a kid. But then again perhaps I wasn't a
normal child. :-)
--
Petri Kanninen (pkannine at cc.hut.fi)
"El?m? muodostaa komplekseja."
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> Right, even though I really *loved* History Re-Petes itself (and not
> 'cause
> David's here, I say this also where he's not :-), one of the best Scarpa
> stories not written by him.
It was not bad at all, actually best of his recent stories. But still it
doesn't match some of Martina & Scarpa stories from the 50's and 60's.
Stories like Topolino e il doppio segreto di Macchia Nera (I TL 117-A),
Paperin Fracassa (I TL 584-A) or Il doppio mistero di Slim Magretto e la
casa degli svedesi (I TL 602-A) simply won't let you go anywhere. You just
have to read them without breaks. There is the painful suspense of Macchia
Nera as you can't be sure what Mickey is going to do next, the dreamlike
feel of Paperin Fracassa and great characters in Slim Magretto. As they
were published in parts in Italy I can't imagine how Italian readers must
have felt when they waited for the following issue of Topolino.
BTW. What are people's non-Scarpa favorites of Italian stories? My vote
goes to Martina-Carpi story Paperino e il re del fiume d'oro (I TL 270-A).
Short summary of the plot: Ghost of an ancient king appears to DD and HDL
and tells them half the way to a lost treasure and the second half to US.
As the ducks reach what seems to be a quite magical treasure, both DD and
US try to take the treasure for themselves and only get in trouble. Then
HDL sacrifice the treasure in order to save their uncles.
The fascinating, dreamlike hunt after the treasure in the middle of
nowhere where anything can happen is simply beautiful and mysterious. The
way how DD and US act is quite terrible and raises a feel of rage in to my
minf. And the end of the story when DD and US fail to get anything after
they had been greedy, rude to HDL and tried to cheat, I just can't help to
overwhelming feel of "This is justice!". The story is so intensive that
after reading it I can only sit a while and try to get my thougths in
order. The feeling of reading something that has affected you is immense.
It's quite hard to explain why I like it so much (as one can see of the
mumbling above) but it's sure worth reading.
I know the ducks don't act too barksian a way in the story. Some true
Barks-fans probably don't like story's DD and US one bit and don't like
the story because of that but for me at least that is not a problem. If I
would have to choose the best story in the pocket books, it would probably
be this but it is hard to choose between all the great stories.
> But, he's also *writing* the current Egmont's Uncle Scrooge celebration
> story, right? So he's back to writing, I'm really looking forward to
> reading this! :-)
Who wouldn't? :-) BTW. When are we going to see these celebration
stories in print? I can hardly wait.
>From: "Melanie Cerruti" <melanie166 at yahoo.fr>
>> I was told there are marketing reasons to this. The
>> young audience (around 7 years old) doesn't like long
>> stories.
> I guess that's what publisher think (but certainly not the truth!), and
> this might be the reason for short stories..
Yup! I wonder why nobody ever asks me when changes are made? I loved these
long Scarpa stories when I was a kid. But then again perhaps I wasn't a
normal child. :-)
--
Petri Kanninen (pkannine at cc.hut.fi)
"El?m? muodostaa komplekseja."
Aku Ankan taskukirja -tietokanta:
http://www.perunamaa.net/taskarit/
Olaf Solstrand
Donald's uncle, Duckburg today, thinking hat
Message 514 -
2001-04-27 at 13:01:08
Thanks for all response on my question about Gyro's inventions! By the way,
have Carl Barks ever used the thinking hat? The one with the three crows? (I
doubt it... there's NO WAY such a thing could work!)
I just wonder: What is the name of Donald's uncle? Is it Scrooge or is it
$crooge? I've been surfing through various web pages (D.U.C.K.hunt,
duckburg.dk etc.) and seen both versions used. What is correct?
And, I'm curious; do any of you have any thoughts about what is happening in
Duckburg today? According to Don Rosa, $crooge died 34 years ago, Donald is
now 80yo, HD&L are now 60yo... I have a few theories;
1) Donald has married Daisy.
2) Gyro has married someone (a figure not introduced yet?) and he has a
daughter
3) Huey, Dewey and Louie have gone to college. They have probably split up
by now - they're not so equal anymore:
3a) Huey is in charge of taking care of the funds they inherited from their
grand-uncle Scrooge
3b) - Dewey has married (probably a girl he met in college)
- Dewey and his wife have a son
- After years of dating Dewey's son married Gyro's daughter.
- Dewey's son and Gyro's daughter have given birth to twins
3c) Louie is some kind of top-general in the Junior Woodchucks Worldwide
Organization (what's the English word for "stormogul"?)
4) The money in the velvet of Scrooge's money bin is never used. They lay
there as a monument over the man who in his lifetime managed to earn, with
nothing but himself to help him, a gigantic room filled with cash
5) Gus Goose inherited Grandma Duck's farm, but he soon sold it
6) Some years before Scrooge died, he became friends with Hortense and
Matilda again
HD&L probably went to collage in 1958, when they were 18yo
All these marriages (Donald/Daisy, Gyro/someone, Dewey/someone) probably
found place somewhere between 1960 and 1965. That's also the period where
Gyro/someone and Dewey/someone probably got kids. Scrooge died in his 100th
year, 1967. Somewhere 1975-1980 I guess Dewey's son and Gyro's daughter
started dating, some years later they married and in 1985 I guess they got
their kids (which I believe was twins). I guess Louie was honored to become
("stormogul") around 1980, when he was 40yo.
I hope to get to read a story about what's happening today one day! I think
I've read somewhere that Don Rosa also has such a fantasy? I would love to
hear about it!
Anyway, thanks for now. Now I will not check my e-mail before wednesday,
so... let me guess... a zillion new mails during the weekend? :) :) :)
-olaf-
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have Carl Barks ever used the thinking hat? The one with the three crows? (I
doubt it... there's NO WAY such a thing could work!)
I just wonder: What is the name of Donald's uncle? Is it Scrooge or is it
$crooge? I've been surfing through various web pages (D.U.C.K.hunt,
duckburg.dk etc.) and seen both versions used. What is correct?
And, I'm curious; do any of you have any thoughts about what is happening in
Duckburg today? According to Don Rosa, $crooge died 34 years ago, Donald is
now 80yo, HD&L are now 60yo... I have a few theories;
1) Donald has married Daisy.
2) Gyro has married someone (a figure not introduced yet?) and he has a
daughter
3) Huey, Dewey and Louie have gone to college. They have probably split up
by now - they're not so equal anymore:
3a) Huey is in charge of taking care of the funds they inherited from their
grand-uncle Scrooge
3b) - Dewey has married (probably a girl he met in college)
- Dewey and his wife have a son
- After years of dating Dewey's son married Gyro's daughter.
- Dewey's son and Gyro's daughter have given birth to twins
3c) Louie is some kind of top-general in the Junior Woodchucks Worldwide
Organization (what's the English word for "stormogul"?)
4) The money in the velvet of Scrooge's money bin is never used. They lay
there as a monument over the man who in his lifetime managed to earn, with
nothing but himself to help him, a gigantic room filled with cash
5) Gus Goose inherited Grandma Duck's farm, but he soon sold it
6) Some years before Scrooge died, he became friends with Hortense and
Matilda again
HD&L probably went to collage in 1958, when they were 18yo
All these marriages (Donald/Daisy, Gyro/someone, Dewey/someone) probably
found place somewhere between 1960 and 1965. That's also the period where
Gyro/someone and Dewey/someone probably got kids. Scrooge died in his 100th
year, 1967. Somewhere 1975-1980 I guess Dewey's son and Gyro's daughter
started dating, some years later they married and in 1985 I guess they got
their kids (which I believe was twins). I guess Louie was honored to become
("stormogul") around 1980, when he was 40yo.
I hope to get to read a story about what's happening today one day! I think
I've read somewhere that Don Rosa also has such a fantasy? I would love to
hear about it!
Anyway, thanks for now. Now I will not check my e-mail before wednesday,
so... let me guess... a zillion new mails during the weekend? :) :) :)
-olaf-
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Fluks, H.W.
Soeren: Artist Samples, Igayara
Message 515 -
2001-04-27 at 13:24:07
[Warning: boring technical stuff ahead...]
S?ren:
> > > MK 224c S 69067 4 DD Castelos no gelo [xapp:DD,HDL,US]
> > > MK 226i S 69070 3 DD S? compra quem escorrega [xapp:DD,HDL]
> >
> > See http://www.projesom.com.br/afaria/scodes/
>
> We don't know exactly what happened to those two stories (S
> 69067 and S
> 69070), but it seems that the Disney Studio ordered 11 stories from
> Gutenberghus (old name for Egmont), i.e. S 69065 -> S 69075. However,
> for unknown reasons they (all eleven of them) were not (apparently)
> distributed in the expected way, but were published just shortly after
> their creation, that is in early 1969 in Scandinavia, and Gutenberghus
> gave them their own D-codes.
My guess is a bit different: Gutenberghus produced these stories and gave
them D-codes (as usual). Then Disney USA wanted to distribute these stories.
They translated them to English (for all the foreign editors), and maybe
that's why they got new S-codes.
Obviously, Gutenberghus used the original Danish versions (with D-codes),
while other countries translated from English and used the S-codes.
Similar thing happened with some Brazilian stories.
The above is just a theory, but while I'm writing it, it's getting more and
more plausible to me. 8-)
> In other words, S 69067 is in fact D 1143 and S 69070 is D 1146.
> Since no story in Inducks IMO can have two different codes, I suggest
> that the D-codes are used with a reference (xref) to the according
> S-code.
>
> Harry, what do you think, it quite a peculiar situation...
I think we should use the original D-codes only. I'll make sure that the
S-codes do not really exist. Therefore, the xref field cannot be used (you
cannot refer to something non-existing), so a comment will do.
--Harry.
S?ren:
> > > MK 224c S 69067 4 DD Castelos no gelo [xapp:DD,HDL,US]
> > > MK 226i S 69070 3 DD S? compra quem escorrega [xapp:DD,HDL]
> >
> > See http://www.projesom.com.br/afaria/scodes/
>
> We don't know exactly what happened to those two stories (S
> 69067 and S
> 69070), but it seems that the Disney Studio ordered 11 stories from
> Gutenberghus (old name for Egmont), i.e. S 69065 -> S 69075. However,
> for unknown reasons they (all eleven of them) were not (apparently)
> distributed in the expected way, but were published just shortly after
> their creation, that is in early 1969 in Scandinavia, and Gutenberghus
> gave them their own D-codes.
My guess is a bit different: Gutenberghus produced these stories and gave
them D-codes (as usual). Then Disney USA wanted to distribute these stories.
They translated them to English (for all the foreign editors), and maybe
that's why they got new S-codes.
Obviously, Gutenberghus used the original Danish versions (with D-codes),
while other countries translated from English and used the S-codes.
Similar thing happened with some Brazilian stories.
The above is just a theory, but while I'm writing it, it's getting more and
more plausible to me. 8-)
> In other words, S 69067 is in fact D 1143 and S 69070 is D 1146.
> Since no story in Inducks IMO can have two different codes, I suggest
> that the D-codes are used with a reference (xref) to the according
> S-code.
>
> Harry, what do you think, it quite a peculiar situation...
I think we should use the original D-codes only. I'll make sure that the
S-codes do not really exist. Therefore, the xref field cannot be used (you
cannot refer to something non-existing), so a comment will do.
--Harry.
Søren Krarup Olesen
Italian favorites, Barks celebration stories
Message 516 -
2001-04-27 at 13:28:38
HARRY + PETRI:
> > way how DD and US act is quite terrible and raises a feel of
> > rage in to my minf. [...]
> > they had been greedy, rude to HDL and tried to cheat [...]
>
> This is the kind of things that I dislike the most about Italian
> stories. [...]
Really? The fact that they do act rude sometimes give them more
personality and they appear less polished as is the case nowadays.
> I have the impression that it's mostly Martina who wrote stories
> like that. [...]
That might be, and let me give you perhaps the worst/best example that
supports this theory:
I TL 604-A, "Zio Paperone e il biliardo da un miliardo" written by the
same Martina and drawn by "master of quarrels" Giulio Chierchini.
In this story Scrooge, Donald and Ludwig litteraly *steals* gold coins
hidden within an old billiard table. The Beagle Boys take photos of the
event and try to blackmail the ducks, but that's about all the illegal
thing they do. At the end the Beagles go to jail, and Scrooge gets "his"
gold coins.
Despite the obvious "unfairness" of the story, I love it! :-)
BTW, notice the "North By Northwest"-house in the splash panel... ;-)
Søren
> > way how DD and US act is quite terrible and raises a feel of
> > rage in to my minf. [...]
> > they had been greedy, rude to HDL and tried to cheat [...]
>
> This is the kind of things that I dislike the most about Italian
> stories. [...]
Really? The fact that they do act rude sometimes give them more
personality and they appear less polished as is the case nowadays.
> I have the impression that it's mostly Martina who wrote stories
> like that. [...]
That might be, and let me give you perhaps the worst/best example that
supports this theory:
I TL 604-A, "Zio Paperone e il biliardo da un miliardo" written by the
same Martina and drawn by "master of quarrels" Giulio Chierchini.
In this story Scrooge, Donald and Ludwig litteraly *steals* gold coins
hidden within an old billiard table. The Beagle Boys take photos of the
event and try to blackmail the ducks, but that's about all the illegal
thing they do. At the end the Beagles go to jail, and Scrooge gets "his"
gold coins.
Despite the obvious "unfairness" of the story, I love it! :-)
BTW, notice the "North By Northwest"-house in the splash panel... ;-)
Søren
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Scrooge being death or alive
Message 517 -
2001-04-27 at 13:50:25
OLAF SOLSTRAND, 15-04-2001:
> By the way, did $crooge die in 1967?
Depends on what you believe. :-) In panel 15.3 of Barks' 1994 script-only
"Horsing Around With History" (D 94003), one nephew tells Scrooge:
"Bottled mail will never replace FAX!"
This would mean that Scrooge has at least lived long enough to know about
the invention of the fax machine. If so, then Scrooge must be very,
*very* old.
For "in real life" explanations of Scrooge's old age, these Barks stories
may be possible candidates, though (as far as I know) not intended as such:
US 32 - That's No Fable
Scrooge drinks from the fountain of youth. It doesn't seem to make Scrooge
look younger, but maybe it has given him at least some extra decades?
Go Slowly Sands Of Time (illustrated story, 1981)
Scrooge follows the advice of the old people of the Vale of Khunza.
(A comic book version of this story, coded D 6856, based on Barks' story
outline, has been published in "Uncle Scrooge" No. 216, 1987.)
OS 178 - Christmas on Bear Mountain
In this and other stories with early Scrooge appearances, Scrooge seems
to look much older than in later stories.
Again, it just depends on what one decides to believe. For me, personally,
Uncle Scrooge is still alive today.
Best wishes,
--- Daniel
> By the way, did $crooge die in 1967?
Depends on what you believe. :-) In panel 15.3 of Barks' 1994 script-only
"Horsing Around With History" (D 94003), one nephew tells Scrooge:
"Bottled mail will never replace FAX!"
This would mean that Scrooge has at least lived long enough to know about
the invention of the fax machine. If so, then Scrooge must be very,
*very* old.
For "in real life" explanations of Scrooge's old age, these Barks stories
may be possible candidates, though (as far as I know) not intended as such:
US 32 - That's No Fable
Scrooge drinks from the fountain of youth. It doesn't seem to make Scrooge
look younger, but maybe it has given him at least some extra decades?
Go Slowly Sands Of Time (illustrated story, 1981)
Scrooge follows the advice of the old people of the Vale of Khunza.
(A comic book version of this story, coded D 6856, based on Barks' story
outline, has been published in "Uncle Scrooge" No. 216, 1987.)
OS 178 - Christmas on Bear Mountain
In this and other stories with early Scrooge appearances, Scrooge seems
to look much older than in later stories.
Again, it just depends on what one decides to believe. For me, personally,
Uncle Scrooge is still alive today.
Best wishes,
--- Daniel
Fluks, H.W.
Italian favorites, Barks celebration stories
Message 518 -
2001-04-27 at 14:10:37
Petri:
> Martina-Carpi story Paperino e il re del fiume d'oro
> (I TL 270-A). [...] The
> way how DD and US act is quite terrible and raises a feel of
> rage in to my minf. [...]
> they had been greedy, rude to HDL and tried to cheat [...]
This is the kind of things that I dislike the most about Italian stories. I
don't recall reading that particular story (it was not used in Holland, as
far as we know). But in lots of Italian stories, the Ducks are rude and
mean. And fighting all the time. And Scrooge is often doing *illegal*
things.
I don't like that at all. The mean characters should be the *villains* of a
story, not the Ducks. In some stories it gets even worse, when Donald or
Scrooge *get away* with being mean and cheating.
I have the impression that it's mostly Martina who wrote stories like that.
I think it's one of the main reasons that I thought all Italian stories were
junk. And also a reason why I still prefer Italian Mickey stories to Italian
Duck stories.
When I get the chance, I'll read I TL 270-A (maybe in German or so), and see
if I get that overwhelming feeling you are talking about... 8-)
--Harry.
> Martina-Carpi story Paperino e il re del fiume d'oro
> (I TL 270-A). [...] The
> way how DD and US act is quite terrible and raises a feel of
> rage in to my minf. [...]
> they had been greedy, rude to HDL and tried to cheat [...]
This is the kind of things that I dislike the most about Italian stories. I
don't recall reading that particular story (it was not used in Holland, as
far as we know). But in lots of Italian stories, the Ducks are rude and
mean. And fighting all the time. And Scrooge is often doing *illegal*
things.
I don't like that at all. The mean characters should be the *villains* of a
story, not the Ducks. In some stories it gets even worse, when Donald or
Scrooge *get away* with being mean and cheating.
I have the impression that it's mostly Martina who wrote stories like that.
I think it's one of the main reasons that I thought all Italian stories were
junk. And also a reason why I still prefer Italian Mickey stories to Italian
Duck stories.
When I get the chance, I'll read I TL 270-A (maybe in German or so), and see
if I get that overwhelming feeling you are talking about... 8-)
--Harry.
DGE
Pocket Books: do you remember?
Message 519 -
2001-04-27 at 14:15:30
Hey Vic!
>I seem to remember that on one occasion
>she brought a similar pocket size Disney comic, but
>actually in English...translations of European Disney
>strips...she bought three or four of them...they
>looked new...I believe she might have bought them in
>Woolworths...
>
>Of course, over the years, the comics vanished....
>
>Does anyone else remember these comics? I'd sure like
>to find them again....a failed experiment, maybe?
You got it.
The comic you remember is the "Donald Duck Fun Library," a 100-page
pocketbook published in Britain in the late 1970s. It was the British
equivalent to the Scandinavian Onkel Joakim/Onkel Skrue, which is published
to this day (and to the German Donald Duck, which stopped a couple of years
ago). I have never seen one of these for sale on the open market, even when
I lived in the UK, but we do have bound-together file copies here at Egmont,
so I know we published it.
In 1981, there were also thicker Disney comics in Britain when two
(?) issues of "Jumbo Book" were published. They are 256-page pocketbooks,
equivalent to the Danish Jumbobog and German Lustiges Taschenbuch (among
others). I guess these weren't a success - pity, as one of the two contains
some of Scarpa's *very* best stories.
David
>I seem to remember that on one occasion
>she brought a similar pocket size Disney comic, but
>actually in English...translations of European Disney
>strips...she bought three or four of them...they
>looked new...I believe she might have bought them in
>Woolworths...
>
>Of course, over the years, the comics vanished....
>
>Does anyone else remember these comics? I'd sure like
>to find them again....a failed experiment, maybe?
You got it.
The comic you remember is the "Donald Duck Fun Library," a 100-page
pocketbook published in Britain in the late 1970s. It was the British
equivalent to the Scandinavian Onkel Joakim/Onkel Skrue, which is published
to this day (and to the German Donald Duck, which stopped a couple of years
ago). I have never seen one of these for sale on the open market, even when
I lived in the UK, but we do have bound-together file copies here at Egmont,
so I know we published it.
In 1981, there were also thicker Disney comics in Britain when two
(?) issues of "Jumbo Book" were published. They are 256-page pocketbooks,
equivalent to the Danish Jumbobog and German Lustiges Taschenbuch (among
others). I guess these weren't a success - pity, as one of the two contains
some of Scarpa's *very* best stories.
David
Ari Seppi
Italian favorites, Barks celebration stories
Message 520 -
2001-04-27 at 14:33:49
S?ren:
>HARRY + PETRI:
>
> > > way how DD and US act is quite terrible and raises a feel of
> > > rage in to my minf. [...]
> > > they had been greedy, rude to HDL and tried to cheat [...]
> >
> > This is the kind of things that I dislike the most about Italian
> > stories. [...]
>
> Really? The fact that they do act rude sometimes give them more
> personality and they appear less polished as is the case nowadays.
True. Although, I remember really *hating* these stories as a child,
Scrooge was always so mean. Luckily, there was also Paperinik-stories
where Donald had his revenge.
(Oh, these stories really raise anger in children. They are awfully
harmful, clearly encourage violence, and should therefore be banned!
:-) )
--
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>HARRY + PETRI:
>
> > > way how DD and US act is quite terrible and raises a feel of
> > > rage in to my minf. [...]
> > > they had been greedy, rude to HDL and tried to cheat [...]
> >
> > This is the kind of things that I dislike the most about Italian
> > stories. [...]
>
> Really? The fact that they do act rude sometimes give them more
> personality and they appear less polished as is the case nowadays.
True. Although, I remember really *hating* these stories as a child,
Scrooge was always so mean. Luckily, there was also Paperinik-stories
where Donald had his revenge.
(Oh, these stories really raise anger in children. They are awfully
harmful, clearly encourage violence, and should therefore be banned!
:-) )
--
Ari Seppi (mani at sci.fi)
Eritt?in fanaattinen Disney-sarjakuvien ja Harry Potter -kirjojen palvoja
http://www.sci.fi/~mani/
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Screaming cowboy (WDC 137)
Message 521 -
2001-04-27 at 15:37:47
OLIVIER, 15-04-2001:
> Don't you think the hermit has a Santa Claus-like face (and eyes, esp),
> p 8 panel 5?
You're certainly not the first. :-) In Dutch weekly "Donald Duck Weekblad"
No. 1952-10, the translation mentions Santa Claus instead of hermit.
Later reprints mention hermit (instead of Santa Claus).
Best wishes,
--- Daniel
> Don't you think the hermit has a Santa Claus-like face (and eyes, esp),
> p 8 panel 5?
You're certainly not the first. :-) In Dutch weekly "Donald Duck Weekblad"
No. 1952-10, the translation mentions Santa Claus instead of hermit.
Later reprints mention hermit (instead of Santa Claus).
Best wishes,
--- Daniel
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Street name in "Riddle of the Red Hat" (OS 79)
Message 522 -
2001-04-27 at 16:10:58
About this month's discussions about where Mickey is living and about real
street names:
In Barks' Mickey Mouse story "The Riddle of the Red Hat", a street name is
mentioned: 72 Verbena Boulevard (panel 6.7), the address of Whoosit's
house.
Does "Verbena Boulevard" refer to a real street name, like the street names
mentioned in panel 2.4 of "Vacation Time" (VP 1)?
Best wishes,
--- Daniel
street names:
In Barks' Mickey Mouse story "The Riddle of the Red Hat", a street name is
mentioned: 72 Verbena Boulevard (panel 6.7), the address of Whoosit's
house.
Does "Verbena Boulevard" refer to a real street name, like the street names
mentioned in panel 2.4 of "Vacation Time" (VP 1)?
Best wishes,
--- Daniel
Melanie Cerruti
Scarpa
Message 523 -
2001-04-27 at 17:28:11
Thanks for the answers regarding Scarpa's latest
stories. I'm waiting forward to seeing this serie of
new stories with characters created by Barks.
About the "violent" Italian stories, Soeren wrote
>I TL 604-A, "Zio Paperone e il biliardo da un
>miliardo" written by the same Martina and drawn >by
"master of quarrels" Giulio Chierchini.
>
>In this story Scrooge, Donald and Ludwig litteraly
>*steals* gold coins hidden within an old billiard
>table. The Beagle Boys take photos of the event and
>try to blackmail the ducks, but that's about all the
>illegal thing they do. At the end the Beagles go to
>jail, and Scrooge gets "his" gold coins.
In the end of this story, the Beagle Boys, caught by
the police, accuse Scrooge of stealing the gold coins,
which is true, and the chief policeman laughs at them:
"the Beagle Boys accusing Scrooge of stealing gold
coins? Let me laugh, ah! ah! ah!". In the following
panel, you even see Scrooge and Donald cynically
laughing with the policemen! The Beagle Boys end up
going in jail for something they did not do.
It's about one of the most violent Italian story I
ever read, but I must say I don't dislike them.
Scrooge also litterally forced Donald to help him
steal gold coins. Donald once protested as he doesn't
want to do illegal things, but could not refuse
because he owns Scrooge so many money.
Another story in the same pocket book is "Oncle Picsou
et la soucoupologie" (Francois' COA gives the code I
TL 583-A) where Scrooge steals Rockerduck by selling
him a deserted hotel at a very high price. He had
Rockerduck believe the hotel is very succesful by
paying comedians to pretend they are clients of the
hotel.
And then, I remember a story where Scrooge and Donald
are physically fighting for money that Scrooge own to
Donald but doesn't want to give him. In this one,
Scrooge is again acting like a thief!
Melanie
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stories. I'm waiting forward to seeing this serie of
new stories with characters created by Barks.
About the "violent" Italian stories, Soeren wrote
>I TL 604-A, "Zio Paperone e il biliardo da un
>miliardo" written by the same Martina and drawn >by
"master of quarrels" Giulio Chierchini.
>
>In this story Scrooge, Donald and Ludwig litteraly
>*steals* gold coins hidden within an old billiard
>table. The Beagle Boys take photos of the event and
>try to blackmail the ducks, but that's about all the
>illegal thing they do. At the end the Beagles go to
>jail, and Scrooge gets "his" gold coins.
In the end of this story, the Beagle Boys, caught by
the police, accuse Scrooge of stealing the gold coins,
which is true, and the chief policeman laughs at them:
"the Beagle Boys accusing Scrooge of stealing gold
coins? Let me laugh, ah! ah! ah!". In the following
panel, you even see Scrooge and Donald cynically
laughing with the policemen! The Beagle Boys end up
going in jail for something they did not do.
It's about one of the most violent Italian story I
ever read, but I must say I don't dislike them.
Scrooge also litterally forced Donald to help him
steal gold coins. Donald once protested as he doesn't
want to do illegal things, but could not refuse
because he owns Scrooge so many money.
Another story in the same pocket book is "Oncle Picsou
et la soucoupologie" (Francois' COA gives the code I
TL 583-A) where Scrooge steals Rockerduck by selling
him a deserted hotel at a very high price. He had
Rockerduck believe the hotel is very succesful by
paying comedians to pretend they are clients of the
hotel.
And then, I remember a story where Scrooge and Donald
are physically fighting for money that Scrooge own to
Donald but doesn't want to give him. In this one,
Scrooge is again acting like a thief!
Melanie
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Timo Ronkainen
Barks celebration stories
Message 524 -
2001-04-27 at 18:14:24
>Who wouldn't? :-) BTW. When are we going to see these celebration
>stories in print? I can hardly wait.
First one in Finland was just printed in Aku Ankka (17). It was Ferioli's
Gladstone Gander -story. I think it was great. Surprisingly great. He did
the script himself, and it was quite barksian story. It had couple of
references to old Barks-stories and to at least one money bin -painting.
Wonderful. And he drew ducks quite well.
There was also a list of stories to come, with writers. Branca, Rota, Vicar
and Esteban has scripters. Others have done their own stories.
Writers are Geoffrey Blum for Branca; Pat & Carol McGreal for Rota and
Esteban; and John Lustig for Vicar.
Timo
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>stories in print? I can hardly wait.
First one in Finland was just printed in Aku Ankka (17). It was Ferioli's
Gladstone Gander -story. I think it was great. Surprisingly great. He did
the script himself, and it was quite barksian story. It had couple of
references to old Barks-stories and to at least one money bin -painting.
Wonderful. And he drew ducks quite well.
There was also a list of stories to come, with writers. Branca, Rota, Vicar
and Esteban has scripters. Others have done their own stories.
Writers are Geoffrey Blum for Branca; Pat & Carol McGreal for Rota and
Esteban; and John Lustig for Vicar.
Timo
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20540 Turku ------------------- -
Finland ----------------------- -
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Søren Krarup Olesen
Italian favorites
Message 525 -
2001-04-27 at 18:52:12
HARRY:
> > I TL 604-A, "Zio Paperone e il biliardo da un miliardo"
> > Despite the obvious "unfairness" of the story, I love it! :-)
>
> I can't understand why anyone would find pleasure in reading such
> things...
"such things"!? Hmmm. Do you really think that Scrooge acts pleasantly
and friendly towards Donald for example, in general I mean, reading
Barks or Rosa? Scrooge is often an old ruthless, stingy duck--no
mitigating circumstances whatsoever...
Read Barks' "Sunken Yacht". Do you find this "fair play"?
The fact that the Italians developed this is in my opinion very
interesting and only "boosts" our understanding of how these ducks
actually can behave sometimes.
Of course I don't wish to see quarrels or Scrooge hammering Donald's
head in every series, but sometimes he may or may *not* have the reason
to do so. Do we all behave decently always, do we all never tell lies
or do never get aggresive to some extent...
Why all this loftiness, not even the super heroes that we know of are
so black and white. In fact, it's when they fail to be so, surprise
us, that things and stories get really interesting and special and
something we'll never forget.
> Maybe it's me, or maybe there's a cultural difference (but in that
> case, are Danes culturally related to Italians??).
I don't believe there *can* be any difference between Dutch and Danish
culture in this sense. It must be a simple matter of taste! :-)
Søren
> (Leaving for Italy, to get some Italian culture. 8-)
It takes a lifetime to like their stories and less than a second to
like their (eh eh) well...no, it's not just the wine... :-)
> > I TL 604-A, "Zio Paperone e il biliardo da un miliardo"
> > Despite the obvious "unfairness" of the story, I love it! :-)
>
> I can't understand why anyone would find pleasure in reading such
> things...
"such things"!? Hmmm. Do you really think that Scrooge acts pleasantly
and friendly towards Donald for example, in general I mean, reading
Barks or Rosa? Scrooge is often an old ruthless, stingy duck--no
mitigating circumstances whatsoever...
Read Barks' "Sunken Yacht". Do you find this "fair play"?
The fact that the Italians developed this is in my opinion very
interesting and only "boosts" our understanding of how these ducks
actually can behave sometimes.
Of course I don't wish to see quarrels or Scrooge hammering Donald's
head in every series, but sometimes he may or may *not* have the reason
to do so. Do we all behave decently always, do we all never tell lies
or do never get aggresive to some extent...
Why all this loftiness, not even the super heroes that we know of are
so black and white. In fact, it's when they fail to be so, surprise
us, that things and stories get really interesting and special and
something we'll never forget.
> Maybe it's me, or maybe there's a cultural difference (but in that
> case, are Danes culturally related to Italians??).
I don't believe there *can* be any difference between Dutch and Danish
culture in this sense. It must be a simple matter of taste! :-)
Søren
> (Leaving for Italy, to get some Italian culture. 8-)
It takes a lifetime to like their stories and less than a second to
like their (eh eh) well...no, it's not just the wine... :-)