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Donald: Thanks for it
>
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SPREA:
>
>They've always been brother and sister here in Italy, due, probably, to a
>mistake made by a translator a long ago (or maybe somebody just thought
>they coulde be bother and sisters and wrote so... weird, since a "uncle"
>can hardly be brother of a "grandma" :-)
You're right. In Sweden btw. Scrooge is named as Donal'd uncle to his
father's side, which is comepletly wrong. but in Swden the term farbror
which means uncle is also just the distant realtive that you can't call
anything else than uncle.

>> I hope you know Cicero, a great roman speaker, a book sotre was named
>> after him and I also visited there. I browsed another book from the
>series
>> of classic comics, with Scrooge. It contained among many Barks and
>italian
>> stories two by Don, Xanadu and A little Something Special. I thought I
>had
>> book enough allready and left it.
>
>Aaaarghhh!!! I have to tell you you left behind a book reprinting what is
>considered by many the best Disney stories *ever*, and if not the best,
>certainly among the best! Romano Scarpa's "Paperino e la leggenda dello
>Scozzese Volante"! That's too bad you missed it!!
Don't worry, I do have that story, maybe censored by german, in an early
german pocketbook. I didn't notice it in the book btw. Was it b/w or
colored? Maybe I wasn't focussing on Scarpa in that moment, or maybe I'm
not that good at recognizing his style. I don't think we ever saw the
story in Denmark.

>
>
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>From: Klaus Harms <harms313 at web.de>
Interesting news Klaus.
That Micky Maus looks to me as something some insane fans, other than the
ones you asked have done. If there's a bastel-thing (cardboard for making
Duckburg) in it, then it sounds like someone from www.comicforum.de as
people there recently talked of the old days with card boards with things
you had to put together. Today the kid readers want to throw green glue at
eachother or play PC....

Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist

Thierry:

> Taliaferro was a great artist, one of my favourite, but his
> duck remained strips only, with a few exceptions (the early
> Danish works by Rydahl, the early Italian works by
> Carpi/Bottaro/Scarpa).

Plus, to plug my own country a bit, the early Dutch comic stories by Ed
Lukacs.

--Harry.

I agree that crediting your self with someone else's work is not fair but I
see nothing wrong with useing someone else's work on you page as long as you
give them credit for it.
As the Internet is freedom of information.

Kenneth

Anders Christian Sivebæk sez:

>>I am not sure what we can do about you.
>>Mailbombing is pretty rude, and I have other things to do, but
>>there's no web police as far as I know.

If Mr. Totti reads the Yahoo/Geocities Terms of Service, he will find that
what he is doing is not allowed by his server. The people whose work he has
stolen do NOT have to grin and bear it. A complaint to Yahoo/Geocities will
result in the removal of the stolen pages, if not his entire site.

I assure you, if the little thief ever touches any of the Disney pages on MY
Web site, he will find himself very quickly shut down.

Quack, Don

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Re: The discussion about the Italian comics

I really do like some Italian comics - even the new ones. I especially
enjoyed the much hated "Paperinik New Adventures", past tense of
"enjoy" as in "cancelled title".

Granted, it had it flaws. But still: continuation is so rare in
Disney comics and it really improves the readability. While it
PKNA wasn't perfect, it's average quality was above any other Finnish
weekly/monthly -publication: Aku Ankka does print Barks/Rosa/etc.
comics regularly but they print lots of other - not so good - stuff
even more regularly. Kuukauden sarjisekstra brings nice variety
to the Aku Ankka's normal Danish-mix, but still... and so on.

To summarize my point: Sob, sob, sob... this is *so* wrong. *They*
always cancel the ones I like. :-)

--
Ari Seppi (mani at sci.fi)
Erittin fanaattinen Disney-sarjakuvien ja Harry Potter -kirjojen palvoja
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Favio wrote:
> I bet that Italy has the record (if only for amator
> publications which I think should be counted). [...]
> Also, 10 pages is a "usual" story for the Dutch weekly, while in
> Italy, a "normal" story is 30 pages long (or was, until
> recently) and - more or less - in many French publications
> which were inspired by Italian ones. This may explain while
> the most reprinted stories in France are long adventures,
> and not ten-pagers as in the Netherlands.
> I would be interested to hear about the Italian record BTW,
> if somebody has it.

Indeed, long adventures are the most featured reprints in Italy, too.

I'm not 100% sure about the record-holder, as the Inducks data are still
incomplete, but a good candidate is "The Ghost of the Grotto" (Four Color
159), recently reprinted for the 13th time in "Tesori 3"...

Ciao,
Armando

Harry wrote:

>But that's *only* 7 times! That same story has been
>printed in Holland 11 times:
>
>DD1952-01*,DD1971-50*,BV 1,DDJ1952 1*,DDJ1952 2*,DDFAC
>1*,JUB 1,AKVCB 3,AKV 3,MA1992-32,DD2000-36*.

Record in France is AFAIK 9 publications, for "The Magic
Hourglass" and "Luck of the North". But, both include a
Belgian Mickey Mouse reprint.

I bet that Italy has the record (if only for amator
publications which I think should be counted). BUT 11 still
is a very high number, which I think has to do with the
tradition in your country. I have the impression that the
Dutch always loved Barks' comics more than any other nordic
country. For instance when Daan Jippes was art director, in
the mid-70s instead of publishing Studio stories (as
Hachette was doing) you published many Barks stories. Also,
10 pages is a "usual" story for the Dutch weekly, while in
Italy, a "normal" story is 30 pages long (or was, until
recently) and - more or less - in many French publications
which were inspired by Italian ones. This may explain while
the most reprinted stories in France are long adventures,
and not ten-pagers as in the Netherlands.

I would be interested to hear about the Italian record BTW,
if somebody has it.

Favio
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Timo Ronkainen:
<<Who wrote article/s to Swedish/Danish/Norwegian
Barks 100 book? I can?t find any info about these books
in official Disney-pages anymore. No sight of them after
that Barks-birthday week when they had that voting thing
there. Do not they want to sell/advertise those books? >>

The (relatively short) introduction to the Egmont "Barks' Best"
book has been written by ?ystein S?rensen, professor of history
at the University of Oslo. (Introductions to the year-by-year
"Complete Volumes of Donald Duck & Co.", a great success
also in the selling sense of the word, have by comparison
much more serious and long introductions. So far Egmont
Norway have issued 1948-1949, 1950, 1951-I, 1951-II,
1952-I, 1952-II, 1953-I, 1953-II, 1953-II. But this was
a footnote.) His preface has simply been translated into
Danish and Swedish. In addition there are (very) short
introductions to each of the stories in the book.

Otherwise I agree regarding the web pages of Egmont Donald Duck
Norway/Anders And Denmark/Kalle Anke Sweden. They are kept
in strict simultaneous control, obviously. They are not kept
well up to date; their sections on "recommended literature"
are not well worked through; more typographical-grammatical-
orthographical errors (shudder) slip through to these pages
than to the published pages in the magazines. (Example du jour:
"Littaratur [sic] for den ivrige Donald-forsker"...)

As Timo I find it particularly strange that the very recent
"Barks' Best" is now suddenly invisible on the web pages.
Similarly it does not seem possible to find out for example
about the "Complete Volumes" (how to buy an issue of interest,
how to find out which volume has a scholarly preface by
S?rensen) or the "Finally Back!" series.

One would hope that these web pages, which I assume are
visited by many (younger) readers, are given higher priority
by the Egmont offices.

Nils Lid Hjort

Hello to everybody!!

I am Gabriella from Italy, a Disney-comics lovers since... years.
I have been lurking on the list for a long time, but I have been forced to de - lurk by this message by

Don Rosa:>
>I have always wondered why there is not much discussion, or actually NO discussion, about the incredible array of
Italian artists who have been producing Duck (& mouse?) stories

someone has already answered to this: we do get a huge production here, but often quantity is not equal to quality, and the issue is also not good drawing, but good story - telling.

I love Cavazzano, Carpi, Scarpa, De Vita, Rota and others, and I spend a lot of money for my Disney comics every month, but what I receive back sometimes is... not so worth.

> But it would still be nice to see more discussion about them and all the other cartoonists. One of my philosophies
>in life is that you should constantly endeavor to learn all you can about what you like, and to *also* learn all that there is to learn *about*.

sometimes it is not easy for me, as I have always read Barks' stories in Italian, and I do not recognize titles and names of characters when I read the mails, and there are very good passionate people who answer the questions before I manage to understand the questions ;-))

anyway, if you want discussion about Italian Disney comics, everybody is welcome!!

ciao to all
Gabriella

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