Keskustelujen arkisto

Hello!

Daniel:
>>Are there other Barks stories in which Scrooge refers to himself as a
>>poor old man/duck?
I think it is quite recurrent. Gotta check.

>>Which ones do you mean? Can you quote them again?
Sure.
Treasure Hunt # 1:
In which story can you find an old horsecar ticket & a wolf trap?
Hint: A Donald ten-pager in which Donald plays a particular record
I have received the answer for Treasure Hunt #1
but you have a couple more days to find out what it was.
Quiz:
er--- actually I mixed it up: no one could have found the answer,
since I was posting it in the same message I asked if anyone had an idea... : )
It's the one you have:
"Don't worry! *We* ' ll get you out!"
(Barks story; hint: not a 10-pager)

Vitamin Zee hint:
So it *is* a JW story. That's what I thought. I'm trying to *recall* and *infer*
where the quotes come from rather than going through all the stories.

On March 22, 2001, you wrote: "Quote quiz # 3: Remember "file 90L-6F" ?"
I can't remember this one being answered. It's "North of the Yukon"
(US 59), panel 6.3.
Correct. I remember Harry explained what it meant; I'm not sure it was actually
answered either.

And here's another tough one in the same line (Quiz 4):
"No. E 12278464 B , No. D 17913149 B, No. J 86556958 A are missing"

Good luck!

Olivier

S?ren Krarup Olesen wrote an excellent message that I quite agree with! But
I can't do much more than agree. I have always wondered why there is not
much discussion, or actually NO discussion, about the incredible array of
Italian artists who have been producing Duck (& mouse?) stories for
decades, and all of whom make me and others look like so much chopped
liver. But I can't contribute to such a discussion since I can't read any
of their stories and can't even come to a full appreciation of their art
without being able to do so -- that Italian art is too radically different
from anything we Americans have ever seen in a Disney comic, and it would
require reading the stories to come to a complete understanding of what the
artists are trying to do.
But then, why don't a pack of Italians get on here and discuss the stories?
My Euro-travel experience tells me that this *might* be because Italians
are generally not as comfortable with English as the Northern Europeans,
and since the "official language" of this site is English, they stay away
in droves. Our loss. (Especially *my* loss since Italy is my lost
homeland!) On the other hand, the Italian stories have appeared in the
North for decades in the digests -- don't those editions carry the artists'
and writers' names?
Still, no matter what amount of discussion there was about the Italian
artists, it wouldn't benefit us in America since we have never had any
exposure to those comics and probably never will (nor probably any other
Disney comics from now on). But it would still be nice to see more
discussion about them and all the other cartoonists. One of my philosophies
in life is that you should constantly endeavor to learn all you can about
what you like, and to *also* learn all that there is to learn *about*.

Olaf Solstrand also wrote an interesting message that I won't attempt to
quote from. But I will say that I am always quite pleased when someone says
they like my stories and the amount of extra work I put into them, and I am
very gratified if they decide that my stories seem to be their favorites --
I mean, of course this pleases me, how could it not? However, my purpose is
*not* to create stories that compel a reader to accept *my* stories and
*reject* all the others. I have always claimed that the strength in these
comics and the hope of the future of these comics is that they maintain a
variety of types of stories for a variety of types of readers, not in
trying to limit their readership to the lowest (or highest?) common
denominator. Hypothetically speaking, if all readers "accepted" only *my*
stories and no others, and since my stories appear only a few times a year,
these comics would be outta business in about 3 months, and readers would
no longer see my stories or *any* stories. The backbone of these comics is
the sort of variety that has been lost in American entertainment for about
30-40 years. If you reject all other writers' & artists' work
automatically, you're limiting your horizons and you're going to miss a lot
of great stuff (including work by actual *trained* cartoonists who actually
know what they're doing when they put pen to paper, and are not just doing
fanboy fanzine stories like I do for my niche of the readership). So, sure,
I hope you'll continue to enjoy my stories, but don't limit yourself... and
maybe that's not what you meant, anyway, so fine & dandy.

>
>From: Angelo Toti <donald313us at yahoo.com>
>http://www.geocities.com/donald313us/fandom.html

I too looked at your page and found something looking like copies of
S?rens, Francoiss and the Inducks pages. Why are you doing this I ask as
many others here? It would be egoistic to talk much baout duckhunt which
you also copied. As said, We don't know your reasons, maybe you've never
heard of the concept of linking to a page, not copying it to place it on
your own. (How do you have room for it on your webplace anyway?).
It's simply plain robbery, but our pages are made by ourselves and we
didn't take copyright on them, as small or bigger parts are related to
someone elses copyright. I am not sure what we can do about you.
Mailbombing is pretty rude, and I have other things to do, but there's no
web police as far as I know. If there was it would probably take many
other pages in the run.

S?REN
>
>Subject: What will the future bring

I read your mail, and what I read in it, that we should talk more about
what's happening right now, in the duck-realted world and comics? Maybe my
upcoming report on my pilgimage (!) to Italy well be a try to do so, but I
hope you people here will tell me what you think such a report - IT will
be somehow related to one I made back in '98 or so, after a trip to
Norway/Sweden
>
>
>Reading this very nice story, I wonder how much time we spend on
>current events in the Disney comics arena. When will Don Rosa get his
>next story published, and how was that inspired (or not) by late Carl
>Barks.
I do wonder if anyone here can answer that, even though it might not have
been what you meant to say.
Usually you can go to duckhunt an check, but I've no idea when the story
will come out. Maybe Don can tell how long the story has come by now.

Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist

Hi!

I´d like to know what kind of books there were published around the globe to
celebrate Barks' 100th anniversary? I know those Swedish, Danish and Italian
books, but was there some others too? Well in Finland of course we had
"Vuosisadan ankat" (Ducks of the century) with Barks' own favorites
(excluding Lost in the Andes, since it was published in a book just a year
aerlier) with comments by Barks himself (!) plus Donald Ault preface.
What was the content of Swedish and Danish books, I think they were similar?
I´d like to collect this info together.

Timo

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David Gerstein & Daniel Eijmeren have dug up the first treasure!
Reminder & one more hint for fellow hunters:
In which story can you find an old horsecar ticket & a wolf trap?
Hints: A Donald ten-pager in which Donald plays a particular record
Are you missing something? The answer may be in this story...

Daniel also blitz-answered Quiz 4:
>>> "No. E 12278464 B , No. D 17913149 B, No. J 86556958 A are missing"
>"The Case of the Sticky Money" (US 42), panel 6.4.
>Could these numbers have been *real* greenback serial numbers?
>If so, then (in theory) it must be possible to get greenbacks which are
>"proved" to have been in Scrooge's money bin. :-)
Right! Hadn't thought of that. Funny thing.

Treasure Hunt &# 2:
Where can you find a ball of string... and a stub of pencil?
Hint: They are not used to tie or write anything.

S?ren:
I think it always boils down to Barks , Rosa , Murry; ..., because their stories are the
most wide-spread an well-known, not out of contempt for the other authors / artists.
I'd certainly like to read about other comics / artists, too, though I couldn't contribute much
this way: I am not a regular buyer of the French Disney magazines (shame on me
for missing this opportunity other countries don't have).
I stopped buying them regularly in the late '80s when they changed and "modernized"
to appeal to the next generation. The covers were hideously modern and the stories
uninteresting. I kept looking for the classics in the original language and finally found them
in '94. So for some ten years now I have only bought the special issues of the French
magazines. Sometimes I have thumb through other issues at the bookstore but am
not tempted enough; the cover of a recent Mickey Parade (announcing the introduction
of new ratface characters) rather repelled me in fact. The story and characters may have
turned out all right, but I just wasn't attracted.
For instance, I know Paperinik (Fantomiald in French), but not the modern one. I would
very much like to read some of these stories. Are there scans available somewhere?
To paraphrase Olaf, this Donald & these stories can't be part of the universe we know,
but they seem rather enjoyable nonetheless, judging from the couple of scans on the
official site-- you may think of them as dreams Donald makes. The covers are great:
the coloring is amazing!
There are artists I like very much but don't know their names. I've been wanting to scan
a few panels to ask for some time now but haven't done it yet. (Or check on the COA
using the story code)

Olivier

PS:
I made a mistake and used my private e-mail for the previous message.
Please use *this one*.

HARRY:

> > [...] And how do we buy Carl Barks oils on ebay?!
>
> The last question was not raised here recently, actually.
> Daniël just refers to Ebay now and then, to point us to interesting Barks
> material that he hasn't seen anywhere else before.

Avoiding the issue, are we? ;-) No, you're right. I should have written
"interesting material by Carls Barks on ebay" or something like that,
but that was not my point.

> > what happened to critisism on newer artists. Are they simply ignored,
> > since they don't fit in the Rosa mainstream or what?!
>
> I don't think it's fair to complain about the contents of a mailing list
> that's completely filled by volunteers.

I didn't "complain"... Volunteers are of course free to discuss every
subject they'd like (within the frame of Disney comics). I just wondered
why most of those volunteers (two hundreds members or so) seem to be
mere archaeologists. I perfectly well know, that we do not constitute a
pure panel of highlighted critics and reviewers, still a bit more
keeping in touch with what's "cooking" on the other scenes than that of
the American, is something I miss here--I wouldn't dare or have any
reason to complain about the lack of it, just plain wondering, that's
all.

Perhaps I should add, that this has nothing to do with the "American
style" whatsoever. Younger American artists like Noel van Horn are
never mentioned on this list either--his Goofy being extremely well
drawn BTW.

> If you think something's missing here, then start a thread about it.
> If you don't get a reply, then try to get people on DCML that *do*
> reply.

I certainly would like to do so, but who cares if I find Valerio Held a
genious or likewise. It doesn't have any effect, since no one knows
this guy anyway (except for a few Italians). Similarly, I think that
Antonio Bancells might be one of the worst artists ever, taking into
consideration the emmence influence he has had (and still has) on Egmont
material for decades. Although I probably could write many pages on
why I find this or that artist/writer brilliant or not, no one would
ever care. Tony Bancells has probably drawn more pages than most other
artists (including Don), but this fact stands unconcerned.

There are two possibilities here, either 1) Tony is a heck of a
genious, no reason to comment on his splendid art, or 2) Tony's art is
so terrible, that there is no reason to comment on this IMO utterly
boring art. So, which one is it? Surely, this mailing list won't
disclose the answer.

Could it be, that although pocket books sell quite well in Europe, most
list members feel that this material is not worth mentioning, only for
the reason that Rosa/Barks stories are rarely printed here?

Do pocket books contain stories that are too low, display art so
hideous to the eye and stories so badly written, that using the word
"art" itself is questionable. I think not.

Consider this the beginning of a thread, Harry :-)

Søren

Timo:

> I?d like to know what kind of books there were published
> around the globe to
> celebrate Barks' 100th anniversary?

No trace of any special book or activity in Holland...

--Harry.