Don:
> I made it clear that the "residents" were alive but
> frozen and asleep
> in ice blocks. But still, it was intended to be clear to the
> older readers just what was goin' on.
My point was that the drawings were so obvious that *any* child would know
what was going on.
Anyway, Roy answered your question about the Dutch translation.
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Fluks, H.W.
Kalevala
Message 181 -
2001-04-17 at 20:35:07
Håvard Hesjevoll
Questions to Don Rosa´s "The Coin".
Message 182 -
2001-04-17 at 20:42:50
In Don Rosa´s story "The coin", there is a paperroll in the first panel(of
the kind that drawers often use to write the introduction. But (at leastin
the norwegian edition) it´s just "KR" in the paperroll... So I wonder: Was
it an introductions there, which has been deleted in the norwegian version?
And in that case; what was written there?
And another thing: I can´t find the hidden D.U.C.K.. Does anyone know where
it is?
- Håvard Hesjevoll
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the kind that drawers often use to write the introduction. But (at leastin
the norwegian edition) it´s just "KR" in the paperroll... So I wonder: Was
it an introductions there, which has been deleted in the norwegian version?
And in that case; what was written there?
And another thing: I can´t find the hidden D.U.C.K.. Does anyone know where
it is?
- Håvard Hesjevoll
_________________________________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
Donald Markstein
Concerning the plagiarist, Angelo Totti
Message 183 -
2001-04-17 at 21:03:18
Anders Christian Siveb?k sez:
>> I am not sure what we can do about you.
>> Mailbombing is pretty rude, and I have other things to do, but
>> there's no web police as far as I know.
If Mr. Totti reads the Yahoo/Geocities Terms of Service, he will find that
what he is doing is not allowed by his server. The people whose work he has
stolen do NOT have to grin and bear it. A complaint to Yahoo/Geocities will
result in the removal of the stolen pages, if not his entire site.
I assure you, if the little thief ever touches any of the Disney pages on MY
Web site, he will find himself very quickly shut down.
Quack, Don
Today in Toons: Every day's an anniversary. What's today?
http://www.toonopedia.com/today.htm
>> I am not sure what we can do about you.
>> Mailbombing is pretty rude, and I have other things to do, but
>> there's no web police as far as I know.
If Mr. Totti reads the Yahoo/Geocities Terms of Service, he will find that
what he is doing is not allowed by his server. The people whose work he has
stolen do NOT have to grin and bear it. A complaint to Yahoo/Geocities will
result in the removal of the stolen pages, if not his entire site.
I assure you, if the little thief ever touches any of the Disney pages on MY
Web site, he will find himself very quickly shut down.
Quack, Don
Today in Toons: Every day's an anniversary. What's today?
http://www.toonopedia.com/today.htm
Anders Christian Siveb¾k
My trip to Rome, part 1
Message 184 -
2001-04-17 at 21:31:23
Hello
I hope you will find the following mails (or parts thereof) from me
interesting.
To start with, I don't know if I can say, with my heart in it, that a trip
for me starts at the danish airport, but at least the duck-related trip
started there. By buying a thick danish pocketbook, mammooth book no. 7.
This books contains something rather interesting. A story where the
plotwriter was the winner of a contest. That the contest was held some 3
years ago in the usual pocket, the Jumbo no. 200, makes me wonder if the
editor of that found that the story was not good enough for his book. But
I shouldn't talk much of that before I actually read the story. Anyway
it's drawn by the dane Flemming Andersen.
We had a one hour break in Frankfurt (I never saw such big an airport!)
were I was lucky to find new german pocketbook, with stories I haven't
read yet in danish, either because the book isn't out here (They're
somewhat parallel/equal/counterparts) or that I just bought it without
reading it. I also found the german brilliant of a publication, namely the
Donald Duck Sonderheft (Sonder means extra or something near). That issue
is a tribute to Carl Barks, and even the drawing on page 3 was something I
had to have. It was once in a danish Barks book, but in b/w, and Marco
Rota drew it.
Already carrying those treasures we (My mother and I) left for Leonardo da
Vinci airport in Rome.
I have to say that this trip was much a culture trip to me, I tried to lay
a hand on my "need" to buy comics, so that we would also see some things
you have to see in Rome, instead of some old second-hand shop.
1? year ago in Greece the trip was very comic, so to say, but I did get to
see Acropolis and Delphi and such necessary things. But this trip was not
so comic.
I will tell you first what we saw the days, to the ones that will interest
- in the next mail I think) I will tell about what comics I bought, to
those who that would be of interest.
We din't see much the first day, apart from some restaurants that we
didn't want to go into because of the price. We did find a good one in the
end, right across our hotel! ...
The following day, tuesday we went to the Colloseum and Forum Romanum. I'm
also a big fan of Asterix, having read all the albums at least twice, so
the seeing Collesseum was one of the reasons I could call this a
pilgrimmage. Obelix, Asterix' faithfull friend is shown crashing that part
of Colosseum which isn't there today - but the comic is known to be not
that acuurate in History but extremely fun indead.
Wednesay we went to see the Vatican. I can tell you, it takes several
hours to get to the sistine chapel when you can't help wanting to see this
and that on the way, so it took us 3 hours to get there. Also that chaptel
was a part of this pilgrimmage even though I am far from catholic. For
Barks trip in Europe 1994, Vicar made a drawing showing Michelangelo or
himself painting not that one with Adam and God with Eve under the arm,
but one with Donald and Barks with Daisy under the arm!
After seeing that we went to actual Peter's square, which is huge! So is
the church, and it took is a long time to walk around inthere. On the way
home we went into the showroom/Bookstore of the Mondadori publisher in
Italy (publisher of duck comics and many many other books) - I may have to
tell you about what I bought there in the next mail or this will get too
long.
On thursday we must have been on quite a walk to the spanish steps, the
trevi-fontaine and such things, which might not be as famous as those
other things. We also went into a catholic church (The first christian
church, it is said) and took part in the mass on the day of the first
erm... last supper.
It was very interesting, but of course I didn't understand much. Naturally
the monks told about Peter washing Jesu feet, and Judas and those quotings
from the bible that you may now. One thing which is different from the
protestant church we have where I live, is that the the catholic service
is much more holy and magic IMO - Also catholics don't get a cup with a
little wine (blood of Jesus) but the bread (the body) is dipped into the
wine. In the church people could get this last supper at 4 different
places or so.
We were told that the pope would take part in the traditonal walk from
Colloseum to Saint Peter's Chruch on the (long) friday, and we thouyght it
was in the morning. It seemed to be in the evening and the pope did walk
some steps with the cross, but he doesn't look like he's feeling well,
though better than at christmas. He has been suffering from Parkinson's
for some time, but still he can speak so many languages, and cares so much
for the world. I feel sorry for him, but I guess he has to stay in the
"job" untill he ... ?
Instead of going to colosseum we saw The Villa Borghese park and one of
the cathacombs that day. We had read that one of them would be very
crowded that day, because of the holyness, so went to another (I seem to
have shamefully forgotten their names).
On saturday it was pouring down, as the only day. We went to a market, but
it was closed, and we wanted to see some churches, but it was the wrong
time of day. So luckily we had seen the things in Rome that we should see,
and also drove around some times around Colosseum because of a mistake
(wrong busline, or wrong way around...).
So well, it took some time getting home on sunday, as we started out at
8am, had a break of 5 hours in Frankfurt on a sunday, and returned to our
home at 11pm or so. It was a swell (?) trip, secondly because of the many
interesting comics I bought, and I will tell you about those in the next
posting.
Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist
I hope you will find the following mails (or parts thereof) from me
interesting.
To start with, I don't know if I can say, with my heart in it, that a trip
for me starts at the danish airport, but at least the duck-related trip
started there. By buying a thick danish pocketbook, mammooth book no. 7.
This books contains something rather interesting. A story where the
plotwriter was the winner of a contest. That the contest was held some 3
years ago in the usual pocket, the Jumbo no. 200, makes me wonder if the
editor of that found that the story was not good enough for his book. But
I shouldn't talk much of that before I actually read the story. Anyway
it's drawn by the dane Flemming Andersen.
We had a one hour break in Frankfurt (I never saw such big an airport!)
were I was lucky to find new german pocketbook, with stories I haven't
read yet in danish, either because the book isn't out here (They're
somewhat parallel/equal/counterparts) or that I just bought it without
reading it. I also found the german brilliant of a publication, namely the
Donald Duck Sonderheft (Sonder means extra or something near). That issue
is a tribute to Carl Barks, and even the drawing on page 3 was something I
had to have. It was once in a danish Barks book, but in b/w, and Marco
Rota drew it.
Already carrying those treasures we (My mother and I) left for Leonardo da
Vinci airport in Rome.
I have to say that this trip was much a culture trip to me, I tried to lay
a hand on my "need" to buy comics, so that we would also see some things
you have to see in Rome, instead of some old second-hand shop.
1? year ago in Greece the trip was very comic, so to say, but I did get to
see Acropolis and Delphi and such necessary things. But this trip was not
so comic.
I will tell you first what we saw the days, to the ones that will interest
- in the next mail I think) I will tell about what comics I bought, to
those who that would be of interest.
We din't see much the first day, apart from some restaurants that we
didn't want to go into because of the price. We did find a good one in the
end, right across our hotel! ...
The following day, tuesday we went to the Colloseum and Forum Romanum. I'm
also a big fan of Asterix, having read all the albums at least twice, so
the seeing Collesseum was one of the reasons I could call this a
pilgrimmage. Obelix, Asterix' faithfull friend is shown crashing that part
of Colosseum which isn't there today - but the comic is known to be not
that acuurate in History but extremely fun indead.
Wednesay we went to see the Vatican. I can tell you, it takes several
hours to get to the sistine chapel when you can't help wanting to see this
and that on the way, so it took us 3 hours to get there. Also that chaptel
was a part of this pilgrimmage even though I am far from catholic. For
Barks trip in Europe 1994, Vicar made a drawing showing Michelangelo or
himself painting not that one with Adam and God with Eve under the arm,
but one with Donald and Barks with Daisy under the arm!
After seeing that we went to actual Peter's square, which is huge! So is
the church, and it took is a long time to walk around inthere. On the way
home we went into the showroom/Bookstore of the Mondadori publisher in
Italy (publisher of duck comics and many many other books) - I may have to
tell you about what I bought there in the next mail or this will get too
long.
On thursday we must have been on quite a walk to the spanish steps, the
trevi-fontaine and such things, which might not be as famous as those
other things. We also went into a catholic church (The first christian
church, it is said) and took part in the mass on the day of the first
erm... last supper.
It was very interesting, but of course I didn't understand much. Naturally
the monks told about Peter washing Jesu feet, and Judas and those quotings
from the bible that you may now. One thing which is different from the
protestant church we have where I live, is that the the catholic service
is much more holy and magic IMO - Also catholics don't get a cup with a
little wine (blood of Jesus) but the bread (the body) is dipped into the
wine. In the church people could get this last supper at 4 different
places or so.
We were told that the pope would take part in the traditonal walk from
Colloseum to Saint Peter's Chruch on the (long) friday, and we thouyght it
was in the morning. It seemed to be in the evening and the pope did walk
some steps with the cross, but he doesn't look like he's feeling well,
though better than at christmas. He has been suffering from Parkinson's
for some time, but still he can speak so many languages, and cares so much
for the world. I feel sorry for him, but I guess he has to stay in the
"job" untill he ... ?
Instead of going to colosseum we saw The Villa Borghese park and one of
the cathacombs that day. We had read that one of them would be very
crowded that day, because of the holyness, so went to another (I seem to
have shamefully forgotten their names).
On saturday it was pouring down, as the only day. We went to a market, but
it was closed, and we wanted to see some churches, but it was the wrong
time of day. So luckily we had seen the things in Rome that we should see,
and also drove around some times around Colosseum because of a mistake
(wrong busline, or wrong way around...).
So well, it took some time getting home on sunday, as we started out at
8am, had a break of 5 hours in Frankfurt on a sunday, and returned to our
home at 11pm or so. It was a swell (?) trip, secondly because of the many
interesting comics I bought, and I will tell you about those in the next
posting.
Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Answer to Treasure Hunt #2
Message 185 -
2001-04-17 at 21:58:09
OLIVIER, 17-04-2001:
> Treasure Hunt &# 2:
> Where can you find a ball of string... and a stub of pencil?
> Hint: They are not used to tie or write anything.
"Maharajah Donald" (MOC 4), panels 2.2 and 2.6.
Best wishes,
--- Daniel
"I guess most folks are still pretty relaxed at 6:30 A.M.!"
(Which one?) :-)
> Treasure Hunt &# 2:
> Where can you find a ball of string... and a stub of pencil?
> Hint: They are not used to tie or write anything.
"Maharajah Donald" (MOC 4), panels 2.2 and 2.6.
Best wishes,
--- Daniel
"I guess most folks are still pretty relaxed at 6:30 A.M.!"
(Which one?) :-)
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Correction (WDC 52)
Message 186 -
2001-04-17 at 21:58:44
Today, I wrote about WDC 52:
> According to Matti Eronen's book "Surviving Comic Book Art", this page
> survived only because a very eager Donald Duck strip reader wrote to
> Dell Publishing in 1940s and asked for any original Donald Duck strip.
> The point was that he had read newspaper strips, which were drawn by
> Al Taliaferro. Later these two half pages were sold and resold as
> Taliaferro's art, until someone noticed the real artist. On the lower
> half-page there is one correction. Barks has at first drawn stitches on
> the live rat and corrected them on the toy rat (in panel 5.6).
I checked the Carl Barks Library and I think Matti Eronen must have
meant that page *4* survived (instead of page 5).
Reasons:
- The page is shown in his book, identified as page 5, while it's
page 4 in The Carl Barks Library (set 6, page 228).
- Panel 5.6 doesn't show any rats or stitches at all.
Panel 4.6 (with dialogue "There he comes!") shows the toy rat and
the real rat's head.
Best wishes,
--- Daniel
> According to Matti Eronen's book "Surviving Comic Book Art", this page
> survived only because a very eager Donald Duck strip reader wrote to
> Dell Publishing in 1940s and asked for any original Donald Duck strip.
> The point was that he had read newspaper strips, which were drawn by
> Al Taliaferro. Later these two half pages were sold and resold as
> Taliaferro's art, until someone noticed the real artist. On the lower
> half-page there is one correction. Barks has at first drawn stitches on
> the live rat and corrected them on the toy rat (in panel 5.6).
I checked the Carl Barks Library and I think Matti Eronen must have
meant that page *4* survived (instead of page 5).
Reasons:
- The page is shown in his book, identified as page 5, while it's
page 4 in The Carl Barks Library (set 6, page 228).
- Panel 5.6 doesn't show any rats or stitches at all.
Panel 4.6 (with dialogue "There he comes!") shows the toy rat and
the real rat's head.
Best wishes,
--- Daniel
Olivier
Treasure Hunt
Message 187 -
2001-04-17 at 22:41:13
Well, Daniel has unearthed Treasure # 2 already.
Maybe it wasn't buried deep enough.
The stub of pencil and the ball of string appear in
"Maharajah Donald"; the nephews trade the former for
the latter, and so on and-- well, you know the story.
Olivier
Maybe it wasn't buried deep enough.
The stub of pencil and the ball of string appear in
"Maharajah Donald"; the nephews trade the former for
the latter, and so on and-- well, you know the story.
Olivier
SRoweCanoe
What will the future bring
Message 188 -
2001-04-17 at 23:07:39
<<I didn't "complain"... Volunteers are of course free to discuss every
subject they'd like (within the frame of Disney comics). I just wondered
why most of those volunteers (two hundreds members or so) seem to be
mere archaeologists.>>
Cause those of us in the USA have no new comics to discuss!
Steven Rowe
subject they'd like (within the frame of Disney comics). I just wondered
why most of those volunteers (two hundreds members or so) seem to be
mere archaeologists.>>
Cause those of us in the USA have no new comics to discuss!
Steven Rowe
Francesco Spreafico
What will the future bring
Message 189 -
2001-04-18 at 00:35:01
From: "Søren Krarup Olesen" <raptus at stofanet.dk>
> It seems as if no one really cares. New artists like the Italian
> Fabio Celoni amongst others are simply ignored even (apparently) by
the
> Italians themselves. Why is that?!
Mainly 'cause I hate Celoni's art with all my heart :-)
> One might claim, that Celoni sucks(!) well, I couldn't agree less, but
> the fact that no one on this list tells us so is strange.
Here I am! His art definitely sucks IMHO, but I don't mean by this that
he's a bad artist, at all. I just mean he'd better be drawing non-disney
comics. I guess that some of our Italian young artists would make
*great* Marvel artist (and I'm definitely thinking about Celoni when I
say this), they just can't seem to be able to draw a duck.
> In Italy we
> have at least 10 artists that produce and create art, which go far
> beyond what Rosa & Co. could ever hope to achieve in both story
telling
> and "plain" art. There is so much great art here and so much fun and
> brilliant jokes and...
Uh? 'Scuse me sir ;-), but where? 90% of the new stories produced in
Italy nowadays is crap, and there's no one who'll tell you they're not.
Still, if you're talking about the remaining 10% (that's still a damn
lot of stories, since there are so many new ones here...), well, that's
true we rarely talk about it, and a reason might simply be that they're
drowned by the low-quality stuff.
> and... but it all comes down to "what's the colour
> of money" and whether Duckburg is placed in California or Peru.
Well, I found those topics quite interesting myself, since in Italy
Duckburg and Mouseton have always been in USA (and BTW, if I'm not
mistaken, Mickey's town "Topolinia" was "made-up" in Italy... maybe in a
Scarpa's story? I don't remember... written by Guido Martina I think
anyway)
> I do
> myself find these topics interesting for academic reasons as well, but
> what happened to critisism on newer artists. Are they simply ignored,
> since they don't fit in the Rosa mainstream or what?! (Sorry, Don,
this
> has nothing to do with you personally or professionally)
No, that's got nothing to do with it. Oh well, I get a little annoyed
when I still find new stories in which they address to Grandma Duck as
if she were Scrooge's sister (I understand that there had been such
mistake in translations decades ago, but now it should have been pretty
settled that they're not related).
But besides that, no... for example I'll love forever "Storia e Gloria
della dinastia dei Paperi" a 1970 Martina/Scarpa/Carpi story in which US
was born in Klondike (!)
> Some four years back, Ole wrote to me, that the Americans should be
> excused in this context, since they never had the change to read
> stories where Scrooge's money bin was placed elsewhere, like e.g. in
the
> middle of the city and not on the hill. However, thing are not static,
> and especially not as far as Disney comics are concerned.
What do you mean "static"? In Italian stories they're all but static...
actually I do hate this lack of continuity in Italian stories, and it is
probably one of the reasons I love so much Romano Scarpa's stories...
because they have continuity. But probably you weren't talking about
this now.
> Things *do* develop, but this development is not reflected on this
> mailing list IMO. Do we have debates on new characters developed by
the
> Egmont team? Nope! Do we try to analyse or at least comment on new
> trends in comic creation. Not the slightest bit. It's all about poor
> translations or microscopic details about dates, colours, you name
it...
Well, in Italy new trends generally mean bad trends, and that's the main
reason we don't talk about'em.
Still we have good things, and good artists... Silvia Ziche for example,
but, how could we start a thread about her "Papero del Mistero". I mean
we could, but experience tells me that it wouldn't interest people so
much... well, *this* is quite strange, I know.
BTW, talking about new Italian trends... no one seems to have said
anything at all yet about the new Italian Disney comic "Witch", a comic
that has the "disney" brand, but has no ducks, has no mice, has no
animals at all, just has a few human girls quite manga-style in it.
(Actually its target is girls)
And it's made by one of those artists I don't like at all when they're
doing ducks, Alessandro Barbucci... remember his "Paperino Paperotto"?
Well, I happened to like this "Witch" better than anything he has
previously made for Disney Italia.
> Hey, great rock band you've got there, nice tunes and all, but it's
> nothing like Mozart, so why don't you just pack your gear and close
the
> door behind you.
There are many "things" like mozart, even in "Rock bands" :-)
--
Sprea
http://digilander.iol.it/sgrizzo (Scarpa)
http://heinlein.cjb.net (RAH)
> It seems as if no one really cares. New artists like the Italian
> Fabio Celoni amongst others are simply ignored even (apparently) by
the
> Italians themselves. Why is that?!
Mainly 'cause I hate Celoni's art with all my heart :-)
> One might claim, that Celoni sucks(!) well, I couldn't agree less, but
> the fact that no one on this list tells us so is strange.
Here I am! His art definitely sucks IMHO, but I don't mean by this that
he's a bad artist, at all. I just mean he'd better be drawing non-disney
comics. I guess that some of our Italian young artists would make
*great* Marvel artist (and I'm definitely thinking about Celoni when I
say this), they just can't seem to be able to draw a duck.
> In Italy we
> have at least 10 artists that produce and create art, which go far
> beyond what Rosa & Co. could ever hope to achieve in both story
telling
> and "plain" art. There is so much great art here and so much fun and
> brilliant jokes and...
Uh? 'Scuse me sir ;-), but where? 90% of the new stories produced in
Italy nowadays is crap, and there's no one who'll tell you they're not.
Still, if you're talking about the remaining 10% (that's still a damn
lot of stories, since there are so many new ones here...), well, that's
true we rarely talk about it, and a reason might simply be that they're
drowned by the low-quality stuff.
> and... but it all comes down to "what's the colour
> of money" and whether Duckburg is placed in California or Peru.
Well, I found those topics quite interesting myself, since in Italy
Duckburg and Mouseton have always been in USA (and BTW, if I'm not
mistaken, Mickey's town "Topolinia" was "made-up" in Italy... maybe in a
Scarpa's story? I don't remember... written by Guido Martina I think
anyway)
> I do
> myself find these topics interesting for academic reasons as well, but
> what happened to critisism on newer artists. Are they simply ignored,
> since they don't fit in the Rosa mainstream or what?! (Sorry, Don,
this
> has nothing to do with you personally or professionally)
No, that's got nothing to do with it. Oh well, I get a little annoyed
when I still find new stories in which they address to Grandma Duck as
if she were Scrooge's sister (I understand that there had been such
mistake in translations decades ago, but now it should have been pretty
settled that they're not related).
But besides that, no... for example I'll love forever "Storia e Gloria
della dinastia dei Paperi" a 1970 Martina/Scarpa/Carpi story in which US
was born in Klondike (!)
> Some four years back, Ole wrote to me, that the Americans should be
> excused in this context, since they never had the change to read
> stories where Scrooge's money bin was placed elsewhere, like e.g. in
the
> middle of the city and not on the hill. However, thing are not static,
> and especially not as far as Disney comics are concerned.
What do you mean "static"? In Italian stories they're all but static...
actually I do hate this lack of continuity in Italian stories, and it is
probably one of the reasons I love so much Romano Scarpa's stories...
because they have continuity. But probably you weren't talking about
this now.
> Things *do* develop, but this development is not reflected on this
> mailing list IMO. Do we have debates on new characters developed by
the
> Egmont team? Nope! Do we try to analyse or at least comment on new
> trends in comic creation. Not the slightest bit. It's all about poor
> translations or microscopic details about dates, colours, you name
it...
Well, in Italy new trends generally mean bad trends, and that's the main
reason we don't talk about'em.
Still we have good things, and good artists... Silvia Ziche for example,
but, how could we start a thread about her "Papero del Mistero". I mean
we could, but experience tells me that it wouldn't interest people so
much... well, *this* is quite strange, I know.
BTW, talking about new Italian trends... no one seems to have said
anything at all yet about the new Italian Disney comic "Witch", a comic
that has the "disney" brand, but has no ducks, has no mice, has no
animals at all, just has a few human girls quite manga-style in it.
(Actually its target is girls)
And it's made by one of those artists I don't like at all when they're
doing ducks, Alessandro Barbucci... remember his "Paperino Paperotto"?
Well, I happened to like this "Witch" better than anything he has
previously made for Disney Italia.
> Hey, great rock band you've got there, nice tunes and all, but it's
> nothing like Mozart, so why don't you just pack your gear and close
the
> door behind you.
There are many "things" like mozart, even in "Rock bands" :-)
--
Sprea
http://digilander.iol.it/sgrizzo (Scarpa)
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Francesco Spreafico
DCML digest #480
Message 190 -
2001-04-18 at 00:40:20
From: "Don Rosa" <donrosa at iglou.com>
> But then, why don't a pack of Italians get on here and discuss the
stories?
> My Euro-travel experience tells me that this *might* be because
Italians
> are generally not as comfortable with English as the Northern
Europeans,
> and since the "official language" of this site is English, they stay
away
> in droves.
This might be a reason. But still... you've posted a couple of times on
the Italian comics newsgroup, and you have seen that there's no one
there talking about Disney comics; that is, no one but me, but certainly
I can't speak alone. So I think that the reason is not the language, but
the low quality of the stories; all the times I manage in getting
talking about disney comics on that newsgroup after some messages the
thread goes "Oh, good ol' times, there were so many good stories, while
today... sigh..." and then the thread dies. And unfortunately that's not
nostalgia as one might think, that is just the truth.
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> But then, why don't a pack of Italians get on here and discuss the
stories?
> My Euro-travel experience tells me that this *might* be because
Italians
> are generally not as comfortable with English as the Northern
Europeans,
> and since the "official language" of this site is English, they stay
away
> in droves.
This might be a reason. But still... you've posted a couple of times on
the Italian comics newsgroup, and you have seen that there's no one
there talking about Disney comics; that is, no one but me, but certainly
I can't speak alone. So I think that the reason is not the language, but
the low quality of the stories; all the times I manage in getting
talking about disney comics on that newsgroup after some messages the
thread goes "Oh, good ol' times, there were so many good stories, while
today... sigh..." and then the thread dies. And unfortunately that's not
nostalgia as one might think, that is just the truth.
--
Sprea
http://digilander.iol.it/sgrizzo (Scarpa)
http://heinlein.cjb.net (RAH)
Angelo Toti
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Message 191 -
2001-04-18 at 00:52:29
I used some other sites to build a
best-of-Disney-comics sites. There's no need to make
all that fuss.
I have now deleted all pages because I plan to make a
much better website, this time without stealing.
To Donald Markstein: don't worry, I won't use your
site because it is all crap.
Angelo
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best-of-Disney-comics sites. There's no need to make
all that fuss.
I have now deleted all pages because I plan to make a
much better website, this time without stealing.
To Donald Markstein: don't worry, I won't use your
site because it is all crap.
Angelo
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Francesco Spreafico
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Message 192 -
2001-04-18 at 00:54:27
From: "Søren Krarup Olesen" <raptus at stofanet.dk>
> I certainly would like to do so, but who cares if I find Valerio Held
a
> genious or likewise.
Oh, pretty please! I hope likewise (Well, *you* asked for discussions!
;-))
He draws huge hats! I'll never understand why he makes them so huge, a
normal head would fall into those hats!
Besides that, he's quite a Gatto's clone after all, isn't it?
> It doesn't have any effect, since no one knows
> this guy anyway (except for a few Italians).
Well, no I think his stories are translated in all Europe, and south
america, aren't they?
> Similarly, I think that
> Antonio Bancells might be one of the worst artists ever, taking into
> consideration the emmence influence he has had (and still has) on
Egmont
> material for decades. Although I probably could write many pages on
> why I find this or that artist/writer brilliant or not, no one would
> ever care. Tony Bancells has probably drawn more pages than most other
> artists (including Don), but this fact stands unconcerned.
Even Giuseppe Perego has drwon tons of pages, this doesn't make him a
great artist (even though I have to say I appreciate many of his stories
very much, and I'm sometimes tempted to find his name in the Phone book
and go check if he's still among us, and chat a bit, since his hometown
is not very far from here)
> There are two possibilities here, either 1) Tony is a heck of a
> genious, no reason to comment on his splendid art, or 2) Tony's art is
> so terrible, that there is no reason to comment on this IMO utterly
> boring art. So, which one is it? Surely, this mailing list won't
> disclose the answer.
Lemme go see who this Bancelles is..
f/p45 ABc d1|d D >ABC.txt ;-)
Oh, Geez.. well, I choose answer number 2 :-)
> Could it be, that although pocket books sell quite well in Europe,
most
> list members feel that this material is not worth mentioning, only for
> the reason that Rosa/Barks stories are rarely printed here?
Uh? Why care at all about that? I don't think that could be a "reason".
> Do pocket books contain stories that are too low, display art so
> hideous to the eye and stories so badly written, that using the word
> "art" itself is questionable. I think not.
I do, recently, but I don't think that happens on "pocket books".. I
mean that's not related to the layout. (For example many PKNA are awful,
and they're not pocket books)
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> I certainly would like to do so, but who cares if I find Valerio Held
a
> genious or likewise.
Oh, pretty please! I hope likewise (Well, *you* asked for discussions!
;-))
He draws huge hats! I'll never understand why he makes them so huge, a
normal head would fall into those hats!
Besides that, he's quite a Gatto's clone after all, isn't it?
> It doesn't have any effect, since no one knows
> this guy anyway (except for a few Italians).
Well, no I think his stories are translated in all Europe, and south
america, aren't they?
> Similarly, I think that
> Antonio Bancells might be one of the worst artists ever, taking into
> consideration the emmence influence he has had (and still has) on
Egmont
> material for decades. Although I probably could write many pages on
> why I find this or that artist/writer brilliant or not, no one would
> ever care. Tony Bancells has probably drawn more pages than most other
> artists (including Don), but this fact stands unconcerned.
Even Giuseppe Perego has drwon tons of pages, this doesn't make him a
great artist (even though I have to say I appreciate many of his stories
very much, and I'm sometimes tempted to find his name in the Phone book
and go check if he's still among us, and chat a bit, since his hometown
is not very far from here)
> There are two possibilities here, either 1) Tony is a heck of a
> genious, no reason to comment on his splendid art, or 2) Tony's art is
> so terrible, that there is no reason to comment on this IMO utterly
> boring art. So, which one is it? Surely, this mailing list won't
> disclose the answer.
Lemme go see who this Bancelles is..
f/p45 ABc d1|d D >ABC.txt ;-)
Oh, Geez.. well, I choose answer number 2 :-)
> Could it be, that although pocket books sell quite well in Europe,
most
> list members feel that this material is not worth mentioning, only for
> the reason that Rosa/Barks stories are rarely printed here?
Uh? Why care at all about that? I don't think that could be a "reason".
> Do pocket books contain stories that are too low, display art so
> hideous to the eye and stories so badly written, that using the word
> "art" itself is questionable. I think not.
I do, recently, but I don't think that happens on "pocket books".. I
mean that's not related to the layout. (For example many PKNA are awful,
and they're not pocket books)
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Sprea
http://digilander.iol.it/sgrizzo (Scarpa)
http://heinlein.cjb.net (RAH)
SRoweCanoe
Site down - new one in the making
Message 193 -
2001-04-18 at 01:24:31
<<To Donald Markstein: don't worry, I won't use your
site because it is all crap.>>
LOL, as many of us know, Donald Markstein is a long tim (like decades) BNF, and couldn't do crap if he wanted too.
I've been to his website (but not recently), it is a gem!
Steven Rowe
site because it is all crap.>>
LOL, as many of us know, Donald Markstein is a long tim (like decades) BNF, and couldn't do crap if he wanted too.
I've been to his website (but not recently), it is a gem!
Steven Rowe
Apostolis Trikourakis
Site down - new one in the making
Message 194 -
2001-04-18 at 01:39:51
Hi all
Angelo Toti wrote:
> To Donald Markstein: don't worry, I won't use your
> site because it is all crap.
I think your site was crap at all. You stole stuff
from all over the internet disney sites. Who you think
you are by saying us that our pages are crap when the
same time you're stealing *from* us? Now, whose page
is CRAP? You should be shamed!
(Non)Best Wishes
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Angelo Toti wrote:
> To Donald Markstein: don't worry, I won't use your
> site because it is all crap.
I think your site was crap at all. You stole stuff
from all over the internet disney sites. Who you think
you are by saying us that our pages are crap when the
same time you're stealing *from* us? Now, whose page
is CRAP? You should be shamed!
(Non)Best Wishes
=====
Apostolis Trikourakis, Athens, Greece
E-mail: komixgreekpage at yahoo.com
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/komixgreekpage
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Thierry Fernand
What will the future bring
Message 195 -
2001-04-18 at 03:31:13
About that Italian Disney comics discussion thing...
Do we discuss the good Heymans (or other) Dutch stories on
this mailing list? Or the good Brazilian stories?
And Taliaferro/Gottfredson? This seldom happens.
So my opinion is that most people are just more interested
in Barks/Rosa than the rest. And I think that's what the
editorial line of Gladstone showed.
Note that this is NOT my personal opinion; I do think that
Italian artists and writers (and others) do deserve more
attention. I really like the "Papero del mistero" for
instance (problem is that this series is not published here
in France).
Favio
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Do we discuss the good Heymans (or other) Dutch stories on
this mailing list? Or the good Brazilian stories?
And Taliaferro/Gottfredson? This seldom happens.
So my opinion is that most people are just more interested
in Barks/Rosa than the rest. And I think that's what the
editorial line of Gladstone showed.
Note that this is NOT my personal opinion; I do think that
Italian artists and writers (and others) do deserve more
attention. I really like the "Papero del mistero" for
instance (problem is that this series is not published here
in France).
Favio
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