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Don Rosa
From: "Fluks, H.W." <H.W.Fluks at kpn.com>
>>>Thanks for the explanation! So I *do* need those two pages in their
complete
form! You're saying they are not interesting, but that's not the point. I'm
a collector of your stories. And I'm an indexer. I need to have things
complete. (It's a disease, I know.)

Don't I know it! I'm a carrier. Okay, next time we exchange the stuff we
exchange, remind me and I'll make copies of those missing panels for you.
But sh -- don't tell anybody!

>>>Maybe, in the future, there will be a "Don Rosa part 3", with *all* your
other non-Disney and pseudo-Disney artwork in it. I'm sure that fills
another 200 pages easily...

It would fill about 1,000 pages easily! Perhaps 2,000? First you have the
dozens of elaborate full-color private commission pieces I've done for the
past 14 years for fans, then there's the half-dozen other fanzine strips I
did (mostly sword & sorcery or horror or SF), then the many hundreds of
fanzine illustrations and covers I did in the 70's, then the hundreds of
political cartoons I did in college, then the hundreds of pages of comics I
did in high school for my friends and all the work I did for the high
school papers, then the cartoons in my grade school paper, and THEN there
are the hundreds of full comic stories that I wrote and drew as a kiddie
from age 7 to about 15, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF WHICH I STILL HAVE. But you
don't wanna see ALL that stuff! I mean, at some point you'll be forced to
scream, "whoaa -- this is crap!"
But hey, speakin' of crap, have we ever seen anyone as full of the stuff as
Angelo Toti/Totti? Wotta laff riot!!!
Fluks, H.W.
Don R:

> I have done some "research" on Harry's questions about the strange 2/3
> pages published in the new "Pertwillaby Papers" hardback...

Thanks for the explanation! So I *do* need those two pages in their complete
form! You're saying they are not interesting, but that's not the point. I'm
a collector of your stories. And I'm an indexer. I need to have things
complete. (It's a disease, I know.)

Maybe, in the future, there will be a "Don Rosa part 3", with *all* your
other non-Disney and pseudo-Disney artwork in it. I'm sure that fills
another 200 pages easily...

--Harry.
Fluks, H.W.
Armando:

> "Zio Paperone" also published all of Jippes' 10-pagers, and
> most of the
> stories both written and drawn by Milton (8 out of 12). I
> must admit that I
> don't like Milton's drawing style that much... even though
> I'd be curious to see his "Big Sneeze" 31-page story.

The Big Sneeze story is one that he re-drew in 1979 or so. His style was
still very influenced by Jippes.
The other Milton-only stories were from some years later, after Jippes left
the continent. Milton got more his own style, which is OK in most cases, but
not perfect.

On the other hand, Milton's (non-Disney) Gnuff stories are really a treat.
Both stories and artwork are very good. Highly recommended!

--Harry.
Fluks, H.W.
Favio "Thierry" (?):

> Record in France is AFAIK 9 publications, for "The Magic
> Hourglass" and "Luck of the North". But, both include a
> Belgian Mickey Mouse reprint.

Ah, but Belgium doesn't count! In that case, I should also add the Belgian
reprints in the Dutch language to my figures.

> BUT 11 still
> is a very high number, which I think has to do with the
> tradition in your country.

The main reason for that particular (Fireman) story to be reprinted that
often, is that it was the *first* story printed in Holland.

--Harry.
Fluks, H.W.
WL Lilly:

> Can anybody give me any details
> about the book " How To Read Donald Duck " ( I think
> that that was its title . ) , since we're talking
> about anti-Disney writings - a book published in the
> 1970s .

1971, I think. Original from Chile, written by Dorfman and Mattelart.
English translation by David Kunzle.
I have no information about publishers or availability, and I can't find it
on the Web...

--Harry.
(Who read that book in a public library, years ago)
ODD BJARNE POULSEN
In Denmark, I believe, most Italian stories are printed in what we call "Jumbob?ger", some kind of pocket books. I never read very many of them, and mostly the old ones - = before "Italian writers, I gues...
I have seen some, though, great Italian drawings - as far as I remember, the story wasn't special, but the drawings were Ok, and the colouring was amazing.
Olaf wrote something like he has to decide whether the stories/characters fit into "his" duck-universe.
I enjoy reading duckstories, even if they're not Don Rosa's/Barks' - so I guess I have two Duckworlds... 1) The one that allows me to have alotta fun with a lotta books to check facts - or just enjoy great art = Don Rosa & Barks - and 2) The Duckworld that allows me to relaX - just read, have fun, and not look for hidden DUCK's, Mickeys etc...
I prefer the first one - but since I cannot read Don Rosa & Barks ALL the time, I'll "have to" look at the others too...
That also gives me/us a chance to copare styles, stories etc...
And Olaf, since you want to write stories: It can be very important, I believe, to know WHY one do not want to write like the Italians...

/99E
Olivier
Angelo Totti:
>>your site is not interesting enough to steal
Don's site is great. If you don't like it, fine. Nobody has to like everything.
But no point getting insulting & personal.
Acknowledge your having pulled out the plug & the pages.
But you latest message shows you're not getting the point.
(So that I wonder why you even deleted everything, since you allegedly don't care)

>>>When Mr. Totti steals a person's work, he steals that person's livelihood.
>No. The sites I used don't make the living of anyone.
But it was their *lives*. What they spent hours working one just ofr the fun of it
and the pleasure of sharing it with total stranger who share the same interest and
thereby become friends.

>>But they still will be done, even if anyone can use
>>the work. Because lots of people just have nothing else to do.
Hey!
We're not sitting idle at our computers all day long! We *work*!
I could certainly use the time I spend replying you or scanning
& cleaning up images doing what others would deem "more important things".
But-- well, I just said it supra...

>>The #%$?~@!? people are not those who use the works of
>>others but the ones who harass others because they steal their texts or images.
Sadly a common thing nowadays: the victims are accused of tormenting the offenders...
And again: "steal".
So you really, definitely, proudly claim you *are* a thief, a pirate and so forth?

>>You make something publicly available and then pretend to keep
>>an absolute full control on it. I say that is stupid on the Internet.
Again, totally besides the point.
The problem is not "quoting".
The problem is making visitors believe you're the author of things you've simply stolen.

>>I reserve me the right of using any information I can
>>find on the Internet anywhere, without mentioning my sources.
If it's just writing a text like "X was born on ... worked for Y for Z years..." using information
you've gathered everywhere, that's fine and even better if you link to the sources somewhere.
But you *cannot* steal a whole text and put your name at the bottom.

>>Who cares about the name of the person who originally scanned an image?
Ah! Couldn't care less if you steal my scans and post them on your site.
The real credit goes to the author of the picture scanned.

Say, why don't you erase the names of Barks and Rosa and Disney at the bottom
and write yours and try to make people believe *you're* the genius?

Oh. I know.

A big company might just sue you for your back teeth...
Fluks, H.W.
Fernando asked:

> Subject: Who around here...
> ...is a fan of the brazilan []stories?!

Very few Brazilian stories were printed in Holland. And their quality varies
from very bad to very good (like I think is the case with stories from any
other country!).

One of the stories I like most is B 910348, the 40-page "horror" story.

The Brazilian stories that were translated into English and available on the
Web are usually very good. But the "Brazilian world" has become very
different from other countries, so it takes some time to get used to that.

--Harry.
Francesco Spreafico
From: "Olivier" <mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr>

> If it's just writing a text like "X was born on ... worked for Y for Z
years..." using information
> you've gathered everywhere, that's fine and even better if you link to
the sources somewhere.

Yes... for example I felt somewhat unconfortable when I wrote a short
biography of Scarpa for the Internet movie database... all I know about
Scarpa's life I read somewhere; of course I have, how else could I know?
But still there is no way to credit generic sources on the IMDB site and I
felt VERY unconfortable about that. I wound up linking that IMDB page on my
site and stating there that all I know I've learned from [see bibliography
on the site], but to be honest I still feel unconforable... and I did not
copy one single line, just trying to remember stuff without checking,
afraid that that way I'd be tempted to copy some sentence. (I just checked
the dates, later)
I think I've managed, and I've also managed in put my main source (The Blue
Book) in the publicity section of the IMDB Scarpa site.
(Strange enough, they seem to reject the link to Eta's "Last Balaboo's"
site; I've submitted it three times for their link section and still it's
not there)

BTW the page is http://us.imdb.com/Name?Scarpa,+Romano
Most of the info I've submitted myself (all but the "Fourth King"), and
some are certainly not precise ("animation director" for "The Adventure of
MArco & Gina"? Why on earth did I submit that??), I hope I'll be soon able
to make corrections, with the new book about Scarpa being published next
week.

Geez I'm noticing now that they just added new stuff in the publicity
section, they're a bit slow but good! :-)

--
Sprea
http://digilander.iol.it/sgrizzo (Scarpa)
http://heinlein.cjb.net (RAH)
Olivier
Thanks for the info about Rumpus' later user, Olaf!

Fabio:
>>an advice... use uncrompessed format like BMP; the JPG format create error
>>diffusion. In alternative use professional software like as Photoshop, CorelDraw, ecc.
I know it, but thanks anyway.
Well, I partly discussed it in the previous mail, before reading yours.
I understand you're pretty much into this, so the following is rather intended for other
list members. I'm not a professional, and don't pretend to give lessons to anyone.
The following is based on my experience and may help readers unfamiliar with computer
images understand what we're talking about.
bmp: Great for drawings. The basic way to code images. And the hugest files...
jpg: Great for photos. Compresses them. Provided it's not a picture of one simple object
and a very simple background, the compression won't alter your image-- I mean, it
certainly does, but you don't see it unless you focus on the details & sharpness.
gif: Less colors than jpg, but can still take more space. But great for b&w images.
antialias: Computer images are pixels. A line becomes a stair. To smoothen the effect,
anti-alias adds adjacent pixels of a lighter / darker color. It also happens
when the image is compressed and opened again or when you rotate it.

Super Picsou G?ant:
I can't tell exactly (should have a look at those I have), but it's been years since I last
bought one (well at that time it was my mommy who bought them... I don't know why, but
it's Le Journal de Mickey, Picsou Magazine, Mickey Parade, or Mickey Poche which I still
have most issues of)!
Well, this afternoon I bought SPG 102 (April 2001)!
194 pages of comics & games.
I just got to thumb through it (nope, not at the hairdresser's, in a supermarket). Actually, it
didn't take much thumbing through to decide to buy it: pp 4 & 5 (first page of the first story)
were enough.
The story is "Donald Quichotte". No story code, no name.
I don't know it and haven't had time to read it yet, but immediately recognized the art.
I like the stories this artist does. He's on the list I told you I wanted to enquire about.
I have two great story by him in my oldest Mickey Parade (can't put my hand on it right now;
it must be '85 or perhaps '82; the one with an orange cover, Donald with his hand on a sword
and a laughing dragon in the background), inspired from German legends-- the Niebelungen,
the Gold of the Rhine, Siegried. Does this sound familiar? (not the legend, the comic)
38-p story. Don't want to look at it too much before reading it but thumbinh through it
half-looking at it with one half-open eye, I can see Donald, Scrooge and the nephews-- and Goofy!
Anyone knows who the artist is?
There's also another great story (different artist) I am fond of, very loosely based on the Illiad:
Gladstone steals Uncle Scrooge's magic chessboard: you put one rice seed (?) on the first
case, and it multiplies on the 63 others; on each case x appear 2^n grains (?) (what's the word
for one rice thing?) (From a Chinese story: it's the reward a wise man asked the emperor; the latter
thought it would amount to a mere bagful; but the total amount is astronomical). Scrooge
convinces Donald to help him chase the thief; in fact, Donald thinks Gladstone kidnapped Daisy.
And there was Goofy in this story too. Rings a bell? I'll look for the story codes.

Fabio & David:
I love Gottfredson & Taliaferro as much as Barks & Don Rosa.
Mickey has evolved quite a lot through the hands / pens of the different script writers,
and I like them all about equally, but I do have a preference for the Walsh period, what with
its weird characters (in terms of characterization & art) and its imaginative plots
and spooky encounters (he literally met real ghosts).
(And to link this with the ducks:)
I love the first part of "House of Haunts" (U$ 63, May '66) when Uncle Scrooge believes
he's a ghost. I really regret it only lasts 2 pages: it was such a great plot idea!

Back to work before going to bed...

Olivier
Francesco Spreafico
From: "Olivier" <mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr>

> The story is "Donald Quichotte". No story code, no name.
...
> Anyone knows who the artist is?

Pier Lorenzo de Vita, father of Massimo De Vita.
The entries in the FSB for this story resume in:

I TL 137-A (25-04-1956)
I TL 138-A (10-05-1956)
I TL 139-A (25-05-1956)
Paperino Don Chisciotte
/Martina/PLdV/
41+19+21//Paperino;
[parody: Don Chisciotte (M. Cervantes)]
[Italian reprints: CWD 1, CD 3, LGPD 2, V 04]

> There's also another great story (different artist) I am fond of, very
loosely based on
> the Illiad:
> And there was Goofy in this story too. Rings a bell? I'll look for the
story codes.

Sure, that's Luciano Bottaro, let's see the codes in the FSB:

I TL 202-A (10-01-1959)
I TL 203-A (25-01-1959)
I TL 204-A (10-02-1959)
Paperiade
/Martina/Bottaro/
31+25+27//; Paperino, QQQ, Paperina, Gastone, Zio Paperone, Bassotti,
Archimede, Capitan Uncino
[parody: Iliade (Omero)]
[Italian reprints: CWD 8, CD 19, LGPD 13, V 04]

Marco, we have to xapp Goofy ;-)
Anders Christian Sivebaek
Hi
Somewhat interesting dcml this one

> Fra: Angelo Toti <donald313us at yahoo.com>
Trying to move down to a level of intelligence I hope
I'm normally not on. Nyah nyah! Who can't spell his
own last name??

> My name is Totti.
Someone ought to tell you how to chnge your info at
your yahoo-adress then. Not me, though.

> Just call me Angelo, I don't like this "Mr."
> thingie.
You call someone Mr. if you want to honnor, them, or
in this case if you don't want to, if you want to put
a distance, to thingie like yourself.

> Anyone can simply come along and take it, that's
> right. If nobody did, that's not because of
> copyright
> laws, but because your site is not interesting
> enough
> to steal.
You still work with the term of stealing. Do you
believe in anything? The law (In Italy?), the Bibl?e
anything? anarchism?

> I have lots of doubts BTW that you can
> feed your children with advertissments placed on
your
> site.
Don is a wrtier of brilliant duck and mice stories. a
new story came out this week, which will continue in
the next. And it might be hard to feed children on the
pay you get from disney/egmont.

> >When Mr. Totti steals a person's work, he steals
> that
> person's livelihood.
> No. The sites I used don't make the living of
> anyone.
No? But it certainly is a great part of my life. This
ridcoulous interest I suffer from, and you aren't
going to destroy via your stealing.

> But they still will be done, even if anyone can use
> the work. Because lots of people just have nothing
> else to do.
You have nothing else to do than to steal? How about
making that new page. I still want to see it.

> The #%$?~@!?
Please don't swear here, and not like that or in any
way.

> people are not those who use the works
> of
> others but the ones who harass others because they
> steal their texts or images.
others others others. YOu are one of the stealing guys
in this game, you're the one with no sympathy.

> Just because you wrote one line of text one day you
> want everyone to keep asking you forever for
> permission of using that line of text. You make
> something publicly available and then pretend to
> keep an absolute full control on it. I say that is
stupid on the Internet.
On the internet maybe, but companies still try to do
so. One line of text is underestimating anyway. And
all the pages you copied are not one scanned drawing,
but many hours of work.

> I reserve me the right of using any information I
> can
> find on the Internet anywhere, without mentioning my
> sources. Who cares about the name of the person who
> originally scanned an image?
I do. And I'm beginning not to to care one bit about
you.

> The internet will always be a big mess where you can
> find
> pirated softwares, copyrighted music, games (to name
> the three most populars)
> etc. for free. That is not extravagant, that is the
> truth.
Yes, and it's somehow sad.

On one hand I would have liked to ask you, if you read
duck comics, what's your favorite Barks or Rosa and so
on.
On the other hand I agree with this:

Sprea:
> "I reserve me" the right to ask for the owner of the
> list (Harry? Per?) to
> throw this guy the hell out of here, thanks.
Kick him all the way to Goosetown and the moon to make
one slightly reference.

Sorry to bother you. I wont react to anything more
from Mr Toti.

AC

=====
Anders Christian Sivebaek
acsive at yahoo.com

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Francesco Spreafico
From: "Anders Christian Sivebaek" <acsive at yahoo.com>

> Sorry to bother you. I wont react to anything more
> from Mr Toti.

And maybe this is the right attitude after all... who cares? So much the
worse for him, let's go back to mucks and dice... er-.. ducks and mice that
is ;-)

--
Sprea
Donald Markstein
Apostolis Trikourakis:

Copyright laws generally allow what is called "Fair Use" -- that is, short
quotes for purposes of review or illustration. Thus, if you write something
ABOUT Disney, an ORIGINAL composition OF YOUR OWN, you are allowed to use a
limited amount of Disney material to illustrate it without violating or
damaging Disney's copyright. Exactly how much is open to interpretation by
the courts -- but it does NOT mean anyone is allowed to copy your work in
its entirety, verbatim.

Also, people who take the point of view that the Internet is not a part of
what you call the "real world" are increasingly finding that the real world
can reach out and stop them. There ARE rules. The fact that it is easy to
steal does not make it right, any more than it is permissible to steal
something that a person left in his front yard. The fact that Mr. Totti
thinks he can flout the rules with impunity does not negate the fact that
the rules exist, and can be used to shut him down.

Yes, it is a matter of respect. But it is also a matter of right and
wrong -- and of legally enforceable rights.

Quack, Don

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Donald Markstein
Olivier:

> Say, why don't you erase the names of Barks and Rosa and Disney at the
bottom
> and write yours and try to make people believe *you're* the genius?
>
> Oh. I know.
>
> A big company might just sue you for your back teeth...

Got a big grin out of that Barksism -- even bigger, since I used the same
one just a few weeks ago. A contractor working on my ceilings had spewed
plaster droplets on lampshades, shoes and other inappropriate places, before
getting to my office. So there I was, glaring at him through crimson
eyeballs, smoke pouring out of my ears, telling him through clenched teeth
that if he got one tiny molecule of the stuff on the beautiful office
furniture I inherited from my father, I was going to sue him for his back
teeth...

He got the point.

I use Barksisms in everyday life all the time, such as "Of all the things I
DON"T need, [fill in useless item] is the MOST!" And I'm not the only one in
my family. One of my favorite stories of that kind happened when my
daughter, Karen, was about 5 or so (she's now 17, and still savors good
wordplay). I'd been reading Uncle Scrooge to her at bedtime. She responded
to some incredible sight with "Oh, my aching eyeballs!" Everybody laughed,
but I was the only one who knew where she got it.

Aside from being an excellent artist and storyteller, Barks could really
turn a phrase. Who else uses stuff like that?

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